Where does Kelsay fit?

[YardRat]

One of the selling points, according to Buddy in his post-presser interview with GR55, was Williams desire to play on the left side, which the team will accomodate him.

Obviously Kyle and Dareus will man the inside.

Who's going to line up on the right side? Has Kelsay ever played on the right? I can't remember ever seeing him over there.

[zone]

He can play left right out...

[kingJofNYC]

Word, he's getting cut.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

He can play both... i would not be suprised if some edge rusher is drafted to play on 3rd down as insurance for merriman...

someone like curry or jones... im almost positive they will do that...

kelsay/merriman
williams/carrington
dareus/troup/heard
m. williams/ curry

[Mr Bills]

I'm pretty sure he played right in 08 when Schobel missed most of the year. It wass basically only him and Denney lol.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Word, he's getting cut.

according to who? that would just open up another whole...

[dannyek71]

I've heard we are going to cut Kelsay and bring back Ryan Denny.

Just when I was just starting to forget about Rd, you had to bring him back up.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

are we seriously cutting kelsay?

[dannyek71]

are we seriously cutting kelsay?


No. That mega-contract he signed is proof that he has evidence that Ralph was behind 9/11 or something.

[kingJofNYC]

according to who? that would just open up another whole...

Kelsay is a hole, you aren't winning a thing with him as a bookend. Hope we draft his replacement. Kelsay's days are numbered.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Kelsay is a hole, you aren't winning a thing with him as a bookend. Hope we draft his replacement. Kelsay's days are numbered.

i dont think a rookie will be better than him. if anything we keep kelsay and draft his replacement this year and groom him for next season...e.g. curry or jones

[BertSquirtgum]

denney was the worst of the worst

[Meathead]

wow. just freakin wow

kelsay has been one of the bills best defenders the last four seasons except during the disaster experiment at lb. every time he plays as an end he has been productive in that span. hes only making 3.5 mil this season and will outplay that amount as marios version of phil hansen. he will start and he will have his best season as a pro in that role

how can people possibly get this stupid

[NOT THE DUDE...]

wow. just freakin wow

kelsay has been one of the bills best defenders the last four seasons except during the disaster experiment at lb. every time he plays as an end he has been productive in that span. hes only making 3.5 mil this season and will outplay that amount as marios version of phil hansen. he will start and he will have his best season as a pro in that role

how can people possibly get this stupid

I agree. kelsay will play on run downs and merriman will be our situational pass rusher at rde. we will also draft another pass rusher just in case...

dont forget about kyle moore...

[Meathead]

idk wtf its going to take to get through to you people. kelsay is a valuable player who isnt getting paid even as much as he is worth. hes not a probowler but hes the next level down and would get snatched up in a second if the bills were stupid enough to release him, which they wont

its only football but this shows clearly when some people get an idea into their pea brains its virtually impossible to get it out. just like obama being muslim and not american. utterly ridiculous but somehow it just doesnt change

[Meathead]

in fact im going to go on record and predict his first probowl for kelsay. he will benefit so much from the other three studs he will look like one himself, even tho he really isnt. but he will get more attention than he ever has before and just like guys like talley and hansen who made probowls late in their careers of solid but unspectacular play, he will finally get his

[psubills62]

Where does he fit? Usually there's a few divots on the ground that are Kelsay-shaped.

[Cali512]

Sign Luis Castillo and you have mario and luigi

[Oaf]

@Meathead... what?

@ MARCELL POWER, Kelsay sucks against the run.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Kelsay is fine... he can turn the corner, hes solid vs the run and will get you 5-7 sacks if not more with super mario!

[YardRat]

I'm pretty sure he played right in 08 when Schobel missed most of the year. It wass basically only him and Denney lol.

Denney played RDE, Kelsay stayed on the left for the majority of snaps.

[YardRat]

wow. just freakin wow

kelsay has been one of the bills best defenders the last four seasons except during the disaster experiment at lb. every time he plays as an end he has been productive in that span. hes only making 3.5 mil this season and will outplay that amount as marios version of phil hansen. he will start and he will have his best season as a pro in that role

how can people possibly get this stupid

I certainly hope that wasn't directed at me in any manner for starting the thread. It's a legitimate question considering Kelsay's strength in on the left side, and the team basically assured Mario that's the side he would be lining up on.

Not every DE can bounce from side to side and maintain consistent play, and IMO it's unproven whether Kelsay has the ability to do that.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

I certainly hope that wasn't directed at me in any manner for starting the thread. It's a legitimate question considering Kelsay's strength in on the left side, and the team basically assured Mario that's the side he would be lining up on.

Not every DE can bounce from side to side and maintain consistent play, and IMO it's unproven whether Kelsay has the ability to do that.


dude, ive seen him do it... he is playing run down anyways. merriman is the pass rush specialist on 3rd down at rde

[tampabay25690]

Word, he's getting cut.

No way
5 mill cap hit then

[trapezeus]

kelsay is a "leader" vocally. which MW just said he wouldn't be. he'll be a locker room guy and the guy sitting next to the gatorade cups and be a good soldier.

[Buffalogic]

Dwan Edwards anybody?

[Beebe]

Kelsay give up that number ***ch.









THE NEW BILL.

[Meathead]

no of course ive got no prob with the question, i get mad at the haters

hes definitely played from both sides. in fact as a lb once they stopped asking him to cover it seems he came more from the right. i see no prob with him taking whatever side mario isnt

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Speaking of Schobel, any chance he wants to come out of "retirement" after this?

