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Blacksheep71
04-13-2012, 07:08 AM
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>I hope we stick with Hairston at LT. Our OL seemed to gel as the season went, and really we need to give Fitzpatrick more targets - he was sacked on fewer drop backs since Flutie was under center, and our rookie LT gave up 4 sacks and 3 penalties in 13 games and can only get better. Nix also doesn't have a history of going early on the OL. We do need depth at OT though.</o:p>

<o:p>Despite signing two DE in Free Agency, we are moving to a 4-3 defense. I think Chan and Buddy will have learnt about trying to place square pegs in round holes and will look to get true 4-3 defensemen onboard. The best teams have quality depth here as an effective DL can make the rest of the defense look better than it is. Both the Giants and Saints have taken DEs early even when they've got established starters.</o:p>

R1.10.Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina, 6ft5, 284lbs, 4.72 (40)

I think Coples will slide out of the Top9 in the draft making him a steal. There is a slight question mark about motor/effort but there often is with talented players and he admitted he was concerned about getting injured in his senior season. He has the size, strength and speed allowing him to play both left andright. Anderson has never been a full time starter and I think would be most effective if rotated in with Mario and another starter as a situational pass rusher. I can see Coples being used in the same way that the Giants used Tuck,moving him inside on occasion and he’s big enough to be an occasional 3-4 defensive end. He registered 10 sacks whilst playing a lot of DT in his junior season and still made 7.5sacks whilst not making an effort, allegedly. The scouting report below is similar to mostI’ve read except Maycock.
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012qcoples.php

R2.41.Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson, 6ft4, 255lbs, 4.89 (40)

One of the top two players at his position, Allen is a well rounded player equally adept at receiving as well as blocking. He does everything well if not exceptionally but would represent an upgrade over Chandler. Giving Ryan an extra target as well as giving our ground attack some help never hurts as it will allow him to get rid of the ball quickly continuing to help the Offensive Line. He’s quicker than his combine time. In a league where the pass is increasingly dominant I can't see us passing on a rounded TE 3 years in a row after the performances of Gronkowski and to a lesser extent Rudolph.
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012dallen.php

R3.71.Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana, 6ft2, 204lbs, 4.61 (40)

He didn’t run well at the combine but has been clocked sub 4.50 on several occasions. The guy is a footballer with great instincts, with quick feet and excellent balance. Our secondary is short in a league of giant WRs and fast TEs. Getting some height will definitely help. Speed is more important if youare often out of position and Johnson often isn’t. He may not well fall to us,but I’m hoping he does. He’s a good tackler, and potential Year 1 starter.
http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/01/cb-trumaine-johnson-scouting-report/ (http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/01/cb-trumaine-johnson-scouting-report/)

R4.105. Brandon Mosley, RT, Auburn, 6ft6, 314lbs,5.21 (40)

He is a raw prospect with good strength and experience at RT, giving good depth behind Pears and allowing Hairston to develop further on the left hand side. He has decent length arms (34”) and a solid bench press.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=46620 (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=46620)

R4.124.Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami, 6ft5, 219lbs, 4.40 (40)

He has the size and ability to stretch the field but is inexperienced. He has shown the ability to get separation both down the field and on shorter routes. He’s also got the size and strength to be an ugly blocker. Whilst only a one year starter his production matches that of the more highly regarded Marvin Jones of California. http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/02/tommy-streeter-scouting-report/ (http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/02/tommy-streeter-scouting-report/)

R5.144. Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma, 6ft1, 246lbs,4.75 (40)

Getting a potential Day1 starter in Round 5 is rare but this is what Lewis could represent. He was touted as a possible first rounder after his junior year, but a broken toe requiring surgery followed by a tentative senior season led to him sliding, though he plays hurt. Did not have a good combine but it was not Burfictesque. Has generally been productive and offers good depth at WLB. http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011tlewis.php (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011tlewis.php)

