Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

[JoeMama]

Completely agree.. 8.5 of his sacks came in 3 games. So remove those games and he had 4.5 in 13 games?

Fool's Gold.

Good logic.

I did the same thing with Adrian Peterson's numbers from 2012.

Get this... did you know that if you take away all his 100+ games, he totally sucked?

[GvilleBills]

This thread has sunk even lower.
Its very simple: Coastal is pot-committed to fools gold, he can't back down. Mario will need 225 sacks and the cure for cancer to get him to reverse his stance. Even then, Mario will be chastised because he's not a rah-rah leader and he signed a contract anyone on the planet would've signed.

25 pages, smmfh

[SquishDaFish]

I agree we all need to stop feeding the fn billszone secret Miami fan TROLL and move on. He is such a bonehead anyway

[stuckincincy]

This thread has sunk even lower.
Its very simple: Coastal is pot-committed to fools gold, he can't back down. Mario will need 225 sacks and the cure for cancer to get him to reverse his stance. Even then, Mario will be chastised because he's not a rah-rah leader and he signed a contract anyone on the planet would've signed.

25 pages, smmfh

It is a low thread, but a starting DE who over 16 games garners 38 total tackles, 28 of them solo, and 13 of them being sacks means that he stopped 15 ball carriers other that a qb on his own, is suspect. The Bills paid a high price for a one-trick pony.

[coastal]

Good logic.

I did the same thing with Adrian Peterson's numbers from 2012.

Get this... did you know that if you take away all his 100+ games, he totally sucked?
That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.

why is that?

[DraftBoy]

That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.

why is that?

Nothing about Joe's post was dishonest.

You trotting out HOF status (like it means anything) is however a dishonest argument.

[coastal]

I agree we all need to stop feeding the fn billszone secret Miami fan TROLL and move on. He is such a bonehead anyway
Says the bonehead who can't just help himself.

here... squishy, squishy, squishy...

[coastal]

Nothing about Joe's post was dishonest.

You trotting out HOF status (like it means anything) is however a dishonest argument.
How is it dishonest?

you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.

The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.

[pmoon6]

How is it dishonest?

you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.

The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.I hear Jason LaCanfora is quiting. There's a job for ya. You can be laughed at by the entire country instead of just in our little corner of cyberspace.

[JoeMama]

That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.

why is that?

The whole premise is ridiculous.

Look at any DE's game logs.

Sacks tend to occur in chunks.

You're looking for this perfect distribution of sacks so that a DE gets one every single game, as if that's how it works...

Robert Mathis had 19.5 sacks, 13 in six games.

Robert Quinn 19 sacks, 13 in five games.

Greg Hardy had 15 sacks, 10 in three games.

Those are the only three guys that had better sack totals than Mario this season. I guess they're all fool's gold too because they didn't abide by coastal's arbitrary laws of sack distribution.

Put the internet ego aside for 5 seconds and rejoin us in reality.

[coastal]

The whole premise is ridiculous.

Look at any DE's game logs.

Sacks tend to occur in chunks.

You're looking for this perfect distribution of sacks so that a DE gets one every single game, as if that's how it works...

Robert Mathis had 19.5 sacks, 13 in six games.

Robert Quinn 19 sacks, 13 in five games.

Greg Hardy had 15 sacks, 10 in three games.

Those are the only three guys that had better sack totals than Mario this season. I guess they're all fool's gold too because they didn't abide by coastal's arbitrary laws of sack distribution.

Put the internet ego aside for 5 seconds and rejoin us in reality.
Two of those guys have double the games sample size?

you're not very good at this are you?

[GvilleBills]

It is a low thread, but a starting DE who over 16 games garners 38 total tackles, 28 of them solo, and 13 of them being sacks means that he stopped 15 ball carriers other that a qb on his own, is suspect. The Bills paid a high price for a one-trick pony.
While those are good points, it seemed Pettine said "sic balls, Chopper!". Mario's job was to get to the QB, and only 3 guys did it better last year.
Very interested in his results this year. I think he gets more flack because of that ridiculous contract. That kind of bread, natural reaction is to expect him to lead the league in every category. But that contract is what it is, he just signed it. Signing it won't make him something he's not.

Like I said, very interested in the coming year.

[JoeMama]

Two of those guys have double the games sample size?

you're not very good at this are you?

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/JoeMama025/facepalm6.gif (http://s138.photobucket.com/user/JoeMama025/media/facepalm6.gif.html)

With no false modesty, I think I demonstrated that sacks occur in chunks pretty well.

Everyone's numbers look pedestrian if you take away their big games.

This schtick of yours isn't as cute as you think it is.

[DraftBoy]

How is it dishonest?

you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.

The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.

Yes but that has nothing to do with what Joe commented on, hence the dishonesty of the argument.

[YardRat]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/JoeMama025/facepalm6.gif (http://s138.photobucket.com/user/JoeMama025/media/facepalm6.gif.html)

With no false modesty, I think I demonstrated that sacks occur in chunks pretty well.

Everyone's numbers look pedestrian if you take away their big games.

This schtick of yours isn't as cute as you think it is.

Unless, of course, one is talking about Jairus Byrd, then the fact that 75% of his 'stats' were accumulated in 2 games against rookie QB's is irrelevant and he is a 'playmaker' that deserves the money.

[coastal]

Ok boys...

Were on the precipice of year 3 of Super Mario's stay in WNY!

what's your take?

Game changer? Worth it? Community icon? Leader?

Is this finally the year our beloved Bills reach the playoffs and is the highest paid player in this franchise's history the person that's going to help lead us there?

or was he just brought into sack the quarterback from time to time?

what say you?

[Blondie]

precipice

where do you learn words like this??

[coastal]

where do you learn words like this??
the Jesuits.

[Blondie]

WOW .. he made 13 SACKS last year??

He is paid 5.9 MILLION for a total of 23.5 sacks as his career at the BILLS ..

I see why Buffalo can't clean their city now... :D

[Fletch]

Ok boys...

Were on the precipice of year 3 of Super Mario's stay in WNY!

what's your take?

Game changer? Worth it? Community icon? Leader?

Is this finally the year our beloved Bills reach the playoffs and is the highest paid player in this franchise's history the person that's going to help lead us there?

or was he just brought into sack the quarterback from time to time?

what say you?

For nearly $100M we could have done a helluva lot better. Three or four good players.

[jimmifli]

http://i.imgur.com/RzWxO7Q.jpg

[coastal]

http://i.imgur.com/RzWxO7Q.jpg

[Mr. Pink]

Did Mario steal your lunch money or bang your wife?

Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.

[coastal]

Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.
:rofl:

Jerry Hughes rushes the passer too, and doesn't nearly cost as much.

[Blondie]

Did Mario steal your lunch money or bang your wife?

Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.

We'll if Mario wants to bang me it's gonna come with a hefty price tag :D

Tee hee

[Mr. Pink]

:rofl:

Jerry Hughes rushes the passer too, and doesn't nearly cost as much.

And he doesn't cost as much as Kyle Williams either. Is Kyle more fools gold?

[streetkings01]

81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF

All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.

[Mr. Pink]

81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF

All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.

I could see there being people thinking his contract was a problem if the team was up against the salary cap and it hinders them from adding another piece. But they're still 7 million away from the cap.

[coastal]

So I got you two knuckle heads down for "worth it".

jimmi is throwing an intellectual tantrum.

[coastal]

We'll if Mario wants to bang me it's gonna come with a hefty price tag :D

Tee hee
Achievable...

17017

[Mr. Pink]

So I got you two knuckle heads down for "worth it".

jimmi is throwing an intellectual tantrum.

The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.

Who else should the team have spent it on?

Hating on Mario cause he got paid is illogical.

[swiper]

I was about to suggest the ring thing.

Fool me once. Fool me twice.

[coastal]

The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.

Who else should the team have spent it on?

Hating on Mario cause he got paid is illogical.
Illogical?

The he highest paid player in the history of the whole franchise is a ****ing weirdo who takes plays off and doesn't put his heart and soul into the game!!!!

Rationalizing that signing is the epitome of illogical!

i bet if Daryl Talley could... he'd punch him in the ****ing mouth for being the football "player" he is.

illogical!?

You people are ****ing nuts.

[SpikedLemonade]

The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.

The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills

Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.

By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.

[ServoBillieves]

Did Fletch/coastal/Blondie revive this thread to have a conversation with himself? Impressive.

Mario is worth the contract and place on this team.

[SpikedLemonade]

The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.


It is a 4 year average -- 2013 to 2016 -- so the slary floor is not really a consideration yet.

[coastal]

The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.

The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills

Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.

By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.sorry.

the highest paid player in any organization better be "da man" or there's going to issues.

