Pressure for Mario non-existent compared to 2006

[justasportsfan]

NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly, who was the Texans GM at the time, paints the picture.

“There was a tremendous push for Bush and Vince Young was the hometown hero,” he said. “The week of the draft there were three full page ads in the Houston Chronicle, the big newspaper down there, to draft Vince Young. One of the sponsors of the team at a rate of over $1 million a year goes on the radio and tells Texans fans to cancel their season tickets if the Texans don’t take Vince Young. So that was what it was like.”


“I never understood the negativity towards me, especially when you can’t choose as a draft pick,” said Williams. “I knew I couldn’t control what people say, so I never focused on it. I just focused on becoming a better player.”

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Pressure-for-Mario-non-existent-compared-to-2006/ee55a60a-b7ad-4071-9c85-2f486adce098

[better days]

Mario is like the ugly duckling girl in HS that blossomed into a beautiful swan after graduation. He will feel the love in Buffalo after being booed in Houston.

[Jan Reimers]

So, who's been the best player of the three, Mario, Bush or Young? Most fans, including many of us, are not the greatest talent evaluators.

[justasportsfan]

the pressure is not on Mario. It's on Nix.

[trapezeus]

i remember that draft and hearing they took mario williams. i didn't know who he was. it was hands down bush as the number 1 pick. it blew my mind.

wouldn't it be amazing if the colts did the same thing and picked some totally random guy like williams as opposed to luck or RGIII?

[jamze132]

the pressure is not on Mario. It's on Nix.
Nope. The pressure is on Fitzpatrick to hold up the offensive side of the bargain. The defense is going to be a beast. If Fitz and Co. can generate 20 points per game, we'll win 10-12.

[Historian]

Pehaps, but it will be nice to not have to score 40 points to win a game.

[justasportsfan]

Nope. The pressure is on Fitzpatrick to hold up the offensive side of the bargain. The defense is going to be a beast. If Fitz and Co. can generate 20 points per game, we'll win 10-12.
Fitz is part of decisions Nix made. His decisions have to produce in his 3rd year.

[justasportsfan]

Casserly on Mario impact

“First of all you’ll get great effort. You’ll get 100 percent out of him. That isn’t going to be an issue,” Casserly told Buffalobills.com. “Teams are going to build their offensive blocking schemes around him so that should free up opportunities for other players,” ”I think he’s going to play hard and he can play the run well, which was a major problem with the Bills, stopping people running the football. They’ve got to stop the run.

“Once they stop the run and get teams in more passing situations that’s when their pass rushers can be more productive. I think you’ll get a guy in Mario that offenses will build their game plan around and that will help everyone else. Their run defense will be improved and he’s a guy that’s capable of getting double-digit sacks for you every year.”

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2012/04/10/casserly-on-mario-impact/

[mysticsoto]

i remember that draft and hearing they took mario williams. i didn't know who he was. it was hands down bush as the number 1 pick. it blew my mind.

wouldn't it be amazing if the colts did the same thing and picked some totally random guy like williams as opposed to luck or RGIII?

I went against the grain on the whole Bush thing and agreed that Mario would be better in the long run. I was right. I feel bad for the GM of Houston who got booed (although if I remember correctly, he was leaving them anyway) - but he did the right thing!

[better days]

I went against the grain on the whole Bush thing and agreed that Mario would be better in the long run. I was right. I feel bad for the GM of Houston who got booed (although if I remember correctly, he was leaving them anyway) - but he did the right thing!

Charley Casserly Texans GM, did not leave Houston of his own accord. He was fired after the Mario Williams draft.

[mysticsoto]

Charley Casserly Texans GM, did not leave Houston of his own accord. He was fired after the Mario Williams draft.

As I remember it, he resigned, looking to get a job in the NFL office instead...

[better days]

As I remember it, he resigned, looking to get a job in the NFL office instead...

You remember it wrong. Look it up on Wiki.

[tatersalad]

Charley Casserly Texans GM, did not leave Houston of his own accord. He was fired after the Mario Williams draft.

Actually that was his last draft on his own accord, and they signed him b4 the draft.. He wasn't fired he just wasn't renewed and he is one of the better talent evaluators in the nfl

[mysticsoto]

You remember it wrong. Look it up on Wiki.


