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#1 pick

05-03-2012, 12:39 AM

I have been a VY fan for years. Not my favorite player but a fan nonetheless. Either way, I haven't been surprised by what happened in Tenn. Fisher and him never seen eye to eye. VY isn't Fisher's type of QB, not smart enough. VY gets a bad rap for his IQ but his Football intellect is on par with guys like Big Ben, Bradshaw, Jake Plummer, Cunningham, etc. He has had some mental issues in Tenn with not dealing with mistreatment well but more than not, a lot of people have those issues in that situation. You don't believe me, find a disgruntle worker with bosses who hate them and see where his mental stake is at. Not very good generally speaking. I am personally not a Bills fan nor am I even a Fitzpatrick fan. I personally think Fitz is in the same tier with Kyle Orton and to be honest, I think Orton is better. I don't think Fitz is QB who can take you far. Maybe the team can but not Fitz. I personally think he is an average QB like Orton. Stat wise they look the same.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OCpsE2t5gjM/TuVTMhlI6MI/AAAAAAAABMs/FX4KDH_78gc/s912/fitzorton.JPG

I look at Vince in the same way I look at Matt Ryan, Hasslebeck, and Brad Johnson. Very talented or skilled players who need a lot of support. VY to me is a game manager who needs the run establish and to be a Super Bowl winning QB, he needs a very good to elite defense. Some what like Johnson and Ryan. Now he is a lot more talented than Ryan and Hasslebeck but those two are extremely smart. While VY is more so at the bottom in terms of NFL starters with Big Ben and others.

VY is accurate on short range and deep range passes. VY can extend plays. VY is very clutch. VY has a winners genes. VY gives you team a chance to win the game and can win the game for you. VY isn't very intelligent. VY can't carry a team like a Brady or Manning can. VY will likely never be an elite QB.

Read this from two years ago:

 In his first four NFL seasons (2006-09), amassed a 26-13 regular season record as a starter. His .667 winning percentage qualified as the best regular season winning percentage in franchise history and the fourth best among quarterbacks drafted between 2000-2009 (Brady, Rivers and Roethlisberger).
• Has engineered 11 career game-winning performances, leading his team to victory after a fourth-quarter deficit or tie, including six times in 2009.
• Started the final 10 games of the 2009 season, leading the team to an 8-2 finish after the club began the campaign 0-6. Named to the Pro Bowl after completing 152 of 259 passes for 1,879 yards with 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions for a career-high 82.8 passer rating.
• In 2007, directed the team to Wild Card playoff berth, becoming 11th quarterback drafted in first round since 1983 to lead his team to playoffs within his first two seasons.
• In 2006, was named Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year, Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers of America Offensive Rookie of the Year, Sports Illustrated Rookie of the Year, Sporting News Rookie of the Year and Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year (fan voting) after setting every rookie passing record for the franchise, completing 184 of 357 passes for 2,199 yards and 12 touchdowns.
• Additionally gained 552 yards on 83 rushing attempts (6.7 avg.) in 2006, becoming first quarterback in Super Bowl era (1966-present) to rush for 500 yards as rookie. Tied for team high with seven rushing touchdowns, also first for a rookie quarterback in Super Bowl era.
Before hurting his thumb he was having his best season 98.6 QB rating a whopping 16 points higher than his previous career best. In (2009QB Rating 82.8)
He completed a respectable 60 percent of his passes And win record of 30/17.

And last but not lease is lack of studying film and reading defense and running the offense and leadership. Well let look at that how does a QB in the NFL improves his skills in his QB rating 82.8 to 98.6 in one season. How does a QB take 0-6 team and go 8-2 without leadership now these are the same players who went 0-6.
There is no outright admission that Young wasn’t as studious as he needed to be earlier in his career. But read what offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger and Collins have to say about Young’s study habits now and connect the dots. “I think his work habits have been great,” Heimerdinger said.
“He’s been spending the time, he’s been studying it. If I put something in new on Wednesday and he struggles with it, he comes back Thursday and has it down cold. He’s really working at it, he’s doing the things that you are supposed to do. He’s got to be taking it home and studying it. If I’ve got a real wordy formation and play, he has it down cold the next day. The stuff I always wondered if he’d do, he’s doing.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/6494/why-its-working-for-young-v-2-0
Soon to be former Titans QB Vince Young posted the fourth best passer rating on third down in the league last season.The quarterbacks in front of Young were Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Jon Kitna. Behind V.Y. were Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Michael Vick, and Philip Rivers in that order. Young played in nine games with eight starts, so it isn't like this is a small sample size.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/05/26/data-points-highest-third-down-passer-ratings/
And Young can be that stud. He has done everything well at times during his career. He’s staged comebacks. He’s been an effective short passer. He’s been an effective long passer – in fact, according to the film-scouring crew at ProFootballFocus.com, Young was the league’s best deep passer in 2010. Not Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers. But Vince Young.
And he’s led a ball-control offense without taking sacks or turning the ball over.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/

Buffalogic

05-03-2012, 12:50 AM

whoa...Vince Young is that you??

