The rules shouldn't change

[BillsOwnAll]

All this talk about how they can't call that pi at he end of the game cause its the end of the game . Why donpeoplw think the rules should change at the end of the game? Pi is pi first quarter or last play. It shouldn't be everything goes just cause it's an important play. We want consistenty.


What's yor thoughts on callin the game different as the game goes on.?

[superbills]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

When you stop posting as this guy, then we'll have a conversation

[Joe Fo Sho]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

It wasn't bad enough to call, that's my stance. That late, for the refs to be able to change the outcome of the game, it better be a beating for them to call pass interference. Good no call, in my opinion.

[MikeInRoch]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

The rules should be the rules, from play one of the pre-season through the end of the Super Bowl. None of this "I'm changing the rules when it's important" BS.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

If the pass were a little better it might have been called. The ball landed a couple yards OOB

[Skooby]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

Sabres have a penalty called on them with ~2 minutes left in every other game.

[RedEyE]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

From my perspective Crabtree initiated first contact before the ball was thrown. Sorry for the crappy video the NFL highlight machine is down: (see :52 seconds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW7qWnMFgW0

Per the NFL rule book: The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.

IMO this is a good no call. Contact was initiated by the WR before the ball was thrown. DB retaliated with a push of his own once ball was in the air. Then the receiver pushes off to find separation from DB.

IMO, if a flag was called it would have been offensive for initiating contact in an attempt to push off and race to the corner post.

I could even see an argument to hand out offsetting penalties.

But there is no way in hell that Smith should have been penalized for this without Crabtree also receiving a penalty.

I like the no call.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

From my perspective Crabtree initiated first contact before the ball was thrown. Sorry for the crappy video the NFL highlight machine is down: (see :52 seconds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW7qWnMFgW0

Per the NFL rule book: The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.

IMO this is a good no call. Contact was initiated by the WR before the ball was thrown. DB retaliated with a push of his own once ball was in the air. Then the receiver pushes off to find separation from DB.

IMO, if a flag was called it would have been offensive for initiating contact in an attempt to push off and race to the corner post.

I could even see an argument to hand out offsetting penalties.

But there is no way in hell that Smith should have been penalized for this without Crabtree also receiving a penalty.

I like the no call.

You failed to take into account the fact that the ball was in the air, and the DB still had a firm grasp on the WR. Im glad they didnt call it but the DB definitely impeded him a bit after the ball was in the air.

[THRILLHO]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

If anything is to be changed it should be the most ridiculous penalty in the books; running into the kicker.

[RedEyE]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

With the WR initiating first contact (pushing off) prior to the ball being in the air he also is violating the pass interference rule. So I fail to see how then Smith is the bad guy in all of this? The DBs response was warranted. Again, I could see an argument for off setting penalties, but I don't buy it that the Ravens DB is solely at fault.

[Ingtar33]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

The contact was initiated by Crabtree under 5 yards from the line (which is allowed), that said, there was a clear hold with the defending pulling hard with both hands on the WR's jersey, more then 5 yards down field with the football in the air.

That's clear cut pass interference.

And I'll add this to it. Without that pass interference, Crabtree probably could make a solid play on that football, as he was about 18 inches away from it. Without that hold, he likely gets a hand on that football. So by every definition, and even spirit of the rule... that was pass interference. As to Crabtree pushing off... if it worked (as in he was actually able to get separation because of it) it would have been offensive pass interference. However, Smith had such a death grip on Crabtree at that moment, no advantage was gained.

[RedEyE]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

That 5 yard use of hands rule applies to the defender and not the receiver: http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/useofhands

Exception: An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent ONLY to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap clearly demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. Within this five-yard zone, a defensive player may chuck an eligible player in front of him. A defensive player is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone until a point when the receiver is even with the defender. The defensive player cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an eligible receiver in a manner that restricts movement as the play develops. Beyond this five-yard limitation, a defender may use his hands or arms ONLY to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. In such reaction, the defender may not contact a receiver who attempts to take a path to evade him.

Therefore referring back to the offensive pass interference prior to th ball being in the air:

Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched.
Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.


Still - The play was 4th and 5 from the 5. Crabtree initiated the contact just before the goal line, carrying them past the 5 yard mark, prior to the throw, AND the contact did not break until they were deep into the endzone. So even if the 5 yard cushion did apply to the receiver, Crabtree clearly broke that rule once over the goal line.

[Mouldsie]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

If anything is to be changed it should be the most ridiculous penalty in the books; running into the kicker.

THIS

[Ingtar33]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

(b)Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

no separation was created. the defender wrapped his arms around him, and got a death grip on his jersey. Then was dragged 2 yards before falling to the ground.

Since no separation was created by the contact, no offensive pass interference occurred. However, defensive pass interference most certainly happened.

[RedEyE]

Re: The rules shouldn't change

no separation was created. the defender wrapped his arms around him, and got a death grip on his jersey. Then was dragged 2 yards before falling to the ground.

Since no separation was created by the contact, no offensive pass interference occurred. However, defensive pass interference most certainly happened.

With the utmost respect, the defensive pass interference most likely would NOT have occurred had the WR not tried to shove himself free from the defender.

Like I said before, I can see an argument for offsetting penalties, but Smith was definitely interfered with as well.

Either way there was obviously enough contact between the two to not instigate a flag. This could have been something the officials had been seeing between the two all game long.