R5.147. BJ Coleman, QB, Tennessee-Chattanooga, 6ft3, 233lbs

He had an excellent East-West Shrine game and has the arm strength to thread the ball. Definitely has development potential and Mel Kiper likes him, for whatthat’s worth.
(http://www.nyjetsdraft.com/2012/03/qb-bj-coleman-scouting-report/)http://www.nyjetsdraft.com/2012/03/qb-bj-coleman-scouting-report/

R6.178.Jeff Adams, LT, Columbia, 6ft6, 308lbs, 5.18 (40)

Some might think this is high for Adams, but he has one advantage over his contemporaries that will have him go higher. He is a legitimate left tackle with the athleticism to play here in the NFL. It will be a steep learning curve, but he is more advanced than Bell was when we drafted him. He will need some coaching on his technique and needs to get stronger but the raw tools are there, and he has the intelligence to learn quickly. I did think Andrew Datko but his injuries will scare people away. He won’t start in his rookie season but may well move Hairston to the right hand side by his second.Several teams are looking at him including the Redskins and Cardinals as well as the Bengals and Jets. http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2012/03/27/waiting-game-adams-nfl-draft-approaches (http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2012/03/27/waiting-game-adams-nfl-draft-approaches[/font])
I know fans would want LT taken earlier but it is quite a weak class at this position.

R7.217.Micah Pellerin, CB, Hampton, 6ft1, 194lbs, 4.47 (40)

He is an experienced corner generally solid across the board. Coming from a small school will prevent him going high.He is a former safety who can tackle and who has excellent speed for his size.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/04/micah-pellerin-scouting-report.html

R7.251.Chase Ford, TE, Miami, 6ft6, 258lbs, 4.69 (40)

Both the Patriots and Ravens have double dipped at TE in the draft recently so we would be in good company. Under used with the Hurricanes and definitely more a receiver than blocker.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=47231

A DE, OLB, WR, TE x2, CB x2, a developmental QB and OT x2

clumping platelets
04-13-2012, 07:12 AM
:dizzy:

acehole
04-13-2012, 07:29 AM
Craptastic!



<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>I hope we stick with Hairston at LT. Our OL seemed to gel as the season went, and really we need to give Fitzpatrick more targets - he was sacked on fewer drop backs since Flutie was under center, and our rookie LT gave up 4 sacks and 3 penalties in 13 games and can only get better. Nix also doesn't have a history of going early on the OL. We do need depth at OT though.</o:p>

<o:p>Despite signing two DE in Free Agency, we are moving to a 4-3 defense. I think Chan and Buddy will have learnt about trying to place square pegs in round holes and will look to get true 4-3 defensemen onboard. The best teams have quality depth here as an effective DL can make the rest of the defense look better than it is. Both the Giants and Saints have taken DEs early even when they've got established starters.</o:p>

R1.10.Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina, 6ft5, 284lbs, 4.72 (40)

I think Coples will slide out of the Top9 in the draft making him a steal. There is a slight question mark about motor/effort but there often is with talented players and he admitted he was concerned about getting injured in his senior season. He has the size, strength and speed allowing him to play both left andright. Anderson has never been a full time starter and I think would be most effective if rotated in with Mario and another starter as a situational pass rusher. I can see Coples being used in the same way that the Giants used Tuck,moving him inside on occasion and he’s big enough to be an occasional 3-4 defensive end. He registered 10 sacks whilst playing a lot of DT in his junior season and still made 7.5sacks whilst not making an effort, allegedly. The scouting report below is similar to mostI’ve read except Maycock.
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012qcoples.php

R2.41.Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson, 6ft4, 255lbs, 4.89 (40)

One of the top two players at his position, Allen is a well rounded player equally adept at receiving as well as blocking. He does everything well if not exceptionally but would represent an upgrade over Chandler. Giving Ryan an extra target as well as giving our ground attack some help never hurts as it will allow him to get rid of the ball quickly continuing to help the Offensive Line. He’s quicker than his combine time. In a league where the pass is increasingly dominant I can't see us passing on a rounded TE 3 years in a row after the performances of Gronkowski and to a lesser extent Rudolph.
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012dallen.php

R3.71.Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana, 6ft2, 204lbs, 4.61 (40)