[SpikedLemonade]

sorry.

the highest paid player in any organization better be "da man" or there's going to issues.

I understand.

And he is definitely not "da man".

I just don't see where that money would have gone other than to more crap.

[Mr. Pink]

Illogical?

The he highest paid player in the history of the whole franchise is a ****ing weirdo who takes plays off and doesn't put his heart and soul into the game!!!!

Rationalizing that signing is the epitome of illogical!

i bet if Daryl Talley could... he'd punch him in the ****ing mouth for being the football "player" he is.

illogical!?

You people are ****ing nuts.

This ain't the 1990s NFL anymore and IDGAF what Daryl Talley says or thinks about the state of the NFL. Of course he's gonna be angry, he missed out on all of these big money contracts.

The dude is a 3 time pro-bowler and a 3 time all-pro. Basically every other year he's making one of those two lists as he's played 7 full seasons. Bruce was a 5 time all-pro and 3 time pro-bowler in his first 7 full seasons.

Mario could go out and put up a 60 tackle and 20 sack season and you'd ***** that he didn't break Strahan's record.

Again, who else should the money have gone to?

[Mr. Pink]

The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.

The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills

Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.

By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.

95% of the players in the NFL are overpaid.

That whole overpaid argument is beyond stupid and irrelevant.

[coastal]

I understand.

And he is definitely not "da man".

I just don't see where that money would have gone other than to more crap.
Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

[SpikedLemonade]

Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

With the Bills cap space room last year and this year, both of those players could have been easily signed despite Mario's contract.

The Bills incorrectly undervalued those two players.

That we we were operating with an internal salary cap under Ralph.

I hope things will be different under Pegula.

[coastal]

This ain't the 1990s NFL anymore and IDGAF what Daryl Talley says or thinks about the state of the NFL. Of course he's gonna be angry, he missed out on all of these big money contracts.

The dude is a 3 time pro-bowler and a 3 time all-pro. Basically every other year he's making one of those two lists as he's played 7 full seasons. Bruce was a 5 time all-pro and 3 time pro-bowler in his first 7 full seasons.

Mario could go out and put up a 60 tackle and 20 sack season and you'd ***** that he didn't break Strahan's record.

Again, who else should the money have gone to?
So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?

and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.

[Blondie]

Did Fletch/coastal/Blondie revive this thread to have a conversation with himself? Impressive.

Mario is worth the contract and place on this team.

Did you just throw a post in here for the sake of pretending you don't care??

[jimmifli]

The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.

The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills

Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.

By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.
Agreed 100% We got a pretty good player for the price of a great one. And we could have added other good players but chose not to.

As for culture problems? The head of the franchise is a salesman that hires cheap coaches who hire inexperienced coordinators. The players know the Bills aren't doing everything to win. Bringing in one overpaid pretty good DE isn't killing the winning culture that's been established in Orchard Park.

[Fletch]

81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF

All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.

He got paid much more than the three players that finished ahead of him in sacks last season.

He got paid much more than the 16 players that finished ahead of him in sacks in 2012.

He logged 13 sacks last season, the team had 57 for a franchise record sacks. The result, a 20th ranked scoring Defense and a 6-10 record, again.

So what's not sinking in for you in this discussion?

I mean if you want to continue to evaluate Mario's contributions in a vacuum, keep on going, you're doing a fine job.

This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.

[Mr. Pink]

Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

Byrd should have been paid, point blank, period.

Levitre was fine to let go if the team would have kept Rinehart. Letting both go was beyond idiotic.

[Mr. Pink]

So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?

and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.

Wouldn't you be bitter watching guys do the same job you did 25 years ago but getting paid 10 times for it? And Talley constantly mentions players of today and their behaviors.

And your argument against Mario isn't his onfield production, you think he's supposed to be a role model, a leader and vocal.

He's never gonna do any of those three things.

[Mr. Pink]

This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.

The team is still under the cap and could sign a couple more midlevel players to win more games.

And who should they have brought in instead?

[SquishDaFish]

Agree with everything MR.Pink has said. I really think he beat you for lunch money or something.

[jlgarsh]

Mario makes the other 3 defensive lineman out there with him better. Kyle, Marcel, and Hughes all had career highs in sacks playing next to him. Most of the time, he gets double teamed, allowing the rest of them to make plays. The defense was not the reason we were 6-10 last year. We gave the ball away in our own territory on multiple occasions, and our D held firm most of the time. If the team can get average QB play this year, the D will carry them to the playoffs.

[pmoon6]

What does a players' contract have to do with anything? If you want to go that route, how much is Peyton Manning being paid to choke in Super Bowls.

As far as Daryl Talley, very few that put on a Buffalo uniform had a bigger heart or worked harder. Perfect type of player for WNY. It's well documented that he made Bruce Smith better. It's not documented, but the DL seems to have elevated their game last year and Mario is a part of that.

I am like Talley. I chafe at the present state of the NFL. The Defense is severely hampered by the rule changes, written and unwritten. When the offensive line is allowed to clutch grab and pull to protect marquee QB's who they don't want to go down to injury, the NFL has become a psuedo Arena League. Then again, that's what douchebag fans want...records broken and lots of points. Too bad those records are meaningless because the game has changed to such a great extent.

[Fletch]

The team is still under the cap and could sign a couple more midlevel players to win more games.

And who should they have brought in instead?

You have to have a certain level of intelligence in order to be able to participate in a discussion as such.

Your points and take are so in a vacuum that it's ridiculous. Purely ridiculous.

[Fletch]

Mario makes the other 3 defensive lineman out there with him better. Kyle, Marcel, and Hughes all had career highs in sacks playing next to him. Most of the time, he gets double teamed, allowing the rest of them to make plays. The defense was not the reason we were 6-10 last year. We gave the ball away in our own territory on multiple occasions, and our D held firm most of the time. If the team can get average QB play this year, the D will carry them to the playoffs.

BS

Talk about trolling.

Kyle's been one of the best DTs in the game and that didn't just happen in 2012.

The rest of the stuff that you absurdly attribute to Mario had primarily to do with the system last season.

Also, presumably you've missed the discussions earlier in the offseason and preseason where I posted links to analyses that clearly painted the picture that Mario was the worst of our linemen, all of them, not just the starters, at setting the edge as they like to say.

Sounds like you need to do a little homework first before coming into a discussion like this.

That's the problem with forums like this, anything sounds intelligent, but most of it isn't. "Making the guys around him better" is an overused and gratuitously used cliche that's become meaningless. So is the part about sustaining double teams, which is also false by the way, thereby allowing other defenders to make plays.

It sounds great, just like on TV, but unfortunately you're wrong.

Mario's not worth $100M or anything close. Anyone insisting that he is doesn't understand football.

[Night Train]

:deadhorse

:shortbus:

[Mr. Pink]

You have to have a certain level of intelligence in order to be able to participate in a discussion as such.

Your points and take are so in a vacuum that it's ridiculous. Purely ridiculous.

ie... you have nothing further to add so instead of staying on topic you resort to basically name calling.

Got it :up:

[The Jokeman]

He got paid much more than the three players that finished ahead of him in sacks last season.

He got paid much more than the 16 players that finished ahead of him in sacks in 2012.

He logged 13 sacks last season, the team had 57 for a franchise record sacks. The result, a 20th ranked scoring Defense and a 6-10 record, again.

So what's not sinking in for you in this discussion?

I mean if you want to continue to evaluate Mario's contributions in a vacuum, keep on going, you're doing a fine job.

This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.
and if Mario isn't on this team do you think underpaid Jerry Hughes racks up double digit sacks? Or what about Kyle and Dareus making the Pro Bowl? I don't but who knows that offseason we landed Mario I though a more realistic expectation was to sign Wallace Gilberry who's put up 14.0 sacks in two seasons for the Bengals compared to the 23.5 Mario has here.

[jlgarsh]

BS

Talk about trolling.

Kyle's been one of the best DTs in the game and that didn't just happen in 2012.

The rest of the stuff that you absurdly attribute to Mario had primarily to do with the system last season.

Also, presumably you've missed the discussions earlier in the offseason and preseason where I posted links to analyses that clearly painted the picture that Mario was the worst of our linemen, all of them, not just the starters, at setting the edge as they like to say.

Sounds like you need to do a little homework first before coming into a discussion like this.

That's the problem with forums like this, anything sounds intelligent, but most of it isn't. "Making the guys around him better" is an overused and gratuitously used cliche that's become meaningless. So is the part about sustaining double teams, which is also false by the way, thereby allowing other defenders to make plays.

It sounds great, just like on TV, but unfortunately you're wrong.

Mario's not worth $100M or anything close. Anyone insisting that he is doesn't understand football.

