Tank Carder signed.

[The Spaz]

The Buffalo Bills have signed 5th Round Draft Pick LB Tank Carder. I also believe 7th round pick K John Potter is signed as well.

http://kmmsports.com/

[DraftBoy]

One thing I do like about the new CBA is how quickly it allows contracts to get done.

Don't like the ceiling, but that's a different story.

[Skooby]

I'm liking it.

[nolimit]

realistically...can this guy be a formidable lb?

[alohabillsfan]

One thing I do like about the new CBA is how quickly it allows contracts to get done.

Don't like the ceiling, but that's a different story.

Why?
1) It allows more trades in the top of round 1.

2) It prevents Jamarcus Russel and others from Stealing to much money.

3) It allows the proven players more money.

4) It pretty much ended 1st round hold outs

5) It allows good young players to get to FA faster.

[justasportsfan]

good! the sooner they sign the easier it is for them to take care of their family and concentrate on football

[THRILLHO]

With everything I have read about this dude he is the draft pick I am most excited about.

[DraftBoy]

Why?
1) It allows more trades in the top of round 1.

2) It prevents Jamarcus Russel and others from Stealing to much money.

3) It allows the proven players more money.

4) It pretty much ended 1st round hold outs

5) It allows good young players to get to FA faster.

1-Maybe, we need more time to figure that out but if the Redskins deal to #2 is an indication of things to come then maybe there should be less and not more trades.

2-Nobody stole anything, its ridiculous to categorize it as such

3-No it doesn't

4-That is a benefit

5-Another benefit

In the end I strongly believe that every player should be looking out for themsleves first. Football is a violent and tough game, if you're fortunate to one day play it for a living, you should go for as much cash as possible all the time. I don't understand people's disdain for hold outs or players asking for new deals because if you were in the same situation you would want the same.

We ask these guys to literally take years off their lives for our entertainment, but then we get upset because they make more than us.

I'll get off my soapbox and I know many people disagree with me, but Im not looking for a discussion on it in all honesty. Nothing can be said to change my mind about this topic. If some team values Sam Bradford at $78 Million than that's what he's worth. It may not be a good investment but that's on the individual team not on the player.

[methos4ever]

The biggest problem with it DB is the current players hung the future players out to dry because those guys didn't have a say at the time of the negotiations...

[stuckincincy]

The biggest problem with it DB is the current players hung the future players out to dry because those guys didn't have a say at the time of the negotiations...


When I worked in auto manufacturing, I found that union brotherhood ceased at about 50 cents' per hour wage difference - lay off X numbers of my brothers, or cut my pay 50 cents? So long, 'bros !

[Night Train]

I bet a BMX bike and a cattle lariat were part of the deal. :up:

[HAMMER]

ST Fodder.

[stuckincincy]

ST Fodder.

ST Fodder can be the difference between winning and losing. Field position matters. The Bills got their figurative bacon saved many a time by good ST play through the recent years. :peace:

[JCBills]

ST Fodder.

Because we're so deep at LB with a whopping 1 of them on the roster before the draft.

[HAMMER]

Because we're so deep at LB with a whopping 1 of them on the roster before the draft.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not the reason he will be a career backup. Buffalonians seem to like the guy because he has a cool name. Name is Tank but he plays like an H2.

[DraftBoy]

The biggest problem with it DB is the current players hung the future players out to dry because those guys didn't have a say at the time of the negotiations...

This is true but by doing that they sold themselves a bill of goods they'll never see.

One of the biggest issues vet players had was rookies getting outrageous signing bonuses and guaranteed money. The idea the NFL Commish sold to them was that if you cap rookies that guaranteed money and signing bonus money will come to them.

That's not true however, they won't see anymore than they are seeing now and owners make out like bandits by getting future stars for pennies on the dollar.

[k-oneputt]

Well the players union signed on so tough s***.

If they don't like it they can always fins another line of work.

[DraftBoy]

Well the players union signed on so tough s***.

If they don't like it they can always fins another line of work.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. There hasnt been one player whose complained about it.

