Scouts Thoughts/Quotes on this years class

[kingJofNYC]

Scouts thoughts on prospects. (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/draft-outlook-es4aae2-140451293.html)

Kind of trashed Upshaw.

[ddaryl]

very weak in the upper half for OLB and DE's according to this article, and matches what we've been hearing from others.

This draft screams trade back if possible.. I don't see many teams being in a hurry to move up though

[JCBills]

very weak in the upper half for OLB and DE's according to this article, and matches what we've been hearing from others.

This draft screams trade back if possible.. I don't see many teams being in a hurry to move up though

Cincy to grab Trent Richardson and complete their offensive big 3?

I'd love for them to move back this year also.

[Ed]

Unless Coples is there at #10 I just can't see the Bills going with another pass rusher. There just seem to be too many weaknesses and questions with Ingram and Upshaw to be worthy of a top 10 pick.

[stuckincincy]

Scouts thoughts on prospects. (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/draft-outlook-es4aae2-140451293.html)

Kind of trashed Upshaw.

Thanks for the link!

It's always informative to read opinions from those that follow other clubs.

[better days]

very weak in the upper half for OLB and DE's according to this article, and matches what we've been hearing from others.

This draft screams trade back if possible.. I don't see many teams being in a hurry to move up though

Well, I just heard Todd McShay say that he thinks Ingram will be a top 10 pick. I would still like the Bills to take Upshaw or Ingram if Coples is gone at 10.

[JCBills]

Unless Coples is there at #10 I just can't see the Bills going with another pass rusher. There just seem to be too many weaknesses and questions with Ingram and Upshaw to be worthy of a top 10 pick.

Even if Coples is there I'm so shaky on him.

He should have been much more productive than he was. I know the whole preseason turmoil ordeal, but that shouldn't make them lose it on the field. If it does, you have to question their ability to deal with adversity.

Unless a guy seems to be a lock for 10 sacks a year, I don't think they are worth a top 10 pick. Yeah, he offers more against the run, but I still saw him get washed out more than he should during a mediocre senior bowl game.

[JCBills]

Don't get me wrong either, I was clammoring for a pass rusher while just about everyone was kicking and screaming for an OT.

Since Schobel left, we have had the need.

That being said, I'd still like to see them get solid value and address that need. Trying to move back might allow that.

[ddaryl]

Well, I just heard Todd McShay say that he thinks Ingram will be a top 10 pick. I would still like the Bills to take Upshaw or Ingram if Coples is gone at 10.

comparing this top 10 DL talent with other years and this crop is weaker.

maybe they do go top 10, but nobody is really foaming at the mouth for these guys

[JCBills]

comparing this top 10 DL talent with other years and this crop is weaker.

maybe they do go top 10, but nobody is really foaming at the mouth for these guys

I'd rather take a shot on Vinny Curry, Cam Johnson, Andre Branch, and so on before drafting a big question mark at #10.

Even if they move back a few spots and take a question mark I'll feel better.

[DraftBoy]

I'd rather take a shot on Vinny Curry, Cam Johnson, Andre Branch, and so on before drafting a big question mark at #10.

Even if they move back a few spots and take a question mark I'll feel better.

One name and its all I'm going to say at this point: Nick Perry, and this has little to do with his combine workout from yesterday.

[JCBills]

One name and its all I'm going to say at this point: Nick Perry, and this has little to do with his combine workout from yesterday.

I know, I've had him at #10 on my mock for a while now with Kirkpatrick as an alternate.

I didn't bring it up much because he wasn't from UNC or Alabama or any SEC school, so nobody else would have really discussed him.

I do like that he showed up at 271 lbs if I'm going to mention the workout at all.

That's honestly the DE I would feel most comfortable with at #10. He looks like he could end up a 10 sack a year guy and brings something against the run as well.

[Ed]

Even if Coples is there I'm so shaky on him.

He should have been much more productive than he was. I know the whole preseason turmoil ordeal, but that shouldn't make them lose it on the field. If it does, you have to question their ability to deal with adversity.

Unless a guy seems to be a lock for 10 sacks a year, I don't think they are worth a top 10 pick. Yeah, he offers more against the run, but I still saw him get washed out more than he should during a mediocre senior bowl game.
Fair enough, I just have a feeling that the Bills really like him and wouldn't hesitate to grab him. They seemed to spend a lot of time at UNC this year and based on comments from Nix and Gailey, Coples seems to fit the mold of what they're looking for the best. Chris Brown has also talked up Coples a lot as far as being the top pass rusher and probably gone before #10.

[JCBills]

Though he did have quite a workout.