Kyle Williams was a pro bowler before Mario came, but you're telling me it was solely scheme that made Hughes and Dareus better? Why is Hughes still paying well on the other end, when we changed coordinators? You disagree with me, therefore I'm trolling? I've been called many things in life, but never a troll. I don't get to post here as often as I'd like, but my low post count doesn't mean that I only chime in occasionally to spout nonsense. Mario directly led to us beating the Dolphins last year with the strip-sack of Tannehill, and his 4.5 sacks against Carolina helped keep us in the game before EJ drove the offense down the field. Mario's contract has not prevented us from bringing in other good players, so what's the difference? Is there a defensive player in football worth $100 million? Probably not. However, with the cap going up, salaries will keep rising, and in time it won't be such an outlier. By the way; How did this thread even get started back up? There are way more pressing issues with this team than the size of Mario Williams contract. Here are some:

1.) Future owners
2.) Potential stadium locations, costs, and financing
3.) current QB situation (Manuel, Tuel, Palmer, etc)
4.) Jim Kelly
5.) the differences between this coaching staff, and other recent staffs
6.) Training camp and preseason observations
7.) what do the Bills do with CJ Spiller?
8.) predictions for the season

let's talk constructively, and share opinions without name calling...this is a message board, not grade school.

[swiper]

With the Bills cap space room last year and this year, both of those players could have been easily signed despite Mario's contract.

The Bills incorrectly undervalued those two players.

That we we were operating with an internal salary cap under Ralph.

I hope things will be different under Pegula.

Wilson always operated with that. That's why the team never performed to their full potential. That and Marv Levy not being able to get his players to bed without prostitutes the night before the Super Bowl.

[Fletch]

Kyle Williams was a pro bowler before Mario came, but you're telling me it was solely scheme that made Hughes and Dareus better? Why is Hughes still paying well on the other end, when we changed coordinators? You disagree with me, therefore I'm trolling? I've been called many things in life, but never a troll. I don't get to post here as often as I'd like, but my low post count doesn't mean that I only chime in occasionally to spout nonsense. Mario directly led to us beating the Dolphins last year with the strip-sack of Tannehill, and his 4.5 sacks against Carolina helped keep us in the game before EJ drove the offense down the field. Mario's contract has not prevented us from bringing in other good players, so what's the difference? Is there a defensive player in football worth $100 million? Probably not. However, with the cap going up, salaries will keep rising, and in time it won't be such an outlier. By the way; How did this thread even get started back up? There are way more pressing issues with this team than the size of Mario Williams contract. Here are some:

1.) Future owners
2.) Potential stadium locations, costs, and financing
3.) current QB situation (Manuel, Tuel, Palmer, etc)
4.) Jim Kelly
5.) the differences between this coaching staff, and other recent staffs
6.) Training camp and preseason observations
7.) what do the Bills do with CJ Spiller?
8.) predictions for the season

let's talk constructively, and share opinions without name calling...this is a message board, not grade school.

Easy Jackson!

:peace:

I never call anyone a troll seriously, it's always jokingly or facetiously. The term gets thrown around here regularly and has lost any and all meaning. It's usually used by posters that do post regularly and don't like the content of another's posts. I know you're not a troll, hardly anyone here is, yet if you believed the labels and cheap name calling, as you say, grade-schoolish behavior, there are many.

Having said that, great post, and more astute than most here. Agree that Kyle was a pro-bowler before Mario got here, therefore my attack on the statement that Marios presence' made him better.

I agree with some of your points but not with others. To address the latter ones:



Why is Hughes still paying well on the other end, when we changed coordinators?

Actually we don't know yet, let's wait to see how the season plays out. Last season was a pass-rush happy defense, yet we allowed 3 more passing TDs than we had the season prior despite setting a franchise record for sacks and what, 3rd ever best in INTs? We ranked 20th in scoring. How do we reconcile those things other than to state that the sacks were overblown. As I've pointed out to many posters, we had 10 combined sacks against Atlanta and NO and yet still allowed 30 some points and great passing days against both teams. Again, we have to reconcile that before declaring Pettine's defense as being good.


Mario's contract has not prevented us from bringing in other good players, so what's the difference?

The reasons you gave are really not reasons. Anytime you drop $100M on a player it prevents you from spending that money elsewhere.

This issue is more than simply an exercise in whether or not Mario was worth that much, he wasn't, but it's more an exercise in how does one build a winning football team. For an answer to that, from a contract perspective, look at the Pats or Seahawks more specifically, and how much their players get paid.

Mario was signed here to put fannies in the seats coming off another miserable 6-10 campaign. Everyone in the organization foolishly thought, for some unbeknownst reason, that sacks translated to wins despite the glaring lack of evidence of that elsewhere in the league. So they went out and broke the bank on Mario.

But saying that dropping $100M on Mario did not hinder us from signing any other players is the same as saying that dropping $66M on Fitzpatrick didn't prevent us from signing any other players, which is ridiculous.

I look forward to interacting with you in the future.

[jlgarsh]

Easy Jackson!

:peace:

I never call anyone a troll seriously, it's always jokingly or facetiously. The term gets thrown around here regularly and has lost any and all meaning. It's usually used by posters that do post regularly and don't like the content of another's posts. I know you're not a troll, hardly anyone here is, yet if you believed the labels and cheap name calling, as you say, grade-schoolish behavior, there are many.

Having said that, great post, and more astute than most here. Agree that Kyle was a pro-bowler before Mario got here, therefore my attack on the statement that Marios presence' made him better.

I agree with some of your points but not with others. To address the latter ones:



Actually we don't know yet, let's wait to see how the season plays out. Last season was a pass-rush happy defense, yet we allowed 3 more passing TDs than we had the season prior despite setting a franchise record for sacks and what, 3rd ever best in INTs? We ranked 20th in scoring. How do we reconcile those things other than to state that the sacks were overblown. As I've pointed out to many posters, we had 10 combined sacks against Atlanta and NO and yet still allowed 30 some points and great passing days against both teams. Again, we have to reconcile that before declaring Pettine's defense as being good.



The reasons you gave are really not reasons. Anytime you drop $100M on a player it prevents you from spending that money elsewhere.

This issue is more than simply an exercise in whether or not Mario was worth that much, he wasn't, but it's more an exercise in how does one build a winning football team. For an answer to that, from a contract perspective, look at the Pats or Seahawks more specifically, and how much their players get paid.

Mario was signed here to put fannies in the seats coming off another miserable 6-10 campaign. Everyone in the organization foolishly thought, for some unbeknownst reason, that sacks translated to wins despite the glaring lack of evidence of that elsewhere in the league. So they went out and broke the bank on Mario.

But saying that dropping $100M on Mario did not hinder us from signing any other players is the same as saying that dropping $66M on Fitzpatrick didn't prevent us from signing any other players, which is ridiculous.

I look forward to interacting with you in the future.

I look forward to interacting with you as well. This looks to be the most talented Bills team in a long time at the skill positions....it all comes down to QB.

[WagonCircler]

Look at MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Look at MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

[coastal]

Look at MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Look at MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Ok... we are. This is what I see...

17022

[WagonCircler]

"Look at meeeee!!!!!! I recycle 2 year old threads because nobody's paying attention to meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Fletch]

I look forward to interacting with you as well. This looks to be the most talented Bills team in a long time at the skill positions....it all comes down to QB.

The potential is there for the WRs but they still have much to prove.

I can't disagree more, again, on the DBs though. I don't think they're very talented. McKelvin sucks as a CB and always has, last season he was more a beneficiary of the system than anything else. Gilmore hasn't stepped up to become the CB we thought we were getting with the 10th overall pick in 2012. The rest of the DBs range from average to less.

The LBs are going to be weak, very weak, against the pass this season.

As to the RBs, Brown and Dixon haven't proven a thing yet in the NFL and neither has had any success on 3rd downs. Spiller too has had no success on 3rd downs, all three are role-players of varying sorts, not one is a 3-down RB. Which leaves us with only Jackson as a true 3-down RB, and he's the oldest RB in the league. This is season where age starts to become a big factor for him. He's my favorite Bills RB, right up there with Thurman, but he's finished.

TE is weak for us.

I just graded the units in another thread, here are those grades:

DL - A-
OL - B
RBs - B- (Only because Jackson's 33 and the oldest RB in the league, C- w/o Jackson)
WRs - C+ (Until Watkins, Woods, and Williams step up quite a bit)
LBs - C-
DBs - C-
TEs - C-
QB - D

[Novacane]

Is Williams even playing today cause he's invisible

[coastal]

DJ Fluker is handling him.

[TacklingDummy]

DJ Fluker is handling him.

Who?

Mario made his 1 play for the game when he slammed the Chargers RB to the ground.