ServoBillieves

05-03-2012, 01:30 AM

Great read for what will be a backup. I want Thig gone as much as the next but Vince feels like a pipe dream. Fitzy is our QB. Let's get someone.

bluerosekiller

05-03-2012, 02:14 AM

Why would signing Young be a "pipe dream"?
How so?
Last I knew, there wasn't a long list of teams looking to bring him in.
So, he's obviously available.
If he's willing to take what The Bills offer him when/if they do decide they want him as a back up, it could turn out to be a good situation for him. Instead of hopping from team to team every season or sitting at home unemployed waiting for some team to call when there's an injury to their starter for the rest of his career, he could settle in to a steady situation here.
It would keep him in the league, give him the opportunity to see the field with some regularity in WC situations & rehabilitate his image should he do a goos job here, so that maybe, at some point in the future, someone might give him a chance to be a starter again.
Who knows? It could happen.
I trust that if Gaily sensed any hint of trouble from the guy he certainly would NOT offer him an opportunity here. So, if the front office makes Young an offer, I'd be happy if he took it.

thenry20

05-03-2012, 04:43 AM

Now that was a funny read. I'm sorry but VY lacks muscle between the ears. After all these years in the pros you'd think he'd learn how to read defenses but has not. The guy is a flash in the pan IMHO. Buffalo doesn't need him. Gailey's offense is much too complicated for him to decipher.

TheGhostofJimKelly

05-03-2012, 05:04 AM

Geez, that was a little too long for a guy who hasn't signed yet. We have nothing to do whether the dude signs or not.

YardRat

05-03-2012, 06:20 AM

My condolences.

Joe Fo Sho

05-03-2012, 06:30 AM

The Madden Curse got him, his head game is effed. Maybe a few years off helped him, who knows?

acehole

05-03-2012, 06:40 AM

Vince Young would have to be an incentive laden deal with little bonus.

We need him but on a short leash.

If he messes up he will be gone at little or no cost.

That the way I see it.

If he messes up he knows it might be his last gig.

I am all for second chances.

If he pans out could be greatest offseason pick up.

Hard to know what his demeanor is...I am sure management does and they will do correct thing.

acehole

05-03-2012, 06:43 AM

Now that was a funny read. I'm sorry but VY lacks muscle between the ears. After all these years in the pros you'd think he'd learn how to read defenses but has not. The guy is a flash in the pan IMHO. Buffalo doesn't need him. Gailey's offense is much too complicated for him to decipher.

I disagree. There is a pimary ...route...It is simple there are a few progressions and a hot route.

Big deal.

Hike...throw 10 feet on crossing route...2nd down...hand off....Third down quick out...

first down.

bluerosekiller

05-03-2012, 06:44 AM

Yes, we ALL know about his woeful test scores before the draft & are well aware of his emotional breakdowns while starting for The Titans. But, two things to consider.

He's not being asked to match wits with Fitz.
Or produce an endorsement from Dr. Phil saying that he's fit to play the game now.
All that will be asked of him should the front office decide to offer him a contract, is that he shows up to camp to compete for a position as a back up QB.
And, If he does so to the best of his ability, I'm pretty sure that he'll earn the spot behind Fitz as QB #2. And, if that happens, IMO it will be a much needed upgrade from the individual that currently holds that spot.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 08:10 AM

Why would signing Young be a "pipe dream"?
How so?
Last I knew, there wasn't a long list of teams looking to bring him in.
So, he's obviously available.
If he's willing to take what The Bills offer him when/if they do decide they want him as a back up, it could turn out to be a good situation for him. Instead of hopping from team to team every season or sitting at home unemployed waiting for some team to call when there's an injury to their starter for the rest of his career, he could settle in to a steady situation here.
It would keep him in the league, give him the opportunity to see the field with some regularity in WC situations & rehabilitate his image should he do a goos job here, so that maybe, at some point in the future, someone might give him a chance to be a starter again.
Who knows? It could happen.
I trust that if Gaily sensed any hint of trouble from the guy he certainly would NOT offer him an opportunity here. So, if the front office makes Young an offer, I'd be happy if he took it. If he wants a starting job and none are available. The teams he is likely looking at are teams with a shaky starter who VY is better than and Buffalo is one of them.

