Our run D was excellent first 3 games.

[Oaf]

No world beaters faced, but neither are the Pats backs. What exactly changed?

[BillsFever21]

The Jets didn't need to run.

The Chiefs are horrible and got behind so early in the game they were forced to pass. Charles has done good the past couple weeks but we put them in a forced pass mode early on.

Ditto with the Browns to a point.

Plus eventually teams start getting film on you and find out how to attack what you're doing. Kind of like our offense last season when teams caught on to what we were doing after the first month.

Most teams and coaches are able to do this with some success except for the Bills coaches. They don't have any counters to the changes the other teams make.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Excellent?

Vs. the Jets, we were down so much, so quickly that we could spend the rest of the day keying on the run. Still - they got 118 yards and long 2nd half drives.

Vs. the Chiefs, we gave up 150 yards on 24 carries. A horrendous 6.3 y/c. And that was WITHOUT Charles going off.

Sure, we shut down Cleveland, but it's Cleveland. Not like we needed to concern ourselves with Old Man Weeden and the Dropsies beating us.

[BillsFever21]

Excellent?

Vs. the Jets, we were down so much, so quickly that we could spend the rest of the day keying on the run. Still - they got 118 yards and long 2nd half drives.

Vs. the Chiefs, we gave up 150 yards on 24 carries. A horrendous 6.3 y/c. And that was WITHOUT Charles going off.

Sure, we shut down Cleveland, but it's Cleveland. Not like we needed to concern ourselves with Old Man Weeden and the Dropsies beating us.

When you're giving up 200-300 yards a game 100+ yards seems like a "good" statistic to many people. Hell even I would take that the past couple weeks.

[Don't Panic]

I haven't seen this one yet, but the bottom line is that the Pats may very well be playing the Niners in the Super Bowl in a few months, so that deserves to be said. The fact we were blown out by both is not negated by that fact, but it does justify to some extent why they were able to do whatever they wanted to us. They have and will do the same to many others this year. Let's see if the Cards approach record status against us.

[BillsFever21]

I haven't seen this one yet, but the bottom line is that the Pats may very well be playing the Niners in the Super Bowl in a few months, so that deserves to be said. The fact we were blown out by both is not negated by that fact, but it does justify to some extent why they were able to do whatever they wanted to us. They have and will do the same to many others this year. Let's see if the Cards approach record status against us.

That's just making excuses for our ineptness. Wasn't there a lot of people a few weeks ago saying that the Patriots were finished and probably wouldn't make the playoffs? That was just moronic.

Even if they could be the SB matchup we set records in back-to-back weeks for futility. They have played 8 other combined games this season and that didn't happen. It's not like the 49ers even have a great offense and we made it look like they were playing a college football team.

Them same 49ers, although an exception, was beat by the Vikings and the Lions played them close. The Cardinals beat New England. No other team has gotten their asses handed to them as bad as we have in back-to-back weeks.

Also if you want to take them out of the equation then what happened against the Jets? They put 40+ points on us and has scored around half that many points since then. It's not just the Patriots and 49ers.

[Raptor]

In a nutshell when your offense keeps racking up 3 and outs your defense is going to get worn down and start giving up big plays

The Patriots however just flat out exploited a poor and stupid game plan by the Bills with Scott at LB on nearly every play

[BillsFever21]

In a nutshell when your offense keeps racking up 3 and outs your defense is going to get worn down and start giving up big plays

The Patriots however just flat out exploited a poor and stupid game plan by the Bills with Scott at LB on nearly every play

The Jaguars, Jets and other teams have a horrible offense. There offenses are just pitiful while ours is at least respectable. I don't see them giving up 50 points, 600+ yards a game and setting new records in consecutive weeks.

[TigerJ]

In a nutshell when your offense keeps racking up 3 and outs your defense is going to get worn down and start giving up big plays

The Patriots however just flat out exploited a poor and stupid game plan by the Bills with Scott at LB on nearly every playWe have a winner.

[Raptor]

The Jaguars, Jets and other teams have a horrible offense. There offenses are just pitiful while ours is at least respectable. I don't see them giving up 50 points, 600+ yards a game and setting new records in consecutive weeks.


Have either played 2 of the top 5 teams in the NFL in back to back weeks?

People seem to forget we lost to two teams that were clearly better than us before we even stepped on the field

[TigerJ]

In a nutshell when your offense keeps racking up 3 and outs your defense is going to get worn down and start giving up big plays

The Patriots however just flat out exploited a poor and stupid game plan by the Bills with Scott at LB on nearly every playWe have a winner.

