So the revolution at one bills drive included....

[trapezeus]

firing one coach, promoting a 13 year loser, and selecting a new coach with a worse record than the outgoing coach.

viva la resistance!

4-12 with comments of "but we are improving"

sorry, i just was hoping for an actual change that might work. but marrone is our guy now, so i have to get on board.

[Night Train]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

firing one coach, promoting a 13 year loser, and selecting a new coach with a worse record than the outgoing coach.

viva la resistance!

4-12 with comments of "but we are improving"

sorry, i just was hoping for an actual change that might work. but marrone is our guy now, so i have to get on board.

He already failed ?

I didn't see that "tweet " .

[THATHURMANATOR]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

How does he have a worse record than the outgoing coach?

I am not a huge Marrone guy but it doesn't make sense.

[ServoBillieves]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

He already failed ?

I didn't see that "tweet " .

Oh you didn't hear? He went 25-25 at Syracuse and was only an OC in the NFL, not a proven commodity. He's gone 7-41 in his tenure as the Bills coach already! What a failure and bad pick up!

[trapezeus]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

you all honestly think promoting the one guuy who has essentially been calling the shots for the last 5 years and firing one guy is the big difference maker?

they need to give this guy a lot more help or you will see him
1. want to implement his entire idea (which takes time, and you all need to be patient)
2. stick by one or two hires who simply don't have what it takes and he can't throw them under the bus because more qualified candidates don't want to work under an unproven guy.
3. some old guard players really hate this guy because he essentially sounds like a Gregg Williams type disciplinarian. So now we have to replace positions that aren't needs because they can't perform.

What about this hire sounds different from the last 4? Other than hope and faith, there is very little reason to think this will turn out any different.

[CoolBreeze]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

you all honestly think promoting the one guuy who has essentially been calling the shots for the last 5 years and firing one guy is the big difference maker?

they need to give this guy a lot more help or you will see him
1. want to implement his entire idea (which takes time, and you all need to be patient)
2. stick by one or two hires who simply don't have what it takes and he can't throw them under the bus because more qualified candidates don't want to work under an unproven guy.
3. some old guard players really hate this guy because he essentially sounds like a Gregg Williams type disciplinarian. So now we have to replace positions that aren't needs because they can't perform.

What about this hire sounds different from the last 4? Other than hope and faith, there is very little reason to think this will turn out any different.

This team needs a disciplinarian. Have you seen them tackle? This team needs to be turned over a bit, and players need to be held accountable. I know there's a lot of people who wanted Lovie Smith. Lovie may be a "players coach" , but so wasn't Dick Jauron. The fact is, "players coaches" get taken advantage of. The Head Coach should be the Boss 1st, Friend 2nd. Not the other way around. I really don't believe this hire is anything like the last several. Gailey came out of nowhere, Jauron, was the old retread coach who's been in the NFL forever, Mularkey and Williams were the "hot coordinators". I don't think this hire was the good ol' boy thing either. Brandon has to know this wasn't the popular choice. I think this is going to be the more of the norm in the NFL. Teams and people are tired of the hiring and firing of the same people all the time. The argument of Marrone going 25-25 at SU isn't really valid. Believe me, I hate Syracuse athletics, and wish they would go winless every year. But what Marrone did there is quite miraculous. They were 10-37 the previous 4 years, and no high school recruit with any prominence wanted to go there. Many still didn't after Marrone got the job. However he changed the culture and attitude there. One could argue it's far harder to win and maintain winning in college football. We'll see what happens.

[trapezeus]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

i'm going to pull for Marrone. i want him to get the job done.

the thing is, if he can't get the job done, guess which guy who has done nothing but fail in buffalo will remain at the top making choices? Russ Brandon gets too much credit for selling buffalo football games. and when he gets his hands dirty with football he doesn't know what he's doing.

look at this board. everyone is saying Te'o in the first round. i can guarantee you if he is there, the bills will not select him. they'll take someone else.

[Night Train]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

Oh you didn't hear? He went 25-25 at Syracuse and was only an OC in the NFL, not a proven commodity. He's gone 7-41 in his tenure as the Bills coach already! What a failure and bad pick up!

" They should have picked.."

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[TedMock]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

you all honestly think promoting the one guuy who has essentially been calling the shots for the last 5 years and firing one guy is the big difference maker?

they need to give this guy a lot more help or you will see him
1. want to implement his entire idea (which takes time, and you all need to be patient)
2. stick by one or two hires who simply don't have what it takes and he can't throw them under the bus because more qualified candidates don't want to work under an unproven guy.
3. some old guard players really hate this guy because he essentially sounds like a Gregg Williams type disciplinarian. So now we have to replace positions that aren't needs because they can't perform.

