We are trading down

[Lefty2985]

Nix said last year teams won't ask to trade with them in time because they won't trade their pick but this year he said if we trade it'll be down not up. Completely different tune from last year.

[JCBills]

Sweet.

I wouldn't say that means we are or aren't doing anything, but I'd like to see them move back and get more picks.

[justasportsfan]

NIx is playing with your head.

[Forward_Lateral]

If the Bills could move down 5-10 spots and gain an extra 2nd rounder out of it, ***** A Buddy.

[ddaryl]

If we have a dance partner, and nobody of real interest falls to us then by all means trade back.

nix loves the value in the mid rounds of this draft so the idea meshes with what he has already been saying.

I like the idea as well

[JCBills]

If the Bills could move down 5-10 spots and gain an extra 2nd rounder out of it, ***** A Buddy.

Cincy with #17 and #21 might be in the mix?

[Extremebillsfan247]

Nix said last year teams won't ask to trade with them in time because they won't trade their pick but this year he said if we trade it'll be down not up. Completely different tune from last year.
In reality it isn't anything different from the things he's said the previous 2 years. He's always open to trading to gain more picks. He just doesn't believe in giving up picks to get a prospect.

However, he wont just trade out of 10 because he can. If there is a player there that the Bills like, Nix is drafting him. He will only trade out if he feels the Bills will reap maximum benefit. Added draft picks would only be a part of that. JMO

[Ickybaluky]

Cincy with #17 and #21 might be in the mix?

Cincinnati, under Mike Brown's ownership, has been one of the most conservative drafters in the NFL. They almost always stay at home. The last time they made a deal was the 2004 NFL draft, when they traded down in the 1st round. I don't know if they have ever traded up since Mike Brown has owned the team.

The idea the Bengals are going to suddenly become risk-takers is so unlikely as to be near-impossible. The most likely scenario is they are going to stay at home and make their picks when they come up, because that is what they do every year.

[JCBills]

Cincinnati, under Mike Brown's ownership, has been one of the most conservative drafters in the NFL. They almost always stay at home. The last time they made a deal was the 2004 NFL draft, when they traded down in the 1st round. I don't know if they have ever traded up since Mike Brown has owned the team.

The idea the Bengals are going to suddenly become risk-takers is so unlikely as to be near-impossible. The most likely scenario is they are going to stay at home and make their picks when they come up, because that is what they do every year.

Just throwing it out there, no need to get all huffy-puffy over the history of the NFL.

With them rebounding from rebuilding faster than expected, I don't think they, or any team would take trading off the table, especially with the new rookie contract structures and the regained ability to add players.

[Ickybaluky]

Just throwing it out there, no need to get all huffy-puffy over the history of the NFL.

With them rebounding from rebuilding faster than expected, I don't think they, or any team would take trading off the table, especially with the new rookie contract structures and the regained ability to add players.

"huffy-puffy"? Admittedly, I have no clue what that is but don't think of it as descriptive of what I am.

I was just adding to the thread. Cincinnati is not a realistic trade possibility, especially trading up.

I don't think Buffalo would want to trade that far down anyway. Maybe Seattle at #12 would be a partner, they are an aggressive team when targeting a player. If someone they like is there, they will go after him. Dallas at #14 and Philly at #15 are also teams that have shown they are willing to deal to get a player.

[Ed]

"huffy-puffy"? Admittedly, I have no clue what that is but don't think of it as descriptive of what I am.

I was just adding to the thread. Cincinnati is not a realistic trade possibility, especially trading up.

I don't think Buffalo would want to trade that far down anyway. Maybe Seattle at #12 would be a partner, they are an aggressive team when targeting a player. If someone they like is there, they will go after him. Dallas at #14 and Philly at #15 are also teams that have shown they are willing to deal to get a player.
Maybe Cincy doesn't normally trade up, but they also don't normally have a playoff-caliber team and extra picks. They get more picks next year also for the Palmer trade. If they're ever going to make a trade up, now would be the time. They have the ammo and the incentive. And if they have the chance to add a dynamic impact player like Trent Richardson to go with Dalton and AJ Green, then why not try to make a move? They could trade up from #17 and still keep their other first round pick. Maybe they don't want to trade, but I wouldn't rule it out as unrealistic.