Casserly officially resigns as GM of Texans

Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou) general manager Charley Casserly resigned Wednesday, ending months of speculation that intensified in recent weeks after the team used the No. 1 pick to draft defensive end Mario Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7750).

Casserly had been with the Texans since the expansion franchise joined the league six years ago. The Texans played their first season in 2002.

"I've been in this league 29 years," Casserly said. "I spent a lot of time talking about this with my family. We came to the same conclusion -- the time was right to move on."

Casserly met with Texans owner Bob McNair on Wednesday morning, telling McNair he wanted to pursue a job in the NFL office in New York. He also met with the Texans' coaching staff and contacted Houston's scouts.

Casserly will officially step down on June 1.

"I have an interest in doing other things right now," Casserly said.
McNair said Casserly was not fired. He said he had no replacement candidates in mind.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2440274

[better days]

Actually that was his last draft on his own accord, and they signed him b4 the draft.. He wasn't fired he just wasn't renewed and he is one of the better talent evaluators in the nfl

Look it up. Casserly was FIRED after that draft. After he was fired he tried to get a job in the NFL office but did not get it & is now on NFL Network as an analyst.

[tatersalad]

I guess the post above yours says it all

[better days]

Well, the Texans may have said he was not fired but he was forced out. SAME thing, google Casserly & Texans & you will find many articles about the subject. Casserly did not leave the Texans because he WANTED to, that is the bottom line.

[better days]

I guess the post above yours says it all

Not really. Look it up.

[mysticsoto]

Well, the Texans may have said he was not fired but he was forced out. SAME thing, google Casserly & Texans & you will find many articles about the subject. Casserly did not leave the Texans because he WANTED to, that is the bottom line.
My google brought this up:


Casserly resigns as GM of Texans

Texans general manager Charley Casserly shook hands with owner Bob McNair after resigning yesterday.

The two said there was no firing and no ugly divorce at the top of the 6-year-old franchise after a 2-14 season, a coaching change, and a controversial No. 1 draft pick.

Casserly said he's leaving on his own terms to chase a job in the NFL's front office.

''I have an interest in doing other things right now," he said. ''This was not an easy decision, but it was a decision I felt I had to make at this point in time."


http://articles.boston.com/2006-05-11/sports/29241752_1_charley-casserly-bob-mcnair-texans-general-manager

[better days]

My google brought this up:

Like I said there were MANY articles about it at the time. I'm sure you saw MORE than that one article. I guess you have never heard of a company telling an employee to resign or be fired.

"I have an interest in doing other things right now.".................like sitting on my couch.
"This was not an easy decision, but it was a decision I felt I had to make at this point in time." Do I want to resign & save face or get fired?

By resigning it looks better for both parties, but the FACT is Casserly did not leave of his own accord.

[streetkings01]

Like I said there were MANY articles about it at the time. I'm sure you saw MORE than that one article. I guess you have never heard of a company telling an employee to resign or be fired.

"I have an interest in doing other things right now.".................like sitting on my couch.
"This was not an easy decision, but it was a decision I felt I had to make at this point in time." Do I want to resign & save face or get fired?

By resigning it looks better for both parties, but the FACT is Casserly did not leave of his own accord.better days has def seen "better days" pun intended!LMAO

[Beebe's Kid]

Those other sites are stupid. God writes Wikipedia, not some stupid, credentialed, reporter. Next thing you know, people are going to start believing scientists, and other experts...

[better days]

better days has def seen "better days" pun intended!LMAO

Right you are my friend. Sadly for me, my better days are in my rear view mirror. Better days ahead for the Bills is about the best I can hope for in life about now.

[YardRat]

Williams damn well better feel some pressure to perform, and he better bring that pressure to every QB's ass we face this season. I want him to feel pressure to prove he was worth the investment.

[mysticsoto]

Like I said there were MANY articles about it at the time. I'm sure you saw MORE than that one article. I guess you have never heard of a company telling an employee to resign or be fired.

"I have an interest in doing other things right now.".................like sitting on my couch.
"This was not an easy decision, but it was a decision I felt I had to make at this point in time." Do I want to resign & save face or get fired?

By resigning it looks better for both parties, but the FACT is Casserly did not leave of his own accord.

Yes, you're right. Why would I think ESPN and another Boston media based article are legitimate. Why would I think I could believe the words that came out of both McNair and Casserly's mouth? I should instead take your word and belief of what YOU think really happened and not their word instead.

