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  • Mike
    Registered User
    • Jan 2009
    • 3805

    How to create a Dynasty

    When you look at the NFL throughout the SuperBowl Era, one prominent feature of a champion comes across loud and clear. Most often, a team or two will dominate a decade they will be the perennial Superbowl winners, leaving all other 'conteders' to the relics of history. Often, only these winners are remembered, and those other contenders and their players are left behind as an asterisks on the bottom of a page, nothing more than a historical footnote. When you examine the qualities of Dynasties, a few prominent features become evident and from this study, one could see the ingredients necessary to build a Dynasty. Moreover, we can see which teams are on the horizon and destined for such glory.

    Ingredients for a Dynasty:
    1) Great QB: Without Questions all Dynasties had a Great Qb from Bart Star, to Bradshaw, to Montana, to Aikman, to Brady. All of these guys are Hall of Famers or future HOFs.
    2) Great Lines: Defensive and Offensive Lines were top of league
    3) WR/RB: In the early days they had great RB like Franco Harris, Roger Craig, E. Smith, Lin Swan, J. Rice, M. Irvin, recently Pats had Dillion, Walker, Moss, etc...
    4) Great Defenses: Defenses that could pass rush, stop the run/pass, elite Ds. I feel that that is the difference between the Pats teams than one SB and the ones that lost SBs, defense.
    5) Great Coaching: they had the premier coach of the era (B. Belicheck, J. Johnson, C. Noll, B. Walsh, V. Lombardi, T. Lombardi, etc.)


    Teams on the Dynasty Horizon:
    1. Green Bay: Have great QB, Coach, etc... already won a SB
    2. Giants: Already won 2 SB, have future HOF QB/Coach, good WR, great D-Line
    3. Eagles: great Coach, Defense, all comes down to QB.

    Future Looks Bright:
    4. Detroit: I know seems strange but they have a QB that threw over 5,000yards! Great WR, good coach, but their defense is awful. No matter, they have the key pieces of a champion: QB. Will they get the rest?
    5. Carolina: Imagine if Cam improves? He was the best rookie QB of all time! If there is zero improvement in his game, he would already be a top Qb. With a little improvement he can be a great QB. The major piece is in place, improving the lines, and weapons is next, but they have time.
    6. Colts/Redskins: They drafted best 2 QBs to come out in a decade. If these two guys are as good as advertised, look for them to become perennial contenders. See P. Manning's 12 winning season's as a reference point.
    7. Cincinnati: they are getting many of the pieces and are a very young team. It will all come down to Dalton and Coaching.

    Future Footnotes:
    1. Atlanta: sure they have a QB, somehow he does not excite me the way a John Elway did. He reminds more more of a Drew Bledsoe type.
    2. Baltimore: they might win a SB before its all said and done. for that they will be remembered but I do not see them becoming a Dynasty
    3. Chargers: only if they had better coaching. The Qb is good, very good, maybe great but he is approaching 30 and time is running out. Don't see a Dynasty. If they change coaches, a SB might be possible but its too late for much more.
    4. Houston: Day late and a dollar short. Are they a good team? Sure. Are they the next Dynasty? No
    5. Dallas: don't see them wining a SB but anything is possible. they have talent, but no way they become a Dynasty.
    6. 49ers: Simply, NO QB! Comes down to that and that alone. Secondly, I don't see how they get a HOF QB. They might win a SB sort of like the Ravens did in 2000, but that Ravens team never made it back to the big show.

    Other SB Winners
    1. Steelers: are 1/2 for SB in this decade, sure they might win another but that won't make them a Dynasty plus they are getting old.
    2. Saints: won one SB and Brees is getting older. There is little time left to become a Dynasty, plus it looks like this year is already a loss.

    How do the Bills Stack up?
    QB: average: if the Bills are ever to become relevant, that is a Dynasty, they need a HOF QB.
    Lines: Improving but not Dynasty Caliber
    Wr/Rb: ""
    Defense: bellow average
    Coaching: avereage

    Conclusion: Unless the Bills somehow land the next big Top QB, they virtually have no chance of becoming a Dynasty.
    Please Make Sense
  • Joe Fo Sho
    Making Spirits Bright
    • Mar 2006
    • 6194

    #2
    Re: How to create a Dynasty

    How about we worrying about making the playoffs before we worry about being a dynasty...which is something very few teams have ever done.

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    • buffalobillsfan95
      Registered User
      • Jan 2010
      • 524

      #3
      Re: How to create a Dynasty

      I disagree in a way. I think the stronger your team is the better the results. The bills looked amazing at the start, because it was a bunch of nobody's with a chip on there shoulder. We need players that make players better and that compliments each other. Look at the steelers, big Ben isn't that great, there oline was in shambles and defense that laid the hammer. Teams are better when they all work compliment together
      “The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” -Albert Einstein

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      • dog14787
        Registered User
        • Oct 2010
        • 1701

        #4
        Re: How to create a Dynasty

        Teams like the Ravens have proved good Defenses can also win Championships/Become Dynasty teams without in my opinion necessarily having an elite signal caller.

