Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

[Night Train]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147694/article/mike-mayock-ej-manuel-secondbest-qb-in-nfl-draft

If..and again I say IF...the Bills trade back into Round 1 to get a QB, (not endorsing it, calm down).. this should be the guy with the great athletic ability, size and film that shows improvement every year. Would seem to fit what Marrone/Hackett want. Will he last until early Round 2 ? Teams always overpick QB's.

Round 1 picks also sign for an extra year (5) in the new CBA, which is a smart angle for a QB you may like. Their 2nd contract could be huge if they're any good and the initial rookie deals are now very reasonable.

The 1st pick at #8 should be one of those 3 LT's, if Levitre walks. You do not pass on quality like that. Then you can gamble, if so inclined.

Find your LB's and WR's in FA.


Flame away !

[Bert102176]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

I would love E.J. with our second pick , but I think we will have to trade up to around 24 to get him

[TigerJ]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

You wrote about picking a left tackle in another thread, and I already disagreed with you there, so I have no reason to rehash that. We just disagree, that's all. Manuel does seem to be moving up, and I've always been intrigued by him. He's not a perfect QB, nobody is close to that this year, not compared to last year, but I could see him being regarded as a mid first round value by the time the draft rolls around.

[BillsFever21]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

I'm still torn on EJ Manuel. I've been a Seminoles fan my entire life and although he's talented I'm not completely sold on him yet. I wasn't sold on Ponder for years and was surprised he went as high as he did in the draft. So far he has only been an average QB at best and was picked far higher in the draft then he should've been. He was more of a late first/second round talent which has been proven with Kapernick going in the second and even Dalton outperforming him.

Manuel has a lot of athletic ability and has a decent arm and accuracy. If he ends up in the right system he may be decent but if he isn't used right then he won't be. The way the NFL offenses are transforming into more of a college type system may help his case. He did more then just run the ball in college though but wasn't spectacular passing either. If the pistol spread turns into a fad similar to the Wild Cat he could be in trouble though. With that said I would probably take a chance on him with our 2nd round pick if he's still available. He should be there unless some team jumps on him looking for the next Kapernick or poor mans RJ3.

Either way two of the top 5 QB's should be available when it's our turn to draft in the 2nd round. If they think their guy will be gone and we don't draft one in the 1st then they could always trade up several spots to make sure they get their guy. It wouldn't cost too much to move up from #40 to the end of the 1st/early second.

[mjt328]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

I like Manuel on film, and I would be satisfied if we came out of the draft with him as our quarterback.

But passing on a QB in the first just makes me nervous.
We've played this game 2 years in a row and people end up picking the player we want head of us.

I don't care what the mock drafts say, all of these quarterbacks aren't going to make it to us in the 2nd.
Other QB needy teams are already picking ahead of us, and they also have the ability to trade up.

[YardRat]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

If he's not sporting the Billy Dee Williams pornstache anymore, I think his value drops into the third round.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

he reminds me of a slower Kaepernick who I wanted us to draft .

[Pinkerton Security]

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I just cant buy on a guy who struggles at reading defenses. I want the guy who reads defenses better than anyone else because it doesnt matter how athletic or the arm you have, the ability to know where to throw the ball and being a good decision maker matters more to me.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

if they want to trade back up, then just take a qb at 8. obviously you think he is good enough to start and be a top 12 qb, so just take the risk.

geno smith is a solid pick.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

Mayock now has him as the 2nd ranked qb behind Geno Smith

[fluteflakes]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

I just cant buy on a guy who struggles at reading defenses. I want the guy who reads defenses better than anyone else because it doesnt matter how athletic or the arm you have, the ability to know where to throw the ball and being a good decision maker matters more to me.

This.

He was in the same offense for 5 years and didn't show any signs of grasping it better. The same bad reads he was making his first year starting he made this year. He never seemed to improve his accuracy, his timing, or his ability to process the game as it happens. And for someone that is widely reported to be a film rat already, that scares the crap out of me.

If we take him, we'll start him before he's ready and he will bust. He needs 1-2 years of sitting on the bench and developing.

[Bill Cody]

Re: Florida St. QB E.J. Manuel

if they want to trade back up, then just take a qb at 8. obviously you think he is good enough to start and be a top 12 qb, so just take the risk.

geno smith is a solid pick.

Geno yes. The others? No

[Bill Cody]

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This.

He was in the same offense for 5 years and didn't show any signs of grasping it better. The same bad reads he was making his first year starting he made this year. He never seemed to improve his accuracy, his timing, or his ability to process the game as it happens. And for someone that is widely reported to be a film rat already, that scares the crap out of me.

If we take him, we'll start him before he's ready and he will bust. He needs 1-2 years of sitting on the bench and developing.

Yeah he's a project and I agree with you. I do like him though. I would be fine with us trading down to the end of the 1st and taking him there. But that does leave an opening under center for a year or 2. Maybe sign Drew Stanton?

[RedEyE]

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He's my guy. Been saying it all off season. The game film doesn't lie. Not worth a gamble 8 overall but I wouldn't be mad if the Bills moved up late 1st.

[better days]

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I just cant buy on a guy who struggles at reading defenses. I want the guy who reads defenses better than anyone else because it doesnt matter how athletic or the arm you have, the ability to know where to throw the ball and being a good decision maker matters more to me.

So you would prefer Fitz. It does not matter if the QB knows where to throw the ball if he does not have the arm to get it there.

You can teach an intelligent, motivated guy how to read a defense, you can not teach him to have an NFL arm.