Moorman Being Released

[Novacane]

He very well may have years left. If the young kid works out it was still a good move. Apparently the Bills think he will. As you said we'll see.

[gebobs]

lindell is one chip shot miss away from being next.
I agree. He's had a great career and I was always one of his biggest fans and supported him against a barrage of criticism on the Range for years. But all good things must come to an end and the writing is on the wall. I'm sure Lindell sees it.

[gebobs]

He very well may have years left. If the young kid works out it was still a good move. Apparently the Bills think he will. As you said we'll see.
This. The Bills are not ready for prime time. So why not groom players to be ready together? Moorman wasn't going to be there when the Bills become legitimate contenders again. Lindell is in his last season and he's just training Potter as his apprentice.

Now if they only had a quarterback that would be there when the rest of the team is ready.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

This. The Bills are not ready for prime time. So why not groom players to be ready together? Moorman wasn't going to be there when the Bills become legitimate contenders again. Lindell is in his last season and he's just training Potter as his apprentice.

Now if they only had a quarterback that would be there when the rest of the team is ready.
Sigh... again with the assumption that the Bills will still be here for years to come, as if they have forever to get better again. This is it, folks. This is the moment. One shot. One opportunity before the lease expires to prove to Western New York they deserve our support. So if they're not ready, especially after 12 years of incompetence, then it's time for cancellation.

[Albany,n.y.]

The best news of the day is that he signed with the Cowboys, because that proves there was nothing to that ugly rumor of illness in his family.

[stuckincincy]

The best news of the day is that he signed with the Cowboys, because that proves there was nothing to that ugly rumor of illness in his family.

Quite so. I never thought that he was a so-called spent force, and glad to see that he rapidly got a new gig. I don't have any idea what DAL signed him for, but as it was pointed out, BUF had to pay out his monies due.

[gebobs]

Sigh... again with the assumption that the Bills will still be here for years to come, as if they have forever to get better again. This is it, folks. This is the moment. One shot. One opportunity before the lease expires to prove to Western New York they deserve our support. So if they're not ready, especially after 12 years of incompetence, then it's time for cancellation.
Be prepared for disappointment then. This realist knows that this team is more than a long shot.

But you are a curiously bipolar. Pessimistic about their future and hopelessly optimistic about their present. Interesting. I would like to section your brain after you pass on.

[YardRat]

Fine, but some people, Lindell included, will tell you that chemistry between snapper, holder, and kicker is critical. Let's just hope that it doesn't affect them at a critical point.

He said as much on the news tonight.

[OpIv37]

treated like what? The guy is getting paid.
Holy crap OP. for all the whines you've made in the past why is it a problem for an FO to try and fix or try and improve on a certain position. Typical, the bills are damned if they do damned if they don't.

being cut after one bad game is embarrassing, and IMO, being treated like crap- especially if you consider how many mediocre players the Bills DIDN'T cut after YEARS of bad games.

[Philagape]

From AP's story today:

Two people familiar with the Bills punting strategy going into their 24-14 win at Cleveland on Sunday questioned whether Moorman was set up to fail by special teams coordinator Bruce DeHaven.

The two people spoke on the condition of anonymity in fear they could be punished for revealing what took place during closed meetings.

Both people said DeHaven informed his players he would be OK with 30-yard punts so long as Browns return specialist Josh Cribbs didn’t get his hands on the ball. They then questioned why DeHaven would criticize Moorman’s performance on Monday, when it appeared the punter followed his coach’s orders.

Moorman’s numbers have slipped since DeHaven’s arrival in 2010. The drop is based in part on the Bills having consistently asked Moorman to kick directional punts to offset any potential deficiencies in Buffalo’s coverage units which are still attempting to gel early in the season.

Moorman and DeHaven never developed any type of close relationship. The two were rarely seen chatting on the field during practice or training camp. That was a switch from the bond Moorman had established with his two previous coordinators, Bobby April, who’s now in Philadelphia, and Danny Smith, who’s now in Washington.

[OpIv37]

How is #3 (I don't even know his ****ing name) as a placekicker?

Did they let him try any in pre-season?

They didn't let him try any FG's, which is yet another mind-boggling decision by this organization. If he chokes, it's preseason- who cares? If he's good, then we could cut Lindell and save a roster spot. Not that I have anything against Lindell, but I don't like keeping two kickers and I wish they would have given the kid a chance.

[OpIv37]

Fine, but some people, Lindell included, will tell you that chemistry between snapper, holder, and kicker is critical. Let's just hope that it doesn't affect them at a critical point.

this just made me sick to my stomach. It's like the bad foreshadowing in a cheesy horror flick.

Watch us get an opportunity to beat the Pats like the Ravens did, and choke on a bad hold.....

[Slim]

this just made me sick to my stomach. It's like the bad foreshadowing in a cheesy horror flick.

Watch us get an opportunity to beat the Pats like the Ravens did, and choke on a bad hold.....

This would be the biggest kick in the nuts ever.

/While Moorman drops three punts inside the five for the Boys.

