Speculation on the trade cost for T. Jackson?

[stuckincincy]

A 4th? Dunno.

[MikeInRoch]

6th.

[kingJofNYC]

7th

[Meathead]

troup

[stuckincincy]

7th

That's what CIN gave to STL for Fitz.

[Night Train]

A box of 8 Tracks

[Michael82]

I'm guessing a 6th, because I heard other teams were interested too.

[Skooby]

Conditional 6th.

[Meathead]

A box of 8 Tracks

live at budokan and 2112

[YardRat]

live at budokan and 2112

They'd have to throw in Foghat Live and the Outlaws to get the deal done.

[YardRat]

I'll go with a fourth, but hope it's actually players being swapped and not picks. Carrington, Roosevelt or Easley.

[stuckincincy]

I'll go with a fourth, but hope it's actually players being swapped and not picks. Carrington, Roosevelt or Easley.

Swaps are so rare these days. I have a very dim memory of CIN doing one a couple of years back.

Dunno what SEA needs. Carrington *might* get a minor sniff, but the other two could be traded for a Burger King coupon book. BUF had that nice 5 and 2, then went 1 and 8. It's like saying "this car I'm selling ran well, then everything went kabang. Wanna buy some parts"?

[DraftBoy]

Conditional 6th

[YardRat]

Swaps are so rare these days.

I know, but one can still hope.

[cookie G]

QB's who hold onto the ball too long REALLY aren't a fit for this offense.

Meh, he's a back up, I don't blame them for continuing their search.

[DraftBoy]

QB's who hold onto the ball too long REALLY aren't a fit for this offense.

Meh, he's a back up, I don't blame them for continuing their search.

Holding on to the ball can be a product of a system where you're asked to make a lot of reads both pre and post snap. Our system is basically a step further from the basic college spread. Instead of just one read and dump it/take off its basically two. Not saying this solves Jackson's issues or not, but the simpler system should at least give us a slight glimmer of hope.

[OpIv37]

I'm gonna say we got fleeced for a 4th on this one. You know Seattle watched our game from Saturday and desperation is not a good bargaining position.

[Skooby]

I'm gonna say we got fleeced for a 4th on this one. You know Seattle watched our game from Sunday and desperation is not a good bargaining position.

It was this past Saturday & ~100 previous gameday Sundays in a row, just to be clear.

[buffalobillsfan95]

Where's blame canada?

[BLeonard]

From what I've read, it's around the 5th-6th range...

-Bill

[cookie G]

Holding on to the ball can be a product of a system where you're asked to make a lot of reads both pre and post snap. Our system is basically a step further from the basic college spread. Instead of just one read and dump it/take off its basically two. Not saying this solves Jackson's issues or not, but the simpler system should at least give us a slight glimmer of hope.

It is more matter of protection than scheme. He won't be given 3 seconds on most occasions, much less 4 or 5.

If he can't get the ball out of his hands in 2, he's in trouble.

[OpIv37]

He can't get the ball out of his hands effectively in 2. If he could, we would have won the SB last year.

[dannyek71]

2 1sts and a conditional 3rd

[ServoBillieves]

A 5th. Goodbye VY and TT. TJax has always had a bad rep as a starter, even with his stats. He has great backup stats, which shouldn't be a bad thing. Want a starter as a backup? Deal with it or write the FO.

[Beebe]

Weren't they suppose to cut him.

[Mr. Pink]

A 5th or 6th based on performance is gonna be my guess.

[stuckincincy]

2 1sts and a conditional 3rd

Nah. A 2nd round pick in 2013 and a 1st in '14 *IF* he changes his name to J.P Jackson.

[DraftBoy]

Peter King says conditional 7th that rises to a 6th if Jackson is active for 6 games.

Good value!

[THATHURMANATOR]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WE GAVE UP A 7TH....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This means the Bills are in serious trouble....... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[OpIv37]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WE GAVE UP A 7TH....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This means the Bills are in serious trouble....... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Giving up a 7th? Not a big deal. The reality, though, is that if the situation was handled better starting earlier in the off-season or even last year, then we wouldn't have had to give up a 7th.

But, Buddy Nix can do no wrong, right?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Giving up a 7th? Not a big deal. The reality, though, is that if the situation was handled better starting earlier in the off-season or even last year, then we wouldn't have had to give up a 7th.

But, Buddy Nix can do no wrong, right?
They at least tried on Young. Can we not agree that was an honest effort?

[OpIv37]

They at least tried on Young. Can we not agree that was an honest effort?

It was an honest effort. But, it's also common knowledge that Young is dumb as a brick and has struggled on the field in the past. Was he the best available when they signed him? Maybe- I'd have to go back and look to see who else was out there. But, it just gets frustrating to see this team repeatedly trying and failing on stuff like this.

[THATHURMANATOR]

It was an honest effort. But, it's also common knowledge that Young is dumb as a brick and has struggled on the field in the past. Was he the best available when they signed him? Maybe- I'd have to go back and look to see who else was out there. But, it just gets frustrating to see this team repeatedly trying and failing on stuff like this.

