Alex Smith

[Mike]

Alex Smith is NOT a solution at QB, at best he is a stop gap which can most likely cost you the chance of drafting a top talent in the near future. Just look at the guy's track record. He has had 1 good season leading the 49ers to the Championship game only later to be barely resigned by the 49ers. This year he lost his job via injury to a second year second round QB who has given the offense quite the spark.

All of this is quite amazing. How often does a starting QB on a potentially SB winning team lose his job? When was the last time that that happened? Its a testament that he is not good enough even when all the other pieces are in place.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Your right. Alex Smith wouldn't be a solution, just add to the growing dance of 5-11, 6-10 seasons that we seem to be entrenched in now.

[kishoph]

I don't want anyone's back-up or castoff.

[The King]

They can't pawn off Smith on this fanbase. Not as a permanent solution anyways.

[gebobs]

Why the heck not? Smith is way better than Fitz. With Smith, this team wins 3 more games EASY.

[The King]

Smith is smarter with the football for certain. But we're drafting a QB.

[OpIv37]

Alex Smith is NOT a solution at QB, at best he is a stop gap which can most likely cost you the chance of drafting a top talent in the near future. Just look at the guy's track record. He has had 1 good season leading the 49ers to the Championship game only later to be barely resigned by the 49ers. This year he lost his job via injury to a second year second round QB who has given the offense quite the spark.

All of this is quite amazing. How often does a starting QB on a potentially SB winning team lose his job? When was the last time that that happened? Its a testament that he is not good enough even when all the other pieces are in place.

I don't disagree with this.

But I think there is a good chance that we end up with Smith or another year of Fitz.

Why? Who else are we going to get? There is no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this draft. Even if we get one of the top prospects this year, they likely won't be able to start right away. And we will still need a vet backup- even this team isn't dumb enough to go into the season with a rookie starter and Thigpen as a backup (plus, the next coach won't have Gailey's inexplicable love affair with Thigpen).

As far as vets, all the other options are worse than Smith. Flacco may be available but it'll be Fitz all over again. We'll have to pay way more than he's worth to get him. Vick is worse than Fitz or Alex Smith at this point. Sanchez is worse than Fitz (as we saw yesterday). Cutler or Rivers would require a trade at a hefty price, and that's assuming their teams are willing to trade them.

The options at QB just suck right now.

[The King]

I think Smith can be brought into compete. But I dont think he;s the end all answer.

[Mike]

Why the heck not? Smith is way better than Fitz. With Smith, this team wins 3 more games EASY.

See there two types of fans, the first wants to see his team win a SB and does not care much if the team is 1-15 or 9-7 if it lacks the talent to do grow. The second type of fan would prefer that his team has a middle of the road QB named Smith instead of a bellow average QB named Fits simply so his team can be 8-8 instead of 6-10.

[Mike]

I don't disagree with this.

But I think there is a good chance that we end up with Smith or another year of Fitz.

Why? Who else are we going to get? There is no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this draft. Even if we get one of the top prospects this year, they likely won't be able to start right away. And we will still need a vet backup- even this team isn't dumb enough to go into the season with a rookie starter and Thigpen as a backup (plus, the next coach won't have Gailey's inexplicable love affair with Thigpen).

As far as vets, all the other options are worse than Smith. Flacco may be available but it'll be Fitz all over again. We'll have to pay way more than he's worth to get him. Vick is worse than Fitz or Alex Smith at this point. Sanchez is worse than Fitz (as we saw yesterday). Cutler or Rivers would require a trade at a hefty price, and that's assuming their teams are willing to trade them.

The options at QB just suck right now.

Sometimes when there is no solution its a good thing. Looking back, as its the best way to illustrate my point, would you have preferred that the Bills drafted Clausen (they were considering at the time) simply because they needed a QB and he fell to the second round?

Let them play the man they traded for in the offseason, or even another year of Fitz. I know it will be very hard to sell tickets, but in the end I hope they draft the next great prospect. Johnny Football comes to mind, and he will be available in 2 years.

Football really should be thought of as a strategic game mostly played in the offseason which encompasses a five year plan or a secession of them. In this way, you can plan for the long term competitiveness of the team with the focus on wining an SB. That being said, when a once in a generation players is on the horizon like Luck or RG3 you do everything in your power to get them because if you dont two things will happen: 1) Your chances of winning a SB go alomost to zero for next 15 years as each generation has 3-6 Elite HOF QBs who win SB after SB. In fact 28/30 QBs who have won a SB were HOF or Future HOF QBs and the other 2 teams that won had All Time Great Defenses. In that time span, not one Pro Bowl QB or above average QB has won a SB outside of those two great defenses. 2) If you dont draft them they will be beating you for the next 15 years!

As a fan I want a SB. I dont care in the end if the team is 1-15 or 11-5 if the Talent sucks and has no opportunity to Win a SB. As a Fan that is all I care about, a potential Champion/Dynasty and the ONLY way in happens in our day of age is having a HOF QB. Considering that each generation may have 4-6 such QBs over a 10 year period, I hope that OWNERSHIP is insightful and visionary enough to do all it can to land such talent.

[Night Train]

No more mediocrity. Draft an athletic young guy and move forward.

[kishoph]

Whoever they have on top of their board, they should do whatever it takes to get him, not that in 2 years we hear, "well we liked him, but he was picked before our selection."