[gr8slayer]

Haha, the thread that just won't die.

[BertSquirtgum]

DJ Fluker is handling him.

You're getting handled by Blondie

[Blondie]

You're getting handled by Blondie

I am not allowed to talk right now ... even my words are button pushers.

I always imagine you to be just like coastal .. this tough guy exterior but a big soft bear on the inside :D

[pmoon6]

Haha, the thread that just won't die.It's because you have morons that want to polish their knobs when a player doesn't have a good game.

BTW, Mario was getting held quite often.

[coastal]

BTW, Mario was getting held quite often.so punch someone in the mouth and make something happen.

Or is being a tough guy only something you do on the internet?

[pmoon6]

so punch someone in the mouth and make something happen.

Or is being a tough guy only something you do on the internet?Personally, given the NFL rules, written and unwritten, and I was a DC or a player, I would target the QB's knees AND punch someone in the mouth.

Oh and no need to make this personal. But if you insist, we can have a nice smackfest or you can visit me in the mountains if you like.

I doubt it because you wittle toesies would get too cooood.

Thats the trouble with Florida. It even turns guys that are 57% male into total women.

Now, make me a sandwich, *****.

[coastal]

Personally, given the NFL rules, written and unwritten, and I was a DC or a player, I would target the QB's knees AND punch someone in the mouth.
Something Mario didn't do.

the rest is just you trying to impress your new BFF wagonboy.

[WagonCircler]

Something Mario didn't do.

the rest is just you trying to impress your new BFF wagonboy.

Yeah, whine about thanks on other people's posts.

That's not low rent or anything.

What a f u cking whiney little *****.

[coastal]

Yeah, whine about thanks on other people's posts.

That's not low rent or anything.

What a f u cking whiney little *****.
Putting spaces in between your letters so you can swear without being censored... u hardcore.

lolz.

[pmoon6]

Something Mario didn't do.

the rest is just you trying to impress your new BFF wagonboy.Really?????

Is this high school **** or something?

"Well, if you are friends with HIM, then I don't like you anymore".

BTW, I have always enjoyed reading Wagon's posts as I have yours. I may not agree and I may give you ****, but I like them none the less.

I know, ya'll can recreate the Battle Of The Buffalo Range. You and Wagon can go back and forth and then Limp Dicked Lemonade can be your helper. I'll stay neutral and just be entertained.

[Novacane]

Did Mario play today?

[Mr. Pink]

Did Mario play today?

Did anyone in the secondary?

[BertSquirtgum]

Did Mario play today?

Did the offensive line play?

[coastal]

Mario Williams sucks.

he needs to be flushed this offseason.

dareus and Hughes need to be re-upped and we need a dominant guard.

[Novacane]

Did the offensive line play?

They played like **** as usual but Mario makes more than the 5 of them combined. When you spend big money you expect big results. We seldom get them from Mario.

[Fixxxer]

this thread gets more ******ed by every bump post.

[BertSquirtgum]

this thread gets more ******ed by every bump post.

Seconded

[Novacane]

Mario or Hughes. If you can only have one of them which one do you want?

[DraftBoy]

Mario or Hughes. If you can only have one of them which one do you want?

I don't think Hughes has the success he is having without teams having to account for Mario.

Look at the first running play from today's game. Mario is lined up Wide 9 tech. He beats the TE, and gets the pulling OL to force Ridley to bounce the run upfield early and Bradham cleans up for a nice TFL. That's a play Mario made by himself but doesn't get credit for it. He's getting doubles and chips while Hughes is seeing one on one blocking.

Tons of credit to Jerry Hughes for making plays, but the hate Mario gets (solely due to his contract and not his play) is ridiculous.

[swiper]

Mario Williams sucks.

he needs to be flushed this offseason.

dareus and Hughes need to be re-upped and we need a dominant guard.

If for no other reason, to rid us of this thread.

[swiper]

UPDATE: Mario Williams at 12 sacks.

NFL leader has 13.

Yep. He's fool's gold.

[Night Train]

So for all you waving the pom-poms at the 'sign Super-Mario' bus, let me ask you this... Did I start a dumb thread ?



Yes

[coastal]

Listen up mouth breathers. There's a couple of ways to look at this and only Mario can help us figure out what is real.

1.) Mario has found a home here in WNY where his peculiar personality has been left undisturbed and hence... the best is being brought out. The fall storm of 2014 was the final baptism of the shovel toting Williams and he is officially now a WNY'er and a Buffalo Bill!

or...


2.) Mario produced against a team who no longer has the will to punch anyone in the mouth. Rex Ryan was dead man walking before the season began. They've turned to a dog beater to lead them. If there's a more dysfunctional organization than the Bills, the Jets might be it. This is exactly the type of game that Fool's Gold produces his stats in. Meaningless.

so which is it?

there's 5 games left against some really good teams with less than stellar RTs. Mario, along with his $100 million contract, can put this team and our subsequent dreams on his shoulders by leading this team into our first playoff appearance in 14 years.

Only Mario can answer this.

Or are some garbage sacks against garbage teams enough to warrant making him the highest paid Bill in history?

[HAMMER]

Just admit you were wrong.

[Novacane]

He was a beast last night. I wish we'd see more of that!

[coastal]

Just admit you were wrong.
Just admit you're lucky that breathing is an involuntary reflex.

[Don't Panic]

Just admit you're lucky that breathing is an involuntary reflex.

Still fighting the fight even though the dude has a dozen sacks (and many more TFL). I admit that we need to see more of this down the stretch against some tougher competition, but the last thing I would call Mario right now is Fool's anything.

[coastal]

For the price... my avatar needs to be incorrect.

anything less, what's the point?

[Joe Fo Sho]

For the price... my avatar needs to be incorrect.

anything less, what's the point?

Your argument is pretty well tied to the contract that we gave Mario and the fact that he wasn't worth it, which is a fine stance to take. Whether a player is worth their contract can be a very subjective argument, unless the guy sucks or is playing lights out. You could argue either way with Mario, as proven by the fact that this thread is 30 pages long and still going. Since I know your opinion of Mario, I'll ask you a different question.

Taking that same stance about the price of obtaining a certain player, what's your opinion of Sammy? What would he have to do in order for you to consider him worth his price? Is he already worth it?

I know it's a little off topic, but I'd like to hear your view on Sammy compared to Mario. They are probably the 2 priciest acquisitions that the Bills have on their team right now.

[k-oneputt]

Anyone who thinks Mario is "Fool's Gold" is the fool and is clueless about this game.

I didn't reply to this thread until now because of how ridiculous it is. I can't believe it is 30 pages and still going.

[trapezeus]

and will marcel's upcoming contract also make him fool's gold? or will it only make some people look like fools.

[coastal]

Your argument is pretty well tied to the contract that we gave Mario and the fact that he wasn't worth it, which is a fine stance to take. Whether a player is worth their contract can be a very subjective argument, unless the guy sucks or is playing lights out. You could argue either way with Mario, as proven by the fact that this thread is 30 pages long and still going. Since I know your opinion of Mario, I'll ask you a different question.

Taking that same stance about the price of obtaining a certain player, what's your opinion of Sammy? What would he have to do in order for you to consider him worth his price? Is he already worth it?

I know it's a little off topic, but I'd like to hear your view on Sammy compared to Mario. They are probably the 2 priciest acquisitions that the Bills have on their team right now.
I think Sammy is an elite talent... producing as a rookie... with a bad groin.

hes a great pick at 4.

we gave up a lot to get him. I believe it was a desperate move by Whaley driven by the timing of the ownership change and fear for his own job security. Russ Brandon supported it as a big splash move that's marketable.

the loss of the first and fourth round pick can perhaps be offset with smart free agent signings.

[coastal]

Anyone who thinks Mario is "Fool's Gold" is the fool and is clueless about this game.

I didn't reply to this thread until now because of how ridiculous it is. I can't believe it is 30 pages and still going.
I'm too cool to reply, but I'm going to reply just to point out how cool I am.

pathetic.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I think Sammy is an elite talent... producing as a rookie... with a bad groin.

hes a great pick at 4.

we gave up a lot to get him. I believe it was a desperate move by Whaley driven by the timing of the ownership change and fear for his own job security. Russ Brandon supported it as a big splash move that's marketable.

the loss of the first and fourth round pick can perhaps be offset with smart free agent signings.

I'm understanding this as you saying that we gave up too much for him, but that you're OK with the fact that we did it? Is that right?

[coastal]

I'm understanding this as you saying that we gave up too much for him, but that you're OK with the fact that we did it? Is that right?
No.

i wouldn't have done it.

it is what it is at this point though. Thanks for trying to steer this into some sort of false equivalency.

back to the sandbox with the rest of booger eaters for u.