Jackson was another name out there. We are trying him now.

Jackson is clearly more of a fit as he has some success as a passer. I know not a ton but some. Again he will be our backup.

[better days]

Peter King says conditional 7th that rises to a 6th if Jackson is active for 6 games.

Good value!

Active or plays? I don't know of any backup QB in the NFL that is not active every game, so if it is active, they may as well just call it a 6th rnd pick.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Active or plays? I don't know of any backup QB in the NFL that is not active every game, so if it is active, they may as well just call it a 6th rnd pick.
That is a good question! I would assume plays but who knows.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

They liked Jackson for a while. And it was completely unexpected that Seattle hit on Wilson (for now) and Jackson becomes available.

If anything is to blame, I still say drafting QB is the most difficult art in NFL and Nix/Gailey has not shown me much in that department. I'm on record to say home run QBs 99% time you have to draft. 3 years now Nix/Gailey didn't want to take the gamble and is taking the easy way out. It doesn't mean we can't win this year, but I doubt Fitz is someone you can win superbowl with.

[PromoTheRobot]

It's been reported on WGR it was for a 7th. Big whoop.

PTR

[PromoTheRobot]

Giving up a 7th? Not a big deal. The reality, though, is that if the situation was handled better starting earlier in the off-season or even last year, then we wouldn't have had to give up a 7th.

But, Buddy Nix can do no wrong, right?

Can you give me the Powerball numbers for this Wednesday?

PTR

[Skooby]

Conditional 6th

You were right: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article1025881.ece

[Buddo]

You were right: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article1025881.ece

Unless they've changed the article, that says a conditional 7th, which could become a 6th. If 'active' is the criteria, rather than playing, then it almost certainly will be a 6th.
No big deal tbh.

[OpIv37]

Can you give me the Powerball numbers for this Wednesday?

PTR

Um, Powerball is random.

Talent evaluation is not. Buddy Nix gets paid big money to evaluate talent, and has a whole staff of people who get paid big money to help him.

There is literally hours of game footage on both guys, plus Thigpen was here last year. They should have been able to tell months ago that Vince Young and Tyler Thigpen couldn't handle the job because that's what they get paid to do.

[DraftBoy]

Active or plays? I don't know of any backup QB in the NFL that is not active every game, so if it is active, they may as well just call it a 6th rnd pick.

Active, if he doesn't pick up the new offense, he won't be active.

[OpIv37]

Oh, and a 7th is kind of a "big whoop" for this team.

Our best defender is a 5th rounder. Our best WR is a 7th rounder. This team sucks at the high draft picks and, this year aside, isn't very active or successful in FA. They depend on mid-low round draft picks for success.

[better days]

Active, if he doesn't pick up the new offense, he won't be active.

So it will cost the Bills a 6th rnd pick. If he can't pick up the offense by the 2nd game at the latest, this trade would be a total waste because he only has this year left on his contract.

[Skooby]

So it will cost the Bills a 6th rnd pick. If he can't pick up the offense by the 2nd game at the latest, this trade would be a total waste because he only has this year left on his contract.

A conditional 6th, meaning there's a condition necessary to give that high of a pick to the trading team.

[Mr. Pink]

So it will cost the Bills a 6th rnd pick. If he can't pick up the offense by the 2nd game at the latest, this trade would be a total waste because he only has this year left on his contract.

Didn't they work on some contract talk before the trade? Thought I heard that but could be mistaken...

[better days]

Didn't they work on some contract talk before the trade? Thought I heard that but could be mistaken...

A one year contract, he can make a little over $3 Mill if he hits all incentives.

[better days]

A conditional 6th, meaning there's a condition necessary to give that high of a pick to the trading team.

The report is he has to be active for 6 games. Active means dressed, which a back up needs to be in order to play if the starter goes down.

[ServoBillieves]

To sum this up, he needs to be holding a clipboard and have shoulder pads on for 6 games to reach his incentive.

I still think this is a good move. If anything you just need to be a quick learner and mobile to understand Chan's offense, and if Vince couldn't nail it down after all this time with his athletic ability I'm pretty sure that TJacks will STILL catch on quicker. It will suck if he doesn't, because I don't want to see 3 QB's/a gadget 'QB' on the roster knowing that either Pigpen or Jacks will be cut and we might lose out on a player in waivers.

[Skooby]

To sum this up, he needs to be holding a clipboard and have shoulder pads on for 6 games to reach his incentive.

I still think this is a good move. If anything you just need to be a quick learner and mobile to understand Chan's offense, and if Vince couldn't nail it down after all this time with his athletic ability I'm pretty sure that TJacks will STILL catch on quicker. It will suck if he doesn't, because I don't want to see 3 QB's/a gadget 'QB' on the roster knowing that either Pigpen or Jacks will be cut and we might lose out on a player in waivers.

Bag of rocks > VY - Brains counter.

[PromoTheRobot]

Um, Powerball is random.

Talent evaluation is not.

You are right. At BZ talent evaluation involves seeing one play on TV backed up by minutes reading what a draft guru thinks, followed by hours of Madden on the PS3.

PTR