Tyler Wilson hand size...

[BidsJr]

Measured in today at the senior bowl at 8.5 inches. That is not good. Especially for Orchard Park.

[ServoBillieves]

Jimmy Clausen.

[YardRat]

Russell Wilson was 10-1/4" last year, if anybody was wondering.

[YardRat]

Nassib is 10, according to this site... http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2013/1/21/3900280/2013-senior-bowl-nfl-draft-arizona-cardinals

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?

[DraftBoy]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?

Not much BS about it, its a rather well documented measurement.

If there wasn't legitimate reason to be concerned with the measurement then the NFL wouldn't waste time measuring it. They don't measure feet after all.

[BidsJr]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?

Yes.

[Novacane]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?


Yes

[YardRat]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?

It's legit.

[kishoph]

If there is anything to do with hands that I would be concerned about, it would be the strength of his grip, a football is not that big, to get your hand around, it's not like he's trying to palm a basketball.

[YardRat]

From another Cardinals site... http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?p=970273

EJ Manuel, Florida State: 6'4 3/8" 237, 10 1/8" hands

Landry Jones, Oklahoma: 6'3 5/8" 221, 9" hands

Mike Glennon, North Carolina State: 6'6 3/4" 220, 9 3/8" hands

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse: 6'2" 223, 10" hands

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: 6'2 1/8" 218, 8 5/8" hands

Zac Dysert, Miami Ohio: 6'2 7/8" 224, 9" hands



Geno Smith is the only Top QB who did not go.

[Night Train]

Obviously has never mastrubated.

[DraftBoy]

If there is anything to do with hands that I would be concerned about, it would be the strength of his grip, a football is not that big, to get your hand around, it's not like he's trying to palm a basketball.

A football isn't as small as you'd think, its 22 inches in circumference.

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From another Cardinals site... http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?p=970273

EJ Manuel, Florida State: 6'4 3/8" 237, 10 1/8" hands

Landry Jones, Oklahoma: 6'3 5/8" 221, 9" hands

Mike Glennon, North Carolina State: 6'6 3/4" 220, 9 3/8" hands

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse: 6'2" 223, 10" hands

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: 6'2 1/8" 218, 8 5/8" hands

Zac Dysert, Miami Ohio: 6'2 7/8" 224, 9" hands



Geno Smith is the only Top QB who did not go.


This includes arm length and wingspan;
http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2013/01/senior-bowl-preview-its-all-about-the-qbs/

[The last buffalo fan]

My wife says that size doesn't matter, it is the heart that matters.

[Yasgur's Farm]

My hands are 9 1/4"... I could never dream of palming a basketball. It's extremely important in spite of grip strength.

I'm starting to get confortable with Nassib at 8... That is if he's still on the board.

[better days]

From another Cardinals site... http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?p=970273

EJ Manuel, Florida State: 6'4 3/8" 237, 10 1/8" hands

Landry Jones, Oklahoma: 6'3 5/8" 221, 9" hands

Mike Glennon, North Carolina State: 6'6 3/4" 220, 9 3/8" hands

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse: 6'2" 223, 10" hands

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: 6'2 1/8" 218, 8 5/8" hands

Zac Dysert, Miami Ohio: 6'2 7/8" 224, 9" hands



Geno Smith is the only Top QB who did not go.

I'm surprised at how small these guys hands are. I just measured my own hand for the hell of it. 9 1/4" and I'm not 6' tall.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

My hands are 9.25 and I can grip a football just fine... And throw it in a tight spiral 30 yards... And I'm 50

[Bert102176]

From another Cardinals site... http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?p=970273

EJ Manuel, Florida State: 6'4 3/8" 237, 10 1/8" hands

Landry Jones, Oklahoma: 6'3 5/8" 221, 9" hands

Mike Glennon, North Carolina State: 6'6 3/4" 220, 9 3/8" hands

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse: 6'2" 223, 10" hands

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: 6'2 1/8" 218, 8 5/8" hands

Zac Dysert, Miami Ohio: 6'2 7/8" 224, 9" hands



Geno Smith is the only Top QB who did not go.



The bigger the hand the better the grip equals less fumbles and a better spiral, and more accuracy

[DraftBoy]

I'm surprised at how small these guys hands are. I just measured my own hand for the hell of it. 9 1/4" and I'm not 6' tall.