Makes perfect sense...

[Beebe]

We will be good this year and Tom will have that clock in he's head to throw the ball.

[better days]

Yes, you're right. Why would I think ESPN and another Boston media based article are legitimate. Why would I think I could believe the words that came out of both McNair and Casserly's mouth? I should instead take your word and belief of what YOU think really happened and not their word instead.

Makes perfect sense...

Seriously? My mouth? Like I said there are MANY articles that were written at the time, I'm sure you saw them. Casserly was not a popular GM in Texas with the fans or owner.

As far as what was reported, both Peyton & Williams said they had no bounty system in place in New Orleans. You can believe that as well as believe Casserly left of his own accord if you want. Both were reported.

[mysticsoto]

Seriously? My mouth? Like I said there are MANY articles that were written at the time, I'm sure you saw them. Casserly was not a popular GM in Texas with the fans or owner.

As far as what was reported, both Peyton & Williams said they had no bounty system in place in New Orleans. You can believe that as well as believe Casserly left of his own accord if you want. Both were reported.

Well I think the bounty system - violating NFL rules is MUCH different than Casserly wanting to explore other things. Oh, and as for the Peyton/Williams thing...there was a little something called evidence.

As I said, even from back then, I remembered that it was talked about on whether or not Casserly was staying or leaving and there was doubts before he made Mario's pick. As it was, he turned out to have made the right pick. Houston fans should apologize to Casserly when it turns out they were wrong!

I can't go against what they man and his boss say and simply take your speculation over that. That doesn't make any sense...

[better days]

Well I think the bounty system - violating NFL rules is MUCH different than Casserly wanting to explore other things. Oh, and as for the Peyton/Williams thing...there was a little something called evidence.

As I said, even from back then, I remembered that it was talked about on whether or not Casserly was staying or leaving and there was doubts before he made Mario's pick. As it was, he turned out to have made the right pick. Houston fans should apologize to Casserly when it turns out they were wrong!

I can't go against what they man and his boss say and simply take your speculation over that. That doesn't make any sense...

It is not just my speculation. AGAIN look at ALL the MANY articles that were written at the time.

What is similar about bountygate & Casserly leaving the Texans is the FACT that people LIE all the time to suit their needs & purposes.

Casserly was FORCED to leave the Texans BEFORE he was proved right about Mario.

Like I said, you can choose to believe Casserly left of his own accord if you like, I don't care. You can also choose to believe bountygate & spygate never happened either if you like. After all, the parties involved in those said they never happened either.

[mysticsoto]

It is not just my speculation. AGAIN look at ALL the MANY articles that were written at the time.

What is similar about bountygate & Casserly leaving the Texans is the FACT that people LIE all the time to suit their needs & purposes.

Casserly was FORCED to leave the Texans BEFORE he was proved right about Mario.

Like I said, you can choose to believe Casserly left of his own accord if you like, I don't care. You can also choose to believe bountygate & spygate never happened either if you like. After all, the parties involved in those said they never happened either.

Personally, I don't care either, but at some point you have to look at it and say, are they lying or aren't they? I see no reason for Casserly to lie. Or McNair for that matter. With your style of thinking, all conspiracies are actually true, b'cse you should believe everything that everybody else writes about something. It's been yrs and the story hasn't changed. Casserly left of his own accord. I realize he was unpopular for his decision (though he was unpopular before it also) but as it turns out, his draft choice was the right one. Ultimately, that's the point I was trying to make.

[justasportsfan]

I hope Mario gets pressure. Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread or go off topic .

[better days]

Personally, I don't care either, but at some point you have to look at it and say, are they lying or aren't they? I see no reason for Casserly to lie. Or McNair for that matter. With your style of thinking, all conspiracies are actually true, b'cse you should believe everything that everybody else writes about something. It's been yrs and the story hasn't changed. Casserly left of his own accord. I realize he was unpopular for his decision (though he was unpopular before it also) but as it turns out, his draft choice was the right one. Ultimately, that's the point I was trying to make.

Justa is right, we have hijacked this thread long enough. If you want to continue with your arguement, one of us can start a new thread titled:

Steelers announce long time OC is retiring

[Skooby]

Mario rules.

[jamze132]

Not really. Look it up.
For the millionth time, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could write an article in there that says "better days" is a douche of a poster and likes gay midget porn and you could do a search and find this article.