        Everyone knows I'm all for finding a franchise signal caller, its all I talk about every year, and I think the Nix/Gailey regime realizes how important it is, but the Nix Gailey Regime also realizes a good Football team is built from the Trenches out. I f we can't protect our QB ,and the Defense can't stop our opponent, a promising young QB prospect isn't really going to help right now. Atleast for the time being Fitzpatrick is so fast at getting rid of the football, he won't get killed playing the QB position like Trent Edwards.

        It pisses me off we didn't draft a signal caller, but I understand...

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        • k-oneputt
          Registered User
          • Jun 2009
          • 7131

          #5
          Re: How to create a Dynasty

          Punter. You can draft a punter in the 3rd. rd. and he might avg. two more yards a kick.

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          • Mike
            Registered User
            • Jan 2009
            • 3805

            #6
            Re: How to create a Dynasty

            Baltimore was never a Dynasty. The Steelers have had good teams and great Defenses since the early 90's but never won a SB until Big Ben. In fact, no teams has more SB than the Steelers and they have won all 6 with 2 different Qbs.

            I think that with the correct additions, this Bills team can become good/fun to watch. The begging of last season was great. That being said, at out best, I still think we are a Cinderella story. We can be like the Colts with Jim Hargbough(sp?) at QB that almost upset the Steelers to go to SB XXX. The Colts did not become great until going 2-14 in 1998 and drafting P. Manning.
            Please Make Sense

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86152

              #7
              Re: How to create a Dynasty

              Well, that's a new angle on the "Gaah! We need a franchise QB!!!" talking point.
              Identify all of the ingredients that are supposedly necessary to win a championship and become a dynasty, then completely ignore them and focus on a single position.
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              • Johnny Bugmenot
                Will not tolerate vandalism.
                • Apr 2006
                • 4311

                #8
                Re: How to create a Dynasty

                The other missing link: very weak competition in their division.

                Do you think the Patriots would've won three straight Super Bowls had the Bills and Dolphins not tanked at exactly the same time?

                Pittsburgh got their 1970s dynasty by getting into a division with expansion Cincinnati and Houston, a team that hadn't been good since the early 1960s.

                During the 49ers dynasty, their division included the Falcons and Saints, hardly league powerhouses.

                In order for the Bills to have a dynasty, the current dynasty (New England) must crumble first.

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                • Mike
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3805

                  #9
                  Re: How to create a Dynasty

                  The other missing link: very weak competition in their division.

                  Do you think the Patriots would've won three straight Super Bowls had the Bills and Dolphins not tanked at exactly the same time?

                  Pittsburgh got their 1970s dynasty by getting into a division with expansion Cincinnati and Houston, a team that hadn't been good since the early 1960s.

                  During the 49ers dynasty, their division included the Falcons and Saints, hardly league powerhouses.

                  In order for the Bills to have a dynasty, the current dynasty (New England) must crumble first.
                  I can see how this makes life easier for the Dynasty however I don't see it as necessary. In the late 1980's early 1990's the Cowboys became a Dynasty by wining a number of SB. Their Division was Stacked, and not just by good teams, but great teams. The NFC East during the late 1980-mid 90's was great. They had 3 Super Bowls Champion Teams which all won at least 2 SB each during that time period. The Redskins won a SB in the late 80's and one against the Bills, the Giants won a SB in the late 80's and one against the Bills, and the Cowboys won 2 SB against the Bills and another later on. In a 3 year span (90-93) all three of these teams: Giants, Redskins, Cowboys won a SB. Now, thats one tough division.
                  Please Make Sense

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                  • dog14787
                    Registered User
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1701

                    #10
                    Re: How to create a Dynasty

                    I've been wanting a Franchise QB for so long, I'm argued out already, I keep telling ewveryone we need a franchise signal caller, but it would also be nice to train him for a year or two, before he becomes the starter,

                    You win OP, I wanted Brock Osweiler, I wanted Russel Wilson, good grief, even Kelen Moore, VY, pls football Gods. I'm even looking in places like young men fresh out of prision, which you guys rememebr the name Casey Therriault out of Jackson State, because one day he's going to shock the football world, with his story, and his QB play.

                    To say dog14787 is desperate for a good QB is an understatement...I have to go cry now...

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                    • gonzo1105
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 776

                      #11
                      Re: How to create a Dynasty

                      Lol I love the first post. So to have a dynasty team you have to have a great QB,great RB/WR, a great Oline, a great defense, and great coaching. This is like the no crap post of the year. This is like saying hey if you have great players everywhere you might have a dynasty. Last time I checked having a great QB,WR,RB,Oline,Defense,and coach is essentially your whole team

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                      • NOT THE DUDE...
                        Formerly MARCELL DAREUS POWER, now posting as DANNY BATTEN POWER
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 8826

                        #12
                        Re: How to create a Dynasty

                        get a great qb, and you got a chance...

                        its that simple...

