Bad Game but...

[zone]

After having a few days to cool down I have to admit that the reason why I was possibly so upset is that we were kicking the Pats collective asses. If Choice or White got the call on the goal line we would have been up 28-7 with 11 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Maybe they don't try running the ball if that is the case, maybe the rigged I mean regular refs don't give Brady a scrambling TD and maybe the outcome is diffrent.

That being said you can't dismiss what actually happened and that was the team decided to fold when things didn't go their way. They were surprised by the run and chose not to make the adjustments to stop it.

The fact of the matter remains that we were kicking NE's butt through 3 quarters. We need to close those games out.

The nature of being a Bills fan is to overreact so I am sure I will continue to do, but putting it in perspective the sky has not completely fallen yet.

[OpIv37]

100 points in 2 division games.

And let's not forget that the team almost rolled over and died when Spiller got hurt in Cleveland. Lucky for us that Cleveland sucks. But the end result is that, in both of the last two games, this team buckled under the slightest bit of adversity. There is no killer instinct.

We are now 0-2 in the division, with both the Pats and Jets holding division record and head-to-head tiebreakers over us.

The sky has fallen. Well, the sky actually fell a long time ago. But most of us were too mesmerized by Spiller and the Mario Williams signing to notice.

[zone]

100 points in 2 division games.

And let's not forget that the team almost rolled over and died when Spiller got hurt in Cleveland. Lucky for us that Cleveland sucks. But the end result is that, in both of the last two games, this team buckled under the slightest bit of adversity. There is no killer instinct.

We are now 0-2 in the division, with both the Pats and Jets holding division record and head-to-head tiebreakers over us.

The sky has fallen. Well, the sky actually fell a long time ago. But most of us were too mesmerized by Spiller and the Mario Williams signing to notice.

I agree that the rolling over is unacceptable but I am going to give it a few more games and see how they respond before proclaiming the season is over. I know it will probably burn me but I am use to it.

[The Toe Show]

Winning September gets you nowhere.

Living week to week is a rollercoaster ride. Every team is going to lose games where they look horrible.

In 1990, we got creamed by the Dolphins Week 2.

<tbody>
2
September 16, 1990
at Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Miami_Dolphins_season)
L 7–30
1–1
Joe Robbie Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Life_Stadium)
<center>68,142</center>

</tbody>
In 1991, the Nigerian Nightmare would have caused mass panic in the information age.

<tbody>
6
October 7, 1991
at Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season)
Arrowhead Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowhead_Stadium)
L 6–33
5–1
ABC 9:00pm
<center>76,120</center>

</tbody>
In 1992, the Superbowl Bills put up only 10 points, getting smoked in consecutive weeks.

<tbody>
5
October 4, 1992
Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Miami_Dolphins_season)
Rich Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium)
L 37–10
4–1
<center>80,368</center>


6
October 11, 1992
at Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season)
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum)
L 20–3
4–2
<center>52,287</center>

</tbody>
In 1993, the Bills were shut out against the Steelers.

<tbody>
11
November 15, 1993
at Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season)
Three Rivers Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rivers_Stadium)
L 0–23
7–2
<center>60,265</center>

</tbody>



Lots can happen still.

Wanny needs to adjust the defensive gameplan and stop depending on the front 4 to provide the pass rush alone.

When we Blitz, the defense looks good. When we hold, the defense is ****.

Simple as that.

Enjoy the journey. Only one team gets to win it all.

[BillsFever21]

After having a few days to cool down I have to admit that the reason why I was possibly so upset is that we were kicking the Pats collective asses. If Choice or White got the call on the goal line we would have been up 28-7 with 11 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Maybe they don't try running the ball if that is the case, maybe the rigged I mean regular refs don't give Brady a scrambling TD and maybe the outcome is diffrent.

That being said you can't dismiss what actually happened and that was the team decided to fold when things didn't go their way. They were surprised by the run and chose not to make the adjustments to stop it.

The fact of the matter remains that we were kicking NE's butt through 3 quarters. We need to close those games out.

The nature of being a Bills fan is to overreact so I am sure I will continue to do, but putting it in perspective the sky has not completely fallen yet.

We would've lost whether Spiller fumbled or not. If the games were only 30 minutes long the Bills would be a playoff team. Unfortunately it takes 60 minutes to win a game.

[SquishDaFish]

I think if we score at the half we would have won.

[Thurmal]

The worst part about being a Bills fan is that, after the D. Jones TD making the game 21-7, I still knew they would lose. Seriously, I turned to the person next to me and said, "They'll blow this game." I can't even take credit for a good prediction, it'd be like saying, "If it rains today, my car will get wet."

[BillsFever21]

I think if we score at the half we would have won.

The way we played in the 2nd half we still would've lost. We couldn't stop anything they did. That TD wouldn't have made one difference in the outcome.