[better days]

For the millionth time, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could write an article in there that says "better days" is a douche of a poster and likes gay midget porn and you could do a search and find this article.

For the millionth time, MANY MANY articles were written at the time & are still available on the net, you can look them up.

I guess I will have to start the thread Steelers announce their long time OC is retiring. If you haven't heard about that, you can look it up as well.

[justasportsfan]

Justa is right, we have hijacked this thread long enough. If you want to continue with your arguement, one of us can start a new thread titled:

Steelers announce long time OC is retiring


Heaven knows i NEVER hijack threads.


:couch:

[justasportsfan]

rather than start a new thread. Thought I'd post this here since I didn't see it posted. IF so, my apologies.


Tell he truth: Casserly on drafting Bush/Mario.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8284d10a/Tell-the-Truth-Casserly-s-Reggie-Bush-ruse?module=HP11_hot_topics

[mysticsoto]

rather than start a new thread. Thought I'd post this here since I didn't see it posted. IF so, my apologies.


Tell he truth: Casserly on drafting Bush/Mario.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8284d10a/Tell-the-Truth-Casserly-s-Reggie-Bush-ruse?module=HP11_hot_topics

Better Days will still deny it. He wants to desperately believe Casserly was fired...for whatever reason...

[stuckincincy]

I hope Wms. pans out.

BUF paid a lot of $ and cap (which puts pressure on other players' salaries) for a player who sat mid-October with a pectoral tear, and was let go by a playoff club that was 3 - 3 with him and 7 - 4 without.

Jury's still out, IMO.

[mysticsoto]

I hope Wms. pans out.

BUF paid a lot of $ and cap (which puts pressure on other players' salaries) for a player who sat mid-October with a pectoral tear, and was let go by a playoff club that was 3 - 3 with him and 7 - 4 without.

Jury's still out, IMO.

Did you watch any games last season??? Mario Williams is miles above *ANYONE* we had playing at DE!

[stuckincincy]

Did you watch any games last season??? Mario Williams is miles above *ANYONE* we had playing at DE!

No. I did not watch HOU's first 6 games - that he played in. Even If I cared to, I doubt they were televised in the CIN tv area market. Probably the same for the BUF tv market.

Williams is coming off injury, and was not retained by HOU. That gets my red flag.

Hope I'm wrong.

[better days]

Better Days will still deny it. He wants to desperately believe Casserly was fired...for whatever reason...

Deny WHAT? NOTHING on that clip disputes what I said.

[better days]

No. I did not watch HOU's first 6 games - that he played in. Even If I cared to, I doubt they were televised in the CIN tv area market. Probably the same for the BUF tv market.

Williams is coming off injury, and was not retained by HOU. That gets my red flag.

Hope I'm wrong.

Are you 12 years old & can't go to a sports bar to watch the games without mommy & daddy or are you just CHEAP?

[mysticsoto]

Deny WHAT? NOTHING on that clip disputes what I said.

But nothing supports what you said either except these articles you've made claim to that were written back then. But the ones that were written that state the opposite you ignore as well as the very words from both Casserly and McNair...

[mysticsoto]

Are you 12 years old & can't go to a sports bar to watch the games without mommy & daddy or are you just CHEAP?
Or never heard of youtube. :D

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=better days]Are you 12 years old & can't go to a sports bar to watch the games without mommy & daddy or are you just CHEAP?[/QUOTE

Don't expose yourself as an idiot. My post was reasoned.

Respond to my thought about Wms. being injured and not retained by HOU, instead of shaking your rattle at me as you sit at your local Chuck E. Cheese.

[better days]

But nothing supports what you said either except these articles you've made claim to that were written back then. But the ones that were written that state the opposite you ignore as well as the very words from both Casserly and McNair...

It is easy to ignore people when they are lying to save face. As I said, The Steelers announced their long time OC was retiring. Should I believe that also?

[mysticsoto]

It is easy to ignore people when they are lying to save face. As I said, The Steelers announced their long time OC was retiring. Should I believe that also?

Can you establish that they are lying to save face? And who exactly needs to save face? Casserly could have taken Bush any time and made the consensus pick that the majority of people thought he was going to do. He CHOSE not to.

And it wasn't long before Houston realized that Casserly was right...