[Oaf]

We have a winner.

Right, then the 9er's exploited the fact that when we play a 43, Sheppard and Moats play like the 2nd coming of Keith Ellison and Eddie Robinson. Seems like we're d***** if we do, d***** if we don't for Wannstedt.

[BillsFever21]

Have either played 2 of the top 5 teams in the NFL in back to back weeks?

People seem to forget we lost to two teams that were clearly better than us before we even stepped on the field

That might work under normal circumstances but there isn't any excuse you can use for 97 points, 1,200+ yards and two NFL records in consecutive weeks.

Plus it's not like the 49ers have an explosive offense. We made their offense and Alex Smith look like the best in the history of the NFL. Well actually they were that game since they set a single game record that have never been done in the history of the NFL.

If you want to use that as an excuse go right ahead but when for 6 straight quarters teams have done whatever they have wanted either running or passing that is on the defense. There has been many putrid offenses in the league for years and this lack of performance by a defense has never been seen before. It may never be seen again. You can't just use the offense as the excuse for that.

The defense wasn't tired at the beginning of the game as the 49ers were moving up and down the field at will against us were they? It looked closer because they had a fumble AND a penalty that took sure quick points off the board for them in the 1st half. Maybe the defense was already tired when they walked out on the field? Gailey better not work them so hard in the pre-game warmups next time.

[BillsFever21]

Also what about the Jets in week one and their 40+ point performance where we made them look like the best offense in the NFL from the start of the game? I guess that was because of a tired defense and a lethal offense that the Jets have.

[Raptor]

That might work under normal circumstances but there isn't any excuse you can use for 97 points, 1,200+ yards and two NFL records in consecutive weeks.

Plus it's not like the 49ers have an explosive offense. We made their offense and Alex Smith look like the best in the history of the NFL. Well actually they were that game since they set a single game record that have never been done in the history of the NFL.

If you want to use that as an excuse go right ahead but when for 6 straight quarters teams have done whatever they have wanted either running or passing that is on the defense. There has been many putrid offenses in the league for years and this lack of performance by a defense has never been seen before. It may never be seen again. You can't just use the offense as the excuse for that.

Who is making excuses? Got to read whats written kid and the bottom line is people love to look at the defense and assign all the blame to them but when your offense is inept as ours is and constantly puts your defense in horrible situations with short drives and turnovers that the defense is eventually going to give out.


The defense wasn't tired at the beginning of the game as the 49ers were moving up and down the field at will against us were they? It looked closer because they had a fumble AND a penalty that took sure quick points off the board for them in the 1st half. Maybe the defense was already tired when they walked out on the field? Gailey better not work them so hard in the pre-game warmups next time.

So this is basically you admitting that you didnt watch the game or you didnt understand a thing that you were watching. Tell me what was the score with 50 or so seconds left on the clock before the Bills offense turned the ball over in 49er territory?

[BillsFever21]

It doesn't mean they weren't moving the ball good. As I said before, a chop block penalty that they had which wiped out about a 45 yard gain ended up being a 60 yard penalty and they fumbled the ball on another drive that began at the 3. We forced a couple punts in the first half. I guess that's considered good by our standards now.

They had 210 yards of total offense in the first half and the TOP wasn't a huge difference then ours on offense. I guess 210 yards and 17 points in the first half isn't a lot. It would've been worse if we weren't lucky enough to hold them to a FG on their opening drive that they went right down the field on like nothing on us.

Your standards have sunk so low that you consider 210 yards allowed as pretty good in the first half. Thank god for some penalties that brought back big plays or it would've been even more.

Who's making excuses? It's obvious you are. There isn't any excuses that you can make for a team that has given up two records in consecutive weeks. You can try and blame it on the offense all you want but that is just making excuses. Bad offenses have been around for years and teams are doing what has never been done in almost 50 years of the NFL.

And what about the Patriots game? Can you blame that on a horrible offense that left our poor defense battered, beaten and tired? We were up 21-7 and was scoring points and moving the ball good. At the start of the 2nd half they moved the ball at will against us too. It wasn't because of a tired defense when we couldn't stop a pass or run starting with the 2nd half of that game either.