[lightningbolt444]

I hate hearing I don't want other teams cast offs. People are saying it for coaches and Qbs. Smith is a stop gap at best but especially with a coach most if not all great coaches failed along the lines and were someone's castoffs.

The chance we pull a guy off the street with no experience and they are good is almost non existent. The best thing is put pieces together that fit together. Get a qb that fits the next coach get a
Coach that fits our current group of players a bit. We have a solid core in some areas.

If these are castoffs at either qb or coach I don't care as long as it leads to wins.

[madness]

I'd rather not swap Fitz for WC Fitz.

[RedEyE]

I have to agree hes not the answer but in a draft as weak in QB as this one, the Bills are going to have to explore all options. That coud mean a Seattle style "let the cream rise to the top" offseason bringing in seasoned vet QBs and grabbering 1 or 2 QBs later in the draft.

At 8 overall if Barkley and Manti are both on the board you really can't fault the Bills for going with Teo. And that is just one example. Both Geno and Barkley could very well be gone by 8 overall. What then? Do you reach for a mid to late 1st round QB or take best player available? Do they push to trade up to get a better angle on the QB of their choice?

With that being said guys like Alex Smith can't be ignored. And of course all of this will hinge on the next coach and his offensive philosophy.

[Don't Panic]

I only see Smith coming if we hire Roman and he makes the call that he is worth acquiring.

[swiper]

Smith is smarter with the football for certain. But we're drafting a QB.

When the 2012 season ended, Alex Smith was the #3 rated QB in the entire NFL (104.1). He is head & shoulders better than any QB in this upcoming draft. At the very least he would be an excellent patch for 2 or 3 years while they find a young QB to develop. Geno Smith, Glennon, Nassib looked terrible in bowl games.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

i dont mind getting alex smith at all and drafting a qb in rd 1 or 2...

alex is better than fitz and with the right coach could go far with the talent on the oline and spiller/jackson/stevie

[gebobs]

See there two types of fans, the first wants to see his team win a SB and does not care much if the team is 1-15 or 9-7 if it lacks the talent to do grow. The second type of fan would prefer that his team has a middle of the road QB named Smith instead of a bellow average QB named Fits simply so his team can be 8-8 instead of 6-10.
With Alex Smith, we make the playoffs this year. We all want to win Super Bowls, but you can't do until you get to the post season. Once there, anyone can go all the way.

Alex Smith would not only be a huge upgrade over Fitz, he would be an upgrade over just about every quarterback in franchise history. Of course, that's not saying much. But dammit all, I'm sick and tired of this sad parade of clowns this franchise trots out year in and year out. The Jets will get Smith and we'll be stuck with Tavaris Jackson. They'll contend for the division and we'll be looking at a 14th season of fail.

[YardRat]

With Alex Smith, we make the playoffs this year. We all want to win Super Bowls, but you can't do until you get to the post season. Once there, anyone can go all the way.

Alex Smith would not only be a huge upgrade over Fitz, he would be an upgrade over just about every quarterback in franchise history. Of course, that's not saying much. But dammit all, I'm sick and tired of this sad parade of clowns this franchise trots out year in and year out. The Jets will get Smith and we'll be stuck with Tavaris Jackson. They'll contend for the division and we'll be looking at a 14th season of fail.

Wow, that's just so wrong, couldn't disagree more.

Smith coming here would bring back nightmarish flashbacks of Bruce Mathison and Vince Ferragamo.

The only chance he would have of being remotely successful in Buffalo is if miraculously the defense shot up to one of the top 3 in the league and the offense was completely based on a power running attack, which we have zero ability to run with the current oline and RB's on the roster.

[gebobs]

Wow, that's just so wrong, couldn't disagree more.

Smith coming here would bring back nightmarish flashbacks of Bruce Mathison and Vince Ferragamo.

The only chance he would have of being remotely successful in Buffalo is if miraculously the defense shot up to one of the top 3 in the league and the offense was completely based on a power running attack, which we have zero ability to run with the current oline and RB's on the roster.
You obviously don't see how bad our quarterback is. How many more points did the Bills give up and how many more did they squander because of Fitz? 54 turnovers in 32 games over the past two seasons. He's so bad he brings the team down with him. You can see the frustration in the players every time he short hops a ball or worse throws a pick with time running out.

With Smith this year, I think we would have swept the Dolphins and beaten the Titans, Rams, and Colts. We would have been far more competitive against the Pats and Texans, possibly taking one or both of those games. Just the fact that they can count on their quarterback not to do the most boneheaded plays is going to elevate the team morale which is now dead and buried. When the Bills were down by one or two scores in the 4th quarter, did anyone feel like they would pull off a game? No way. We all knew that it would end in another sputtering drive of dinks and dunks.

I know SF is going to want a lot for Smith and for that reason I don't think he's worth it. I'd like to entertain the thought though. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Smith is way way better than Fitz or Jackson.

[Ingtar33]

you can win a Superbowl with Alex Smith; you just need an outstanding defense and a great running game. He was having a great year this year before Harbaugh moved on from him. It wasn't Smith's fault, he just was the old regime's guy.

If you want a guy to run a great play action ball control offense, smith is your guy. If you want a guy to light up the scoreboard and threaten a defense he isn't.

[acehole]

Thank you op....When you say everone kisses your ass ...when I say it I get laughed at.

It is the truth either way.

We can still get a qb to groom.....Fitz, smith, draft pic. done.


I don't disagree with this.

But I think there is a good chance that we end up with Smith or another year of Fitz.

