PFT on Tarvaris Jackson deal...

[JoeMama]

They're saying we're likely to give up a 5th or 6th.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/t-jack-deal-not-final-yet-with-salary-a-sticking-point/

I don't like it.

If the goal is to get better at QB, this is a lateral move at best.

With the added drawback that we actually have to sacrifice a draft pick.

I'm not a big fan of Vince Young but I'd rather stick with him as our #2 and retain our 5th or 6th round draft pick in 2013.

AND HERE'S AN IDEA... MAYBE WE CAN USE IT ON A QUARTERBACK!

[Night Train]

A 5th or 6th to make sure the season isn't over if Fitz goes down is priceless. We're drafting a QB in the 1st Round this coming April anyhow.

After seeing Young this pre-season, we stood ZERO chance of winning if Fitz was hurt...less than zero with Thigpen. An immediate move was needed to get him playing time this Thursday night and get a quick study on the playbook.


What is it with these late draft picks everyone values, as if they're made of gold and worth millions .." MY PRECIOUS ! " ??? That's NOTHING for actual QB insurance and we needed one now. The situation presented itself.

[JoeMama]

Really?

You actually think Tarvaris Jackson is a legitimate upgrade over Vince Young?

How? Why?

And how soon do you expect Jackson to grasp the playbook? He hasn't grasped it anywhere else. I don't see why he'll magically become a Rhodes Scholar in Buffalo out of the blue.

[jamze132]

I'm not really sure of the reasoning behind this move unless Buddy and Co. just didn't like what they saw from both Thigpen and VY. This leads me to believe they're going into the season blind at BU QB since both Thigpen and VY should be cut in the near future.

[EDS]

Obviously you do not trade for Jackson if you have any faith in either Thigpen or Young. Chan and Buddy clearly felt Young and Thigpen were awful so tey felt a move was needed. I like Jackson as a back-up QB, though I would not want him as a starter.

I think the QB position will be Chan and Buddy's undoing in Buffalo.

[THATHURMANATOR]

They're saying we're likely to give up a 5th or 6th.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/t-jack-deal-not-final-yet-with-salary-a-sticking-point/

I don't like it.

If the goal is to get better at QB, this is a lateral move at best.

With the added drawback that we actually have to sacrifice a draft pick.

I'm not a big fan of Vince Young but I'd rather stick with him as our #2 and retain our 5th or 6th round draft pick in 2013.

AND HERE'S AN IDEA... MAYBE WE CAN USE IT ON A QUARTERBACK!
That is NOT the goal at this point of the season. Are you kidding? Are we supposed to pick up a legit probowler?

Young proved without a doubt Saturday he can not handle being our backup. A 5th or 6th is nothing.

[methos4ever]

A 5th or 6th to make sure the season isn't over if Fitz goes down is priceless. We're drafting a QB in the 1st Round this coming April anyhow.

After seeing Young this pre-season, we stood ZERO chance of winning if Fitz was hurt...less than zero with Thigpen. An immediate move was needed to get him playing time this Thursday night and get a quick study on the playbook.



What is it with these late draft picks everyone values, as if they're made of gold and worth millions .." MY PRECIOUS ! " ??? That's NOTHING for actual QB insurance and we needed one now. The situation presented itself.

This trade is outstanding to me because they're getting a player for a 7th (!) Round pick that turns into a 6th that can get paid up to 3 mill to be a backup and actually do what they wanted Young to do: be a threat with his legs AND his arm.

[Forward_Lateral]

I see nothing wrong with this move. T Jax, while disliked by many, is a solid, solid backup. He's always gotten a raw deal wherever he's gone, IMO. He's got a career completion pct of 60%, and has thrown more career TDs than INTs. You can't really ask for much more in a backup. He also threw for over 3000 yards last season.

A huge upgrade over the steaming pile of garbage the Bills had at backup QB last year.

[SquishDaFish]

First off its a 7th rd pick that can be a 6th if hes active for 6 games. Thats the garbage rds IMO so its worth it

[YardRat]

I see it as a lateral move also, but will be very happy if proven wrong.

[MidnightVoice]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8306451/buffalo-bills-cut-vince-young-tarvaris-jackson-arrival-near

Jackson was scheduled to make $4 million this season, but that figure was restructured because the Bills deemed it to be too expensive for a backup player.....

and coach Chan Gailey has maintained that there's only room for one backup, because the No. 3 job is going to receiver/Wildcat specialist Brad Smith.