The 49ers first drive after halftime even after a fairly even TOP in the first half they went right down the field and scored a TD..and the next, and next, and next, ect..Of course once a team gets down so far especially against a defense like the 49ers they are doomed. Our defense couldn't stop Alex Smith who is just an average QB.

I can see somebody trying to put some of the blame on a bad offense but it doesn't matter when you give up 90 POINTS IN THE LAST 6 QUARTERS. To try and say that isn't the defenses fault is pure nonsense and making excuses. We're talking about something that doesn't happen in the NFL in two consecutive weeks.

This clearly shows a putrid defense, average offense and a completely horrible coaching staff that can't make any adjustments and a team that can't play with a decent team for more then 30 minutes of the game.

Also last time I remembered defense is part of the game and it's their duty to make some kind of a stop. We haven't forced a punt in the 2nd half in two weeks. But yeah it's all the offenses fault LOL. I mean the 49ers only had drives of 66+ yards in 6 of their 10 possessions and drives of 70+ yards in half of their possessions. Has nothing to do with the defense though. Poor guys getting blamed for all these yards and points their giving up.

[BillsFever21]

I guess a 2 play-74 yard drive at the beginning of the 2nd quarter was the offenses fault. Then the 12 yard-77 play drive that started at the 3 in the 2nd quarter was because of the offense putting them in another horrible situation. They even had 2 chances to get off the field inside the 5 yard line at the start of that drive on 3rd down. They picked it up but a penalty called it back and then they made a 3rd and 10 from the 1 again right after that. Poor defense getting screwed by our offense there.

Or maybe it was the 5 play drive for 66 yards and the 13 play drive for 94 yards after that. None of this had anything to do with the defense.

This team is bad all around from coaching, offense and especially defense. It all revolves around coaching. You must be someone who thought we were going to have a Top 5 dominant defense this year because of Mario Williams, etc and now you don't want to believe any of the 1,200 yards and 97 points are their fault lol.

[Mike]

Have either played 2 of the top 5 teams in the NFL in back to back weeks?

People seem to forget we lost to two teams that were clearly better than us before we even stepped on the field

You seem to forget that what the Bills have accomplished is Historic! No other team in the History of the NFL (and yes there have been many teams with a worst offense than ours that have played great teams in back to back weeks) has given up so much in 2 consecutive games: 4 100 yard rushers, 4 100 yard receivers, 2 300 yard passers, over 1,000 yards of offense and nearly 100points!!!

Its historic in proportion and to justify it in any way shape or form just goes to show a sign of ineptitude so large that it should be understood that having a realistic point of view or an unbiased view of things maybe impossible for you.

There's only 1 lagit way to interpret this info, the Bills Defense simply sucks really really bad.

[Mike]

Actually all of the offenses that the Bills have been destroyed by showed areas of weakness and struggled in previous/post weeks. The 49ers offense is above average, but not a top unit in the NFL. The Pats offense struggled most of the season until they played the Bills and the Jets offense has had a hard time scoring since the Bills game. Its hard to imagine what excuse some of you may wish to employ this time around, but even the offense that have absolutely destroyed this Defense were not world beaters by any means.

[BillsFever21]

You seem to forget that what the Bills have accomplished is Historic! No other team in the History of the NFL (and yes there have been many teams with a worst offense than ours that have played great teams in back to back weeks) has given up so much in 2 consecutive games: 4 100 yard rushers, 4 100 yard receivers, 2 300 yard passers, over 1,000 yards of offense and nearly 100points!!!

Its historic in proportion and to justify it in any way shape or form just goes to show a sign of ineptitude so large that it should be understood that having a realistic point of view or an unbiased view of things maybe impossible for you.

There's only 1 lagit way to interpret this info, the Bills Defense simply sucks really really bad.

It has nothing to do with the defense. It's all because of the offense.

No team has ever had a bad offensive game against a good team that could be in the SB to compare it with and that's why it's never happened. It's only the Bills in the past couple weeks.

[BillsFever21]

Wow the Jets just played the 49ers and Houston in consecutive weeks and they didn't give up 97 points and 1,200+ yards. It must be a conspiracy.

Even as bad as the Jets offense was in that game they only gave up 34 points and that was after about 4 TO's, 5 sacks and one of the TO's and Holmes' fumbled going for a TD. That means their defense only gave up 27 points with all the horrible situations they put their defense in. It's definitely a conspiracy.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

so wait, ....

we get kyle back, dareus year 2, sign mario and anderson....

AND WE GET WORSE????? WTF????