Why? Who else are we going to get? There is no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this draft. Even if we get one of the top prospects this year, they likely won't be able to start right away. And we will still need a vet backup- even this team isn't dumb enough to go into the season with a rookie starter and Thigpen as a backup (plus, the next coach won't have Gailey's inexplicable love affair with Thigpen).

As far as vets, all the other options are worse than Smith. Flacco may be available but it'll be Fitz all over again. We'll have to pay way more than he's worth to get him. Vick is worse than Fitz or Alex Smith at this point. Sanchez is worse than Fitz (as we saw yesterday). Cutler or Rivers would require a trade at a hefty price, and that's assuming their teams are willing to trade them.

The options at QB just suck right now.

[kishoph]

When the 2012 season ended, Alex Smith was the #3 rated QB in the entire NFL (104.1). He is head & shoulders better than any QB in this upcoming draft. At the very least he would be an excellent patch for 2 or 3 years while they find a young QB to develop. Geno Smith, Glennon, Nassib looked terrible in bowl games.


Sometimes it's as much as a month between the regular season ending and a bowl game, QB's can easily get a little off in that time. I never put much stock into 1 game. Also I'm really not interested in a 2 year band aid, there will be QB's that will be successful out of this draft, you just have to find the right one and grab him when your time comes.

[Mike]

I hate hearing I don't want other teams cast offs. People are saying it for coaches and Qbs. Smith is a stop gap at best but especially with a coach most if not all great coaches failed along the lines and were someone's castoffs.

The chance we pull a guy off the street with no experience and they are good is almost non existent. The best thing is put pieces together that fit together. Get a qb that fits the next coach get a
Coach that fits our current group of players a bit. We have a solid core in some areas.

If these are castoffs at either qb or coach I don't care as long as it leads to wins.

Fitz was suppose to be a stop gap but then he had a few good games combined with a good dosage of hope and delusion he was given a $65M contract. You don't need to bring a guy like Smith in as stop gap. Use whoever you already have and look forward to drafting next great prospect.

[acehole]

Fitz was suppose to be a stop gap but then he had a few good games combined with a good dosage of hope and delusion he was given a $65M contract. You don't need to bring a guy like Smith in as stop gap. Use whoever you already have and look forward to drafting next great prospect.

I agree with this...but not by itself. Unless you have a rgIII in this draft. He is more then a stop gap...and i would like to see fitz stay and battle smith....while developing draft pick...we have to much talent to gamble on a draft pick saving this team. If he doent pan out you just dump 150 million dollars and start again? I dont think your plan will sit well with the current roster.

[Mike]

I agree with this...but not by itself. Unless you have a rgIII in this draft. He is more then a stop gap...and i would like to see fitz stay and battle smith....while developing draft pick...we have to much talent to gamble on a draft pick saving this team. If he doent pan out you just dump 150 million dollars and start again? I dont think your plan will sit well with the current roster.

Thats the problem with the whole thing. The start that Fitz had cost the Bills a chance to draft RG3/Luck and $65M only to completely suck the 2nd half of the season. Smith might cost the Bills a chance to draft Johnny Football in 2yrs by winning a couple of extra meaningless games.

The only way Alex Smith wins a SB is if he has the 1985 Bears defense & offense around him, recond setting Ravens team that won an SB, or the 1970's Steelers defense. He needs at all time great supporting cast leaving him to manage games which was part of the reason he is not starting in SF!

Now what teams does he Not win a SB with? Simple: 90's Dallas, 80's SF, All GB, 00's Pitts, 00's NYG, NO, Ind, etc...

[acehole]

I dont agree. He was one stupid kick returner away. 104 qb rating and like 19 and 5 as a starter. What more do you want. like 4th best in nfl.


Thats the problem with the whole thing. The start that Fitz had cost the Bills a chance to draft RG3/Luck and $65M only to completely suck the 2nd half of the season. Smith might cost the Bills a chance to draft Johnny Football in 2yrs by winning a couple of extra meaningless games.

The only way Alex Smith wins a SB is if he has the 1985 Bears defense & offense around him, recond setting Ravens team that won an SB, or the 1970's Steelers defense. He needs at all time great supporting cast leaving him to manage games which was part of the reason he is not starting in SF!

Now what teams does he Not win a SB with? Simple: 90's Dallas, 80's SF, All GB, 00's Pitts, 00's NYG, NO, Ind, etc...

[Mike]

I dont agree. He was one stupid kick returner away. 104 qb rating and like 19 and 5 as a starter. What more do you want. like 4th best in nfl.

No if & buts don't count... Bill parcels always says you are what your record says you are.

49ers lost that game plain and simple. They had a chance to win it. They had a few chances, in the end what happens the better QB goes on to SB. If P. Manning or Brady was on that 49ers team I would bet the farm they would have dominated the Giants....

bTW: guys like Romo who are significantly better than Alex Smith have yet to win a SB what makes you think Smith can do it in Buffalo?

[acehole]

Ok well have you seen his record the last two years?

Have you seen that game?

He is better then Fitz in any statistical way and better then anyone in the draft.

I don't know that he can "do it" in Buffalo for you to say that he cant is an uninformed opinion.

My main point is a new coach old or retread or new is not going to want fitz or a draft pic.

Alex Smith is a good qb. Just because his coach benched him for his guy doesn't change his stats...his potential or his performance or value in this league.

or shall we just throw away every qb one game shy of sb because he didn't cut it?