What about this hire sounds different from the last 4? Other than hope and faith, there is very little reason to think this will turn out any different.

That would be the case with any person they hired. I don' know if Marrone will succeed or not. I do know I like his background enough. The last four were all different. It's not the approach, necessarily, that has failed us. It's been either the hire, or the GM. Gregg Williams is a fine (albeit slightly psychotic) defensive coach. Success everywhere...except Buffalo. Williams was hired at a time when the hot D-coordinators were the thing to hire. John Fox, Marvin Lewis got their jobs around that time, I believe. Mike Mularky was a hot-shout young offensive coordinator. I never thought Mularky had the head coaching potential that Williams did, but Mularky coached good offenses before and after Buffalo. He still struggles as a head coach. Dick Jauron was the stereotypical re-tread hire. He's been up and down as HC and DC and he's part of the fraternity. Chan was also retread, but on the offensive side. Chan is part of the fraternity, but seems a bit less engrained. His hire was that of a creative offensive mind who brings some good old southern football mentality. None of the above worked, obviously, but I never felt like it was the same hire. Chan and Dick were certainly more similar in that regard, but they were nothing like Gregg and Mularky.

Other retreads have been hired and won. Other hot coordinators have been hired and won. Disciplinarians work. Players coaches work. We just have grossly missed on the person...every time!

Marrone may or may not work, but I do like that he's a stickler to detail, but also very flexible. I like that he's coached under Herm Edwards and Sean Payton - two different personalities. I like that he changed the culture at a struggling college program. This hire to me just feels very different. I'm not saying it's going to be insanely successful. I don't know that, but I wouldn't know that with any hire. Chip Kelly is an even bigger unknown. Lovie, Gruden, Whisenhunt would have all felt like similar hires as the last two in the sense that they all got fired from their last gig. Gruden won it all, but only one coach has won it all in two different places and that was decades agon. I liked the idea of Horton and McCoy, but what makes them all that different from Mularky and Williams? At least Marrone is slightly unique. I don't think it's any bigger a risk than anybod else.

[Bill Cody]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

firing one coach, promoting a 13 year loser, and selecting a new coach with a worse record than the outgoing coach.

viva la resistance!

4-12 with comments of "but we are improving"

sorry, i just was hoping for an actual change that might work. but marrone is our guy now, so i have to get on board.

This is "getting on board"? What is not on board like?

[JoeMama]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

Yeah talk about a bait and switch.

All these wholesale changes we demanded...

Russ Brandon -- king huckster -- is now in charge like 2006.

Buddy Nix is still here to ruin our 2nd and 3rd round picks.

A .500 coach in the NCAA is here to turn things around I guess???

I ****ing hate this team.

[justasportsfan]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

He already failed ?

I didn't see that "tweet " .

Eh! If the bills hired someone else, there'd be other threads from other posters whining about the hire. I was okay at first about Marrone but the more I hear about the hire the more I am cautiously optimistic.

[trapezeus]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

i just wanted to vent...get it out and then get on board.

honestly, if the bills hired wisenhunt, i would have skipped on season tickets this year.

this guy has some positives, a couple negatives. i think as a fan, it's something to try and get excited about. but if you were an outsider and heard that the bills wanted to change the culture, and literally promoted the same dumbasses who got us to this point, and then changed one coach and let that newbie hire as he pleases, you'd say, "is that really change?"

part of me thinks nix was right. it would have been better to stick with gailey and give him a chance with a QB than to make this wholesale change for mediocre change.

but it is what it is. let's see what happens in the draft.

[justasportsfan]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

part of me thinks nix was right. it would have been better to stick with gailey and give him a chance with a QB than to make this wholesale change for mediocre change.

Actually is was NIx who fired Chan. Not Russ.

Chan would have kept Wanny. As I watched the seahawks and skins game last night, I was thinking how Wanny would've have insisted on rushing 4 players all day which would have kept RG3 fresh all night while picking our D apart. Our DL is too talented to set to fail.

[trapezeus]

Re: So the revolution at one bills drive included....

there was a fourth and something play at the end, where the seahawks blitzed which i thought was gutsy and dominating.

if marrone shows confidence in his group of guys to go make plays, next year could be different. but for whatever reason, coaches in buffalo enjoy playing not to lose for the last 13 years and have lost consistently.