Well that looked familiar...Defense

[DraftBoy]

Anybody else see an old and familiar freind in the Cover 2? You didn't? Well allow me to reacquaint you, is the scheme with the big ***** voids in it, that doesn't blitz, and is basically toast if your front four are unable to bring pressure. Those Jets receivers running free after there cuts, that's a design aspect of this lovely defense. If you can't get to the QB in about 3-4 seconds and you face a QB who can make at least semi smart decision in relatively quick time you can be beaten time and time again like we were today.

No less than a decade ago people railed against this system, they hated it then, and we should all hate it now. However this the scheme we will keep because this who our DC is. A 43 base Cover 2 philosophy bend but don't break coach. If our front four don't get better at getting to the QB its going to be a VERY long season.

[BuffaloWingEater]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

the stache better have a different game plan for next week because there was no plan this week. if there was a plan, i wouldn't admit to that.

[OpIv37]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

Here's the bigger problem: on paper, we have the front 4 to make it work. In reality, it didn't turn out that way- maybe the Jets' OL is better than advertised, maybe our DL is worse than advertised or maybe it was just a bad day. Regardless, our coaches didn't adjust. They kept doing the same thing that wasn't working.

And hell, as bad as the DB's were in coverage, why didn't they blitz more? It's not like the DBs were actually covering anyone. At least then we'd have a shot at making a play.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

Here's the bigger problem: on paper, we have the front 4 to make it work. In reality, it didn't turn out that way- maybe the Jets' OL is better than advertised, maybe our DL is worse than advertised or maybe it was just a bad day. Regardless, our coaches didn't adjust. They kept doing the same thing that wasn't working.

And hell, as bad as the DB's were in coverage, why didn't they blitz more? It's not like the DBs were actually covering anyone. At least then we'd have a shot at making a play.

You are never going to see the current defense blitz a ton or even consistently.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

The Steelers rode this defense to a Dynasty.

It can work.

And it kept us in plenty of games we had no business being in while Jauron was here.

[tomz]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

Here's the bigger problem: on paper, we have the front 4 to make it work. In reality, it didn't turn out that way- maybe the Jets' OL is better than advertised, maybe our DL is worse than advertised or maybe it was just a bad day. Regardless, our coaches didn't adjust. They kept doing the same thing that wasn't working.

And hell, as bad as the DB's were in coverage, why didn't they blitz more? It's not like the DBs were actually covering anyone. At least then we'd have a shot at making a play.

Agreed on the blitzing. They needed to keep the Jets from dictating who they could double up on.

[OpIv37]

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You are never going to see the current defense blitz a ton or even consistently.

Well they should have changed something. But they are married to their systems and stick with them for the sake of sticking with them.m winning be damned!

[cookie G]

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Gilmore was getting beat repeatedly by a single move.

mcLovin is allergic to the color green, I think.

Aaron Williams is..well, Aaron Williams.

We need to draft more DB's.

[kingJofNYC]

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They would've probably dropped 70 on us if we blitzed more, we couldn't cover with 7. You think these corners can hold their own one on one outside, **** is a recipe disaster.

[OpIv37]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

Gilmore was getting beat repeatedly by a single move.

mcLovin is allergic to the color green, I think.

Aaron Williams is..well, Aaron Williams.

We need to draft more DB's.

We drafted Byrd in the 2nd round 3 years ago, Williams in the 2nd last year, Gilmore in the 1st this year and McKelvin in the first a few years back. Plus some lower round guys. We don't need to draft more. We need to draft better.

[BuffaloWingEater]

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i want the stache on the sidelines. what a pussy by being in the booth.

[YardRat]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

The Steelers rode this defense to a Dynasty.

It can work.

And it kept us in plenty of games we had no business being in while Jauron was here.

That was thirty-plus years ago, when it was new and cutting edge.

This is what happens when you hire somebody to run the defense that hasn't done it except for 1 season almost 20 years ago. The defense may still be able to work, but you need a guy at the helm that knows how to use against today's offenses.

[cookie G]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

We drafted Byrd in the 2nd round 3 years ago, Williams in the 2nd last year, Gilmore in the 1st this year and McKelvin in the first a few years back. Plus some lower round guys. We don't need to draft more. We need to draft better.

Sorry, they're just rebuilding the site. I couldn't find my sarcasm tags.

But to the original question in the thread....the last Cover 2 this team had finished 2nd in the league against the pass overall, and was in the top 5 in most pass D categories.

That wasn't good enough for most people though.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

Our linebackers can't cover at all. Watching Lee and Bowman play gets my blood boiling. What a colossal **** up by the front office over the last decade. Complete disaster.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Well that looked familiar...Defense

That was thirty-plus years ago, when it was new and cutting edge.

This is what happens when you hire somebody to run the defense that hasn't done it except for 1 season almost 20 years ago. The defense may still be able to work, but you need a guy at the helm that knows how to use against today's offenses.

The Bears ran it last year and were middle of the pack overall. 14th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed and 5th in turnovers forced. All with only having 33 sacks.

The scheme itself can still work if the players execute.