Your post is just silly man.




No if & buts don't count... Bill parcels always says you are what your record says you are.

49ers lost that game plain and simple. They had a chance to win it. They had a few chances, in the end what happens the better QB goes on to SB. If P. Manning or Brady was on that 49ers team I would bet the farm they would have dominated the Giants....

bTW: guys like Romo who are significantly better than Alex Smith have yet to win a SB what makes you think Smith can do it in Buffalo?

[acehole]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21486727/tenpoint-stance-big-names-out-there-but-more-teams-seek-next-tomlin

[acehole]

Wisenhunt was asked repeatedly about Alex Smith in interview.'


So Bills brass seems to think he is worthy of discussing even though you find it a joke.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21486727/tenpoint-stance-big-names-out-there-but-more-teams-seek-next-tomlin

[Mike]

Ok well have you seen his record the last two years?

Have you seen that game?
Yes! In fact where I live I get all of the 49ers games and have seen Alex Smith play a number of times. In his career he has looked good exactly 2 times: 1st when Norv Turner was in charge of the offense and lastly with Harbaugh. The last 2 years, he has been a glorified game manager. Very good at that, proficient, but in a league dominated by Elite QBs he not good enough.


He is better then Fitz in any statistical way and better then anyone in the draft.
This means absolutely nothing to me. Fitz sucks and we can agree on that but actually has a better QBR than Alex Smith in last two fully played season (2010/2011). As for this year's draftees it remains to be seen.

What we do know is that Smith will miss open WR much the same way Fitz did. Smith is good when he has a top 1 defense, a great RB and TE, and a lead. Then all he has to do is throw a few play action passes to wide open WR for the win. If you look at the final stats it can be misleading. Watching the games and the play by play breakdown, you will see what his limitations are. Further QBR can show some insight into this as it takes each play and how well the player performed into account:

2011 QBR:
Alex Smith: 45.8%
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 50.5%

2010 QBR:
Alex Smith: 40.1%
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 48.4%

*2009 Fitz was a backup and did n0t play full season, in 2012 Smith is now backup and did not play full season.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2010


I don't know that he can "do it" in Buffalo for you to say that he cant is an uninformed opinion.
ITs all opinion... all of it, but some opinions are more realistic than others. HE Could not do it in SF with an all star cast. Look at how many Pro Bowlers the 49ers have this year. In fact, the NFC PB defense has a 49er at every level... Then look at their run game, their WR and line. They are better than the Bills in all areas save for RB. Their O-line is better, their TE is way better, their WR are much better, and SMITH with all of this talent around him could not Dominate. IF he is worth getting and trading for, he should be dominant. If you want Fitz 2.o let me know because thats what it seems like.


My main point is a new coach old or retread or new is not going to want fitz or a draft pic.
How could you possibly know what a new head coach will want. Maybe the new head coach decides to go after a QB in the 2014 draft or even 2015??? Maybe they do what Shanahan did.... that is play a bunch of retreads like Rex Grossman and trade an entire draft for a the next top QB prospect.

Alex Smith is a good qb. Just because his coach benched him for his guy doesn't change his stats...his potential or his performance or value in this league.

Depends on what you mean by good and by value in this league. In the last 30 years how many good QBs have won a SB? Do you know? Because it seems like you have no idea.

In the last 30years, 28 of the winning SB QBs were HOF or future HOF QBs! The other 2 played for a defense like the 49ers but better. THe other two SB winners were teams that had HISTORICALLY GREAT DEFENSES. So unless you think the Bills Defense can turn in the the Ravens defense or the 1985 Bears Defense and allow only 165 points for the whole season (remember that they gave up almost 200pts in 4 games!) and pitch shutouts in the post season while having a 2,000 yard rusher and a HOF TE and great O-Line then the Bills have .00000000001% Chance of winning SB with Alex Smith.

or shall we just throw away every qb one game shy of sb because he didn't cut it?
Is that your barometer for signing a player? That they made it to a championship game? Every year back up QBs make it to the SB, why not sign them? And why are you giving Smith most of the credit? It was the team that him there, not the other way around. He was an average QB in 2011. He was a game manager, nothing more. All he had to do, was not lose the game.

Your post is just silly man.
Your Post have no foundation. By reading them, I would guess that your the type of fan that would be happy with a 9-7 finish. A 10-6 and maybe and one and done in the playoffs. Our goals are clearly different. You want a few win, what I want is what the Pats have, what the Cowboys and 49ers had, but something that Buffalo has only dreamed of, a SB and a dynasty.

At the end, QBs like Alex Smith are not good enough. He will not be a HOF. He probably will not make a Pro Bowl anytime soon. And history shows that QBs like that don't win the big one. So there is the real difference between us. I prefer we go 1-15 the next 3 seasons and land a guy like RG3 or Luck or Johnny Football and then dominate for the next 15 years and win a SB oppose to going 9-7 next season...

value in this league?
Of course he has value. In the following two ways: 1) he is a back up on a great team with a good-great QB... in fact his current role 2) He becomes a starter to a QB starved team like Kevin Kolb became the starter for the Cards...

[Mike]

Wisenhunt was asked repeatedly about Alex Smith in interview.'


So Bills brass seems to think he is worthy of discussing even though you find it a joke.

Looking at the Bills track record over the last 13 years, I am in fact getting the last laugh. A blind monkey throwing a dart at a draft board could have done a better job than the FO has.