Now that was a funny read. I'm sorry but VY lacks muscle between the ears. After all these years in the pros you'd think he'd learn how to read defenses but has not. The guy is a flash in the pan IMHO. Buffalo doesn't need him. Gailey's offense is much too complicated for him to decipher.
VY is not JaMarcus, he doesn't have issues reading a defense. That is a misnomer. Him not being very intelligent is more like Big Ben than someone who doesn't read defenses well or even care like Vick or JaMarcus.

Skooby

05-03-2012, 08:14 AM

VY is unstable, which instills little confidence from me.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 08:21 AM

Yes, we ALL know about his woeful test scores before the draft & are well aware of his emotional breakdowns while starting for The Titans. But, two things to consider.

He's not being asked to match wits with Fitz.
Or produce an endorsement from Dr. Phil saying that he's fit to play the game now.
All that will be asked of him should the front office decide to offer him a contract, is that he shows up to camp to compete for a position as a back up QB.
And, If he does so to the best of his ability, I'm pretty sure that he'll earn the spot behind Fitz as QB #2. And, if that happens, IMO it will be a much needed upgrade from the individual that currently holds that spot. This is presently true. I mean we all know Fitz is one of the smartest players in the NFL while VY is mid tier in this regard. VY is smarter than Heath Shuler in terms of Football IQ but nowhere close to the Matt Ryan's or Matt Birk's of the world in terms of smarts. Then again this is football, not who is our Fortune 500 company's next CEO.

VY is unstable, which instills little confidence from me.
Nothing he did at Philly and Texas says he is unstable. He is liable to say stupid s**t. Like as a backup in the preseason he said he will be a HOF QB. In Philly when he signed, he called them "the Dream Team". Making stupid comments, he would be right in same alley with Flacco and other delusional QB's but VY does take the cake.

To another poster, VY scored a 15 and Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw scored a 16 on the wonderlic. McNabb scored a 14. It seem like people forget that is VY's real score. When you run a 40 yard dash, don't they go by your highest score as well as other standards of test scoring.

better days

05-03-2012, 08:25 AM

VY is unstable, which instills little confidence from me.

Very understandable & probably the only reason he is not starting on some team now. Young has the tools to be an NFL starter & anyone that watched him play should see that.

The question is can he be counted on to be even keeled & stable in the locker room.

OpIv37

05-03-2012, 08:29 AM

Screw it.

I changed my mind.

I want Young on the team just for the irony/dichotomy of having one of the dumbest guys in the NFL backing up one of the smartest. I can't wait to see the pictures from the team bus. Fitz will be reading Forbes and Business Week on his iPad while Young will be sitting next to him playing learn-to-count games on a LeapFrog.

CleveSteve

05-03-2012, 08:33 AM

whoa...Vince Young is that you??

Pretty sure it's his agent.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 08:33 AM

Screw it.

I changed my mind.

I want Young on the team just for the irony/dichotomy of having one of the dumbest guys in the NFL backing up one of the smartest. I can't wait to see the pictures from the team bus. Fitz will be reading Forbes and Business Week on his iPad while Young will be sitting next to him playing learn-to-count games on a LeapFrog.
Vince isn't close to one of the dumbest players in the NFL but Fitz is one of the smartest if not the smartest. It's clear you have a negative agenda in terms of your POV of VY.

Extremebillsfan247

05-03-2012, 08:33 AM

Vince Young left the Bills without a deal, and the latest from the NFL is that no deal is immanent, meaning it's unlikely that Vince Young gets signed here.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 08:36 AM

Vince Young left the Bills without a deal, and the latest from the NFL is that no deal is immanent, meaning it's unlikely that Vince Young gets signed here.
That's not true. I see what you did. You took a couple true statements and then gave your opinion and based it off as a fact. Not cool.

Extremebillsfan247

05-03-2012, 08:41 AM

That's not true. I see what you did. You took a couple true statements and then gave your opinion and based it off as a fact. Not cool.We will see. I wouldn't get my hopes up though. Just saying. When the Bills really want somebody, they don't usually leave without a contract, just ask Mario Williams, and Mark Anderson.

