Bill's are getting "Fockerized" by SU

[mixxum]

Looks like there is a good chance the Bills will take Nassib at 8 unless an attractive offer is met for a trade down. With Doug M. and Nathaniel H, already there, there will be a great SU presence. Then imagine Doug bringing in some of his undrafted players for tryouts.


The Bills truly are getting Fockerized by SU.

Great SU video if you are both a Bills and a Syracuse fan. By the way I give props to who can give me the time stamp on when Nassib makes an appearance in this video. By the way the girl at the 2:38 mark kills it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01K5bgjEA18



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01K5bgjEA18)

[mixxum]

To those who don't know what "Fockerized" means here is a short clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zphkine7C0

[coastal]

This bodes well for the Bills.

lets raid the closet of a second rate college program.

that's the easiest way to build a pro powerhouse.

[BillsU]

This bodes well for the Bills.

lets raid the closet of a second rate college program.

that's the easiest way to build a pro powerhouse.

Second rate? You might want to do a little research on the history of Syracuse football buddy!

[coastal]

Second rate? You might want to do a little research on the history of Syracuse football buddy!
Yeah... my bad.

They match up against Florida, Alabama, LSU...

oh wait... no they don't.

[malvado78]

Second rate? You might want to do a little research on the history of Syracuse football buddy!

C'mon are you going to try and argue that the Syracuse football has been anything but second rate since McNabb left?
Records
2012: 8-5
2011: 5-7
2010: 8-5
2009: 4-8
2008: 3-9
2007: 2-10
2006: 4-8
2005: 1-10
2004: 6-6
2003: 6-6
2002: 4-8
2001: 10-3
2000: 6-5
1999: 7-5
Total: 74-95

That is ignoring the strength of opponents during that timeframe...

[swiper]

Yeah I have to agree with coastal. I am beginning to hate Syracuse more with each passing day. Marrone barely got by in the NCAA. Doesn't mean it's going to translate to the NFL. Something says this isn't going to end well - but it will be familiar to us. It's happened 4 or 5 times already.

[BillsU]

Yeah... my bad.

They match up against Florida, Alabama, LSU...

oh wait... no they don't.

How about do a little fact checking on all time wins, players in the NFL, Players in the NFL, NCAA HOF to start. Yeah we were bad near the end of the Paul P era hence he was fired and made a huge mistake in hiring Robinson as coach but to say Syracuse is second rate is just lazy banter.

[swiper]

How about do a little fact checking on all time wins, players in the NFL, Players in the NFL, NCAA HOF to start. Yeah we were bad near the end of the Paul P era hence he was fired and made a huge mistake in hiring Robinson as coach but to say Syracuse is second rate is just lazy banter.

I took him to mean NOW, not historically.

[coastal]

historically too!

its a second rate program in a second rate conference.

[ServoBillieves]

Gloom and doom due to the fact someone has a hunch that we're going Nassib at 8.

Sounds right for here.

[coastal]

Nassib is a backup QB in the making!

but lets pawn him off as a starter for three years... why... because he's local.

[coastal]

Here's Ryan Nassib after being drafted by the Bills...

16418

[swiper]

ROFL.

[BillsU]

historically too!

its a second rate program in a second rate conference.

Lol now you are just being a tool. They are in the ACC now too.

[RedEyE]

Syracuse football shouldn't even compare to being 2nd rate. When is last time 'Cuse actually finished a season in the BCS Top 25?

[swiper]

Lol now you are just being a tool.

Are you an alumni? Syracuse football gets soooo over-hyped.

[BillsU]

Syracuse football shouldn't even compare to being 2nd rate. When is last time 'Cuse actually finished a season in the BCS Top 25?

14th in 2001. So we have had a bad decade or so but historically still one of the better programs.

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Are you an alumni? Syracuse football gets soooo over-hyped.

Over-hyped? That's not what I am hearing and yeah I am 2006 grad.

[coastal]

Lol now you are just being a tool. They are in the ACC now too.
No. It's reality.

If I said Syracuse basketball was a second rate program... then Id be trolling.

i didn't say that though.

[coastal]

So we have had a bad decade
Lolz.

[BillsU]

No. It's reality.

If I said Syracuse basketball was a second rate program... then Id be trolling.

i didn't say that though.

Nah from what I gather being on this board a short while you are the leader of the trolls.

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Lolz.

Hey it's true bad hires will do that as a Bills fan as well I know all about it.

[coastal]

Nah from what I gather being on this board a short while you are the leader of the trolls.
No... I'm a counter culture bearer of truth.

there's a difference.