[Mike]

If Smith comes to Buffalo, I hope that it does not cost the Bills a chance at a Franchise QB.
I dont want to hear members eventually complaining that Alex is not good enough after initially supporting him..if the experiment fails, DO Not Blame it on Hind Sight 20/20.... but put it in the THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER Category...

IF the Jets Get ALEX SMITH, don't instantly change your mind and say he sucked all along.

If the BILLS do get Alex Smith and Co... I will wish the very best for him and the organization. I will root for him and be excited with the prospect of change and hope that he will pleasantly surprise me....

[acehole]

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2013_NFL_Draft.html



Whatever.

My post stands.

Your posts look like a contortionist wrote them to make a point.

You opinion is that he sucks. we got it.

Your opinion is that a coach would want a 2nd round pick as qb over alex smith got it.

If you dont win a superbowl you are not worthy to play on the bills but if we draft you in second round you are?

:lolabove:



We can agree to disagree.





If Smith comes to Buffalo, I hope that it does not cost the Bills a chance at a Franchise QB.
I dont want to hear members eventually complaining that Alex is not good enough after initially supporting him..if the experiment fails, DO Not Blame it on Hind Sight 20/20.... but put it in the THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER Category...

IF the Jets Get ALEX SMITH, don't instantly change your mind and say he sucked all along.

If the BILLS do get Alex Smith and Co... I will wish the very best for him and the organization. I will root for him and be excited with the prospect of change and hope that he will pleasantly surprise me....

[acehole]

This is different issue and can be argued separetly. My original post was that we interviewed Gurdan (Accoring to my info) My contention/prediction was if that happens he will want a stable qb situation as would any perspective coach as thier careers live and die by that postion usually. You wanted to argue the merits of that...fine I did. I am not advocating alex smith just the merits of such a move. In this case I would like it. We now see the blogosphere backing up my prediction of alex smith to buffalo....I also told you people we would have Ryan Fitpatrick as our next qb...and posters like you said same thing. That is one prediction I wish I didnt make...but it happened.

Stay tuned...your need for being right clouds your ability to learn anything.


Looking at the Bills track record over the last 13 years, I am in fact getting the last laugh. A blind monkey throwing a dart at a draft board could have done a better job than the FO has.

[acehole]

PS I love how you left out the 2012 season because it did not fit your narrative that he sucks and that fitz is no better.

Read and see how simple facts get in the way of your argument.


http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/08/two-years-after-hitting-bottom-alex-smith-tops-nfl-in-qb-rating/

[Mike]

PS I love how you left out the 2012 season because it did not fit your narrative that he sucks and that fitz is no better.

Read and see how simple facts get in the way of your argument.


http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/08/two-years-after-hitting-bottom-alex-smith-tops-nfl-in-qb-rating/

I mentioned in my post that I did not include 2009 & 2012 because they were incomplete years for at least one of the players.

As far who is the better QB, to me it's Smith, clearly but that doesn't mean he is good enough in my book. Now if Gruden wanted XYZ QB, regardless of who it was, I trust in his decision and ability to make it work as he has demonstrated himself to be one of the Best QB gurus of our generation.

[Historian]

WE could probably still get Levi Brown back....

[acehole]

I mentioned in my post that I did not include 2009 & 2012 because they were incomplete years for at least one of the players.

As far who is the better QB, to me it's Smith, clearly but that doesn't mean he is good enough in my book. Now if Gruden wanted XYZ QB, regardless of who it was, I trust in his decision and ability to make it work as he has demonstrated himself to be one of the Best QB gurus of our generation.


You have a very small book.

[sukie]

Gruden a QB Guru? Really? Where?

He did well with Gannon who was a veteran QB... Okay fine. He got alot of mileage out of him but after that...

Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Bruce Gradkowski and two meh seasons with Jeff Garcia.

[Typ0]

Smith would be a huge upgrade at the QB position for us. The guy has demonstrated he can play and to even suggest that is not as good as a joe football draft pick is asinine. Bring him in and we should all be happy with the move.

[SABURZFAN]

Alex Smith is NOT a solution at QB, at best he is a stop gap which can most likely cost you the chance of drafting a top talent in the near future. Just look at the guy's track record. He has had 1 good season leading the 49ers to the Championship game only later to be barely resigned by the 49ers. This year he lost his job via injury to a second year second round QB who has given the offense quite the spark.

All of this is quite amazing. How often does a starting QB on a potentially SB winning team lose his job? When was the last time that that happened? Its a testament that he is not good enough even when all the other pieces are in place.

but.. but.. but acehole says Smith is the guy. he's right more times than he is wrong too. he said it so you HAVE to believe him.

[acehole]

Says the Jealous stalker who never posts about football.

Whats a matter fatty no buffets at Casino Niagara to empty?

If you can find your mom give her all my love.

:lmao:


but.. but.. but acehole says Smith is the guy. he's right more times than he is wrong too. he said it so you HAVE to believe him.

[acehole]

I think so. More news is coming out about this.High character guy as well.




Smith would be a huge upgrade at the QB position for us. The guy has demonstrated he can play and to even suggest that is not as good as a joe football draft pick is asinine. Bring him in and we should all be happy with the move.

[acehole]

I dont know about Guru but he does come from a good NFL tree and is pretty savy with the west coast offense.
He demenor is perfect for bills current state as he shows up at the stadium at 430Am.


Gruden a QB Guru? Really? Where?