OpIv37

05-03-2012, 08:42 AM

Vince isn't close to one of the dumbest players in the NFL but Fitz is one of the smartest if not the smartest. It's clear you have a negative agenda in terms of your POV of VY.

lmao.... the self-admitted VY fan who just wrote a 42 paragraph essay trying to convince us how good VY is just accused me of having an agenda regarding VY.

Fixxxer

05-03-2012, 08:43 AM

groupie alert, groupie alert.....

acehole

05-03-2012, 08:44 AM

http://youtu.be/uUMMztIWGA8

http://youtu.be/uUMMztIWGA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UZCrO8gqU

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 08:45 AM

lmao.... the self-admitted VY fan who just wrote a 42 paragraph essay trying to convince us how good VY is just accused me of having an agenda regarding VY.
I didn't write most of this recently, some of this is recycled posts but regardless, I watched him for years so I have a good understanding of his game, how he fits and what he can do. I don't mind haters but to blatantly say things that aren't true isn't right as well.

You can say what you want but I am not falsifying information.

malvado78

05-03-2012, 08:54 AM

I didn't write most of this recently, some of this is recycled posts but regardless, I watched him for years so I have a good understanding of his game, how he fits and what he can do. I don't mind haters but to blatantly say things that aren't true isn't right as well.

You can say what you want but I am not falsifying information.
Don't mind OP. You tagged him right after one post... "negative". But give him a pass. He has been a fan of the Buffalo Bills in a very difficult time. It affects some of us more than others.

:opiv:

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P.S. I did find his post funny with dumbest/smartest QB's on one team.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 09:03 AM

Don't mind OP. You tagged him right after one post... "negative". But give him a pass. He has been a fan of the Buffalo Bills in a very difficult time. It affects some of us more than others.

:opiv:

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P.S. I did find his post funny with dumbest/smartest QB's on one team. I understand, 10+ years of missing the playoffs is extremely tough on any teams fanbase especially now the AFC being wide open. It's not like Buffalo lacks talent, they just lack a quarterback. Mario Williams was a hell of a signing. I really like what you guys have done defensively. Sooner than later it will pay off.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 09:05 AM

We will see. I wouldn't get my hopes up though. Just saying. When the Bills really want somebody, they don't usually leave without a contract, just ask Mario Williams, and Mark Anderson.
Those are prime free agents, VY isn't one currently speaking. He can take his time and seek out the best offer. While Anderson and Williams needed to sign with Buffalo ASAP or they wouldn't at all.

THATHURMANATOR

05-03-2012, 09:10 AM

Too much to read. Someone summarize.

I AM A BUSY MAN!

CleveSteve

05-03-2012, 09:12 AM

Too much to read. Someone summarize.

I AM A BUSY MAN!

:thurm2: Vince Young is awesome.

Philagape

05-03-2012, 09:25 AM

Nothing he did at Philly and Texas says he is unstable.

Hey, two out of three places where he didn't want to quit because of boos and had police looking for him in a suicide scare ain't bad!

Skooby

05-03-2012, 09:29 AM

Too much to read. Someone summarize.

I AM A BUSY MAN!

Vince Y's extended mental capabilities - 1 + 3 = 4

Fitz's extended mental capabilties -

e^(-y) dy = dx
∫ e^(-y) dy = ∫ dx
-e^(-y) = x + C

Vince left Buffalo without a contract, either way Fitz will remain the starter (health willing).

THATHURMANATOR

05-03-2012, 09:43 AM

:thurm2: Vince Young is awesome.
OK LETS SIGN HIM

Skooby

05-03-2012, 09:45 AM

No imminent contract for VY:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828d6076/article/no-deal-imminent-for-vince-young-in-buffalo?module=HP11_headline_stack

The last buffalo fan

05-03-2012, 10:00 AM

OK LETS SIGN HIM

:spit: :bow:

Extremebillsfan247

05-03-2012, 10:05 AM

Those are prime free agents, VY isn't one currently speaking. He can take his time and seek out the best offer. While Anderson and Williams needed to sign with Buffalo ASAP or they wouldn't at all. At this point in his career, best offer is probably not going to be much better than the NFL version of minimum wage. :biggrin:

Skooby

05-03-2012, 10:21 AM

:spit: :bow:

Si Mi Amigo, happy Cinco de Mayo!!

better days

05-03-2012, 10:37 AM

No imminent contract for VY:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828d6076/article/no-deal-imminent-for-vince-young-in-buffalo?module=HP11_headline_stack

I think Young is looking for a team that will give him a better chance to start than the Bills will. Reports are he looked good in his workout & I would not be surprised to see him sign with the Bills if he can't find a better offer.