[k-oneputt]

And they shouldn't.
Looks like you are the one complaining about it, and you don't count.

[stuckincincy]

:couch:

[DraftBoy]

And they shouldn't.
Looks like you are the one complaining about it, and you don't count.

Im not complaing, Im simply stating a disenting opinion on what was intended to be gained and what is actually being lost.

[ServoBillieves]

ST Fodder.

I'd love having a Tank running over people on the field.

[JCBills]

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not the reason he will be a career backup. Buffalonians seem to like the guy because he has a cool name. Name is Tank but he plays like an H2.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? I'd love to know what is going to happen before it does too.

[HAMMER]

Can I borrow your crystal ball? I'd love to know what is going to happen before it does too.

No you may not, you can't handle the truth.

[JCBills]

No you may not, you can't handle the truth.

When Hammer quotes Jack, does that make a JackHammer?

[YardRat]

This is true but by doing that they sold themselves a bill of goods they'll never see.

One of the biggest issues vet players had was rookies getting outrageous signing bonuses and guaranteed money. The idea the NFL Commish sold to them was that if you cap rookies that guaranteed money and signing bonus money will come to them.

That's not true however, they won't see anymore than they are seeing now and owners make out like bandits by getting future stars for pennies on the dollar.

Sorry, but I disagree completely.

Bradford got 78mil, 50 mil guaranteed, Newton got 22mil over 4 years, all of it guaranteed. As of March of this year, Carolina was only 1.3mil under the cap. Bradford's cap # for 2011 was roughly 12.465 mil, Newton's was just over 4mil. Under the old rules, Newton's contract would most likely have been slightly more than Bradford's, instead of almost 8.5mil less. Obviously the difference went to other players.

I can virtually guarantee that without the rookie salary cap and what the Bills would've had to pay Dareus as the #3 pick last season, there would be no way in hell that the team could have afforded to re-sign all of the following...

WR Stevie Johnson
K Rian Lindell
LS Garrison Sanborn
WR Ruvell Martin
TE Scott Chandler
LB Kirk Morrison
S Bryan Scott
RB Tashard Choice
OG Chad Rhinehart
OG Kriag Urbik

...not to mention extending Fitz AND signing Mario and Anderson.

[Meathead]

two pages and weve already used up all the tank jokes

god i miss ed wang

[Ed]

Sorry, but I disagree completely.

Bradford got 78mil, 50 mil guaranteed, Newton got 22mil over 4 years, all of it guaranteed. As of March of this year, Carolina was only 1.3mil under the cap. Bradford's cap # for 2011 was roughly 12.465 mil, Newton's was just over 4mil. Under the old rules, Newton's contract would most likely have been slightly more than Bradford's, instead of almost 8.5mil less. Obviously the difference went to other players.

I can virtually guarantee that without the rookie salary cap and what the Bills would've had to pay Dareus as the #3 pick last season, there would be no way in hell that the team could have afforded to re-sign all of the following...

WR Stevie Johnson
K Rian Lindell
LS Garrison Sanborn
WR Ruvell Martin
TE Scott Chandler
LB Kirk Morrison
S Bryan Scott
RB Tashard Choice
OG Chad Rhinehart
OG Kriag Urbik

...not to mention extending Fitz AND signing Mario and Anderson.
I think you're right. The Bills have millions in dead cap space because of Aaron Maybin. That's millions that they can't spend on a veteran player who's actually worth it.

Less cap space that goes towards unproven rookies means more cap space for proven veterans.

[Syderick]

Tank goodness we signed him

[better days]

Im not complaing, Im simply stating a disenting opinion on what was intended to be gained and what is actually being lost.

What EXACTLY is being lost? All this new CBA does is pay money to players that deserve it. They may not get the HUGE payday when drafted, but the deserving players will get paid well in their 2nd contract.

Players that don't deserve a huge payday & are drafted HIGH are the only players that lose out, too bad for them but BETTER for EVERYONE else.

[The Natrix]

I doubt he will amount to much. I hope I'm wrong.