[swiper]

Nah from what I gather being on this board a short while you are the leader of the trolls.

Please don't tell us you're going to go after anyone who calls out the Syracuse football program for not being so good. They aren't. They haven't been.

[malvado78]

No... I'm a counter culture bearer of truth.

there's a difference.

Tomaeto, tomaato...

[BillsU]

Please don't tell us you're going to go after anyone who calls out the Syracuse football program for not being so good. They aren't. They haven't been.

Haven't been recently... No I'm not going after anyone who doesn't like Syracuse. I used to come to these forums back in the day and their definitely seems to be a different kind of crowd here now.

[swiper]

Haven't been recently... No I'm not going after anyone who doesn't like Syracuse. I used to come to these forums back in the day and their definitely seems to be a different kind of crowd here now.

They had the internet back then?

[BillsU]

They had the internet back then?

Well I'm 28 and yes they did.

[coastal]

No offense to The Orange or their alum dude, but they don't have a college football powerhouse.

[BillsU]

No offense to The Orange or their alum dude, but they don't have a college football powerhouse.

Maybe not anymore but their have been improvements. Move to the ACC and building a 17.5 million dollar indoor practice facility should help, but wining is obviously the most important.

[coastal]

Maybe not anymore but their have been improvements. Move to the ACC and building a 17.5 million dollar indoor practice facility should help, but wining is obviously the most important.
Here's some Orange porn for ya...


http://youtu.be/pPfUIZGqir4

[BillsU]

Here's some Orange porn for ya...


http://youtu.be/pPfUIZGqir4

Odd choice but I will take it...lol

[WagonCircler]

How about do a little fact checking on all time wins, players in the NFL, Players in the NFL, NCAA HOF to start. Yeah we were bad near the end of the Paul P era hence he was fired and made a huge mistake in hiring Robinson as coach but to say Syracuse is second rate is just lazy banter.

Yes, their performance in the 40's and 50's is VERY relevant today. I hope we draft Ernie Davis or Jim Brown.

Second rate is actually being generous.

[BillsU]

Yes, their performance in the 40's and 50's is VERY relevant today. I hope we draft Ernie Davis or Jim Brown.

Second rate is actually being generous.

ha

[mjt328]

The rumors about Ryan Nassib just burn me. If true, it's just another reminder of why the Buffalo Bills franchise is such a pathetic sack of crap.

4-5 months ago, Nassib was considered a second/third round prospect. I didn't see him ranked higher than #4 or #5 on anyone's list of top 2013 quarterbacks until about February. To this day, I've only seen one media personality with Nassib ranked as his #1 quarterback. Almost everyone has Geno Smith ranked higher. Most have EJ Manuel higher. The majority have Matt Barkley higher.

Does anyone really believe (besides the dozens of Syracuse fans on this board) that Nassib is the best quarterback in the draft? Does anyone see him as the safest pick? Does anyone see him as having the most upside? Does he have the best arm, the best mechanics, the best accuracy, the best decision-making, the best pocket presence? Nope. In almost every area, the guy is middle of the pack. He played for an average college team, against average college competition. Despite that, his team only posted an 8-5 record. His numbers aren't even close to most of the other guys I mentioned - particularly Smith and Barkley.

So why in the world would Buffalo have him ranked as their top guy? Why would they even consider him at #8? There are only a few possible answers, and all make me sick to my stomach:

The most common excuse is that Nassib already knows Doug Marrone's offense. This is absolutely disgusting. A smart team builds its system around the players, not vice-versa. Only teams like the Bills would pass on better prospects, in order to get a guy that "fits the system." There may be a slightly longer learning curve with the other prospects. But after 6 months, Nassib's slight advantage will be gone - and we'll be back down to pure skill.

Sadly, another possible answer is regionalization.
This is the same team pimping one of its home games out to Toronto. It wouldn't surprise me to see Russ Brandon pushing for Nassib, simply because he's a local guy. As someone else said, why else would we raid a second-rate college team?

[jamze132]

Taking any QB at #8 would be absolutely the most stupid, idiot, moronic, and ****tardish thing we could possible do right now. We have Kolb who is more than capable of keeping the game close only to ultimately lose in the 4th QTR, just like all of the other QBs in this ****ty class. Why waste a pick trying to CATCH lightning in a bottle? It's ****ing stupid to even think about taking one of these QBs at #8 when there are difference makers that can be had early in the draft.

[cookie G]

That's it!

We trade up in the 1st for Jim Brown!

Then take a flyer on Carmello Anthony in the 2nd.