#1 pick

05-03-2012, 11:37 AM

At this point in his career, best offer is probably not going to be much better than the NFL version of minimum wage. :biggrin:
We will see, I doubt it but we will see.

acehole

05-03-2012, 11:59 AM

This might be the best situation for him....that fact that he does not see it probably means it is not the best situation for us.

Mr. Pink

05-03-2012, 03:47 PM

That's not true. I see what you did. You took a couple true statements and then gave your opinion and based it off as a fact. Not cool.

If he was going to sign here, he wouldn't have left town without a contract.

Get over it, your homeboy ain't playing here.

justasportsfan

05-03-2012, 03:49 PM

The Candian stip clubs are pulling for VY to sign here.

TigerJ

05-03-2012, 08:30 PM

I wouldn't mind Buffalo signing Vince Young as a backup at all, as long as the team does their due diligence on his psychological stability.

The Beef

05-03-2012, 11:31 PM

I'm in the minority, but I'm cool with Vinc as the number too. I don't need to sw Thigpen or an UDFA have to fill in with Fitz hurting.

I like Fitz, he has a lot to prove though.

The defense should keep us in most games, and despite a true number two at WR, there are still plenty of weapons on offense to be dangerous.

Extremebillsfan247

05-04-2012, 10:40 AM

It would be interesting to get a couple of Eagles fans in here for a different point of view on the subject of Vince Young. :biggrin:

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 01:03 PM

If the Bills are smart, VY should be the starter.

ddaryl

05-11-2012, 01:19 PM

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http://i.imm.io/oXQX.png

Now who has more TD's, a better TD to INT ratio, more yards passing, and much better YPG, more throws over 20 yds, more throws over 40 yds, a better completion % and higher QB rating,

#1 fan... you and PTI are just not very bright.. or you just like spewing non-sense for whatever reasons

ServoBillieves

05-11-2012, 01:30 PM

I know it's a message board... but man... the spelling and grammatical errors are just atrocious in this thread.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 01:44 PM

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http://i.imm.io/oXQX.png

Now who has more TD's, a better TD to INT ratio, more yards passing, and much better YPG, more throws over 20 yds, more throws over 40 yds, a better completion % and higher QB rating,

#1 fan... you and PTI are just not very bright.. or you just like spewing non-sense for whatever reasons VY is a two time Pro Bowler.
He is 60% in terms of wins.
He extend plays.
ROY
Fitz is favorable to Orton and he's not even that good. Tebow>Orton. VY>Tebow, Tebow>>Fitz. Be smart, don't be a fool.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 01:49 PM

I never seen a forum so blindly support a scrub like Fitzpatrick like this. If you go to the NY Jets forum, they have Sanchez who is way more successful than Fitz and they want to run him out of town. Blind faith I guess.

ServoBillieves

05-11-2012, 01:50 PM

VY is a two time Pro Bowler.
He is 60% in terms of wins.
He extend plays.
ROY
Fitz is favorable to Orton and he's not even that good. Tebow>Orton. VY>Tebow, Tebow>>Fitz. Be smart, don't be a fool.

Did you seriously just say the Tebow was better than Fitz?

I honestly can't take you seriously if that's the case. That's just sad. I won't even acknowledge a response to this because WOW... As a pure quarterback he doesn't fit the bill, and as a hybrid he does well... Last I checked, hybrid does great in college football, and at the real level...

Man you know what, I can't even explain this. I feel we have 2 good QB's on this roster right now, but it could have been better put.

wmoz11

05-11-2012, 01:56 PM

I know it's a message board... but man... the spelling and grammatical errors are just atrocious in this thread.

Probably fitting since it's a Vince Young thread.

justasportsfan

05-11-2012, 02:01 PM

Fitzpatrick and Losman are the exact same except Fitz just has inflated stats by yards comparison, basically same inaccurate and bad decision maker for anything over 7 yards, horrible TD to INT ratio, and is basically a loser.

Now who has more TD's, a better TD to INT ratio, more yards passing, and much better YPG, more throws over 20 yds, more throws over 40 yds, a better completion % and higher QB rating,

PTI are just not very bright..

:roflmao:
PTI GOT PWNED

Joe Fo Sho

05-11-2012, 02:23 PM

I never seen a forum so blindly support a scrub like Fitzpatrick like this. If you go to the NY Jets forum, they have Sanchez who is way more successful than Fitz and they want to run him out of town. Blind faith I guess.