[MikeInRoch]

This is true but by doing that they sold themselves a bill of goods they'll never see.

One of the biggest issues vet players had was rookies getting outrageous signing bonuses and guaranteed money. The idea the NFL Commish sold to them was that if you cap rookies that guaranteed money and signing bonus money will come to them.

That's not true however, they won't see anymore than they are seeing now and owners make out like bandits by getting future stars for pennies on the dollar.

I don't believe that there is any difference in the total amount of money going to players. It's just distributed differently. So while it may be worse for the stars, that means it's likely better for everyone else.

[bigbub2352]

i love this pick think this kid will be solid for us

[gr8slayer]

Tank goodness we signed him
I see what you did there.

[thenry20]

Well he's got the advantage over the other LB's on the team who haven't signed yet. I am not sure but can someone who knows tell us when the playbooks are distributed to the team?

[alohabillsfan]

QUOTE=DraftBoy]1-Maybe, we need more time to figure that out but if the Redskins deal to #2 is an indication of things to come then maybe there should be less and not more trades.

2-Nobody stole anything, it’s ridiculous to categorize it as such, Sure think what you like!

3-No it doesn't, Why is that? Don’t you think we need more time just like in response 1?

4-That is a benefit

5-Another benefit

In the end I strongly believe that every player should be looking out for themselves first. Sorry Not my Core Values..

Football is a violent and tough game, Try living in a tent getting shot at and mortared in Iraq or Afghanistan for a year before you talk violence and toughness.

We ask these guys to literally take years off their lives for our entertainment , but then we get upset because they make more than us. Oh yes they are putting their lives on the line, at 5 start hotels, room service, state of the art medical, private chatered jets! oh the sacrifice! LMFAO!


Please don’t say that I would do the same thing because it’s just not true. As a recently retired (30 years) member of the Armed Forces, I do know what sacrifice is, teamwork, and doing something you love for just that. It was not about me it was about the team.

[swiper]

two pages and weve already used up all the tank jokes

god i miss ed wang

For posterity:

Levitre gave Ed Wang good Wood.

[Bill Cody]

1-Maybe, we need more time to figure that out but if the Redskins deal to #2 is an indication of things to come then maybe there should be less and not more trades.

Why?



2-Nobody stole anything, its ridiculous to categorize it as such

"Stealing" is the wrong word but there's no doubt whatsoever that there have been numerous colassal busts at the top of the draft that because of their contracts have set teams back years. That can't happen anymore. Benefit.


3-No it doesn't
There is a salary cap in the NFL. Less money to rookies means more money to vets. Fact.



In the end I strongly believe that every player should be looking out for themsleves first. Football is a violent and tough game, if you're fortunate to one day play it for a living, you should go for as much cash as possible all the time. I don't understand people's disdain for hold outs or players asking for new deals because if you were in the same situation you would want the same.


We are all well aware of the nature of the game. The question is "should unproven rookies get paid like superstars before they've even taken a snap at the expense of proven vets? The answer to that question to most fans is pretty obvious.



We ask these guys to literally take years off their lives for our entertainment, but then we get upset because they make more than us.

Not really. You're confusing the issue. We're just saying players need to prove it on the field beofre they break the bank.



I'll get off my soapbox and I know many people disagree with me, but Im not looking for a discussion on it in all honesty. Nothing can be said to change my mind about this topic. If some team values Sam Bradford at $78 Million than that's what he's worth. It may not be a good investment but that's on the individual team not on the player.

No problem. Feel free to be stubbornly wrong.:D

[Bill Cody]

The Buffalo Bills have signed 5th Round Draft Pick LB Tank Carder

No idea how the guy is going to do but could he have any better name for a MLB?

[justasportsfan]

I hope he's not just another Coy Wire. ST demon but useless as a lb'er.

[stuckincincy]

I hope he's not just another Coy Wire. ST demon but useless as a lb'er.


There was jumping for joy when BUF drafted him. Now he is getting sliced to pieces.
What gives? :tap:

[Meathead]

retired (30 years) member of the Armed Forces
ty for your service bro