Are you measuring the same way they do in the NFL?

[better days]

Are you measuring the same way they do in the NFL?

I'm not sure, how do they measure in the NFL? I measured from my thumb to my pinkie.

[Bert102176]

And I believe a nfl football is larger then a college ball

[DraftBoy]

I'm not sure, how do they measure in the NFL? I measured from my thumb to my pinkie.

Hand pressed against the wall, all five fingers fully extended, ruler under the hand measured from pinkie to thumb. Palm has to touch the wall.

[cookie G]

D.J. Fluker has 36 1/2" arms and an 87" wingspan.

He's a 6'4" 355 lb condor.

[better days]

Hand pressed against the wall, all five fingers fully extended, ruler under the hand measured from pinkie to thumb. Palm has to touch the wall.

So pretty much the same, but I put the ruler & my hand on a table, should that make a difference?

[DraftBoy]

So pretty much the same, but I put the ruler & my hand on a table, should that make a difference?

Shouldn't but I only know to measure it one way.

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D.J. Fluker has 36 1/2" arms and an 87" wingspan.

He's a 6'4" 355 lb condor.

He's a beast. I'd consider him at 8.

[better days]

Shouldn't but I only know to measure it one way.

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He's a beast. I'd consider him at 8.

Yeah, I'm liking what I hear about Fluker, you think he will be there at 8?

[cookie G]

He's a beast. I'd consider him at 8.

I wouldn't complain too much about him, Joens or Warmack.

Not going to happen though.

[kishoph]

A football isn't as small as you'd think, its 22 inches in circumference.


In the middle of the ball, when a QB is gripping the ball to throw it, the majority of his hand is on the smaller part of the ball. I'm sure it could make some kind of difference, but nothing that I would be that concerned about. It's obvious that Tyler Wilson can throw a football, despite his "small hands."

[better days]

In the middle of the ball, when a QB is gripping the ball to throw it, the majority of his hand is on the smaller part of the ball. I'm sure it could make some kind of difference, but nothing that I would be that concerned about. It's obvious that Tyler Wilson can throw a football, despite his "small hands."

Well, it was reported footballs were deflated because of Barkleys small hands so he could get a better grip on it.

[DraftBoy]

In the middle of the ball, when a QB is gripping the ball to throw it, the majority of his hand is on the smaller part of the ball. I'm sure it could make some kind of difference, but nothing that I would be that concerned about. It's obvious that Tyler Wilson can throw a football, despite his "small hands."

Actually that depends almost entirely on the grip. Every QB grips the ball differently.

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I wouldn't complain too much about him, Joens or Warmack.

Not going to happen though.

Meh, I'd pass on Jones for now. Lack of anchor v 34 DT's is a bit concerning.

[Oaf]

Ok, to determine if it actually matters, what are the top 8 QBs in NFL's hand size?

[DraftBoy]

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Ok, to determine if it actually matters, what are the top 8 QBs in NFL's hand size?

That doesn't determine anything. What thing that the NFL does do you know for a fact doesn't matter?

If it didn't matter the NFL sure as hell would not waste time doing it. Guaranteed.

For ****s and giggles though Flacco was 9 5/8, while Kaep was 9 1/8.

[HAMMER]

You know what they say.....

[Oaf]

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That doesn't determine anything. What thing that the NFL does do you know for a fact doesn't matter?

If it didn't matter the NFL sure as hell would not waste time doing it. Guaranteed.

For ****s and giggles though Flacco was 9 5/8, while Kaep was 9 1/8.

Your second sentence makes no sense to me.

Sure it matters, but is it a dealbreaker like several of the posters here claim?

If many successful QBs have hands not much larger than Tyler Wilson's, I'm ok with it.

[imbondz]

I've never heard of hand size being an issue before. i'd' want to know what the greatest QBs hand sizes are before I would think if it matters or not. Common sense would say it does matter tho.

[DraftBoy]

Your second sentence makes no sense to me.

Sure it matters, but is it a dealbreaker like several of the posters here claim?

If many successful QBs have hands not much larger than Tyler Wilson's, I'm ok with it.

If the hand size was not important then I have no doubt the NFL would no longer continue to measure it.

Our two Super Bowl QB's both had bigger hands.