[JCBills]

Fair enough, I just have a feeling that the Bills really like him and wouldn't hesitate to grab him. They seemed to spend a lot of time at UNC this year and based on comments from Nix and Gailey, Coples seems to fit the mold of what they're looking for the best. Chris Brown has also talked up Coples a lot as far as being the top pass rusher and probably gone before #10.

Chris Brown gets giddy over whoever every year.

Yeah, he fits the mold, but again should have been more than he was.

UNC has tons of prospects for them to go see. I'm hoping they were there for Zach Brown and Dwight Jones.

The guys I listed and more also fit the mold. If you're looking for REs, they might fit it better.

[better days]

I know, I've had him at #10 on my mock for a while now with Kirkpatrick as an alternate.

I didn't bring it up much because he wasn't from UNC or Alabama or any SEC school, so nobody else would have really discussed him.

I do like that he showed up at 271 lbs if I'm going to mention the workout at all.

That's honestly the DE I would feel most comfortable with at #10. He looks like he could end up a 10 sack a year guy and brings something against the run as well.

Well, I'm not a fan of Buffalo drafting players from the west coast, but Perry is from Michigan so I would be fine if the Bills think he is the guy.

[ddaryl]

One name and its all I'm going to say at this point: Nick Perry, and this has little to do with his combine workout from yesterday.

and this supports the move back a few spots scenario if possible

Or at least at this time it appears he is a mid to late 1st round talent.

[JCBills]

Well, I'm not a fan of Buffalo drafting players from the west coast, but Perry is from Michigan so I would be fine if the Bills think he is the guy.

Where they are from shouldn't matter.

[Mski]

and this supports the move back a few spots scenario if possible

Or at least at this time it appears he is a mid to late 1st round talent.there's always one big problem with the "move back a few spots" idea... it takes two to tango, and there needs to be someone available at 10 that a team in the teens wants, and doesnt think they'll get a chance to take him at their spot, and with that being said that person is probably someone the bills should consider.

[ddaryl]

there's always one big problem with the "move back a few spots" idea... it takes two to tango, and there needs to be someone available at 10 that a team in the teens wants, .

I covered that with the phrase "if possible"

but yes I agree., however value for us seems to be trade back IMO, unless one of the top 2 OT's falls to us.

I'm sure Nix will be listening to all options

[kingJofNYC]

Nix kind of dogged Coples in that precombine interview with Brown.

Buddy felt he was talented but didn't always play up to his level of talent, isn't consistent. If he puts it together he could be a great player for years, if not he's going to be a big bust. Buddy's words not mine.

I like Perry, but at 10 I don't know. Kirkpatrick has boom/bust written all over him too. I see a lot of Clements in him though.

Maybe someone gets desperate for Tannehill and wants to move up. These fools won't trade down anyway.

Gilmore's a good corner too, as is Jenkins but the dude is a mess off the field.

[Bert102176]

like I have been saying none of the DL players should be drafted before #15they are not top 15 pick worthy

[kingJofNYC]

If we didn't have all these holes to fill we could afford to take a risk on some of these guys, but we just need a solid starter.

That's what it's come to, we've ****ed up so many first rounders that we can't afford to take any risks, like the Giants did with JPP.

[EDS]

If we didn't have all these holes to fill we could afford to take a risk on some of these guys, but we just need a solid starter.

That's what it's come to, we've ****ed up so many first rounders that we can't afford to take any risks, like the Giants did with JPP.

Who at #10 is not a risk?

[kingJofNYC]

Who at #10 is not a risk?

DeCastro (don't need a guard), Blackmon, Kuechly (even though DB hates him), Hightower (doesn't really fit our scheme), Wright, Gilmore.

Think those guys are the safest players with the best probability of actually being available at 10.

Gilmore may not have Kirkpatrick's ceiling but I think his floor is higher.

Edit: I'd probably throw Perry in there along with Reiff. Richardson but we don't need a back.

[Bangarang]

So Upshaw scored a 9 on the Wonderlic?

[stuckincincy]

Cincy to grab Trent Richardson and complete their offensive big 3?

I'd love for them to move back this year also.

The vibes I get here is that they have the hots for local boy Isiah Pead, 3rd round. They certainly need a rb - Benson is just ok, back-up Scott is hot 'n cold - mostly cold. Brian Leonard is a 3rd down specialist.

The owner has a history of grabbing flash rbs, but with OAK's #17, I don't think Richardson is on their board, if he lasts that long.

Ya never know, of course - but I think it's pretty solid that CB and G are what they look for in the 1st with their #17 and #21.

[better days]

DeCastro (don't need a guard), Blackmon, Kuechly (even though DB hates him), Hightower (doesn't really fit our scheme), Wright, Gilmore.

Think those guys are the safest players with the best probability of actually being available at 10.

Gilmore may not have Kirkpatrick's ceiling but I think his floor is higher.