[Ed]

And to add to that, keep in mind that with the new rookie salary structure, trading up is a lot more appealing now then compared to the last 10 years when top 10 rookie salaries were out of control.

[stuckincincy]

Cincinnati, under Mike Brown's ownership, has been one of the most conservative drafters in the NFL. They almost always stay at home. The last time they made a deal was the 2004 NFL draft, when they traded down in the 1st round. I don't know if they have ever traded up since Mike Brown has owned the team.

The idea the Bengals are going to suddenly become risk-takers is so unlikely as to be near-impossible. The most likely scenario is they are going to stay at home and make their picks when they come up, because that is what they do every year.

The star-crossed Ki-Jana Carter, 1995.

But yes - when they do trade, they usually trade down.

Brown, BTW, refused Ditka's offer of the entire NO draft overriding a livid HC Bruce Coslet (IIRC, WAS took the bait) for Ricky Williams, preferring to draft Akili Smith.

[PTI]

If they can trade down and no one else behind them takes Tanehill I am in, if we trade down I would go for the QB then.

[PTI]

The star-crossed Ki-Jana Carter, 1995.

But yes - when they do trade, they usually trade down.

Brown, BTW, refused Ditka's offer of the entire NO draft overriding a livid HC Bruce Coslet (IIRC, WAS took the bait) for Ricky Williams, preferring to draft Akili Smith.

I waited tables on Kijana Carter and David Shula in Hilton Head at the Soutn Seaport Cafe shortly after he was drafed. Had fun, only table of the night, like 7 people, tab was like $1200, talked sports with them, only table in the back, the manager let me have drinks with them while working (rung them up too), and they gave me a $700 tip. Man, I finished that night with like $200, I partied hard that night.

[Ickybaluky]

Maybe Cincy doesn't normally trade up, but they also don't normally have a playoff-caliber team and extra picks. They get more picks next year also for the Palmer trade. If they're ever going to make a trade up, now would be the time. They have the ammo and the incentive. And if they have the chance to add a dynamic impact player like Trent Richardson to go with Dalton and AJ Green, then why not try to make a move? They could trade up from #17 and still keep their other first round pick. Maybe they don't want to trade, but I wouldn't rule it out as unrealistic.

I think it is unrealistic.

What you say makes sense, especially when you look at Trent Richardson and their need at RB. However, Mike Brown will step in and stop it. His football people work on stuff like this and he steps in and puts a stop to it, because he is too scared to close a deal. He has done it a number of times.

[Dr. Lecter]

A team's history of not trading up is not a completely fair comparison anymore since the rookie cap went into place. I would think teams are more willing to do so now because the financial cost is not as high.

I am not saying the Bengals would do so, just that it costs much less now.

[stuckincincy]

I waited tables on Kijana Carter and David Shula in Hilton Head at the Soutn Seaport Cafe shortly after he was drafed. Had fun, only table of the night, like 7 people, tab was like $1200, talked sports with them, only table in the back, the manager let me have drinks with them while working (rung them up too), and they gave me a $700 tip. Man, I finished that night with like $200, I partied hard that night.

That's a good story.

CIN moving up for Carter was dumb - they had Harold Green (IIRC) at the time.

Sad about Carter's injuries - starting with his 1st game ever in PS.

When he did play, he was a tremendous blocker, fine speed, hands, instincts, and one of those with an uncanny nose for the end zone, like former Bills Roosevelt Leaks and WMG. I remember reading a story, that Carter bought towels for players to use at the B'gals camp - Brown wouldn't pay for them.

If he had not been cursed with injury, he would have been a real big noise in the NFL.

Klingler - very nice man, who caught the eye of Mikie and was thrown to the wolves on a terrible CIN club, same as Akili Smith.