[OpIv37]

This would be the biggest kick in the nuts ever.

/While Moorman drops three punts inside the five for the Boys.

It would suck, but it wouldn't be the biggest kick in the nuts ever. It would be probably 5th, behind Wide Right, the Music City Mirage, the epic collapse against the Cowboys in 07 and the epic collapse against the Patriots (08 or 09 I think). This team has had a LOT of kicks to the nuts.

[kishoph]

From AP's story today:

Two people familiar with the Bills punting strategy going into their 24-14 win at Cleveland on Sunday questioned whether Moorman was set up to fail by special teams coordinator Bruce DeHaven.

The two people spoke on the condition of anonymity in fear they could be punished for revealing what took place during closed meetings.

Both people said DeHaven informed his players he would be OK with 30-yard punts so long as Browns return specialist Josh Cribbs didn’t get his hands on the ball. They then questioned why DeHaven would criticize Moorman’s performance on Monday, when it appeared the punter followed his coach’s orders.

Moorman’s numbers have slipped since DeHaven’s arrival in 2010. The drop is based in part on the Bills having consistently asked Moorman to kick directional punts to offset any potential deficiencies in Buffalo’s coverage units which are still attempting to gel early in the season.

Moorman and DeHaven never developed any type of close relationship. The two were rarely seen chatting on the field during practice or training camp. That was a switch from the bond Moorman had established with his two previous coordinators, Bobby April, who’s now in Philadelphia, and Danny Smith, who’s now in Washington.

Some of this might be true, but that 27 yard punt the other day was not by design, I just watched the end zone view and it was a major shank, Cribbs was standing at the goal line and the punt went out at the 35 and this has happened too often the past 2 years. I'm not thrilled about DeHaven's coaching, I think the game has passed him by, but he's not going to tell his punter to kick a 30 yd. punt. If a punter can't direct a punt that goes 40 yards, then there's a problem.

[Dr. Lecter]

being cut after one bad game is embarrassing, and IMO, being treated like crap- especially if you consider how many mediocre players the Bills DIDN'T cut after YEARS of bad games.

1.It was more than one bad game. the numbers have been posted time and time again. My God - you are defending a guy that is 20th and 31st (both out of 32) in his job performance. I guess I should remember this next time you go off on a player.

2. How was he "treated like crap"?

I really don't get that part. Cutting a player is treating them like crap?

Nobody has been able to say how how he was treated like crap.

[Historian]

I keep thinking about the move, and what's unusual is that it is a punter, I think.

I've seen us change kickers three times at the beginning of a season (Leypoldt, Ricardo, Jakowenko in 1976, I believe) but never a punter that I can recall.

[Dr. Lecter]

I keep thinking about the move, and what's unusual is that it is a punter, I think.

I've seen us change kickers three times at the beginning of a season (Leypoldt, Ricardo, Jakowenko in 1976, I believe) but never a punter that I can recall.

John Nies.

[justasportsfan]

1.It was more than one bad game. the numbers have been posted time and time again. My God - you are defending a guy that is 20th and 31st (both out of 32) in his job performance. I guess I should remember this next time you go off on a player.

2. How was he "treated like crap"?

I really don't get that part. Cutting a player is treating them like crap?

Nobody has been able to say how how he was treated like crap.

Not only has he accepted it but he's defending mediocrity.

[Skooby]

Green Bay has 5 rookie starters on defense they just drafted, I don't think they're crying about losing some of their vets. Guys, we lost our punter. Brian's a great guy and wonderful for the community, so was JP Losman. I know Losman wasn't a pro-bowler but he also wasn't 36 years old & declining in performance.

[gebobs]

Some of this might be true, but that 27 yard punt the other day was not by design, I just watched the end zone view and it was a major shank, Cribbs was standing at the goal line and the punt went out at the 35 and this has happened too often the past 2 years. I'm not thrilled about DeHaven's coaching, I think the game has passed him by, but he's not going to tell his punter to kick a 30 yd. punt. If a punter can't direct a punt that goes 40 yards, then there's a problem.
I'm not here to praise Moorman, but to bury DeHaven.

Moorman did well for us and was compensated well. If I'm not mistaken, he's going to collect double pay this year. But if Fitzpatrick gets a pass for all the abominable throws he made because of the rain, one of which killed a drive and handed the ball to the Browns, then why not Moorman's shank which was followed by a 3-and-out by the Browns? The ball was soaking wet.

And I agree with you about DeHaven. I have hated that jerkoff since the Music City Miracle and how Ralph ever consented to bring that piece of sheeite back is anyone's guess. It's his coaching of the coverage that made the directional kicks a necessary evil.

Cut Moorman and sign for the future? Fine with me. But give credit where credit is due and fire the incompetent coach.

[gebobs]

Green Bay has 5 rookie starters on defense they just drafted, I don't think they're crying about losing some of their vets.
Last time they started 1-2 was '06. They aren't used to that there.

Anyhoo...who are these rookie starters? According to the depth chart at the Packers website, only Perry is a rookie on first string though there are seven other rookies lower on the chart.