[better days]

[quote=better days]Are you 12 years old & can't go to a sports bar to watch the games without mommy & daddy or are you just CHEAP?[/QUOTE

Don't expose yourself as an idiot. My post was reasoned.

Respond to my thought about Wms. being injured and not retained by HOU, instead of shaking your rattle at me as you sit at your local Chuck E. Cheese.

I am just curious, because this is not the first time you have said you have no access to watch games, including Bills games.

We have no Chuck E Cheese down here on the West Coast of Fla, the best I can do is Papa Johns.

The Texans did not retain Mario Williams because they switched to a 3-4 defense under Wade Philips & they did not want to pay him the money an ELITE 4-3 DE would make to play 3-4 OLB.

[better days]

Can you establish that they are lying to save face? And who exactly needs to save face? Casserly could have taken Bush any time and made the consensus pick that the majority of people thought he was going to do. He CHOSE not to.

And it wasn't long before Houston realized that Casserly was right...

Casserly was right & he never wanted Bush as he said in that clip. The sad fact is Charlie was not proven to be right until after he & the Texans parted ways.

Yes, I can establish the Steelers were trying to save face by the simple fact Bruce Arians is the NEW OC of the Colts.

Here is what Arians said when the Steelers announced his retirement: "When I wasn't offered a contract, it was an easy decision for me."

After being hired by the Colts, Arians said he NEVER wanted to retire.

[alnilla]

[quote=stuckincincy]

I am just curious, because this is not the first time you have said you have no access to watch games, including Bills games.

We have no Chuck E Cheese down here on the West Coast of Fla, the best I can do is Papa Johns.

The Texans did not retain Mario Williams because they switched to a 3-4 defense under Wade Philips & they did not want to pay him the money an ELITE 4-3 DE would make to play 3-4 OLB.


That pretty much sums it up

[stuckincincy]

[quote=stuckincincy]

I am just curious, because this is not the first time you have said you have no access to watch games, including Bills games.

We have no Chuck E Cheese down here on the West Coast of Fla, the best I can do is Papa Johns.

The Texans did not retain Mario Williams because they switched to a 3-4 defense under Wade Philips & they did not want to pay him the money an ELITE 4-3 DE would make to play 3-4 OLB.

I've seen Wms.

Phillips is not a dummy. Wms. is a big talent - Wade would never dump the player because of a scheme issue. Same as BUF - they didn't can KW when they tried a 3 -4.

[better days]

[quote=better days]

I've seen Wms. Probably as much as you have - the NFL certainly gives all of us a big dose of their "darling" teams.

Phillips is not a dummy. Wms. is a big talent - Wade would never dump the player because of a scheme issue.

Wade has LITTLE say on that team. He is only the DC, not the HC. I'm sure MANY OC's & DC's would like to keep some players their teams let go for money reasons alone. The cap has to be managed.

[stuckincincy]

[quote=stuckincincy]

Wade has LITTLE say on that team. He is only the DC, not the HC. I'm sure MANY OC's & DC's would like to keep some players their teams let go for money reasons alone. The cap has to be managed.


Er - Wade brought them good defense in his year with them. Yep - he's not the HC - and of course has credentials on that job.

Indeed - the cap has to be managed. HOU's cap management is now BUF's cap management.

Sorry - I wait for Wms. to show, play, so to see he's not a vet that cashed in on dupes. Plenty of that, through the years.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I hope Wms. pans out.

BUF paid a lot of $ and cap (which puts pressure on other players' salaries) for a player who sat mid-October with a pectoral tear, and was let go by a playoff club that was 3 - 3 with him and 7 - 4 without.

Jury's still out, IMO.
And was sidelined with a season ending injury the year before, now joining a team with a notorious history of ending its own players' seasons with-- you guessed it-- major injuries.

[better days]

[quote=better days]


Er - Wade brought them good defense in his year with them. Yep - he's not the HC - and of course has credentials on that job.

Indeed - the cap has to be managed. HOU's cap management is now BUF's cap management.

Sorry - I wait for Wms. to show, play, so to see he's not a vet that cashed in on dupes. Plenty of that, through the years.

The major difference is, Buffalo will use Mario as he was used before last year, as an ELITE 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLb. Much easier to justify that on the cap.

All we can do now is wait for Mario to show us what he has in Buffalo, & I for one can't wait to see it, I think it will be GREAT to see.