He did well with Gannon who was a veteran QB... Okay fine. He got alot of mileage out of him but after that...

Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Bruce Gradkowski and two meh seasons with Jeff Garcia.

[Mike]

You have a very small book.

I Do.

If history is any indicator chances are that Baltimore, Minnesota, Houston, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Dallas, won't win a SB with their current QBs unless they play at a top 3 QB level.

As a result, I would have rather been(be) Seahawks, Colts, or Redskins at beggining of the year than any of the above teams. I bet that Luck, RG3, or Wilson win a SB before Baltimore or Houston do! They are very good teams, but they lack that great QB that RG3, Luck, & Wilson are evolving into.

So what would you rather have been in 2012?

The dominant Texans that are all so close but never win the big one or the 2-14 Colts who end up winning a SB 5 years later??? pass on smith

[Mike]

As a result I would rather be that 2-14 for 3-5 consecutive years and get that HOF QB than be that dominant Eagles team that went to 4 consecutive NFC Championship games but failed to win the big one.

In the end, the great games come done to QBs. Manning vs Brady, Rogers vs Big Ben, Brees vs Manning!The Best Win!

And when it's Manning vs Rex Grossman or Brady vs Delhomme, the game won before its even played!

So when the game is on the line who do you want, Manning or Flacco, Brady or Ryan, Rogers or Schuab, Russell Wilson or Alex Smith?

[acehole]

Dude have a piont.

Ok we need elite qb.

Which qb at 8 then?

Let it go man ...you are making yourself look worse with every post.


You would rather you would rather..... Where has the nfl been without mike all this time..


I Do.

If history is any indicator chances are that Baltimore, Minnesota, Houston, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Dallas, won't win a SB with their current QBs unless they play at a top 3 QB level.

As a result, I would have rather been(be) Seahawks, Colts, or Redskins at beggining of the year than any of the above teams. I bet that Luck, RG3, or Wilson win a SB before Baltimore or Houston do! They are very good teams, but they lack that great QB that RG3, Luck, & Wilson are evolving into.

So what would you rather have been in 2012?

The dominant Texans that are all so close but never win the big one or the 2-14 Colts who end up winning a SB 5 years later??? pass on smith

[acehole]

Ha tell that to darius and byrd that you want them to go 2-14 while the best years of thier career are squandred because mike from billszone think we shold start and develop a qb he still cant name but is better then alex smith because he thinks so.... i am sure they would love your imput.:lmao:

[acehole]

umm i would rather have brady.... mike...wow you really opened my eyes with your football smarts.

One problem mike last i checked brady on another team.




As a result I would rather be that 2-14 for 3-5 consecutive years and get that HOF QB than be that dominant Eagles team that went to 4 consecutive NFC Championship games but failed to win the big one.

In the end, the great games come done to QBs. Manning vs Brady, Rogers vs Big Ben, Brees vs Manning!The Best Win!

And when it's Manning vs Rex Grossman or Brady vs Delhomme, the game won before its even played!

So when the game is on the line who do you want, Manning or Flacco, Brady or Ryan, Rogers or Schuab, Russell Wilson or Alex Smith?

[Mike]

Ha tell that to darius and byrd that you want them to go 2-14 while the best years of thier career are squandred because mike from billszone think we shold start and develop a qb he still cant name but is better then alex smith because he thinks so.... i am sure they would love your imput.:lmao:

you would rather have a G & FS than HOF QB?

[Mike]

umm i would rather have brady.... mike...wow you really opened my eyes with your football smarts.

One problem mike last i checked brady on another team.

Dude you missing the point entirely.

Great QBs are a once in a generation and the most probable way to get them is in the top of the 1st round.

currently there is a passing of the guard in the NFL as Brady, Manning, & Brees are in their mid 30's which means retirement is around the corner.

if you want to be a SB contender in the next 10-15 years you better get one of the future HOF QBs if you don't the next 15 years will be same as last 13 or at best you will be that Eagles team that never won it!

Here is a distribution of SB winning QB & draft position. In the last 20+ years there have only been 4 SB winning HOF QBs that were selected outside the first round and 2 of them were 2nd rounder meaning that only Warner & Brady are outliers!


The question is do you want to suck or at best be that Eagles team for the next 15 years or do you prefer to have a couple bad seasons followed by drafting a great QB prospect who could make you a dynasty?

http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/02/03/analyzing-super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks/

[acehole]

Staw man just like your other arguments.

Who is your payton manning at 8.

You dont have one game set match.

You make the big mistake of assuming that 2 and 14 seasons some how give you hall of fame qbs.

There are no real elite qbs at 8.

Manning and brady are signed.

Flacco with resign as will vick.

Sooo


Whats mikes grand plan we are all waiting.







you would rather have a G & FS than HOF QB?

[acehole]

Naa

I think you are.

You are arguing in your own world.

This post is about alex smith and the merits of him on our roster.

You dont like based on cherry picked sstats fine.

I like him based on improvement the last two years.....his stlye of play and character.

He is also available....sort of.

You dont like him because he got benched and that has to mean he is no good.

You still after dancing for ten posts and tell us who you wold draft.

For every manning there is a leaf.


Your plan of crapping out on purpose doesnt work for the rest of the roster usually.

You go out and get the best available player in every position that you have the deficit with.

End of story.

Alex smith is best available imho.

You talk platitudes and have no player in mind.(that is realistic).

You are in cya mode.