[TerrellOwensSharpie8]

Sign Schobel vet min situational rusher.....after all he does own Brady

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Sign Schobel vet min situational rusher.....after all he does own Brady

id rather draft curry or jones as merriman insurance and someone to develop as an edge rusher opposite mario...

[justasportsfan]

wow. just freakin wow

kelsay has been one of the bills best defenders the last four seasons except during the disaster experiment at lb. every time he plays as an end he has been productive in that span. hes only making 3.5 mil this season and will outplay that amount as marios version of phil hansen. he will start and he will have his best season as a pro in that role

how can people possibly get this stupid


Kelsay doesn't have to be the star of this DLine. He only has to set/close the edge for the other three to get to the qb which he was very good at last year.

Kelsay was not great but he didn't suck last year. Now he's back to playing his natural position as a DE in a 4-3 and people are ready to just forget that.

There's a lot to be said about continuity in terms of player familiarity and I'd rather wait and see what he can do before just jumping into conclusions that he will suck.

Let's not forget that Mario in his short career isn't exactly a Farve in terms of being able to play all season long either.

[ddaryl]

Kelsay is not going anywhere, and we still can enjoy the depth he provides. his cap hit doesn't save us anythign anyways I do believe

Although Mario insisting on playing LDE opens up the possibility that we still might draft a RDE

[Philagape]

kelsay has been one of the bills best defenders the last four seasons except during the disaster experiment at lb. every time he plays as an end he has been productive in that span.

Can you define productive? Compared to whom? The crap around him?
He's never reached six sacks in a season (average of 3.8 a year, not counting his rookie year; his average was actually higher in the 3-4). He causes 1 or 2 turnovers a year.
He doesn't make those around him better. He's just ... there.
He's the definition of mediocre.
When comparing players to the rest of the NFL, which is what we should be doing if we want to win, "productive" is someone like, say, Mario Williams.

[mysticsoto]

idk wtf its going to take to get through to you people. kelsay is a valuable player who isnt getting paid even as much as he is worth. hes not a probowler but hes the next level down and would get snatched up in a second if the bills were stupid enough to release him, which they wont

its only football but this shows clearly when some people get an idea into their pea brains its virtually impossible to get it out. just like obama being muslim and not american. utterly ridiculous but somehow it just doesnt change
Kelsay is mediocre, not great. He has improved slightly against the run, and that's basically what we need him to focus on. He will be perceived as the weak link of the Dline and no doubt OCs will try to test him and run directly at him.

I don't think he's terrible. Last yr he played reasonably well and quite frankly, since his foot surgery, he's been much better. But don't just elevate him for no reason. If he contains and holds the fort, he should be fine. If by chance we draft Coples, Kelsay can rotate in when anyone is tired and needs a break. Sorry, but among those giants, Kelsay is a boy.


in fact im going to go on record and predict his first probowl for kelsay. he will benefit so much from the other three studs he will look like one himself, even tho he really isnt. but he will get more attention than he ever has before and just like guys like talley and hansen who made probowls late in their careers of solid but unspectacular play, he will finally get his
You must still be high from yesterday's signing. I am too, but c'mon...you have to be able to tell the difference between a dream and reality.

[Meathead]

mediocre. exactly. a mediocre starting nfl defensive end. just like daryl talley was a mediocre starting nfl linebacker. just like phil hansen was a mediocre starting nfl defensive end. and hes paid a below mediocre 3.75 mil

mediocre is not bad. mediocre is average, standard, solid. thats what he is. yet some morons qualify that as sucks. mediocre does not equal sucks. mediocre is important to a team. you cant have studs at every spot or you will constantly be losing players due to salary cap, not to mention its impossible to find stud players for your whole roster. you have to have mediocre starters to round out the team and avoid sucky starters. thats what kelsay brings you. and hes an awesome team leader and ambassador. he should be appreciated for what he does and has done for this club

personally i do. the only reason he isnt recognized like daryl and phil is because he played on one of the most frustrating times in team history. hes become the scapegoat to a lot of fans and its terribly unfair. life is unfair but i choose not to participate in that kind of projection behavior

[justasportsfan]

Kelsay does a good job at being a role player. He would make great depth if anything.

[Philagape]

Talley blows away Kelsay as a playmaker. During the four SB years he had 10 interceptions and 10 forced fumbles, not to mention 482 tackles.

[Meathead]

kelsay will make a probowl the way talley and hansen did, late as an injury addition. the point is guys like that, that have been solid a very long time, are the ones that often get consideration in those situations for their consistency and not necessarily having any monster years

edit: i just looked it up and hansen never made a probowl. i coulda swore he got named to one late. but he still fits the profile im talking about. now i gotta try to remember who im thinking about that made the probowl that way

[Meathead]

um talley was a LINEBACKER ... who also played behind the best defensive end in history ... thats why he had picks and tackles. ends dont get either of those, and kelsay played on horrible teams with noone to draw the focus

[Meathead]

im not getting into a drawn out debate, ive made my point and it will remain the same forever. i watched all these guys play every game and kelsay IS hansen and talley who just happened to play during one of the worst times in team history. the rest is just emotional romanticized projection

[justasportsfan]

Kelsay sticks because of what he does in the lockerroom and always gives his 100%.

[Philagape]

um talley was a LINEBACKER ... who also played behind the best defensive end in history ... thats why he had picks and tackles. ends dont get either of those, and kelsay played on horrible teams with noone to draw the focus

You brought his name into this, not me.
Kelsay's never been the focus either; Schobel would draw more attention for most of his career. Schobel was the guy you think Kelsay is.
Ends get sacks and cause turnovers. At least the good ones do.