Edit: I'd probably throw Perry in there along with Reiff. Richardson but we don't need a back.

it would be STUPID to take a guard at #10 anyway. Both Upshaw & Ingram have been mocked to go in the top 10 by different people. I still think the Bills take a defensive player at #10 myself & I will be happy about it.

[JCBills]

The vibes I get here is that they have the hots for local boy Isiah Pead, 3rd round. They certainly need a rb - Benson is just ok, back-up Scott is hot 'n cold - mostly cold. Brian Leonard is a 3rd down specialist.

The owner has a history of grabbing flash rbs, but with OAK's #17, I don't think Richardson is on their board, if he lasts that long.

Ya never know, of course - but I think it's pretty solid that CB and G are what they look for in the 1st with their #17 and #21.

I think they could be tempted. Richardson is a top 10 talent, do-it-all back. They would solidify the run game and give Dalton another weapon and something to keep defenses honest.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/28/2830750/nfl-general-manager-cincinnati-would-be-scary-with-running-back-trent

I'd have my hand over the phone ready to answer. #10 for #17 or #21 + 2nd rounder and mid late 2012 or mid 2013 pick. Grab Perry and then have 10 or so more picks? No-brainer.

[kingJofNYC]

it would be STUPID to take a guard at #10 anyway. Both Upshaw & Ingram have been mocked to go in the top 10 by different people. I still think the Bills take a defensive player at #10 myself & I will be happy about it.
I think they're going to take a defensive player as well. Between the two, I'd rather have Ingram. Seems like a better pass rusher, more moves and quickness, not sure about his run D though.

You know they won't trade down, it makes too much sense!

[better days]

I think they're going to take a defensive player as well. Between the two, I'd rather have Ingram. Seems like a better pass rusher, more moves and quickness, not sure about his run D though.

You know they won't trade down, it makes too much sense!

I would not mind if they traded down a few spots, but unless they got picks in next years draft as well, like a first or second, I would not want to see them drop too low.

On the other hand, if a team at the bottom of the 1st offered their 1st next year as well as their 1st this year, it could be what is needed to get a QB next year.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Scouts thoughts on prospects. (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/draft-outlook-es4aae2-140451293.html)

Kind of trashed Upshaw. Riley Reiff might be an option at 10 assuming he is still there. I keep hearing and reading a lot of positive things about him. JMO

[TigerJ]

I suspect that after a fairly poor combine, Upshaw is going to drop out of the top 10 in the thinking of most observers. I don't expect to see him going to the Bills in nearly as many mocks as we have to this point. A trade down is looking more attractive for the Bills, but they would have to find someone with a motive to move up. Unfortunately, there aren't that many players who create the kind of interest that RGIII is creating for St. Louis in a possible trade scenario.

[better days]

I suspect that after a fairly poor combine, Upshaw is going to drop out of the top 10 in the thinking of most observers. I don't expect to see him going to the Bills in nearly as many mocks as we have to this point. A trade down is looking more attractive for the Bills, but they would have to find someone with a motive to move up. Unfortunately, there aren't that many players who create the kind of interest that RGIII is creating for St. Louis in a possible trade scenario.

I just heard John Clayton say Upshaw looked good at the combine.

[DraftBoy]

DeCastro (don't need a guard), Blackmon, Kuechly (even though DB hates him), Hightower (doesn't really fit our scheme), Wright, Gilmore.

Think those guys are the safest players with the best probability of actually being available at 10.

Gilmore may not have Kirkpatrick's ceiling but I think his floor is higher.

Edit: I'd probably throw Perry in there along with Reiff. Richardson but we don't need a back.

I dont hate Kuechly. I just dont rate him as a first rounder.

[DraftBoy]

I just heard John Clayton say Upshaw looked good at the combine.

Have to wonder about what the hell Clayton is talking about. Upshaw did 9 bench reps and didn't run at all. Also had just meh as far as broad and vertical jump.

[methos4ever]

Have to wonder about what the hell Clayton is talking about. Upshaw did 9 bench reps and didn't run at all. Also had just meh as far as broad and vertical jump.
Upshaw did 22 didn't he DB?

[Mski]

Have to wonder about what the hell Clayton is talking about. Upshaw did 9 bench reps and didn't run at all. Also had just meh as far as broad and vertical jump.saving himself for his pro day? i cant imagine he'd only be able to do 9

[DraftBoy]

Upshaw did 22 didn't he DB?
Yes can read my own stupid spreadsheet. Hand size is 9".

[methos4ever]

Yes can read my own stupid spreadsheet. Hand size is 9".
No worries, happens to the best of us.

[nolimit]

wow..the one scout's opinion on RGIII is fascinating...basically thinks he is trash.