Who the frack is blindly supporting him??? 90% of this board is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for THIS SEASON. No one has said he's going to be a pro bowler or superbowl winner. If I'm wrong, please prove it.

Just because people disagree with you because you hate Fitz, doesn't automatically mean they love him. Listen when people talk.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 02:55 PM

Did you seriously just say the Tebow was better than Fitz?

I honestly can't take you seriously if that's the case. That's just sad. I won't even acknowledge a response to this because WOW... As a pure quarterback he doesn't fit the bill, and as a hybrid he does well... Last I checked, hybrid does great in college football, and at the real level...

Man you know what, I can't even explain this. I feel we have 2 good QB's on this roster right now, but it could have been better put.
Tebow is much better than Fitz. Fitz is trash man. He's worse than Orton. Orton is an average QB. Fitz is average till the cold comes and he becomes below average. He is in the range with Grossman, Redman, and Derek Anderson. He is a backup QB. I know he throws it better than Tebow but Tebow is a superior Football player. My issue with Tim is can he progress as a passer because if he doesn't, he will never be anything more than a spot QB. VY issue is system, coaching, and mental. If the system and coaching fit, VY can do the rest.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 02:57 PM

Who the frack is blindly supporting him??? 90% of this board is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for THIS SEASON. No one has said he's going to be a pro bowler or superbowl winner. If I'm wrong, please prove it.

Just because people disagree with you because you hate Fitz, doesn't automatically mean they love him. Listen when people talk.
Looks at his stats. Below Average
Looks at his winning %. Below Average
Looks at his tools: Underwhelming
Looks at his tape. Not impressed

Like I said, how can you blindly support a scrub like Fitz without any factual reason to do so?

xXSpIkes5IXx

05-11-2012, 03:21 PM

Looks at his stats. Below Average
Looks at his winning %. Below Average
Looks at his tools: Underwhelming
Looks at his tape. Not impressed

Like I said, how can you blindly support a scrub like Fitz without any factual reason to do so?

I think several members of the board are willing to give Fitz a pass because he played 9 games with cracked ribs and an injured sternum, and was performing at a very high level before that injury occured. There aren't many people who BLINDLY support him, but many of us who will give him this year to prove himself.

I believe Fitz's team also beat Tebow's team 40-14 last year, despite half their squad being put on IR by that point. Tebow threw 4 terrible interceptions to the 26th ranked defense in the league.

Also we all watched every Bills game last year, we have seen more Fitzpatrick than non-Bills fans. We are well aware of his strengths and weaknesses. We are much more educated on him than just glancing at a stats sheet.

Joe Fo Sho

05-11-2012, 03:23 PM

Looks at his stats. Below Average
Looks at his winning %. Below Average
Looks at his tools: Underwhelming
Looks at his tape. Not impressed

Like I said, how can you blindly support a scrub like Fitz without any factual reason to do so?

Oh, well if you aren't impressed with his tape we should cut him right now.

Jesus...stats aren't everything. The guy has played on some of the worst teams in the league throughout his career. He's not the type of QB that's going to win games by himself. There are very few QBs that can do that.

What the Bills are doing is trying to put decent team around him and hope that he performs adequately enough to get into the playoffs. They'd rather do that than start over with a different QB who has no chemistry with the offense.

So you want to start a headcase over a QB that has the backing of the offensive and defensive players on the team? And a headcase at that?? Get real, this isn't Madden.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 03:25 PM

I think several members of the board are willing to give Fitz a pass because he played 9 games with cracked ribs and an injured sternum, and was performing at a very high level before that injury occured. There aren't many people who BLINDLY support him, but many of us who will give him this year to prove himself.

I believe Fitz's team also beat Tebow's team 40-14 last year, despite half their squad being put on IR by that point. Tebow threw 4 terrible interceptions to the 26th ranked defense in the league.

Also we all watched every Bills game last year, we have seen more Fitzpatrick than non-Bills fans. We are well aware of his strengths and weaknesses. We are much more educated on him than just glancing at a stats sheet.
I respect your opinion but I disagree if you think because the Bills beat the Broncos that Fitz had a better year. Nothing to really says Fitz is a better player than Tebow. Tebow was rated by his own peers in the top 100 of the WHOLE NFL. Fitz is a footnote. But hey, I do respect your opinion and it was well throughout.