[Joe Fo Sho]

No.

i wouldn't have done it.

it is what it is at this point though. Thanks for trying to steer this into some sort of false equivalency.

back to the sandbox with the rest of booger eaters for u.

Haha, man you really are a piece of ****.

[Pinkerton Security]

Anyone who watched the game last night knows Mario is far from fools gold. Suck it coastal, admit you know absolutely nothing about football and troll your way around this board.

[Mahdi]

Anyone who watched the game last night knows Mario is far from fools gold. Suck it coastal, admit you know absolutely nothing about football and troll your way around this board.

Our DL would be average without Mario. His bull-rush is impressive and he is simply dominating folks with it.

Against the run he's been more than solid. Mario is what makes our DL gold.

[coastal]

U people crack me up.

[Night Train]

U people crack me up.

Irony makes another house call.

[coastal]

Irony makes another house call.
so what's your prediction for the last 5 games and the Mario's role in it all?

[gr8slayer]

Good God, the thread that just won't die.

[justasportsfan]

I'd like to see Mario do it against the Pats. Lets see how he does vs. Denver , GB etc. These guys are way less mobile that Vick so it shouldn't be a problem, you think.

[DraftBoy]

I'd like to see Mario do it against the Pats. Lets see how he does vs. Denver , GB etc. These guys are way less mobile that Vick so it shouldn't be a problem, you think.

You're talking about two of the smartest QB's with the quickest releases in the game. It has nothing to do with mobility.

[coastal]

You're talking about two of the smartest QB's with the quickest releases in the game. It has nothing to do with mobility.
And when it matters... not just when Mr. Million Dollar ring happens to be feeling good about himself for driving his tractor around the neighborhood.

[Mahdi]

I'd like to see Mario do it against the Pats. Lets see how he does vs. Denver , GB etc. These guys are way less mobile that Vick so it shouldn't be a problem, you think.

The way Manning, Brady and Rodgers move inside the pocket is like no other QBs. Brees also. So they don't have to run 4.6.

You have to get to these guys fast (2 seconds or less) and you have to be ready to get your hands on them when they try to step up in to the pocket to avoid the rush.

The good news is that Rodgers and Manning like to throw longer routes and they also have weak links at RT.

Bulaga is solid but Mario should be able to dominate him.

Brady is the wild card because his short game is unstoppable right now. The ball is out in 1.5 seconds so your DL is eliminated from the game. Our Lbs and CBs will have to have a crazy game for us to win. And if he holds the ball for longer than 2 seconds we need sacks and fumbles.

However, we have a game against Cleveland this week and they pose other challenges. Their WRs are good and if Jordan Cameron is back he will be a tough matchup. Hoyer is smart and simple which has hurt us in the past (Tannehill, Smith)

[gebobs]

End this thread. The Bills defense has proven their worth and anyone that even breathes "fool's gold" about Mario is an ass. This is, across the board, the best d line in franchise history. And how they make the shortcomings of the other defensive corps is nothing less than incredible.

The Bills aren't ready for prime time yet, but next year they will be on everyone's radar. A couple of moves like Boobie and Hughes and they will be something to be reckoned with. Let's all hope Fred turns into the Gordie Howe of football.

[DraftBoy]

And when it matters... not just when Mr. Million Dollar ring happens to be feeling good about himself for driving his tractor around the neighborhood.

It mattered a lot last night. A loss and the season was officially over.

[coastal]

It mattered a lot last night. A loss and the season was officially over.fair enough...

[SquishDaFish]

Coastal is nothing but a TROLL. Just admit you are wrong and move on. This is the best DL in the history of the Bills and Mario is a BIG part of that

[coastal]

Coastal is nothing but a TROLL. Just admit you are wrong and move on. This is the best DL in the history of the Bills and Mario is a BIG part of that
If he goes all Justin Tuck on Brady and pushea this team into the playoffs... I will gladly admit I am wrong!

[Historian]

I dunno.

100 million isn't what it used to be.

:idunno:

[WagonCircler]

I dunno.

100 million isn't what it used to be.

:idunno:

Giancarlo Stanton has that in the cracks of his couch.

[swiper]

There's only one mouth-breather here.... and we all know who it is. Don't bother him when the tide is out or the 49ers are playing.

[Mouldsie]

He's shown up in the last 2 games when it mattered most. He's a great player and I'm glad to have him on this team! Nobody gives a **** if his cap hit is high, he's helped this D become dominant

[WagonCircler]

He's shown up in the last 2 games when it mattered most. He's a great player and I'm glad to have him on this team! Nobody gives a **** if his cap hit is high, he's helped this D become dominant

Not only that, but he makes the other lineman better. This D-Line is definitely the best we've ever had, and it's because there are no weak links.

[chernobylwraiths]

Mario CAN BE a great play, and I wish he would play to that level more often.

But he certainly doesn't "suck". That goes along with the mindset of todays kids thinking that everything is either great or it sucks.

[DraftBoy]

I think people are too focused on his stat sheet and are missing his influence. To say he's shown up in the last two games especially is an insult to the level he's played at all season. Mario has been a beast against the run and pass.

[starrymessenger]

Idk, I sorta like seeing a 300 lbs DE chase down Michael Vick from behind.
Especially when he's in a Bills uni.
But that's just me I guess.

[HAMMER]

Mario has had a much larger impact on our defense than the number of sacks he has put up. Many people around here just see bright shiny objects.

[pmoon6]

Coastal must be working on his second bag of dicks since starting this BS.

Can we go for 3 years and 100 pages so he gets his fill?

Something tells me he will never be satiated though.

[gr8slayer]

I dunno.

100 million isn't what it used to be.

:idunno:

That's actually a really valid point, it just isn't what it used to be. We already have a $100 million LT, I anticipate seeing several more in the next couple of years.

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I dunno.

100 million isn't what it used to be.

:idunno:

That's actually a really valid point, it just isn't what it used to be. We already have a $100 million LT, I anticipate seeing several more in the next couple of years.

[stuckincincy]

I think people are too focused on his stat sheet and are missing his influence. To say he's shown up in the last two games especially is an insult to the level he's played at all season. Mario has been a beast against the run and pass.

He has pedestrian tackle totals for a DE with such playing time - always has - and worse if you subtract sacks. If a runner comes close to his shoulder, he does make a half-hearted effort to tackle him...I give him that. But he's a snap to beat when he's not rushing a quarterback. Williams is an oversized linebacker who gets the big bucks because of the rah-rah for sacks. He doesn't disrupt OL play that I've ever seen, and is rarely in any position to influence the movement of a runner. How many times have you seen him string out a play? Has he ever made a downfield tackle?

He is an incomplete DE. I suspect HOU let him go because they saw that.

[swiper]

He has pedestrian tackle totals for a DE with such playing time - always has - and worse if you subtract sacks. If a runner comes close to his shoulder, he does make a half-hearted effort to tackle him...I give him that. But he's a snap to beat when he's not rushing a quarterback. Williams is an oversized linebacker who gets the big bucks because of the rah-rah for sacks. He doesn't disrupt OL play that I've ever seen, and is rarely in any position to influence the movement of a runner. How many times have you seen him string out a play? Has he ever made a downfield tackle?

He is an incomplete DE. I suspect HOU let him go because they saw that.

WTF is wrong with certain people? String out plays? I just watched him run down Michael Vick to the opposite sideline. You missed that play? Not to mention all the times opposing teams put the blocking TE on him (as a second blocker) so Jerry Hughes can perform his magic off the other side. Was it your money they paid to him?

[DraftBoy]

He has pedestrian tackle totals for a DE with such playing time - always has - and worse if you subtract sacks. If a runner comes close to his shoulder, he does make a half-hearted effort to tackle him...I give him that. But he's a snap to beat when he's not rushing a quarterback. Williams is an oversized linebacker who gets the big bucks because of the rah-rah for sacks. He doesn't disrupt OL play that I've ever seen, and is rarely in any position to influence the movement of a runner. How many times have you seen him string out a play? Has he ever made a downfield tackle?

He is an incomplete DE. I suspect HOU let him go because they saw that.

I could give two dumps about his tackle #'s. Again that's stat watching, and not based on what is actually going on in the field. He's forced countless runs this year to either reverse field, cut inside early, or bounce outside against their design. Those never show up in a stat box but are huge impacts on the game. I've seen disrupt the OL play this year constantly. Don't know if you're just not watching him or what.

I don't care about down field tackles with a DE but to answer your question I think so against Miami he made one on a wide running play.

[swiper]

People still expect him to be superman because of that contract. I admit I wanted that for a long time too. But the fact is he has carved out a very effective niche at his DE position. His being there, doing what he does, has elevated the play of all the other players on the defense. So in that sense, he was worth the money paid to him.