Speaking of Smith, a one-year wonder at Oregon (he played MLB for a while), he also played on a woeful CIN club. Folks like to ridicule him - but he was as tough as nails and gave his best. I was happy to see him walk out of the league with $4M of Brown's cash.

[stuckincincy]

A team's history of not trading up is not a completely fair comparison anymore since the rookie cap went into place. I would think teams are more willing to do so now because the financial cost is not as high.

I am not saying the Bengals would do so, just that it costs much less now.


Good point.

And I can entertain them making a move for G DeCastro.

[justasportsfan]

I don't think even Nix knows what he's going to do until they've made moves in free agency.

[JCBills]

Good point.

And I can entertain them making a move for G DeCastro.

Wait, the Bills or the Bengals?

[paladin warrior]

Bills won't be part of #2 pick derby

By Chris Brown, Lead Journalist
Posted 2 hours ago


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The St. Louis Rams have been open and honest about their willingness to part with the number two overall draft pick in this year’s draft. A handful of NFL clubs in the top 10 have reportedly expressed interest already, but one of those teams will not be the Bills.
Bills GM Buddy Nix told Buffalobills.com that moving up from the 10^th overall pick to the second overall selection is a trade they won’t be making.
“It is absolute. It’s a no,” said Nix. “You’ve got to give up the farm. We’re not in that business.”
The Rams are certainly dealing from a position of strength knowing that one of the top two quarterback prospects will be available at their pick in the 2012 NFL draft. As a result there have already been reports as to what it might take to pry the pick away from St. Louis.
Most have indicated that it would require two first-round picks, along with third and fifth-round selections to get a deal done. That would be the exact terms of the 2004 draft day trade between the Giants and the Chargers for the rights to Eli Manning, who went first overall. Nix was a direct witness to that trade serving as San Diego’s Assistant GM at the time.
Picking 10^th this spring, Nix feels the Bills have an excellent opportunity to address one of their main needs.
“I think in my mind I can probably give you three areas that I think will be there at our pick,” he said. “I wouldn’t identify those because that would limit us against everybody else.”
Now entering year three of rebuilding the team, Buffalo’s GM feels the squad is closer to being a playoff contender. The Bills currently have nine picks with a pair in round four and a pair in round five, but Nix isn’t ready to push all his chips to the middle of the table for just one pick.
“Maybe if we felt we were in a situation like Atlanta was last year,” said Nix in reference to their bold move up the board to secure receiver Julio Jones. “They felt with one guy they could contend for the big dance and I can see that, but numbers are too important. Draft picks are too important to us.”

[stuckincincy]

Wait, the Bills or the Bengals?

CIN.

RG Bobbie Williams is in the twilight of a fine career, and LG Nate Livings is a fair player but so far not quite up to a starting role. He's good enough to get a roster spot on most clubs. Good man, BTW. IIRC, he's a FA.

Last year's 3rd rounder G Clint Bolling - Georgia, had 3 starts and 5 games total, but was there because of one of those odd supplement things the NFL enforces - Bobbie Williams is far from a roidhead. Quite the contrary - he's a very intelligent man and is a fine mentor and human being. I expect him to do very well in the coaching ranks when he retires.

Bolling is a work in progress, no more.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

trade this years draft AND next years draft to get Luck then trade Luck to get the second pick and someone elses draft this year and then trade for {RGIII
how awesome would that mess be! we could totally fark the NFL!{

[CleveSteve]

I think Cincy is a prime target to move up, but for #17 and their 2nd, not #17 and #21 lol. With the #11 chiefs being the first likely team to target Richardson if the Redskins get RGIII and the Bucs have Claiborne fall to them, I think Cincy would try to pounce on #10. They could still possibly get Decastro or Glenn at #21.

That said, I think it would be a great move for Buffalo to take that. They could still get Mercilus or Mike Adams or Jonathan Martin at #17 then can take a DE and an OLB in the 2nd round, where there seems to be real value.