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                        • mightysimi
                          Buckle me in on the highway of sin
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 6331

                          #13
                          Re: How to create a Dynasty

                          Ingredients for a Dynasty:
                          1) Great QB: Without Questions all Dynasties had a Great Qb from Bart Star, to Bradshaw, to Montana, to Aikman, to Brady. All of these guys are Hall of Famers or future HOFs.
                          2) Great Lines: Defensive and Offensive Lines were top of league
                          3) WR/RB: In the early days they had great RB like Franco Harris, Roger Craig, E. Smith, Lin Swan, J. Rice, M. Irvin, recently Pats had Dillion, Walker, Moss, etc...
                          4) Great Defenses: Defenses that could pass rush, stop the run/pass, elite Ds. I feel that that is the difference between the Pats teams than one SB and the ones that lost SBs, defense.
                          5) Great Coaching: they had the premier coach of the era (B. Belicheck, J. Johnson, C. Noll, B. Walsh, V. Lombardi, T. Lombardi, etc.)
                          So Great Offence and Great Defence. Plus Great coaching. Is that all it takes? I don't know why more teams don't just do this then.

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                          • Mike
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 3805

                            #14
                            Re: How to create a Dynasty

                            Lol I love the first post. So to have a dynasty team you have to have a great QB,great RB/WR, a great Oline, a great defense, and great coaching. This is like the no crap post of the year. This is like saying hey if you have great players everywhere you might have a dynasty. Last time I checked having a great QB,WR,RB,Oline,Defense,and coach is essentially your whole team
                            The point of the thread does not lie in the obviousness of what is necessary for a Dynasty but in what is left out. Unless, you are a Dynasty, or a SB winner how well you perform will be forgotten. There have been many great teams that failed to win, failed to get over the hump and are nothing more than a footnote in NFL history. Its even hard to remember the SB losers!

                            So what the point? Very simply that the goal of ownership should be to build a Dynasty, not nearly a 'contender'. The problem for the Bills over the past decade has been their mediocrity. They were never good enough to make the playoffs or bad enough to land the top talent, instead stuck in the middle. This is a good receipt for continuation of mediocrity or at best becoming a second tier contender -ala 1970's Vikings, 80's Broncos, 90's Bills, 2000's Eagles- never to win the Big Game and as a result being forgotten about... a mere footprint in NFL history.

                            Lastly, each decade has 1-2 such teams and all effort should be towards being one of those teams. Giving yourself the chance.
                            Please Make Sense

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                            • Mike
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3805

                              #15
                              Re: How to create a Dynasty

                              Moreover, I can think of a few teams that benefited greatly from complete failure and a few that are on their way. Of course, the opposite also exist where poor management continues to make poor personnel decision which lead to further mediocrity.

                              From Worst to First.
                              1960's: Steelers were the laughingstocks of the NFL during the 60's which lead to high draft picks year after year. After getting Chuck Noll, a great coach, talent evaluator, etc.... the 1970's Steelers turned all of those top picks into great football players and a Dynasty during the 1970's.
                              1970's: 49ers were the laughingstock of the NFL, no one thought his franchise would go on to win multiple SB's. Year after year they got top picks. In the 80's they hired Bill Walsh who quickly unitized the talent at hand drafted continued to draft impeccably. 49ers became the Dynasty of the 1980's
                              1980's: Cowboys become a joke in the late 80's and Landry left and the Boys could not badly win a game! Jimmy Johnson came in, used those top picks on E. Smith, Aikman, etc... and quickly created the Dynasty of the 90's.
                              1990's: Two teams come to mind. First the Rams were god awful. Year after year they drafted in the top 5 and continued to suck. Then after getting a good coach, Faulk, and talent via their top picks (like Orlando Pace) and a little luck -Kurt Warner- they become a dominant team in the late 90's early 2000s. They would go on to loose the a Pats team that was considered the 'most unprepared' for the new decade. One year after going 5-11 B. Belichick took this underdog to the dance a won! Soon after, the Pats became the Dynasty of the 2000's wining a total of 3 SBs in 4 years.

                              Other Notable Mentions:
                              Giants were a pretender before getting Manning. They have won 2SBs with him at QB.
                              Colts were a joke before getting Manning. During his tenure they were the winningest team in NFL history, regular season, and went on to win 1/2 SBs.
                              Steelers had a down year which won them 2SBs??? What? Yes, Steelers were fortunate enough to have a down year the year Big Ben declared leading them to draft him in the Top 10 after which he won 15 straight games in his rookie season and eventually led them to 3 SBs and 2 wins.
                              Lions: after being dreadful for decades they finally got the QB they needed with the first overall pick. After a few setbacks and injuries, Stafford threw for over 5k yards and took the Lions to the playoffs.

                              Moral of the Story:
                              Often times in history the Great were once the basement dwellers. There is enough statistical research to support the notion that it is better to completely tank and get a great QB prospect than to be mediocre. As it appears, the Colts have had 1 loosing season since 98 and as luck would have it, they were awful enough to draft a great QB prospect which can lead them to a decade of winning and a potential Dynasty. None of this would have been possible if they went 6-10.
                              Please Make Sense

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