Matt Ryan 9 1/2
Russell Wilson 10 1/4
RGIII 9 1/2
Andrew Luck 10
Cam Newton 9 7/8
Drew Brees 10

[ublinkwescore]

Can we just sign Chase Daniel and forget about drafting a qb? Then go best lb or wide reciever @ 8? Then take nassib in rd 2 if he is still available and let them battle it out...

[TigerJ]

It's kind of hard to imagine a 6'2" QB with smaller hands than mine (just about 9 inches). I'm barely 5'10". I wouldn't be surprised if that hand measurement just dropped Wilson a round or two in the draft.

[TigerJ]

I've never heard of hand size being an issue before. i'd' want to know what the greatest QBs hand sizes are before I would think if it matters or not. Common sense would say it does matter tho.

I know the issue was raised (and talked about a lot) with Jimmy Claussen a couple years ago. I didn't pay much attention before that.

[The Jokeman]

My wife says that size doesn't matter, it is the heart that matters.

Is your wife a NFL scout? If not tell her to leave it to the professionals.

[Mouldsie]

Guys with smaller hands tend to get less velocity on the ball and have a harder time throwing deep on a rope, but thats not a rule and Wilson throws a good ball. Where it matters with him will be in ball security. Shaun King was known for having small hands and fumbleitis as a result

[Mouldsie]

Mark Sanchez 10 1/2
Drew Brees 10 1/4
Russell Wilson 10 1/4
Tim Tebow 10 1/8
Andrew Luck 10
Matt Stafford 10
Josh Freeman 10
Cam Newton 9 7/8
Brandon Weeden 9 5/8
Robert Griffin III 9 1/2
Matt Ryan 9 1/2
Alex Smith 9 3/8
Ryan Tannehill 9
Mike Vick 8 1/2

[Mr. Miyagi]

Measured in today at the senior bowl at 8.5 inches.
You know what they say about small hands.

[The last buffalo fan]

Mark Sanchez 10 1/2
Drew Brees 10 1/4
Russell Wilson 10 1/4
Tim Tebow 10 1/8
Andrew Luck 10
Matt Stafford 10
Josh Freeman 10
Cam Newton 9 7/8
Brandon Weeden 9 5/8
Robert Griffin III 9 1/2
Matt Ryan 9 1/2
Alex Smith 9 3/8
Ryan Tannehill 9
Mike Vick 8 1/2

Makes sense with Vick fumbles, but this guy can throws a very good ball too.

[The last buffalo fan]

Whats Brees backup hand size, also would be interesting to know Fitz hand size too.

[ublinkwescore]

hand size is over rated... though god gave me big hands - but that was to accommodate my well endowed package when I need some "personal" time.

[Mski]

Makes sense with Vick fumbles, but this guy can throws a very good ball too.

i dont think there is as much of a direct correlation between hand size and how well you can throw the ball, but there certainly can be a case made for hand size v ball security

[Cali512]

This was my biggest issue playing QB. My hands are 9. Which is good, and in dry weather i could grip the ball, but when it was wet it was nearly impossible. Also it was tough when the football was extremely inflated. If you have a wind up release and small hands its incredibly difficult to maintain control of the ball threw the whole motion. In football you need your pointer at the top of the ball, with small hands its really hard to do this and still keep the rest of your hand fully on the rest of the ball, but in a motion if the ball moves just slighltly in ur hand during the release, your ****ed, its going all over the place. One thing that all great QBs have in common was that they had full control of the football. Jim Kelly hold the ball like its a baseball, and thats the control you want. You want it to look easy throwing the ball, and you want the QB to have the ability to move and do what he wants without worying bout losing the ball. I mean think of it this way, when ur a kid you get a lil kids football. Why? Because there hands are to small for a reg football. High school footballs are smaller because most kids hands are round 8-9 inches then. If you think a football is small, then uve never used a official NFL football. They are hard to grip at times, but wistle threw the air beautifully. With my hands and with footballs i was comfortable with, i was able to throw 40 yd passes on a rope. I had a great arm, just never learned how to play the position.

[trapezeus]

i wouldn't use hand measurement as an independent magic test. but 8/5 seems unusually small comparatively. i think it's enough to raise flags for scouts and to really pay attention to the combine. if his passes look accurate there, then you might have to make a judgement call on if he can handle the weather if the footage shows that he isn't a fumbler.

however, if he isn't very accurate in the combine, this helps him free fall.