I can't wait to see how the 2-3 zone front works in the NFL.

[BillsU]

That's it!

We trade up in the 1st for Jim Brown!

Then take a flyer on Carmello Anthony in the 2nd.

I can't wait to see how the 2-3 zone front works in the NFL.

If Marrone can pile up wins like Jimmy B. I'm all for it.

[Pinkerton Security]

Yeah I have to agree with coastal. I am beginning to hate Syracuse more with each passing day. Marrone barely got by in the NCAA. Doesn't mean it's going to translate to the NFL. Something says this isn't going to end well - but it will be familiar to us. It's happened 4 or 5 times already.

Why exactly are you hating Syracuse more? What did the university do? If anything, hate the Bills for taking their entire staff. They may not be a powerhouse but I dont understand why your hate grows for the program.

[OLDSRIP]

Why exactly are you hating Syracuse more? What did the university do? If anything, hate the Bills for taking their entire staff. They may not be a powerhouse but I dont understand why your hate grows for the program.

I don't get the hate either. Maybe he applied and didn't get excepted?

[kishoph]

Delaware Fightin Blue Hens and the Nevada Wolf Pack, that's the power houses where the 2 starting QB's in last years Super Bowl came from. Look at the last 10 national champions and see where there starting QB's are now, judging a QB solely on what college he went to will get you nowhere.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Looks like there is a good chance the Bills will take Nassib at 8 unless an attractive offer is met for a trade down. With Doug M. and Nathaniel H, already there, there will be a great SU presence. Then imagine Doug bringing in some of his undrafted players for tryouts.
The premise of this entire thread is based on one person's assumption. "Looks like there's a good chance" from a Joe Blow unconnected non-insider fan is pure speculation. We can argue all day long about whether SU is crap or not but it's not worth the time since there's ZERO merit on this subject.

Pass.

[gebobs]

Are you an alumni? Syracuse football gets soooo over-hyped.
LOL Only in WNY. Trust me when I tell you that no one in the SEC even thinks about the Big East (or the ACC) until March.

Here's hoping Nassib, if he plays for the Bills, is more like McNabb than Don McPherson or (Buffalo Sports HOFer and former Buffalo Bill) Billy Hurley. :-)

So I see Syracuse shared a few Big East titles including this year. Is there no championship game?

Also, do Syracuse fans really like calling the team 'Cuse. Ugh...sounds too close to "excuse".

[gebobs]

Delaware Fightin Blue Hens and the Nevada Wolf Pack, that's the power houses where the 2 starting QB's in last years Super Bowl came from. Look at the last 10 national champions and see where there starting QB's are now, judging a QB solely on what college he went to will get you nowhere.
Splitting hairs here, but I don't know about nowhere. :-)

Of the 96 quarterbacks that have played in the Super Bowl (including multiple appearances), half came from just 10 schools (Notre Dame, Stanford, Purdue, Michigan, Alabama, Cal, Louisiana Tech, Miami (FL), UCLA, and Georgia).

Here's hoping Nassib and the Bills can add to Syracuse's total of 1.

[jwenger]

Second rate? You might want to do a little research on the history of Syracuse football buddy!

The only good football players to come out of there were Jimmy Brown and Ernie Davis.
Compiling a 8-5 record in a weak Big East Division is not much. Both Marrone and his little
buddy Nassib transistioning to the NFL with the Big Boys and thriving is beyond me. Well see.

[BillsU]

The only good football players to come out of there were Jimmy Brown and Ernie Davis.
Compiling a 8-5 record in a weak Big East Division is not much. Both Marrone and his little
buddy Nassib transistioning to the NFL with the Big Boys and thriving is beyond me. Well see.

Wow talk about doing some mighty fine research...

[Pinkerton Security]

The only good football players to come out of there were Jimmy Brown and Ernie Davis.
Compiling a 8-5 record in a weak Big East Division is not much. Both Marrone and his little
buddy Nassib transistioning to the NFL with the Big Boys and thriving is beyond me. Well see.

Just one Cuse player has these stats to brag about:
3rd all time in receptions
6th all time in receiving yards
5th all time in receiving TDs
single season record holder for receptions


Not very good huh

[K-Gun]

[QUOTE=WagonCircler;3782788 Yes, their performance in the 40's and 50's is VERY relevant today./QUOTE]

Two words: Tom Coughlin.

And yeah, I remember when I wanted the Bills to hire him as HC when Greg Williams got fired.

[jpdex12]

No. It's reality.

If I said Syracuse basketball was a second rate program... then Id be trolling.

i didn't say that though.