[SABURZFAN]

Op hit the nail on the head but a lot of you will view it as ANOTHER "Negative Nancy" comment.

[BillsFever21]

Winning September gets you nowhere.

Living week to week is a rollercoaster ride. Every team is going to lose games where they look horrible.

In 1990, we got creamed by the Dolphins Week 2.

<tbody>
2
September 16, 1990
at Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Miami_Dolphins_season)
L 7–30
1–1
Joe Robbie Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Life_Stadium)
<center>68,142</center>

</tbody>
In 1991, the Nigerian Nightmare would have caused mass panic in the information age.

<tbody>
6
October 7, 1991
at Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season)
Arrowhead Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowhead_Stadium)
L 6–33
5–1
ABC 9:00pm
<center>76,120</center>

</tbody>
In 1992, the Superbowl Bills put up only 10 points, getting smoked in consecutive weeks.

<tbody>
5
October 4, 1992
Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Miami_Dolphins_season)
Rich Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium)
L 37–10
4–1
<center>80,368</center>


6
October 11, 1992
at Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season)
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum)
L 20–3
4–2
<center>52,287</center>

</tbody>
In 1993, the Bills were shut out against the Steelers.

<tbody>
11
November 15, 1993
at Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season)
Three Rivers Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rivers_Stadium)
L 0–23
7–2
<center>60,265</center>

</tbody>



Lots can happen still.

Wanny needs to adjust the defensive gameplan and stop depending on the front 4 to provide the pass rush alone.

When we Blitz, the defense looks good. When we hold, the defense is ****.

Simple as that.

Enjoy the journey. Only one team gets to win it all.

I agree that even the best teams are going to have their bad games but this is a theme with the Bills and not an exception. To even try to make a comparison to the 1990 team is just flat out desperate and searching for any hope.

[jimmifli]

It still makes me want to punch a baby.

[THRILLHO]

Before the season I had us pegged at 8-8. This is a game I did not expect us to win. All the sudden we are up 21-7. Then we collectively vomit on the field and give up 45 points. I was upset for the same reason. If we were down 21-7 and lost 52-28 I would not have been nearly as upset. But here I am on Wednesday night, still fuming.

[The Toe Show]

I agree that even the best teams are going to have their bad games but this is a theme with the Bills and not an exception. To even try to make a comparison to the 1990 team is just flat out desperate and searching for any hope.

One point I presented: even the best teams WILL lose games bad. The comparison is for the sake of fellow Bills fan's memory, not in terms of talent/strategy similarity.

Now - we lost ONE GAME and ONE QUARTER bad, but with so much season left to play and tied by record for the division lead - I AM still hopeful.

If we can win against San Fran we are right back in there. Even if we lose - we aren't far behind.

My most important point - week to week: you can't be so up and down. **** can ****ing move in this league!

[THRILLHO]

There is NO silver lining here. Being 2-2 and "tied" for first is not something we can be proud of, or secure in. As it has been pointed out, we have allowed 100 points in two divisional games. We have beat the 1-3 Chiefs, and 0-4 Browns.

[Oaf]

The way we played in the 2nd half we still would've lost. We couldn't stop anything they did. That TD wouldn't have made one difference in the outcome.

I disagree, 28-7 changes how Belichick calls his plays. The fumble also signaled a change in momentum. It certainly could have affected the outcome.

Despite Wanny's refusal to insert the 4-3, which clearly wasn't in the gameplan, I'm as peeved that Gailey didn't put Jackson in at the goaline instead of Spiller. Spiller, a move-the-pile, goalline back? C'mon man.

[kishoph]

As bad as the Bills did play in the 2nd half, it was the turnovers that cost the game, counting the onside kick, there were 4 turnovers in the 4th quarter (24 Pats points), giving the Pats an average drive start at the Bills 30. If those turnovers were instead Bills points or at least time consuming drives, the outcome could have been different. In both the Jets game and the Pats game the defense failed to adjust as the game went on, but it was turnovers (specifically ints.) in both of those games that was the deciding factor. The defense was "gashed" in the 4th quarter of the Pats game, but it's got to be pretty hard when you're getting no help from the offense and instead you keep getting thrown back out on the field before you can even catch your breath, with the ball deep in your territory for the whole quarter.

[kishoph]

I disagree, 28-7 changes how Belichick calls his plays. The fumble also signaled a change in momentum. It certainly could have affected the outcome.

Despite Wanny's refusal to insert the 4-3, which clearly wasn't in the gameplan, I'm as peeved that Gailey didn't put Jackson in at the goaline instead of Spiller. Spiller, a move-the-pile, goalline back? C'mon man.