[Historian]

You almost have to wonder if it wasn't Marv's emphasis on the kicking game, and the expoits of Tasker and Pike, that built DeHaven's reputation....as opposed to DeHaven himself.

I was actually surprised he came back here. Ralph rarely re-hires people.

[Philagape]

Regardless of whether it's Moorman's or DeHaven's fault, that there are unnamed sources leaking dissension on the team shows the ripples of cutting a longtime captain during the season. Any improvement on the field may be offset by damage in the locker room.

[Night Train]

[QUOTE=Historian;3689100 Ralph rarely re-hires people.[/QUOTE]


Lou Saban, Marv and plenty of asst. coaches...

To me, this indicates that no one is safe and Fitz will see a quick hook if he stumbles 2 games in a row.

Moorman was doing the rugby style kicking in the pre-season and seemed good at it. The first 3 games were not good at all and at 36, he's got a small amount left anyhow. Powell has a live leg and youth on his side.

We'll see but I don't see the disaster others see.

[gebobs]

Lou Saban, Marv and plenty of asst. coaches...
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the practice. Saban was a dinosaur on his second tour. Marv wasn't up to the new job.

Only DeHaven has lived up to his previous reputation: putz.

[OpIv37]

1.It was more than one bad game. the numbers have been posted time and time again. My God - you are defending a guy that is 20th and 31st (both out of 32) in his job performance. I guess I should remember this next time you go off on a player.

2. How was he "treated like crap"?

I really don't get that part. Cutting a player is treating them like crap?

Nobody has been able to say how how he was treated like crap.

Um, there have only been 3 games. He admittedly had a really bad one against Cleveland. That's going to skew the stats because of the small sample size.

And cutting a player mid-season after 1 bad game after years of playing well is treating him like crap. It's embarrassing, especially when you consider how many far worse players who have done far less for the organization weren't treated this way.

[OpIv37]

and btw, let's not forget the other part of this: Let's assume that Moorman has lost it and cutting him was the right decision.

Well, why didn't they just do it the last week of pre-season and keep Powell?

Instead, they cost Powell ~4 weeks of practice time and 3 games of experience, gave someone else the chance to pick him up (which didn't happen by sheer dumb luck), and now they have to change FG holders right before a crucial division game.

How can you not see the utter stupidity of this?

[GingerP]

To me, this indicates that no one is safe and Fitz will see a quick hook if he stumbles 2 games in a row.

That would surprise me. Partly because Gailey seems to have an affection for Fitz that makes one think he would adopt him if he could, and partly because his options would be going to Thigpen or TJax.

If you ask me, the Bills went balls-deep with Fitz. They sink or swim with him.

[GingerP]

BTW, I always find it funny when fans critique the performance of a ST coach. Like we even know what separates a good one from a bad one. I remember Bobby April being called a buffoon in St. Louis because they had good teams but lousy ST's. It ended up most of that was due to Mike Martz not making ST contributions much of a priority when building his roster, and he came to Buffalo and got better results.

[Philagape]

Moorman did look better in the preseason. Maybe the move was made now because the Eagles changed punters and the Bills were afraid some team was about to snap up Powell in a domino effect.

[justasportsfan]

You almost have to wonder if it wasn't Marv's emphasis on the kicking game, and the expoits of Tasker and Pike, that built DeHaven's reputation....as opposed to DeHaven himself.

I was actually surprised he came back here. Ralph rarely re-hires people.

I was never big on DeHaven .Guess it's because we're seen what April can do with the ST unit. Under DeHAven our ST wwas nothing special. I can only guess that not allowing kick returners is Chans philosophy.

[gebobs]

BTW, I always find it funny when fans critique the performance of a ST coach. Like we even know what separates a good one from a bad one. I remember Bobby April being called a buffoon in St. Louis because they had good teams but lousy ST's. It ended up most of that was due to Mike Martz not making ST contributions much of a priority when building his roster, and he came to Buffalo and got better results.

I don't care if you think he's the frickin' best coach of all time, laughing boy. Music City Miracle. End of story. His head rolled and it should stay rolled.

[Historian]

Lou Saban, Marv and plenty of asst. coaches...

.

I said rarely...not never.

[trapezeus]

so is it fair to say that Moorman was a bill for 12 years and saw than less than 5 wins vs the pats? That's a sad stat. At least he got to experience last year's joy.

i've heard that dehaven was pissed at moorman for rejecting what dehaven was asking for and moorman was less than cordial about it.

i don't think losing a punter will mean much if the bills win. if hte bills get smoked on sunday, it will be one of the many topics to overanalyize.

[gebobs]

i don't think losing a punter will mean much
Punter/holder

[gebobs]

so is it fair to say that Moorman was a bill for 12 years and saw than less than 5 wins vs the pats?2-20

[Skooby]

2-20

Pretty much no where to go but up.

[Ingtar33]

Regardless of whether it's Moorman's or DeHaven's fault, that there are unnamed sources leaking dissension on the team shows the ripples of cutting a longtime captain during the season. Any improvement on the field may be offset by damage in the locker room.

bingo