PTI

05-11-2012, 03:35 PM

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Now who has more TD's, a better TD to INT ratio, more yards passing, and much better YPG, more throws over 20 yds, more throws over 40 yds, a better completion % and higher QB rating,

#1 fan... you and PTI are just not very bright.. or you just like spewing non-sense for whatever reasons

I mean, it's like people think they are making a point when one guy is 74.4 and the other is 75.0.......wow. Neither has very good stats. Why don't you look at real stats? Like TD%, Fitz is 3.9% and Young is 3.5%, and INT%, Fitz is 3.7% and Young is 3.9%, there are no distinguishing differences in statistics for this guys at quarterback. Young has 6.9 YPA and Fitz is 6.3, but Fitz gets more yards.

Let's completely disregard wins and losses. Wow. Not only do many of you guys like taking ugly girls to the dance but you don't even care if you get laid either!!!!

ddaryl

05-11-2012, 03:43 PM

I mean, it's like people think they are making a point when one guy is 74.4 and the other is 75.0.......wow. Neither has very good stats. Why don't you look at real stats? Like TD%, Fitz is 3.9% and Young is 3.5%, and INT%, Fitz is 3.7% and Young is 3.9%, there are no distinguishing differences in statistics for this guys at quarterback. Young has 6.9 YPA and Fitz is 6.3, but Fitz gets more yards.

Let's completely disregard wins and losses. Wow. Not only do many of you guys like taking ugly girls to the dance but you don't even care if you get laid either!!!!

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xXSpIkes5IXx

05-11-2012, 03:48 PM

I respect your opinion but I disagree if you think because the Bills beat the Broncos that Fitz had a better year. Nothing to really says Fitz is a better player than Tebow. Tebow was rated by his own peers in the top 100 of the WHOLE NFL. Fitz is a footnote. But hey, I do respect your opinion and it was well throughout.

Tebow is grossly inaccurate as a passer, and makes horrible decisions. He completed 47 percent of his passes last year. You can't win with that in the NFL. His average yards per game was around 150. He is like Vince Young in the sense that his athleticism allows him to make some plays. I see Tebow's career going in the direction of Young's. Teams won't want him, because you can't contend for a championship with that at the quarterback position.

Fitz is no great quarterback, but Tebow's rockstar status as well as Denver's defense revival last year caused people to VASTLY overrate him. Remember there were rumblings of him getting cut before the season. John Elway knew he couldn't play, thats why he went so hard after Peyton Manning

Despite Fitz's absolute crap second half of the season. His QB rating was still 7 points higher than Tebow's.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 03:53 PM

Tebow is grossly inaccurate as a passer, and makes horrible decisions. He completed 47 percent of his passes last year. You can't win with that in the NFL. His average yards per game was around 150. He is like Vince Young in the sense that his athleticism allows him to make some plays. I see Tebow's career going in the direction of Young's. Teams won't want him, because you can't contend for a championship with that at the quarterback position.

Fitz is no great quarterback, but Tebow's rockstar status as well as Denver's defense revival last year caused people to VASTLY overrate him. Remember there were rumblings of him getting cut before the season. John Elway knew he couldn't play, thats why he went so hard after Peyton Manning

Despite Fitz's absolute crap second half of the season. His QB rating was still 7 points higher than Tebow's. Tebow is a sound decision maker. Terrible terrible passer. Because of his superior running skills, he gets more of a throwing lane than your pocket or balanced QB gets. Peyton Manning is superior to most guys in the NFL. It wasn't like he landed Orton or even worse, Fitzpatrick.

VY won games. VY is a decent passer. I really don't think you understand the game of Football. Tebow issue is critical due to the fact that he is a terrible passer. VY issue is he's not super smart. You have to use him in a game manager type of role like Jason Campbell but VY can create and is a playmaker who has a major will to win. VY won games with an offense who best player was LenDale White.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 03:58 PM

VY is just a much much better Football player than Fitz. Two Pro Bowls and a ROY is no joke. I would put him with Matt Ryan, Flacco, and guys like that. Fitz isn't close nor will ever get there. He just isn't that good.

better days

05-11-2012, 04:00 PM

Tebow is grossly inaccurate as a passer, and makes horrible decisions. He completed 47 percent of his passes last year. You can't win with that in the NFL. His average yards per game was around 150. He is like Vince Young in the sense that his athleticism allows him to make some plays. I see Tebow's career going in the direction of Young's. Teams won't want him, because you can't contend for a championship with that at the quarterback position.