[justasportsfan]

You know what they say about small hands.

they should use a ukelele instead of a guitar

[The last buffalo fan]

Mark Sanchez 10 1/2
Drew Brees 10 1/4
Russell Wilson 10 1/4
Tim Tebow 10 1/8
Andrew Luck 10
Matt Stafford 10
Josh Freeman 10
Cam Newton 9 7/8
Brandon Weeden 9 5/8
Robert Griffin III 9 1/2
Matt Ryan 9 1/2
Alex Smith 9 3/8
Ryan Tannehill 9
Mike Vick 8 1/2
Daniel Chase 9 1/4

[cookie G]

Meh, I'd pass on Jones for now. Lack of anchor v 34 DT's is a bit concerning.

Yeah, I know what you mean, he gets bulled back once or twice a game. That's not the norm, from what I've seen, though. Very good getting to the 2nd level, can play more than one position, and turns and seals while engaged about as good as anyone. But no, not always the strongest at the POA.

There was a cool part of the Bama-Georgia game with him. 2nd Q I think. Jenkins walked him backwards on a pass play. The color guy said something like "Jones is really having trouble with Jenkins." (He really wasn't, it was just one play).

But on the next three plays, he got help from Warmack, and they buried him on three consecutive plays. After that, Bama ran for about 300 yards.

PS...the DE from UCLA, Danote Jones..what do you know about him? I DVR'd yesterday's practice, saw him once in the 1 on 1 drills...blew by the OT without being touched. He was so quick they were actually laughing about it. From the little I read, they said he had a good practice.

Any good?

[SABURZFAN]

Are we going to go through this bs again for the next 100 days?


go somewhere else if you don't want to see it....

[SABURZFAN]

My wife says that size doesn't matter, it is the heart that matters.


ok Tiny....

[SABURZFAN]

My hands are 9.25 and I can grip a football just fine... And throw it in a tight spiral 30 yards... And I'm 50



I hope the Bills can sign you as an UDFA.

[DraftBoy]

Yeah, I know what you mean, he gets bulled back once or twice a game. That's not the norm, from what I've seen, though. Very good getting to the 2nd level, can play more than one position, and turns and seals while engaged about as good as anyone. But no, not always the strongest at the POA.

There was a cool part of the Bama-Georgia game with him. 2nd Q I think. Jenkins walked him backwards on a pass play. The color guy said something like "Jones is really having trouble with Jenkins." (He really wasn't, it was just one play).

But on the next three plays, he got help from Warmack, and they buried him on three consecutive plays. After that, Bama ran for about 300 yards.

PS...the DE from UCLA, Danote Jones..what do you know about him? I DVR'd yesterday's practice, saw him once in the 1 on 1 drills...blew by the OT without being touched. He was so quick they were actually laughing about it. From the little I read, they said he had a good practice.

Any good?

Im far more concerned with his struggles v. Geathers and Nix (though part of that was by design v. Nix) than the singular play he struggled with v. Jenkins.

He's a 34 DE, whose been stuck as a 43 DE trying to rush up field and and utilize his speed rush. He's a much better power rusher who can use his initial quickness and burst to get into the blocker and then use his power to blow up the play. His hands are violent when he uses them. His speed rush from yesterday was a surprise considering his tape. Given his size its really surprising. He also looked great at weigh-ins.

[cookie G]

He's a 34 DE, whose been stuck as a 43 DE trying to rush up field and and utilize his speed rush. He's a much better power rusher who can use his initial quickness and burst to get into the blocker and then use his power to blow up the play. His hands are violent when he uses them. His speed rush from yesterday was a surprise considering his tape. Given his size its really surprising. He also looked great at weigh-ins.

OK, he did it again. I DVR'd a little and watched some after the KU-K State game. In the first minute I watched, there he is lined up against Eric Fisher, the apparent Senior Bowl sensation from Central Michigan.

Lined up outside, blew him away with an inside move. Came across his body and finished with a swim move. Fisher didn't lay a hand on him. Mayock made the comment "there goes his unbeaten streak" apparently the first time someone beat him. He did a bull rush on the only other play I saw. He didn't get around him, but took him back about 7-8 steps. Had there been a pocket, he would have collapsed it.