[WagonCircler]

He has pedestrian tackle totals for a DE with such playing time - always has - and worse if you subtract sacks..

Classic.

If you subtract the Home Runs, Babe Ruths RBIs were pedestrian.

Asinine.

[better days]

He has pedestrian tackle totals for a DE with such playing time - always has - and worse if you subtract sacks. If a runner comes close to his shoulder, he does make a half-hearted effort to tackle him...I give him that. But he's a snap to beat when he's not rushing a quarterback. Williams is an oversized linebacker who gets the big bucks because of the rah-rah for sacks. He doesn't disrupt OL play that I've ever seen, and is rarely in any position to influence the movement of a runner. How many times have you seen him string out a play? Has he ever made a downfield tackle?

He is an incomplete DE. I suspect HOU let him go because they saw that.

You don't even watch the games.

How would you know if Mario makes an effort or not?

Or if he is a snap to beat or not?

The fact is this is pure BS. You don't know what you are talking about.

Mario is very GOOD setting the edge against the run.

[swiper]

And Mario embarrasses coastal once again.

[coastal]

He had one tackle.

[casdhf]

He owned his half of the field. Good second half

[YardRat]

Classic example of why statistics shouldn't be a benchmark of a player's value...another strong outing by Mario.

[pmoon6]

He had one tackle.:rofl:

Just stop.....

[coastal]

Stop?

talk to me four games from now.

ill make my decision then.

[DraftBoy]

Stop?

talk to me four games from now.

ill make my decision then.

You made your decision long ago, why would the next four games matter?

[coastal]

You made your decision long ago, why would the next four games matter?
The opportunity is Mario's...

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

give it up DB, everybody has their schtick.

coastal hates Mario
TD hates EJ
Hurkey hates spiller and Marone
Fletch hates Sammy and pmoon hates everyone

[HHURRICANE]

Mario Williams is our best player....

Period.

[coastal]

Mario Williams is our best player....

Period.
Delusional

[DraftBoy]

The opportunity is Mario's...

But you have already showed an inability to be objective, so again what does the next four games have to do with anything?

[coastal]

what does the next four games have to do with anything?only a fool wouldn't know.

[DraftBoy]

only a fool wouldn't know.

So basically it means nothing...that's what I thought. This charade is simply a "look at me" attention thread.

[BertSquirtgum]

give it up DB, everybody has their schtick.

coastal hates Mario
TD hates EJ
Hurkey hates spiller and Marone
Fletch hates Sammy and pmoon hates everyone

I may hate Marrone but if the Bills finish 10-6. I would be ok with the Bills keeping him for another year.

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Delusional

Yes, you are.

[Historian]

I think the entire D line should be starting in the Pro Bowl.

[gebobs]

I may hate Marrone but if the Bills finish 10-6. I would be ok with the Bills keeping him for another year.

The Bills will be fortunate to win 9. With Denver and Green Bay shooting for home field, don't expect them to let up on the gas. And they just can't beat the Patriots...ever.

No way is Marrone getting fired though.

[Woodman]

Delusional

That does seem appropriate for you, wear it.

[pmoon6]

Stop?

talk to me four games from now.

ill make my decision then.How are the 49ers doin'? What? The same record as the Bills' you say????

Then again, we knew you weren't really a fan of the team.

You just like the "alternate lifestyle" cheerleaders who are switch hitters and dress in drag. I think that 43% has increased drastically.

[pmoon6]

pmoon hates everyone:rofl:

Moi??

[Blondie]

So every person but Coastal thinks Mario is worth his salary?

[alohabillsfan]

Coastal=Padawan learner
Rest of Board= Jedi Council

[BertSquirtgum]

So every person but Coastal thinks Mario is worth his salary?

Yes

[elroy16]

So every person but Coastal thinks Mario is worth his salary?



He may not be worth every cent he's paid, but he sure as **** isn't fools gold.

[stuckincincy]

Mario Williams remains what he is - a sack first player, same as last season. Hardly ever plays a complete "DE" game - he has but 27 solo tackles, including his sacks and a measly 4 assists. Mario helps nobody but himself.

[HAMMER]

Oh look, it's the Long Tooth Troll.

[stuckincincy]

Oh look, it's the Long Tooth Troll.

Oh look the San Diego chappie who despises vocabulary pipes up again.

[The Jokeman]

Mario Williams remains what he is - a sack first player, same as last season. Hardly ever plays a complete "DE" game - he has but 27 solo tackles, including his sacks and a measly 4 assists. Mario helps nobody but himself.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Mario sets the age many times and takes on one or two blockers which allows guys like Bradham and Brown fill the hole and takle RBs.

[The Jokeman]

So every person but Coastal thinks Mario is worth his salary? Remember any of these guys from 2011? Lionel Dotson, Dwan Edwards, Jarron Gilbert, Kellen Heard and Kyle Moore. I'm very happy with Mario and his salary as that offseason I thought we'd be lucky to land Wallace Gilberry as an UFA.

[pmoon6]

So every person but Coastal thinks Mario is worth his salary?He basically said Mario Williams sucks which is dumb on it's face.

He also refuses to recant no matter how well Mario plays.

[coastal]

Mario has all of the opportunity sitting right here in front of him over the next month.

will be finally shut coastal up or will be rise to the occasion like he did when he faked that gay wrist surgery.

[swiper]

You should be more supportive of the gay and lesbians.

[k-oneputt]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Mario sets the age many times and takes on one or two blockers which allows guys like Bradham and Brown fill the hole and takle RBs.

Whoa whoa Jokeman. You are know at a whole different level of football that many here can't understand. All some look at and know is how many tackles did he have to decide if he played well.

[elroy16]

Whoa whoa Jokeman. You are know at a whole different level of football that many here can't understand. All some look at and know is how many tackles did he have to decide if he played well.


Unless it's one of the LB's or DB's with a lot of tackles, because then for some reason it means they sucked in pass coverage and tackled guys 8 yards behind the LOS in the run game.

[swiper]

Mario's teammates surely don't agree with coastal.

[Blondie]

Ok .. is Mario hall of famer material?

[Woodman]

this thread belongs in the deep dark never to be opened zone.

do you guys have one of those?

[pmoon6]

Ok .. is Mario hall of famer material?Hard to say. He has a while longer to play barring injury. Only sub morons elect a player halfway through his career to the HOF.

[feldspar]

this thread belongs in the deep dark never to be opened zone.

do you guys have one of those?

Yeah, it's called coastal's ass.

[stuckincincy]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Mario sets the age many times and takes on one or two blockers which allows guys like Bradham and Brown fill the hole and takle RBs.

I appreciate that he sets an edge for others, I don't appreciate that he doesn't get solo tackles commensurate with his playing time, and I don't appreciate his exceedingly high cost that tends to slam the door on FA acquisitions as well as current player re-signings.

HOU let him go and adequately replaced his efforts. Mario is a terrific pass rusher, which has value of course, but he is what he is - a one-trick pony. He reminds me of another DL. Sam Adams.

[elroy16]

Now we all take PFF with a grain of salt, but still, it's obvious Mario is doing more than some will give him credit for.




Edge Rushers: Von Miller, DEN (+19.4) and Mario Williams, BUF (+12.5)
This was Miller’s best four-week spell of the season to date in terms of grade as he continues to be the driving disruptive force in the Broncos’ defense; almost as much of an expected selection in these teams as Watt at this stage. Opposite him on the team is Williams, one of only three edge rushers to top Miller’s 20 total pressures this month. Williams’ 23 pressures (7 Sk, 2 Ht, 14 Hu) on 121 pass rushes saw him finish the month with the highest Pass Rushing Productivity rating (15.7) for any 4-3 defensive end.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/03/pff-all-star-team-3rd-quarter/2/

[HHURRICANE]

Best player on the team

[mightysimi]

I appreciate that he sets an edge for others, I don't appreciate that he doesn't get solo tackles commensurate with his playing time, and I don't appreciate his exceedingly high cost that tends to slam the door on FA acquisitions as well as current player re-signings.

HOU let him go and adequately replaced his efforts. Mario is a terrific pass rusher, which has value of course, but he is what he is - a one-trick pony. He reminds me of another DL. Sam Adams.

How is his contract stopping us from getting other FA's? Are we up against the cap all of a sudden?

[better days]

I appreciate that he sets an edge for others, I don't appreciate that he doesn't get solo tackles commensurate with his playing time, and I don't appreciate his exceedingly high cost that tends to slam the door on FA acquisitions as well as current player re-signings.

HOU let him go and adequately replaced his efforts. Mario is a terrific pass rusher, which has value of course, but he is what he is - a one-trick pony. He reminds me of another DL. Sam Adams.