He didn’t run well at the combine but has been clocked sub 4.50 on several occasions. The guy is a footballer with great instincts, with quick feet and excellent balance. Our secondary is short in a league of giant WRs and fast TEs. Getting some height will definitely help. Speed is more important if youare often out of position and Johnson often isn’t. He may not well fall to us,but I’m hoping he does. He’s a good tackler, and potential Year 1 starter.
http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/01/cb-trumaine-johnson-scouting-report/ (http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/01/cb-trumaine-johnson-scouting-report/)

R4.105. Brandon Mosley, RT, Auburn, 6ft6, 314lbs,5.21 (40)

He is a raw prospect with good strength and experience at RT, giving good depth behind Pears and allowing Hairston to develop further on the left hand side. He has decent length arms (34”) and a solid bench press.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=46620 (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=46620)

R4.124.Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami, 6ft5, 219lbs, 4.40 (40)

He has the size and ability to stretch the field but is inexperienced. He has shown the ability to get separation both down the field and on shorter routes. He’s also got the size and strength to be an ugly blocker. Whilst only a one year starter his production matches that of the more highly regarded Marvin Jones of California. http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/02/tommy-streeter-scouting-report/ (http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/02/tommy-streeter-scouting-report/)

R5.144. Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma, 6ft1, 246lbs,4.75 (40)

Getting a potential Day1 starter in Round 5 is rare but this is what Lewis could represent. He was touted as a possible first rounder after his junior year, but a broken toe requiring surgery followed by a tentative senior season led to him sliding, though he plays hurt. Did not have a good combine but it was not Burfictesque. Has generally been productive and offers good depth at WLB. http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011tlewis.php (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011tlewis.php)

R5.147. BJ Coleman, QB, Tennessee-Chattanooga, 6ft3, 233lbs

He had an excellent East-West Shrine game and has the arm strength to thread the ball. Definitely has development potential and Mel Kiper likes him, for whatthat’s worth.
(http://www.nyjetsdraft.com/2012/03/qb-bj-coleman-scouting-report/)http://www.nyjetsdraft.com/2012/03/qb-bj-coleman-scouting-report/

R6.178.Jeff Adams, LT, Columbia, 6ft6, 308lbs, 5.18 (40)

Some might think this is high for Adams, but he has one advantage over his contemporaries that will have him go higher. He is a legitimate left tackle with the athleticism to play here in the NFL. It will be a steep learning curve, but he is more advanced than Bell was when we drafted him. He will need some coaching on his technique and needs to get stronger but the raw tools are there, and he has the intelligence to learn quickly. I did think Andrew Datko but his injuries will scare people away. He won’t start in his rookie season but may well move Hairston to the right hand side by his second.Several teams are looking at him including the Redskins and Cardinals as well as the Bengals and Jets. http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2012/03/27/waiting-game-adams-nfl-draft-approaches (http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2012/03/27/waiting-game-adams-nfl-draft-approaches[/font])
I know fans would want LT taken earlier but it is quite a weak class at this position.

R7.217.Micah Pellerin, CB, Hampton, 6ft1, 194lbs, 4.47 (40)

He is an experienced corner generally solid across the board. Coming from a small school will prevent him going high.He is a former safety who can tackle and who has excellent speed for his size.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/04/micah-pellerin-scouting-report.html

R7.251.Chase Ford, TE, Miami, 6ft6, 258lbs, 4.69 (40)

Both the Patriots and Ravens have double dipped at TE in the draft recently so we would be in good company. Under used with the Hurricanes and definitely more a receiver than blocker.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=47231

A DE, OLB, WR, TE x2, CB x2, a developmental QB and OT x2

Sportsuser101
04-13-2012, 07:50 AM
I would be very disappointed with that draft

CleveSteve
04-13-2012, 08:07 AM
I like the Streeter, Lewis, Coleman, and Ford picks.

I like Dwayne Allen as a player quite a bit. I just find it hard to believe he improves your team the most at that pick.

If Mosley fell to the 4th he'd be a steal.

jamze132
04-13-2012, 08:07 AM
I just punched a baby!

