Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

[Skooby]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/01/report-ravens-flacco-strike-a-deal/#comment-2363954

[JoeMama]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

A rock solid organization locking down its core talent?

What a preposterous business model!

~ Ralph Wilson

[Night Train]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

A rock solid organization locking down its core talent?

What a preposterous business model!

~ Ralph Wilson

Giving their QB 1/6 of their entire payroll. 52 other guys need to get paid.

I'm sure they'll sign everyone in the next 2 years and not let anyone walk. Not 1 quality player will leave.

[JoeMama]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

Giving their QB 1/6 of their entire payroll. 52 other guys need to get paid.

I'm sure they'll sign everyone in the next 2 years and not let anyone walk. Not 1 quality player will leave.

"Core" talent.

Winning QBs are expensive.

We wouldn't know what that's like because we haven't had one since the 90s.

No need to get passive aggressive about it.

[Skooby]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

"Core" talent.

Winning QBs are expensive.

We wouldn't know what that's like because we haven't had one since the 90s.

No need to get passive aggressive about it.

Last year's MVP Superbowl winning QB.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

6 years, $120 million.

Wow that's nuts.

[Night Train]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

Quick, name the Ravens starting Guards and their salary.

Core talent ? A Guard ?

QB, DL, LB, LT, Top 5 WR, Top TE like Gronk.

That's core talent GM's should pay. Levitre benefits from the inflated LT salary applied to the OL cap. I love the guy but to make him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player on this team is absured, with so many holes at QB, LB, CB, WR and more.

[YardRat]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

Quick, name the Ravens starting Guards and their salary.

Core talent ? A Guard ?

QB, DL, LB, LT, Top 5 WR, Top TE like Gronk.

That's core talent GM's should pay. Levitre benefits from the inflated LT salary applied to the OL cap. I love the guy but to make him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player on this team is absured, with so many holes at QB, LB, CB, WR and more.

Buffalo has three olinemen for 2013 that count against the cap for 2mil-plus...Wood, Urbik, and Pears. Ravens have two...Oher and Yanda.

[Skooby]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

6 years, $120 million.

Wow that's nuts.

I was going to write that they can't pay him $20 M on most major sites & then stopped, just because of this. Dedicating 20% to him on a team full of all stars means many will leave. Unlike baseball, there's no fixing this now.

It's officially begun, the beginning of astro salaries. It hurt the NBA, it's coming.

[Don't Panic]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

6 years, $120 million.

Wow that's nuts.

agreed. Talk about buying high... they could have franchised him at $15 million and made him prove he's worth $20 million a year. If he does, you pay him with confidence. If he doesn't, you make a del that reflects what he's actually worth, which is less than $20 million. Not Newsome's best move as GM.

[YardRat]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

I was going to write that they can't pay him $20 M on most major sites & then stopped, just because of this. Dedicating 20% to him on a team full of all stars means many will leave. Unlike baseball, there's no fixing this now.

It's officially begun, the beginning of astro salaries. It hurt the NBA, it's coming.

NFL has a much harder cap than the NBA. At least, they used to.

[JoeMama]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

Quick, name the Ravens starting Guards and their salary.

Core talent ? A Guard ?

QB, DL, LB, LT, Top 5 WR, Top TE like Gronk.

That's core talent GM's should pay. Levitre benefits from the inflated LT salary applied to the OL cap. I love the guy but to make him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player on this team is absured, with so many holes at QB, LB, CB, WR and more.

If I were a GM instead of a random fan, my strategy would be to approximate a dollar amount that I'd willing to spend for various units as a whole. It would work like a mini-cap for certain groups of players.

For example, I'd ballpark a dollar amount I'd want to spend for three linebackers, four defensive linemen, five offensive linemen, etc etc. So it doesn't matter if your MLB makes more money than your OLB so long as you don't go severely beyond the mini-cap for that particular set of players.

Insofar as the o-line is concerned, I get that a G isn't valued as highly as a LT. But here's where we diverge. Given that we have fairly young (and I think mediocre) prospects like Glenn and Hairston with modest rookie salaries affixed to the tackle positions indefinitely, there's plenty of free cash in the "o-line pool" to re-sign a guy like Levitre. So yes, I would absolutely make a play for him.

If Levitre's contract becomes cost prohibitive down the road, then structure it like virtually any veteran contract ever, and spread it out so that in 2 or 3 years you have the flexibility to release him without an incapacitating cap hit. Ironically 2 or 3 years is probably when we'll be due to pay big money for our tackles should we have the good fortune to see them develop into stars. Or draft a new stud in between.

Panicking about an imaginary contract 3 years from now avails this team nothing. I think we have a catastrophically flawed plan for building a winner and that should go without saying since, you know, we haven't been relevant since the 1990s.

[YardRat]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

If I were a GM instead of a random fan, my strategy would be to approximate a dollar amount that I'd willing to spend for various units as a whole. It would work like a mini-cap for certain groups of players.

For example, I'd ballpark a dollar amount I'd want to spend for three linebackers, four defensive linemen, five offensive linemen, etc etc. So it doesn't matter if your MLB makes more money than your OLB so long as you don't go severely beyond the mini-cap for that particular set of players.

I'd be interested in seeing an actual numeric break-down of that strategy, relative to our team and the current cap.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

agreed. Talk about buying high... they could have franchised him at $15 million and made him prove he's worth $20 million a year. If he does, you pay him with confidence. If he doesn't, you make a del that reflects what he's actually worth, which is less than $20 million. Not Newsome's best move as GM.

Agreed.

He's never thrown for more than 25 TDs.

Denver blowing that playoff game made Flacco extremely rich.

[OLDSRIP]

Re: Flacco / Ravens agree a new contract

If I were a GM instead of a random fan, my strategy would be to approximate a dollar amount that I'd willing to spend for various units as a whole. It would work like a mini-cap for certain groups of players.

For example, I'd ballpark a dollar amount I'd want to spend for three linebackers, four defensive linemen, five offensive linemen, etc etc. So it doesn't matter if your MLB makes more money than your OLB so long as you don't go severely beyond the mini-cap for that particular set of players.

Insofar as the o-line is concerned, I get that a G isn't valued as highly as a LT. But here's where we diverge. Given that we have fairly young (and I think mediocre) prospects like Glenn and Hairston with modest rookie salaries affixed to the tackle positions indefinitely, there's plenty of free cash in the "o-line pool" to re-sign a guy like Levitre. So yes, I would absolutely make a play for him.

If Levitre's contract becomes cost prohibitive down the road, then structure it like virtually any veteran contract ever, and spread it out so that in 2 or 3 years you have the flexibility to release him without an incapacitating cap hit. Ironically 2 or 3 years is probably when we'll be due to pay big money for our tackles should we have the good fortune to see them develop into stars. Or draft a new stud in between.

Panicking about an imaginary contract 3 years from now avails this team nothing. I think we have a catastrophically flawed plan for building a winner and that should go without saying since, you know, we haven't been relevant since the 1990s.

You have obviously put some thought into this. It sounds like good theory. Have you compared any numbers to real teams payrolls? Nice job.