I've seen him 3 plays and he blew by 2 OT's on 2 of them. That's it. That's who we get at 8. :)

[justasportsfan]

JOhn Murphy reports from the senior bowl that at this point, he ranks Wilson no.1, Glennon then Nassib. He said Nix also likes Wilson and was suprised by his arm strength.

After all this Nassib talk, we're all going to be caught in limbo with all this guessing game with what Nix says.

[Cali512]

Watch the video on BB.com. Tyler Wilson is throwing the ball at the senior bowl. You can see just how much his hand size effects his passes. He has to almost craddle the ball to maintain control through the release, and EVERY single pass he through slipped in his hand while he through it. Theres a halfa wobble that looks ugly as hell on each of his passes. Thats cause from 1, holding the ball to tight, or 2, just not having the control of the ball. Both are the cause of his hands. There is no QB in the NFL that looks that terrible gripping the ball.

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Bills_Roundup_Buffalo_Goes_Deep_With_QB_Prospects/dc987bcb-4ba2-433f-942d-59839da3fd2a


STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

This is an exact copy of how i looked when id throw the ball. He has absolutly no control of any of his passes. No zip or anything, each pass is already slipping from his hand before its even released.

[kishoph]

Watch the video on BB.com. Tyler Wilson is throwing the ball at the senior bowl. You can see just how much his hand size effects his passes. He has to almost craddle the ball to maintain control through the release, and EVERY single pass he through slipped in his hand while he through it. Theres a halfa wobble that looks ugly as hell on each of his passes. Thats cause from 1, holding the ball to tight, or 2, just not having the control of the ball. Both are the cause of his hands. There is no QB in the NFL that looks that terrible gripping the ball.

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Bills_Roundup_Buffalo_Goes_Deep_With_QB_Prospects/dc987bcb-4ba2-433f-942d-59839da3fd2a


STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

This is an exact copy of how i looked when id throw the ball. He has absolutly no control of any of his passes. No zip or anything, each pass is already slipping from his hand before its even released.



Here try these on.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/il_fullxfull98869789.jpg

[Mr. Miyagi]

I'm surprised at how small these guys hands are. I just measured my own hand for the hell of it. 9 1/4" and I'm not 6' tall.
That's what I'm thinking too. I can't understand it. My hands are just around 8.25", for those who have met me you know I'm not a big guy, and I'm nowhere near within 1/2" to gripping a football securely.

[Michael82]

I just found these....

QB Colin Kaepernick - 9 1/8
QB Jake Locker - 9 5/8
QB Cam Newton - 9 7/8
QB Andy Dalton - 9 1/2
QB Blaine Gabbert - 10
QB Christian Ponder 10 1/4
QB Ryan Mallett - 10 3/4

[Michael82]

Looking at those numbers....I dont think it matters too much how big your hands are, as long as you can still grip the ball and have an arm to throw it downfield....but maybe its just me.

[trapezeus]

like i said, i'm not a huge look at the hands as a tell tale sign, but his size, if accurate is way smaller. and after reading how you do the measurement, my hands are about the same size and i can't throw an NFL ball more than 15 yards. It's such an outlier that i think you really have to see the film on how he performed in games where weather wasn't ideal. that may be hard to find.

I'm torn. let's just get jamarcus russell...(jk)

[Cali512]

Even though there are some bad QBs with big hands, doesn't mean it doesn't matter. They can still fling it around, they just aren't that good with decisions or body control. Im surprised how many non football players don't know this ****. Its obvious how bad small hands can be, and Buddy Nix said that he has a weak arm from what I saw

[Cali512]

And kishoph. I really think you should try them on instead. U really cant be this much of a idiot

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Wasn't Kurt Warner knocked for having small hands? Maybe I'm misremembering.

Anyway, small hands aren't a total deal breaker but they do affect accuracy and ball security. Gonna be hard to overcome.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

hes sucking ass in the senior bowl...

[X-Era]

Steve Young can't have big hands either.

[Bangarang]

Not impressed with him. These Senior Bowl QBs look awful.

[better days]

Not impressed with him. These Senior Bowl QBs look awful.

Well, Nassib looked AWFUL. I don't remember one good play by him. Manual had a GOOD game. Glennon & Wilson had some splash plays.

[YardRat]

Anything under 9+ is a deal-breaker for me.