Blacksheep71
04-13-2012, 08:33 AM
I would be very disappointed with that draft

Why?

Blacksheep71
04-13-2012, 08:34 AM
I just punched a baby!

Why? No ridiculous reaches or dodgy trades were involved.

YardRat
04-13-2012, 08:48 AM
Would rather have a WR or LB in the second round.

CleveSteve
04-13-2012, 08:50 AM
Why? No ridiculous reaches or dodgy trades were involved.

He said he was going to punch a baby next time someone started a thread about their mock draft.

Blacksheep71
04-13-2012, 08:52 AM
Would rather have a WR or LB in the second round.

I did think that with Zach Brown or Mohamed Sanu, but felt the drop off in quality was far less at these positions than the fall from Dwayne Allen was.

Allen won't be there in the 3rd, but when people are talking of the likes of Broyles, Streeter, Childs or even the impressive Coale being there in the 4th I thought Allen was the best option.

CleveSteve
04-13-2012, 09:10 AM
I think if you're looking for a TE that can both block and catch on day 3, Deangelo Peterson from LSU is a good option. Dwayne Allen could be a Brandon Pettigrew-level player, though.

Oh yeah, and Smelley from Alabama can be had in the 6th or 7th. He's underrated IMO.

Ed
04-13-2012, 11:58 AM
I like this mock a lot better than others I have seen.

I'm a fan of taking Coples and I really like Dwayne Allen. I also love the Mosley and Streeter picks in the 4th.

Lone Stranger
04-13-2012, 06:33 PM
I thought the latter part of your draft was better than the early rounds. Not picking an LT is a serious deficiency.

SeatownBillsFan21
04-13-2012, 06:51 PM
You must like Donald Jones as our #2 WR this year huh....

Extremebillsfan247
04-13-2012, 07:10 PM
The Bills won't be taking a DE at 10. They are too well stocked at the position to waste a 10th on one. They also have a lot of money tied into that position now after the big splash they made in free agency landing 2 DE's. If you take a prospect that high in the draft, and his name isn't CJ Spiller, he's most likely starting on day 1. The Bills are not going to bench either Anderson, or Williams after spending all that money to get them for a rookie. I just don't see that happening at all. You don't spend the 10th over all pick on a depth player. That is what Coples would be if drafted here.

Also, if they don't take a LT in the first, chances are pretty good that they wont be drafting one at all. Beyond Kalil, Reiff, Martin, Glenn, and Adams, offensive tackle in general is extremely void of exceptional talent, and all of these prospects will be gone within the first 48 picks or sooner.

WR is a little better but not much. Beyond Blackmon and Floyd is a pool of raw talent that will need a lot of work. The Bills are stocked with receivers that would fit right in with that group. What they don't have is a reliable receiver to play opposite Steve Johnson. Your only getting that kind of reliability if you draft Blackmon, Floyd, or role the dice on a shady free agent like Braylon Edwards. JMO

paladin warrior
04-14-2012, 01:46 AM
:puke: :puke: :down: :down: I dont understand. No OL from 10# or 41# or 71# or 105# or 124#or 144# or 147# or 178# or 217# or 251#
I would like take QB in 3rd or 4th round

Blacksheep71
04-14-2012, 03:06 AM
:puke: :puke: :down: :down: I dont understand. No OL from 10# or 41# or 71# or 105# or 124#or 144# or 147# or 178# or 217# or 251#
I would like take QB in 3rd or 4th round

Weren't you aware that the Bills OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league last season?

If it ain't broke why are you trying to fix it, unless you are guaranteed to take someone who will be a definite upgrade ... and sorry to let you know this but he is goine at No3

Blacksheep71
04-14-2012, 03:16 AM
The Bills won't be taking a DE at 10. They are too well stocked at the position to waste a 10th on one. They also have a lot of money tied into that position now after the big splash they made in free agency landing 2 DE's. If you take a prospect that high in the draft, and his name isn't CJ Spiller, he's most likely starting on day 1. The Bills are not going to bench either Anderson, or Williams after spending all that money to get them for a rookie. I just don't see that happening at all. You don't spend the 10th over all pick on a depth player. That is what Coples would be if drafted here.