Mario is not a one trick pony.

He plays the run very well.

And he is double teamed much of the time.

And the cost of Mario's contract will not inhibit the Bills from signing anyone else.

And exactly how many ENTIRE Bills games have you actually watched to come to your WRONG conclusion?

[better days]

And with the way Clowney's career is going, I bet many Texans fans would welcome Mario back in a heartbeat.

[wolfpack]

Paul Hamilton (https://twitter.com/pham1717) retweeted

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/517404394313097216/3OUJLc0w_bigger.png Buffalo Bills PR ‏<s>@</s>BuffaloBillsPR (https://twitter.com/BuffaloBillsPR) <small class="time"> 10m10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BuffaloBillsPR/status/540522975427297280)</small>
Mario is the first Bill to win Defensive Player of the Month honors since LB Sam Cowart in November 2000.

[Night Train]

Paul Hamilton (https://twitter.com/pham1717) retweeted

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/517404394313097216/3OUJLc0w_bigger.png Buffalo Bills PR ‏<s>@</s>BuffaloBillsPR (https://twitter.com/BuffaloBillsPR) <small class="time"> 10m10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BuffaloBillsPR/status/540522975427297280)</small>
Mario is the first Bill to win Defensive Player of the Month honors since LB Sam Cowart in November 2000.

That golden fool !

[WagonCircler]

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Mario-Williams-named-AFC-Defensive-Player-of-the-Month/722cedb2-929b-4971-b43a-e585137149eb?campaign=fb_buf_article

• For the month, Williams has totaled an AFC-best 6.5 sacks.

• Williams is tied for fourth in the NFL with 12.0 sacks this season and has produced double-digit sacks in each of his three seasons with the Buffalo Bills.

• Williams produced 3.5 sacks at Miami in Week 11 for the best single-game output by an AFC defender in November.

• In Week 12, Williams totaled 2.0 sacks, two tackles for loss and three quarterback hits in the Bills 38-3 victory over the New York Jets.

• Williams anchors a Bills defense that ranks first in the NFL in sacks with 48 and third down percentage at 33.3. Defense also ranks first in the AFC allowing 18.1 points per game.

• Williams led Buffalo’s defense as the unit allowed a total of 13 points in the last two weeks of the month – two wins against the NY Jets (38-3)and the Cleveland Browns (26-10).

• Williams’ play helped the Bills win the final two games of the month and head into December with seven wins for the first time since the 2000 season.

• In his ninth season from North Carolina State, this is Williams’ first career player of the month award.

• He is the first Bills player to win Defensive Player of the Month since linebacker Sam Cowart in November 2000.

[coastal]

Lap it up ******s.

15 years is right around the corner. And just think... this year we don't even the enjoyment of welcoming our next top 10 savior.

[Jimbuktu]

this thread is the most obnoxious of all-time. coastal is an awful fan and a billszone cancer.

[better days]

Lap it up ******s.

15 years is right around the corner. And just think... this year we don't even the enjoyment of welcoming our next top 10 savior.

******s?

Mario had NOTHING to do with that!

Football is a team game.

[WagonCircler]

******s?

Mario had NOTHING to do with that!

Football is a team game.

Coastal's threads are never about the team or the game. They're just "look at MEEEEEEEE!" provocations.

[coastal]

Coastal's threads are never about the team or the game. They're just "look at MEEEEEEEE!" provocations.
Said the glorified bouncer who likes to hang wallpaper.

When Super Fool's Gold leads us into the playoffs... wake me up for my much deserved flogging.

until then, enjoy gnawing at the coat tails of my brilliance.

- - - Updated - - -


Football is a team game.yes it is... the foundation of my point all along.

perhaps u can be led to water.

[Woodman]

Yeah, it's called coastal's ass.

well then a home has been found.

[Dr. Lecter]

Lap it up ******s.

15 years is right around the corner. And just think... this year we don't even the enjoyment of welcoming our next top 10 savior.

Says the man who says he likes Marrone.

In your theory, he's part of the 15 years too.

[WagonCircler]

Said the glorified bouncer who likes to hang wallpaper.

When Super Fool's Gold leads us into the playoffs... wake me up for my much deserved flogging..

Says the man married to a bikini rub & tugger--who gets paid. There's a word for that....

You want to go there, we can go there.

[trapezeus]

Said the glorified bouncer who likes to hang wallpaper.

When Super Fool's Gold leads us into the playoffs... wake me up for my much deserved flogging.

until then, enjoy gnawing at the coat tails of my brilliance.

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yes it is... the foundation of my point all along.

perhaps u can be led to water.

i think every talking head has at some point said, "a great DE will change your entire team and QB play is under-rated" Oh wait, no one says that.

you set a bar very high to an unrelated metric.

"I'll say taylor swift is the best musician ever, when she builds me my house!"

[pmoon6]

This thread is starting to get good.

Can we vote on who wins the smackfest?

My money is on Wagon.

[BertSquirtgum]

Coastal is fool's gold

[SquishDaFish]

What an idiot

[swiper]

This thread is starting to get good.

Can we vote on who wins the smackfest?

My money is on Wagon.

Starting to sound like the old Range.

[HAMMER]

Somebody got smacked right out of the thread.

[jamze132]

Need to bring back the insult tourney

[swiper]

Need to bring back the insult tourney

Why would they need to? They seem to have it all right here.

[coastal]

One of his golden moments awaits... will Mario once and for all prove coastal wrong... or will he fail to rise to be the leader this team has missed for way too long?

here it is Mario... your golden chance...

17200

[coastal]

Says the man who says he likes Marrone.

In your theory, he's part of the 15 years too.
False equivalency

[swiper]

:rolleyes:

[coastal]

i think every talking head has at some point said, "a great DE will change your entire team and QB play is under-rated" Oh wait, no one says that.

you set a bar very high to an unrelated metric.god you guys are dense.

this has been part of the point all along.

the real story heading into this game is the story of how one team spent a hundo million on Mario and one spent a hundo million on Peyton.

one team has been to the playoffs twice and the SuperBowl once. The other team is facing a 15 year absence from the post season.

One team is likely heading to the post season again... one isn't.

both players have the opportunity to help determine that.

Who your is your money on?

mine isn't on Fool's Gold.

[Dr. Who]

Well coastal, one team couldn't have gotten Peyton to play for them for two hundo million.
The Bills overpaid because they were never going to get a quality free agent without doing so.
Mario is far from a bust. He was never going to be "worth" a hundred million, but he's certainly a key element in a very good defense.
For me, that's good enough. Hopefully, the contract can be renegotiated in the off-season to make it more cap friendly.

[better days]

Well coastal, one team couldn't have gotten Peyton to play for them for two hundo million.
The Bills overpaid because they were never going to get a quality free agent without doing so.
Mario is far from a bust. He was never going to be "worth" a hundred million, but he's certainly a key element in a very good defense.
For me, that's good enough. Hopefully, the contract can be renegotiated in the off-season to make it more cap friendly.

And I doubt Mario will see the last year of that contract.

So it is not really a $100 mill contract.

It will be renegotiated.

[coastal]

He was never going to be "worth" a hundred millionthats the whole goddamn point!!!!

ask Denver if they think Peyton is worth his contract.



For me, that's good enough.u get the team u get then.

15

[coastal]

And I doubt Mario will see the last year of that contract.

So it is not really a $100 mill contract.

It will be renegotiated.
U guys would rationalize prison sodomy away as a natural byproduct of being imprisoned.

[better days]

thats the whole goddamn point!!!!

ask Denver if they think Peyton is worth his contract.


u get the team u get then.

15

Is Payton Manning really worth his contract if he fails to deliver a Super Bowl win?

[Dr. Who]

Okay, I think you're too exercised over this. I would have preferred to get Peyton Manning.
I'm sorry if it irritates you that I am okay with getting Mario Williams.

[better days]

U guys would rationalize prison sodomy away as a natural byproduct of being imprisoned.

Well, prison is not too bad if you are gay I guess.

[coastal]

Is Payton Manning really worth his contract if he fails to deliver a Super Bowl win?considering Mario hasn't even helped the Bills sniff a wild card spot, I find your question ****ing funny.

[better days]

considering Mario hasn't even helped the Bills sniff a wild card spot, I find your question ****ing funny.

Why?

Manning did get the Broncos to the Super bowl last year.

But it was the worst Super Bowl loss since the Bills blow out loss to the Cowboys.

And the Broncos may never get to the Super bowl again with Manning at QB.

[coastal]

Well, prison is not too bad if you are gay I guess.
Have fun...

http://prod.static.bills.clubs.nfl.com//assets/thumb/2014/12/120414mwilliamslitessmall.jpg

[coastal]

Why?