The majority of Bills fans (myself included) were upset that Spiller was always taken out when the Bills got inside the 10, now that something bad happened, people forget what they were calling for and are bashing Gailey for having Spiller in there. IMO, the Jackson fumble was more damaging. "Fans" always want it both ways. Another example is, people are now *****ing that the Bills signed Mario Williams and paid him all that money, if the Bills had failed to sign Williams, the same people would be calling Ralph a cheap bastard because he wouldn't pay Williams enough money to get him to come here.

[jamze132]

This team doesn't come close to comparing with the early 90s teams. It wasn't like our guys just had a bad day last week and threw in the towel. Our scheme is the ****ing problem, our coaches who refuse to adjust mid-game is the ****ing problem, and our inconsistent QB is the ****ing problem. Shore those three things up and we'll start to talk.

[jamze132]

The majority of Bills fans (myself included) were upset that Spiller was always taken out when the Bills got inside the 10, now that something bad happened, people forget what they were calling for and are bashing Gailey for having Spiller in there. IMO, the Jackson fumble was more damaging. "Fans" always want it both ways. Another example is, people are now *****ing that the Bills signed Mario Williams and paid him all that money, if the Bills had failed to sign Williams, the same people would be calling Ralph a cheap bastard because he wouldn't pay Williams enough money to get him to come here.

The bottom line and the point trying to be made is that you don't run a guy like Spiller into the heart of a defense in a goal line stance on a dive play. You use a bigger guy if you want to do that. There's a guy named Wilfork who can swallow two people right in the middle in that case.

[kishoph]

The bottom line and the point trying to be made is that you don't run a guy like Spiller into the heart of a defense in a goal line stance on a dive play. You use a bigger guy if you want to do that. There's a guy named Wilfork who can swallow two people right in the middle in that case.

I would of like to seen it ran to the outside myself, still, Spiller has shown some toughness inside and I'd guess that 8 out of 10 times that would be a TD. There's always going to be plays in a game that a coach would want back or would have done differently. I'm not saying it was the right or wrong call, but instead I'm just trying to point out how "fans" always want it both ways.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

The bottom line and the point trying to be made is that you don't run a guy like Spiller into the heart of a defense in a goal line stance on a dive play. You use a bigger guy if you want to do that. There's a guy named Wilfork who can swallow two people right in the middle in that case.

yea, and wilforks wife can swallow three people.

[OpIv37]

Winning September gets you nowhere.

Living week to week is a rollercoaster ride. Every team is going to lose games where they look horrible.

In 1990, we got creamed by the Dolphins Week 2.

<tbody>
2
September 16, 1990
at Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Miami_Dolphins_season)
L 7–30
1–1
Joe Robbie Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Life_Stadium)
<center>68,142</center>

</tbody>
In 1991, the Nigerian Nightmare would have caused mass panic in the information age.

<tbody>
6
October 7, 1991
at Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season)
Arrowhead Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowhead_Stadium)
L 6–33
5–1
ABC 9:00pm
<center>76,120</center>

</tbody>
In 1992, the Superbowl Bills put up only 10 points, getting smoked in consecutive weeks.

<tbody>
5
October 4, 1992
Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Miami_Dolphins_season)
Rich Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium)
L 37–10
4–1
<center>80,368</center>


6
October 11, 1992
at Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season)
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum)
L 20–3
4–2
<center>52,287</center>

</tbody>
In 1993, the Bills were shut out against the Steelers.

<tbody>
11
November 15, 1993
at Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season)
Three Rivers Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rivers_Stadium)
L 0–23
7–2
<center>60,265</center>

</tbody>



Lots can happen still.

Wanny needs to adjust the defensive gameplan and stop depending on the front 4 to provide the pass rush alone.

When we Blitz, the defense looks good. When we hold, the defense is ****.

Simple as that.

Enjoy the journey. Only one team gets to win it all.

Only one of those examples has 2 September blowouts, and none of them have 2 September blowouts within the division. And that team was much, much, much better than this one.

And there's nothing enjoyable about giving up 100 points to division teams in two games. So **** the journey. Time for results.

[stuckincincy]

Despite Wanny's refusal to insert the 4-3, which clearly wasn't in the gameplan, I'm as peeved that Gailey didn't put Jackson in at the goaline instead of Spiller. Spiller, a move-the-pile, goalline back? C'mon man.

TMQ chimes in on Spiller"

..."Going into the contest, the Patriots were on a 16-1 streak versus the Bills, and a 53-15 streak in the division. So what was star C.J. Spiller doing playing injured? Spiller separated his shoulder the week before, and belonged in a sweatsuit. Buffalo leading 14-7 with goal-to-go, Spiller carried up the middle against an overstack, lowered his shoulder, was hit on his shoulder and fumbled. A guy who just separated his shoulder can't be a dive back at the goal line!"...

http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8449538/offenses-scoring-control-time-tweak-some-rules