You argue in cirles and change topic and present straw men.

I should have ended your education when you left out alex smith 2012 season when he lead the nfl....just to make yourself right.

I bet you still wont tell us what elite hof qb you would draft at 8.

(Quote)
you missing the point entirely.

Great QBs are a once in a generation and the most probable way to get them is in the top of the 1st round.

currently there is a passing of the guard in the NFL as Brady, Manning, & Brees are in their mid 30's which means retirement is around the corner.

if you want to be a SB contender in the next 10-15 years you better get one of the future HOF QBs if you don't the next 15 years will be same as last 13 or at best you will be that Eagles team that never won it!

Here is a distribution of SB winning QB & draft position. In the last 20+ years there have only been 4 SB winning HOF QBs that were selected outside the first round and 2 of them were 2nd rounder meaning that only Warner & Brady are outliers!


The question is do you want to suck or at best be that Eagles team for the next 15 years or do you prefer to have a couple bad seasons followed by drafting a great QB prospect who could make you a dynasty?

http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/02/03/analyzing-super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks/[/QUOTE]

[acehole]

False

[QUOTE=Mike;3736823]Dude you missing the point entirely.

Great QBs are a once in a generation and the most probable way to get them is in the top of the 1st round.

[Mike]

Staw man just like your other arguments.

Who is your payton manning at 8.

You dont have one game set match.

You make the big mistake of assuming that 2 and 14 seasons some how give you hall of fame qbs.

There are no real elite qbs at 8.

Manning and brady are signed.

Flacco with resign as will vick.

Sooo


Whats mikes grand plan we are all waiting.

Really? In 2012 I was extreemly vocal for going 2-14 & getting Luck or RG3, but guys like you prefered winning an extra 4-5 games.

2013,,, QB sucks! Look at last few QB drafts: they were great so there will be a 1-2 year lull.

Johnny Football as a redshirt sophmore can declare in 2014 draft. I would prefer the Bills get a quality player @ 8 & draft a QB in the 3-5th round; release Fitz & play the youngest rookie QB to see what he has. As a result it will be a poor record with new HC & QB. Pick Jonny football in next years draft.

Option Speed QB are becoming new trend in NFL with Kapernick, Wilson, RG3, etc...


PS: your acting like the Bills are 12-4 team & a QB away from winning it all. They are a 6-10, with 13 straigh playoffless seasons. They suck next year too no matter what and the year after that.

[Mike]

False

[QUOTE=Mike;3736823]Dude you missing the point entirely.

Great QBs are a once in a generation and the most probable way to get them is in the top of the 1st round.

Prove me wrong!

Name of SB HOF QBs by round & pick... It's a historic fact 16/29 were 1st rounders which qualifies as most!
Half of those 16 QBs were 1st Overall Picks & only 2 of the 16 were picked after the 11th pick in the draft!

You don't know your history!

[acehole]

Guys like me?

You dont know what you are talking about.



So what .... does mikes practice sound like?

"OK guys we are impliment "Mike from billszone " plan this year...guy go out and eat twinkes and come to practice if you want doent mater the guy we just signed for big bucks in the offseason we will give him vote of no confidence and tank the season. We find losing is the best way to attract the best FA's and coaches if we have a culture of tanking....so that we can give the whole franchies to a guy we dont know will be alive or injured in a year...so please waste the best and only years of your career with the mike plan because he has such great football smarts and quotes bill parcells"


:clown:

The Bills roster is better then thier record.
It is further allong then it has been in years.

Yea a good qb a wr ...perhaps and a f ing clue at coaching and we are right there.

You spent 2 days talking about how important the qb position is and now it is not what we need?

Got it.

Hmm...I think I won this debate.


Really? In 2012 I was extreemly vocal for going 2-14 & getting Luck or RG3, but guys like you prefered winning an extra 4-5 games.

2013,,, QB sucks! Look at last few QB drafts: they were great so there will be a 1-2 year lull.

Johnny Football as a redshirt sophmore can declare in 2014 draft. I would prefer the Bills get a quality player @ 8 & draft a QB in the 3-5th round; release Fitz & play the youngest rookie QB to see what he has. As a result it will be a poor record with new HC & QB. Pick Jonny football in next years draft.

Option Speed QB are becoming new trend in NFL with Kapernick, Wilson, RG3, etc...


PS: your acting like the Bills are 12-4 team & a QB away from winning it all. They are a 6-10, with 13 straigh playoffless seasons. They suck next year too no matter what and the year after that.

[acehole]

Tom Brady. Drew Breeze of late.

Montanna maybe?


But you are changing the subject yet again.





[QUOTE=acehole;3736836]False



Prove me wrong!

Name of SB HOF QBs by round & pick... It's a historic fact 16/29 were 1st rounders which qualifies as most!
Half of those 16 QBs were 1st Overall Picks & only 2 of the 16 were picked after the 11th pick in the draft!

You don't know your history!

[acehole]

What r u like 12 or somthing...

Last chance......

"I bet you still wont tell us what elite hof qb you would draft at 8."

[Mike]

A great FO has to evaluate talent for the next 3-5 drafts. They will even know about great high school prospects!

Just to give you an idea of what it means to win an extra games and have a short sighted FO:

In 2004 Draft Bills picked 13 while Steelers had 11th pick. Both teams had same record except the Steelers were able to draft Big Ben due to tie braker. The Bills needing a QB get Losman via trading up which costs them the opportunity to draft Rogers a year later. If the FO was better Lossman trade would not have happened and Rogers would be a Bill or had the Bills lost a meaningless game week 14 after being eliminated from playoffs Big Ben would be a Bill.