Manning did get the Broncos to the Super bowl last year.

But it was the worst Super Bowl loss since the Bills blow out loss to the Cowboys.

And the Broncos may never get to the Super bowl again with Manning at QB.
Voice inside coastal' head after reading this... don't engage the stupidity.

[better days]

Have fun...

http://prod.static.bills.clubs.nfl.com//assets/thumb/2014/12/120414mwilliamslitessmall.jpg

I was talking about you.

[coastal]

17201

[better days]

Voice inside coastal' head after reading this... don't engage the stupidity.

Don't engage the STUPIDITY?

The REAL stupidity is you & this STUPID thread you started!

[coastal]

Don't engage the STUPIDITY?

The REAL stupidity is you & this STUPID thread you started!15 years mouth breather.

slurp it in on Sunday in all its glory!

[better days]

15 years mouth breather.

slurp it in on Sunday in all its glory!

15 years because of BAD Coaching & BAD QB play.

NOT because the Bills signed Mario, IDIOT

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

delusion: meaning: a fixed, false belief

meaning whatever you say, whatever numbers you bring to the table, it won't make a hill of beans difference to coastal. Just let his delusions continue. it's entertaining if nothing else.

[coastal]

15 years because of BAD Coaching & BAD QB play.so u make a career underachieving DE the highest paid player in the history of the franchise?

lulz

[Mouldsie]

Mario Williams remains what he is - a sack first player, same as last season. Hardly ever plays a complete "DE" game - he has but 27 solo tackles, including his sacks and a measly 4 assists. Mario helps nobody but himself.
This is nonsense, if anything he gets less sacks because he plays so disciplined vs the run and watching for things like bootlegs, sweeps, cutbacks, misdirections etc

[Mouldsie]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/03/pff-all-star-team-3rd-quarter/2/
bump

[Dr. Lecter]

False equivalency


Horse ****.

I get your point about Williams. Of course they overpaid him. There's a number of reasons for that, including it being a by product of free agency and trying to get players to come to the horrid franchise.

Of course, you now go out of your way to overstate and cry about his "fake" wrist injury (still waiting for some actual evidence of that, but I digress) and claims that he has done nothing to help this team

Has he gotten the team into the playoffs? Nope. Not even close.

Is he still one of the better and more talented players that has been on this team in a very long time? Hell yes.

Instead, you find one game you don't like his play and focus on that. There are much bigger problems on this team than him.

Including decisions made by Marrone. The fact is, if you want to complain that Williams has not carried this team to the playoffs, why not include Marrone in that too?

Buy hey, maybe he'll start to punt on 3rd down too.

[Dr. Lecter]

so u make a career underachieving DE the highest paid player in the history of the franchise?

lulz


Underacheiving?

Really?

You're trying too hard now..........

[pmoon6]

Tying one players' signing to a playoff berth is the ultimate Fools' argument. Tim Tebow took basically the same Broncos team to the playoffs and the Broncos have added quality players at WR, Safety, Corner and Linebacker. They've lost some as well, but buying a Super Bowl seems to be the Broncos plan. Having Peyton Manning and the city of Denver itself has attracted these players. Buffalo does not have that advantage and manning would never have signed here.

My fervent hope is Denver makes it to the Super Bowl again and Manning chokes again.

At the end of the day, a team like Buffalo has to overpay to get a few players because they don't offer the ancillary benefits other teams and locales can.

[better days]

The Bills overpaid for Mario.

But teams overpay for EVERY GOOD FA.

Had a team other than Buffalo signed Mario, they would have overpaid for him.

[WagonCircler]

Buffalo does not have that advantage and manning would never have signed here..

And that, right there, is the giant hole in his argument. This whole asinine thread is allegedly based on the contention that the Bills "should have" signed Manning instead of Mario, as if Manning was on a shelf in the QB department at Costco and the Bills just rolled their cart right past him, headed for the D-Line section.

Is Mario overpaid? Absolutely. Was the expenditure worth it? Without question.

This Defensive line is the best unit of any kind that the Bills have had since the early 90s. Easily the best Defensive line they've ever had.

They could have *****ed and whined that "we can't get FAs to come to Buffalo" or they could overpay a little, and I do mean a little.

This is a stupid conversation with no basis in reality.

[pmoon6]

The Bills overpaid for Mario.

But teams overpay for EVERY GOOD FA.

Had a team other than Buffalo signed Mario, they would have overpaid for him.I think you can boil this thread down to one thing.

Coastal is playing agent provacateur.

Too bad that combined with the fact that he his his head up his ass provides a less than entertaining script.

[BertSquirtgum]

15 years mouth breather.

slurp it in on Sunday in all its glory!

No

[coastal]

Horse ****.

I get your point about Williams. Of course they overpaid him. There's a number of reasons for that, including it being a by product of free agency and trying to get players to come to the horrid franchise.

Of course, you now go out of your way to overstate and cry about his "fake" wrist injury (still waiting for some actual evidence of that, but I digress) and claims that he has done nothing to help this team

Has he gotten the team into the playoffs? Nope. Not even close.

Is he still one of the better and more talented players that has been on this team in a very long time? Hell yes.

Instead, you find one game you don't like his play and focus on that. There are much bigger problems on this team than him.

Including decisions made by Marrone. The fact is, if you want to complain that Williams has not carried this team to the playoffs, why not include Marrone in that too?

Buy hey, maybe he'll start to punt on 3rd down too.
Wtf about the highest paid player in the history of this franchise don't you people understand?

but yeah Mario... you've helped us do not one ****ing thing that matters!!!!


we love us some Fool's Gold here in WNY!!!

[The Jokeman]

Wtf about the highest paid player in the history of this franchise don't you people understand?

but yeah Mario... you've helped us do not one ****ing thing that matters!!!!


we love us some Fool's Gold here in WNY!!!

It's all relative, I mean if Bruce was in his prime and playing today he'd be getting more than Mario because he is a better player no doubt. Other than that who cares? That said the Bills don't have a RB as good as Thurman on the roster nor a QB close to Kelly either. That's why we're not winning the division it has nothing to do with Mario. As Mario and the D are playing as good as any D in the league right now yet we don't have the players on offense to get us over the hump. It's time's like this I wish we'd kept Marshawn and used the draft pick that was used on Spiller on a guy like Dez Bryant.

[coastal]

He's overpaid but OHHHHHHHHHH so worth it!!!!!

Festival of screw-ups!

[The Jokeman]

He's overpaid but OHHHHHHHHHH so worth it!!!!!

Festival of screw-ups!

and who or what do you think would be better suited for his money? Do you recall how bad our DEs were pre Mario?

[BertSquirtgum]

Wtf about the highest paid player in the history of this franchise don't you people understand?

but yeah Mario... you've helped us do not one ****ing thing that matters!!!!


we love us some Fool's Gold here in WNY!!!

Shut the fat up.

[pmoon6]

:rofl: Glad Coastal lives in Florida, he deserves that state and the state deserves him.

[coastal]

One of his golden moments awaits... will Mario once and for all prove coastal wrong... or will he fail to rise to be the leader this team has missed for way too long?

here it is Mario... your golden chance...

17200
2 tackles... 1 against the backup RT who came in for a play when Vasquez went down.

so let's take a roll call of those who are basking in his golden glow.

[pmoon6]

2 tackles... 1 against the backup RT who came in for a play when Vasquez went down.

so let's take a roll call of those who are basking in his golden glow.Root for another team, like San Francisco.

You shouldn't be allowed to call yourself a Bills' Fan or be allowed in WNY.

Stay where you belong with the rest of the metrosexuals.

[BertSquirtgum]

2 tackles... 1 against the backup RT who came in for a play when Vasquez went down.

so let's take a roll call of those who are basking in his golden glow.

Shut the fat up

[coastal]

Shut the fat up
No

[pmoon6]

NoThen take your dick out of your mouth when Mario doesn't get a sack.

[BertSquirtgum]

No

http://i.imgur.com/nFSebim.gif?1

[coastal]

Then take your dick out of your mouth when Mario doesn't get a sack.15 years old timer.

[DraftBoy]

Box Score scouting...gotta love it.

[pmoon6]

15 years old timer.I'd still whoop your ass, Son.

[coastal]

Box Score scouting...gotta love it.

17202

[coastal]

I'd still whoop your ass, Son.
Oooooooo.... threats of violence.

Really?

[wolfpack]

Box Score scouting...gotta love it.

Hughs hade the same line! DO NOT resign him, it be asteroid mining, he's fools Platinum!!!! :fit:

[coastal]

Hughs hade the same line! DO NOT resign him, it be asteroid mining, he's fools Platinum!!!! :fit:
Yeah... no bias with you. None. Move along.