Fitz is no great quarterback, but Tebow's rockstar status as well as Denver's defense revival last year caused people to VASTLY overrate him. Remember there were rumblings of him getting cut before the season. John Elway knew he couldn't play, thats why he went so hard after Peyton Manning

Despite Fitz's absolute crap second half of the season. His QB rating was still 7 points higher than Tebow's.

Well, since Tebow & the Broncos did win last year & beat the Steelers in a playoff game you have already been proven wrong. And the Bronco defense was not all that great they were very average.

#1 pick

05-11-2012, 04:04 PM

Well, since Tebow & the Broncos did win last year & beat the Steelers in a playoff game you have already been proven wrong. And the Bronco defense was not all that great they were very average.
It doesn't matter, in his mind a QB has to be one way to win.

Joe Fo Sho

05-11-2012, 04:12 PM

Tebow is a sound decision maker. Terrible terrible passer. Because of his superior running skills, he gets more of a throwing lane than your pocket or balanced QB gets. Peyton Manning is superior to most guys in the NFL. It wasn't like he landed Orton or even worse, Fitzpatrick.

VY won games. VY is a decent passer. I really don't think you understand the game of Football. Tebow issue is critical due to the fact that he is a terrible passer. VY issue is he's not super smart. You have to use him in a game manager type of role like Jason Campbell but VY can create and is a playmaker who has a major will to win.

Yeah Vince Young is the man! I'm shocked the Bills landed this superstar with all of the other teams knocking down his door..

xXSpIkes5IXx

05-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Tebow is a sound decision maker. Terrible terrible passer. Because of his superior running skills, he gets more of a throwing lane than your pocket or balanced QB gets. Peyton Manning is superior to most guys in the NFL. It wasn't like he landed Orton or even worse, Fitzpatrick.

VY won games. VY is a decent passer. I really don't think you understand the game of Football. Tebow issue is critical due to the fact that he is a terrible passer. VY issue is he's not super smart. You have to use him in a game manager type of role like Jason Campbell but VY can create and is a playmaker who has a major will to win. VY won games with an offense who best player was LenDale White.

You need to watch the Bills vs. Broncos highlights from last year. There is one play I remember where Tebow got rushed out of the pocket, ran towards the sideline for 3 seconds, then tried to throw back across his body to a receiver in the middle of the field. Needless to say it was intercepted by Justin Rogers, and could have been picked off by several other defenders as well.

It was the single handed worst play I have ever seen a QB make. His decision making is definitely below average based on what I've seen. John Fox did a great job minimizing his weaknesses by running an offense that only made him throw 15 times a game. THATS HOW BAD OF A QUARTERBACK HE IS.

Mr. Pink

05-11-2012, 05:22 PM

If he was going to sign here, he wouldn't have left town without a contract.

Get over it, your homeboy ain't playing here.

I am quoting myself because I was wrong...

I'm shocked that apparently ABSOLUTELY NO ONE else had any interest in this guy.

The Beef

05-11-2012, 06:00 PM

Not mad at the signing, it does run a risk of creating a QB controversy.

I do believe even if Vince didn't see a ton of time, if Fitz had a season similar toast year, VY could get a shot the year after.

I do believe Buddy and Chan would like a playmaker at QB. Buddy like Cam and Chan had some success with Kordell Stewart. Thigpen even is a guy who in his stint in KC was a spread/scrambler.

If all goes well Fiyz stays healthy and gets a bunch of wins and there's no question at QB.

It'll be interesting either way.

better days

05-12-2012, 09:55 AM

You need to watch the Bills vs. Broncos highlights from last year. There is one play I remember where Tebow got rushed out of the pocket, ran towards the sideline for 3 seconds, then tried to throw back across his body to a receiver in the middle of the field. Needless to say it was intercepted by Justin Rogers, and could have been picked off by several other defenders as well.

It was the single handed worst play I have ever seen a QB make. His decision making is definitely below average based on what I've seen. John Fox did a great job minimizing his weaknesses by running an offense that only made him throw 15 times a game. THATS HOW BAD OF A QUARTERBACK HE IS.

Well, how many games did you watch Tebow play? The Bills game was the worst of his NFL career. He looked MUCH better against the Steelers in the playoffs.

SABURZFAN

05-12-2012, 09:59 AM

Well, how many games did you watch Tebow play? The Bills game was the worst of his NFL career. He looked MUCH better against the Steelers in the playoffs.

are you STILL on Tebow's nuts, yordad? :rolleyes:

Marvelous

05-13-2012, 10:45 PM

Winning is a perk. W/ that being said I don have the " by and means neccessary" mentality. I want class & dignity with my .500