[acehole]

Your kinda dumb huh?

The piont is we have good players at a lot of "Other" positions.

You dont just shmooozee those guys to Buffalo to turd on thier careers.

Takes a lot more then QB to win...but I guess....ummm you don't know your history?



you would rather have a G & FS than HOF QB?

[Mike]

[QUOTE=acehole;3736846]Tom Brady. Drew Breeze of late.

Montanna maybe?


But you are changing the subject yet again.


I am not changing the subject... Your lost so ill remind you.

What I am arguing is that the Bills have a better chance at winning a SB in the next decade by drafting a Top QB in the top of the first round in the next 1-5years than by signing Smith.

Im also proving historical evidence that that is the best and most probable way of winning a SB in next decade.

We agree that Smith would be an improvement over Fitz, however to me it's not a massive improvement and I think it's best that the Bills try to build via QB via the draft than any other way...

[acehole]

Topic of this post last time I checked was "Alex Smith"

NOT.

1. Talk about other things to make me sound smart.

2. Time machine Gm's

3. Pick and choose stats to make my point.

4. Avoid simple questions.

5.Talk about other things and hope nobody sees how stupid I am.

6.I dont have a clue but sure like to argue



7. I am really Sabs.


A great FO has to evaluate talent for the next 3-5 drafts. They will even know about great high school prospects!

Just to give you an idea of what it means to win an extra games and have a short sighted FO:

In 2004 Draft Bills picked 13 while Steelers had 11th pick. Both teams had same record except the Steelers were able to draft Big Ben due to tie braker. The Bills needing a QB get Losman via trading up which costs them the opportunity to draft Rogers a year later. If the FO was better Lossman trade would not have happened and Rogers would be a Bill or had the Bills lost a meaningless game week 14 after being eliminated from playoffs Big Ben would be a Bill.

[Mike]

Your kinda dumb huh?

The piont is we have good players at a lot of "Other" positions.

You dont just shmooozee those guys to Buffalo to turd on thier careers.

Takes a lot more then QB to win...but I guess....ummm you don't know your history?


Bill= Zero pro bowlers! Heck even KC had 5!


You are way over rating the Bills. They are a 6-10 team with a defense that gave up nearly 200pts in 4 games. You like everyone else wants to blame the coach, however you should remember that great QBs are the real difference... Chan with Brady & Co and he's in the playoffs.

Look at Denver 8-8 to 12-4 and a real threat to win SB all because of Manning.

AS for other players.... They are Loosing Anyway... the Bills are not a 12-4 Team... I'm Not suggesting that they blow up the Team.... If they Sign with Buffalo they will lose next year Anyway & the year after. And they are Getting Paid Millions! Mario did not throw his career away for taking 100M to come to Buffalo...he did it knowing full well that Houston had a 1000x better chance of winning SB and he came Anyway!!!


BTW: your ad Hominem attacks demonstrate you inability to comprehend and assimilate information and I'm beginning to question you cognitive abilities or lack there off. If you don't have any Evidence to the contrary don't bother responding...& go read a book on critical & strategic thinking.

[acehole]

Your hypothetical below is not a reality or a choice.

Straw man.



I am rebuting your claim about qb's and the first round picks and superbowls.

I guess those stats (Or players) didnt make your case so just throw them out again?

Got it.


[QUOTE=acehole;3736846]Tom Brady. Drew Breeze of late.

Montanna maybe?


But you are changing the subject yet again.


I am not changing the subject... Your lost so ill remind you.

What I am arguing is that the Bills have a better chance at winning a SB in the next decade by drafting a Top QB in the top of the first round in the next 1-5years than by signing Smith.

Im also proving historical evidence that that is the best and most probable way of winning a SB in next decade.

We agree that Smith would be an improvement over Fitz, however to me it's not a massive improvement and I think it's best that the Bills try to build via QB via the draft than any other way...

[Mike]

[QUOTE=acehole;3736865]Your hypothetical below is not a reality or a choice.

Straw man.
-you don't even know what a straw man means

I am rebuting your claim about qb's and the first round picks and superbowls.
Here is a link that Proves You Wrong: You can thank me later:)
http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/02/03/analyzing-super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks/

I guess those stats (Or players) didnt make your case so just throw them out again?
Try adding... It's simple math Brady, Montana, Brees are 3 players you mentioned out of how many... 29!

Got it.

[acehole]

Or whatever...dont think they or anybody will be implimenting the mike plan anytime soon.


In buffalo or anywhere....ever.


you
[QUOTE=acehole;3736865]Your hypothetical below is not a reality or a choice.

Straw man.
-you don't even know what a straw man means



I am rebuting your claim about qb's and the first round picks and superbowls.
Yes you did in an earlier post.

I guess those stats (Or players) didnt make your case so just throw them out again?
Try adding... It's simple math Brady, Montana, Brees are 3 players out of how many... 29!

Got it.

[justasportsfan]

Agree with the thoughts above... its going to come down to QB to take him to the next level as a coach.

If Lovie is our coach, Alex Smith may be our qb since Lovie doesn't care for a mobile qb. I'm fine with that as long as Hue Jackson is our OC, we don't give up a 1st for Smith and he's just a stop gap. We'll run first anyways