Also, if they don't take a LT in the first, chances are pretty good that they wont be drafting one at all. Beyond Kalil, Reiff, Martin, Glenn, and Adams, offensive tackle in general is extremely void of exceptional talent, and all of these prospects will be gone within the first 48 picks or sooner.

WR is a little better but not much. Beyond Blackmon and Floyd is a pool of raw talent that will need a lot of work. The Bills are stocked with receivers that would fit right in with that group. What they don't have is a reliable receiver to play opposite Steve Johnson. Your only getting that kind of reliability if you draft Blackmon, Floyd, or role the dice on a shady free agent like Braylon Edwards. JMO

Too well stocked? Kelsay who is rubbish, Batten with no experience, Merriman in his final year carrying injuries and who has never played in a 4-3 defense? We have a lot of bodies most of who are very mediocre.

We might have given Anderson $19.5m but that's less than $5m a season par for the course as a situational pass rusher only. The Pats worked out the best way to use Anderson was not to start him ... do we know more than the Pats? Check our records.

All the best 4-3 defenses have a multitude of top pass rushers.

The Giants with JPP, Umeymiora, and Tuck
The Eagles with Cole and having spent a R1 on Graham (No12) immediately went and spent big money on Babin.
The Saints take DEs even when they've had established starters.

When we swapped to the 3-4 we tried to put players into unfamiliar positions - it was catastrophically stupid and gave us one of the worst defences in the league.

We won't make that error swapping back to the 4-3.

Granted we might go R1 with a WR like Floyd but in this case we'll definitely go after a DE like Vinny Curry in R2 if he's available.

You can never have too many pass rushers

thenry20
04-14-2012, 04:04 AM
If you don't think Anderson is starting you're dreaming! You don't dish out that kind of money to backups.

Blacksheep71
04-14-2012, 06:49 AM
If you don't think Anderson is starting you're dreaming! You don't dish out that kind of money to backups.

He may well be.

He just won't be any good. Seven seasons have shown that this is a FACT

YardRat
04-14-2012, 06:57 AM
Weren't you aware that the Bills OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league last season?

If it ain't broke why are you trying to fix it, unless you are guaranteed to take someone who will be a definite upgrade ... and sorry to let you know this but he is goine at No3

That's mirage created by the rhythm of the QB and system...our o-line definitely needs fixing.


If you don't think Anderson is starting you're dreaming! You don't dish out that kind of money to backups.

Brad Smith is making pretty good scratch to be a back-up.

justasportsfan
04-14-2012, 07:23 AM
Weren't you aware that the Bills OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league last season?



thats because Fitz got rid of the ball faster than OP can say, "Ralph is cheap".

YardRat
04-14-2012, 07:24 AM
FWIW, even though we do have numbers at DE at the moment the position is still in a situation similar to our WR's...there are definite question marks for the "#2" slot.

Williams is a given.

Anderson is probably best utilized for his strength-situational pass rushing.
Can Kelsay play effectively at RDE? We know he's adequate or slightly better at LDE, but...
Johnson might provide reliable depth (IMO he will) but he might not and he's not a starter.
Merriman's health, of course, and even if a miracle saves his career he's probably best suited in a 43 to play the same role as Anderson...situational.
Batten can't play DE at this level.
That leaves Moore, Eddins and Dotson and the dreaded 'potential' but even then none of them will probably have a ceiling high enough to do more than start on an emergency basis.

Yeah, we could use a solid guy at RDE.

Bert102176
04-15-2012, 02:22 PM
Why?



cause Coples sux ass, we need blackmon or floyd anything less other then luck or RG3 would be a waste of time and money

CleveSteve
04-15-2012, 03:26 PM
cause Coples sux ass, we need blackmon or floyd anything less other then luck or RG3 would be a waste of time and money

What if both WRs are gone?

mayotm
04-15-2012, 03:29 PM
What if both WRs are gone?Exactly. If both are gone, I guess the Bills shouldn't draft anybody. The mentality that player A or player B are the only viable options is absurd.