[JCBills]

I think Cincy is a prime target to move up, but for #17 and their 2nd, not #17 and #21 lol. With the #11 chiefs being the first likely team to target Richardson if the Redskins get RGIII and the Bucs have Claiborne fall to them, I think Cincy would try to pounce on #10. They could still possibly get Decastro or Glenn at #21.

That said, I think it would be a great move for Buffalo to take that. They could still get Mercilus or Mike Adams or Jonathan Martin at #17 then can take a DE and an OLB in the 2nd round, where there seems to be real value.

Oh I didn't mean both, just saying that with 2 1sts close to each other, moving one of them is possible.

[better days]

I think Cincy is a prime target to move up, but for #17 and their 2nd, not #17 and #21 lol. With the #11 chiefs being the first likely team to target Richardson if the Redskins get RGIII and the Bucs have Claiborne fall to them, I think Cincy would try to pounce on #10. They could still possibly get Decastro or Glenn at #21.

That said, I think it would be a great move for Buffalo to take that. They could still get Mercilus or Mike Adams or Jonathan Martin at #17 then can take a DE and an OLB in the 2nd round, where there seems to be real value.

I would not want the Bills to move down to #17 for only a pick in the BOTTOM of the 2nd rnd myself. No reason to trade down unless you get something of VALUE.

The lowest I would trade down for a 2nd rnd pick is #14. At least that 2nd rnd pick would be in the top half of the 2nd rnd.

[CleveSteve]

a free starter on defense isn't something of value?

[JCBills]

I would not want the Bills to move down to #17 for only a pick in the BOTTOM of the 2nd rnd myself. No reason to trade down unless you get something of VALUE.

The lowest I would trade down for a 2nd rnd pick is #14. At least that 2nd rnd pick would be in the top half of the 2nd rnd.

Hell I would.

7 spots for an extra pick? Easy decision.

[Ed]

I would not want the Bills to move down to #17 for only a pick in the BOTTOM of the 2nd rnd myself. No reason to trade down unless you get something of VALUE.

The lowest I would trade down for a 2nd rnd pick is #14. At least that 2nd rnd pick would be in the top half of the 2nd rnd.
You're making way too much out of three spots. Whether you're picking at #46 or #49, you still have the same chance of adding a good prospect in the second round.

[dannyek71]

The only faith I have in the Bills FO is to do the dumbest, most illogical move possible.

[CleveSteve]

so Burfict in the first, then?

[justasportsfan]

The only faith I have in the Bills FO is to do the dumbest, most illogical move possible.


I agree. Drafting Dareus was stupid.

[JCBills]

I agree. Drafting Dareus was stupid.

Its almost like they would rather have things to piss and moan about than have the team be good.

[Mski]

I agree. Drafting Dareus was stupid. yup, we should have taken von miller instead :shakeno:

[kingJofNYC]

After listening to Nix today, I think it's more of a possibility than last year.

Last year, whenever the option of trading down was brought up to Buddy, he'd always dismiss it because "you don't know who's going to be there when you trade back so why take the risk."

This year he flat out said he'd like to add another pick to the 9 we already have and make it 10, trading down is an option.

[JCBills]

After listening to Nix today, I think it's more of a possibility than last year.

Last year, whenever the option of trading down was brought up to Buddy, he'd always dismiss it because "you don't know who's going to be there when you trade back so why take the risk."

This year he flat out said he'd like to add another pick to the 9 we already have and make it 10, trading down is an option.

I'd be ecstatic.

The value in the 2nd and 3rd this year should be really good. 2 picks per round in 3 rounds would be sick.

[justasportsfan]

yup, we should have taken von miller instead :shakeno:

well Von was taken before we could pick and had we drafted him ,we'd still have a hole at DT.

[CleveSteve]

yup, we should have taken von miller instead :shakeno:

no way. Newton was the pick.

[Mski]

well Von was taken before we could pick and had we drafted him ,we'd still have a hole at DT.sorry i forgot the: /sarcasm

[jamze132]

I don't think even Nix knows what he's going to do until they've made moves in free agency.
Well we better not know what we are going to do until the draft comes. Lots of things can happen with the 9 teams in front of us.