5 reasons to hate the cleveland browns

[Joebuffalowins]

http://www.buffalowins.com/buffalo-bills/articles/5-reasons-to-hate-the-cleveland-browns.html

Am I missing anything?

[Jan Reimers]

Re: 5 reasons to hate the cleveland browns

A point and a sense of humor?

[Meathead]

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ouch

[stuckincincy]

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ouch

We are a *****ly bunch since the season started, eh? Uh-oh...looks like I just dissed Canada. Eh?

[gebobs]

Re: 5 reasons to hate the cleveland browns

Here are two really good reasons...

Drafting Ernie Davis the same year we did, signing him away from us, and killing him.

Drafting Paul Warfield the same year we did, signing him away from us, and trading him to Miami.



One really special reason to like the Browns...

Trading a draft pick to us for that ***** Tom Cousineau. That pick eventually became Jim Kelly.

[TigerJ]

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I was a Cleveland fan back in the 1960s.

[Dr. Lecter]

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Ronnie Freakin' Harmon

the mention of the name makes me want to punch babies

[Mr. Pink]

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You should check into this Joebuffalowins.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: 5 reasons to hate the cleveland browns

Here's one, dunno if it was in the article...

On a related note, Buffalo tied with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the worst record in 1985 and would have had the first pick in the 1986 draft. Since that pick was traded to Cleveland and it was used for the 1985 supplemental draft, the Bills essentially traded the first overall pick in the 1986 draft. Cleveland used the pick to select Bernie Kosar.

[gebobs]

Re: 5 reasons to hate the cleveland browns

Here's one, dunno if it was in the article...

On a related note, Buffalo tied with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the worst record in 1985 and would have had the first pick in the 1986 draft. Since that pick was traded to Cleveland and it was used for the 1985 supplemental draft, the Bills essentially traded the first overall pick in the 1986 draft. Cleveland used the pick to select Bernie Kosar.

That's a reason to hate them? We already had Kelly though he was MIA and that trade got us Will Wolford, Derrick Burroughs, and Hal Garner. They traded down to get Burroughs so I don't know what else they got.

Kosar was good, but overrated.

[Mr. Pink]

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That's a reason to hate them? We already had Kelly though he was MIA and that trade got us Will Wolford, Derrick Burroughs, and Hal Garner. They traded down to get Burroughs so I don't know what else they got.

Kosar was good, but overrated.

It's the fact that they traded away what would have been the 1st overall pick to get those guys.

Even in hindsight do you think those 3 guys were more valuable than the 1st overall pick?

Plus, say they don't make that trade. Instead of picking Harmon, they might just take Wolford instead which means Harmon never is a Bill.

[imbondz]

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I don't hate Cleveland. Don't really cheer for them, but don't hate them. If they ever start winning, then i'll hate them.

[gebobs]

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It's the fact that they traded away what would have been the 1st overall pick to get those guys.

Even in hindsight do you think those 3 guys were more valuable than the 1st overall pick?

The question is: even in hindsight, were those players more valuable to the Bills than Kosar. I would say a qualified and tentative yes...there's conviction for ya.

So they keep the pick in 1986 and use it for Bo Jackson. He doesn't get injured after 3 years and the Bills don't draft Thurmon. Thurmon gets drafted by the Pats and his ability to catch out of the backfield wins the Patriots the '98 SB. ;-)

Anyhoo...nice to bring that up...brought back memories of the genesis of the glory years.

And let me reiterate...Kosar was overrated.

[gebobs]

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I don't hate Cleveland. Don't really cheer for them, but don't hate them. If they ever start winning, then i'll hate them.

I'll tell you the franchises I hate. Let's see...are they the Bills? No? I hate them.

The Bills? OK, I hate them too. ;-)

[Mr. Pink]

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The question is: even in hindsight, were those players more valuable to the Bills than Kosar. I would say a qualified and tentative yes...there's conviction for ya.

So they keep the pick in 1986 and use it for Bo Jackson. He doesn't get injured after 3 years and the Bills don't draft Thurmon. Thurmon gets drafted by the Pats and his ability to catch out of the backfield wins the Patriots the '98 SB. ;-)

Anyhoo...nice to bring that up...brought back memories of the genesis of the glory years.

And let me reiterate...Kosar was overrated.

Kosar was not the 1st pick overall in 86. That pick was used to select Kosar in the 85 Supplemental Draft.

Buffalo would not have used the pick on Kosar, obviously, they would have had the 1st overall pick in the 86 draft.

The first pick that year was Bo Jackson...now the question becomes if the Bills take him, does he play here? If they don't take him, who do they take instead? But if they do take Bo 1st overall, they certainly don't take Ronnie Harmon later that round and instead likely take Wolford anyways. So in essence, you're talking Bo and Wolford instead of Harmon, Wolford, Burroughs and Garner.

We all know how Harmon turned out here. People still hate him. If the trade between the Browns and Bills never takes place, Harmon never plays here is basically my stance on this.

Kosar is absolutely meaningless to the discussion as he would have never played here.