[DesertFox24]

First off its a 7th rd pick that can be a 6th if hes active for 6 games. Thats the garbage rds IMO so its worth it I thought it became a 6th if he started? At least that is what I heard.

Either way it will be hard for a 6th or 7th to make the team next year, but we will have to see how the seahawks draft or who goes around there.

[JoeMama]

That is NOT the goal at this point of the season. Are you kidding? Are we supposed to pick up a legit probowler?

Young proved without a doubt Saturday he can not handle being our backup. A 5th or 6th is nothing.

It's a moot point now that VY is gone.

But I fail to see how TJ is any better.

The guy is a textbook disappointment year in year out.

If Fitz goes down, I think we're screwed anyway. Jackson is just another dumpster fire QB to add to the mix.

[JoeMama]

Also, the good news here is that Peter King is reporting we're only giving up a 7th, which could turn into a 6th if Jackson is active for 6 games this year (probably).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/index.html#ixzz24kpuUYtL

[Michael82]

Also, the good news here is that Peter King is reporting we're only giving up a 7th, which could turn into a 6th if Jackson is active for 6 games this year (probably).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/index.html#ixzz24kpuUYtL


That's an excellent deal for a decent backup QB. Hopefully he never sees the field, but Im perfectly fine giving up a 6th at the most, if he does.

[Jeff1220]

Young - 60 1,304 755 57.9 21.7 8,964 6.9 149.4 46 3.5 51 3.9
TJax - 51 1,053 625 59.4 20.6 7,075 6.7 138.7 38 3.6 35 3.3

Since you asked, it appears that the biggest difference between VY and TJax appears to be the number in bold above. Wanna guess what it is?

[Mr. Miyagi]

INTs?

[Jeff1220]

Yep. All other things being similar between them, that's a pretty important difference as a b/u. VY can give a game away quickly with the number of picks he throws. TJax can at least safely manage a game, as well as make a play here and there. That's what's expected of a solid back-up QB - exactly what he is.

[Lexwhat]

Young - 60 1,304 755 57.9 21.7 8,964 6.9 149.4 46 3.5 51 3.9
TJax - 51 1,053 625 59.4 20.6 7,075 6.7 138.7 38 3.6 35 3.3

Since you asked, it appears that the biggest difference between VY and TJax appears to be the number in bold above. Wanna guess what it is?

Vince Young has attempted 1,304 passes in his career and has 51 INTs... That's an average of 1 INT per 25.6 attempts.
T.Jackson has attempted 1,053 passes in his career and has 35 INTs... That's an average of 1 INT per 30 attempts.

EDIT: Sorry, had the wrong numbers...

Anyway, it doesn't seem to be a drastic difference. Neither are that good at protecting the football.

[Jeff1220]

VY's TD:INT ratio is in the red. That alone says "no thank you"

[JoeMama]

Young - 60 1,304 755 57.9 21.7 8,964 6.9 149.4 46 3.5 51 3.9
TJax - 51 1,053 625 59.4 20.6 7,075 6.7 138.7 38 3.6 35 3.3

Since you asked, it appears that the biggest difference between VY and TJax appears to be the number in bold above. Wanna guess what it is?

That's a bit of a reach.

Young throws an INT once every 26 passes, Jackson every 30 passes.

And look, I'm not here to defend Young. I think he's a garbage dump quarterback.

I just don't get the myopic sense of relief that we got TARVARIS JACKSON as our #2.

He sucks too.

At this point we should all be praying Fitz doesn't get so much as scratched.

[Cali512]

One thing that no one has really mentioned is the fact that Jackson was forced to player in a WC offense in Seattle, and in Minnesota he ran a pro style. Hes strengths are strong arm, accurate on timing plays, mobility, toughness, and has the ability to put the football anywhere on the field. Weakness, accuracy when 1st-2nd WR arent open, misses some easy throws, takes unnessessary chances, and footwork when pressured, especially when dropping back. Young has played in the spread in Buf and Phi and the first few years in Tennesse basically ran the spread. Jacksons never ran the offense that works for him, mixed in with the fact that mentally the only thing that has been an issue is decision making. Never a head case, is respected, quiet but confident, and doesnt give up. Youngs issue was he was to in the media his first years, never earned respect, and will give up easily (as seen in the Pit game). Young fd up his last chance playing 2nd-3rd stringers. That looks even worse when you realize that for the past few weeks our WRs all have been fighting for the number 2 spot. So hes been playing with extremely hungry WRs and didnt get anything done. Honestly i think we ruined the chances of the players in the number 2 runnin because of Young/Thigpen, and Jackson is an upgrade.