I have lived in Syracuse my whole life and watched them closely. All I can say is if Syracuse is considered second rate then Buffalo is too. So isn't this argument like arguing a double standard? Syracuse was a formidable football team back when we had Graves, McPherson and McNabb during the freeze option days back with Coach Mac and Paul. SU has mirrored Buffalo in the past decade. SU could very well have two players drafted in the first round this year. They have produced plenty of highly drafted players over the years.

You don't have to trash SU just because you don't like the possibility that they will draft Nassib in the first round at #8. I didn't like the Maybin pick at all but I didn't trash Penn State. I'll tell you what, I'd rather let Nassib prove his worth than watch Kolb struggle for a few years. I'd say Nassib has more promise than Kolb does. All we can do is support our team the best we can...it's not like we can do anything about it. If you don't like it than take a hike. There are 31 other teams out there to choose from.

BTW, don't be surprised to see Lemon picked up late in the draft or as an UDFA. He's like another Nelson but he knows the offense well and finds the soft spots in the defense.

[gebobs]

All I can say is if Syracuse is considered second rate then Buffalo is too.
The Bills? LOL Second-rate would be an improvement.


You don't have to trash SU just because you don't like the possibility that they will draft Nassib
It's not that. It's just a fact. Heck, lacrosse is higher on the pecking order at Syracuse than football.

[pmoon6]

historically too!

its a second rate program in a second rate conference.Hmmm, the college that produced Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Marvin Harrison, Donavan McNabb, Art Monk, Larry Czonka, Daryl Johnston, Dwight Freeney, John Mackey, and Floyd Little is second rate, historically?

[Ingtar33]

Gloom and doom due to the fact someone has a hunch that we're going Nassib at 8.

Sounds right for here.

I'm starting to think Geno Smith will be there at 7.

If that's the case we can be spared this SU talk for a while.

[coastal]

Hmmm, the college that produced Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Marvin Harrison, Donavan McNabb, Art Monk, Larry Czonka, Daryl Johnston, Dwight Freeney, John Mackey, and Floyd Little is second rate, historically?
And the homer-in-chief chimes in!

this isn't even worth a debate. SU is not a college football powerhouse. Period. End of story.

breath thicker air.

[coastal]

I have lived in Syracuse my whole life and watched them closely. All I can say is if Syracuse is considered second rate then Buffalo is too. So isn't this argument like arguing a double standard? Syracuse was a formidable football team back when we had Graves, McPherson and McNabb during the freeze option days back with Coach Mac and Paul. SU has mirrored Buffalo in the past decade. SU could very well have two players drafted in the first round this year. They have produced plenty of highly drafted players over the years.

You don't have to trash SU just because you don't like the possibility that they will draft Nassib in the first round at #8. I didn't like the Maybin pick at all but I didn't trash Penn State. I'll tell you what, I'd rather let Nassib prove his worth than watch Kolb struggle for a few years. I'd say Nassib has more promise than Kolb does. All we can do is support our team the best we can...it's not like we can do anything about it. If you don't like it than take a hike. There are 31 other teams out there to choose from.

BTW, don't be surprised to see Lemon picked up late in the draft or as an UDFA. He's like another Nelson but he knows the offense well and finds the soft spots in the defense.
I'm not trashing SU.

I'm stating a fact.

LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, USC...

Those are grade A college football programs.

Syracuse isn't that.... not even close.

[pmoon6]

And the homer-in-chief chimes in!

this isn't even worth a debate. SU is not a college football powerhouse. Period. End of story.

breath thicker air.Beats Homo-in-chief, Todd. I'm still waiting to hear you moved to San Francisco to root for your favorite football team and commiserate with your preferred sexual partners.

[coastal]

Beats Homo-in-chief, Todd. I'm still waiting to hear you moved to San Francisco to root for your favorite football team and commiserate with your preferred sexual partners.
I'll take pictures just for u.

[pmoon6]

I'm not trashing SU.

I'm stating a fact.

LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, USC...

Those are grade A college football programs.

Syracuse isn't that.... not even close.You forgot Texas and Texas A&M.

[pmoon6]

I'll take pictures just for u.You've got talent. Taking pictures from the bent over position seems like quite a feat.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

C'mon are you going to try and argue that the Syracuse football has been anything but second rate since McNabb left?
Records
2012: 8-5
2011: 5-7
2010: 8-5
2009: 4-8
2008: 3-9
2007: 2-10
2006: 4-8
2005: 1-10
2004: 6-6
2003: 6-6
2002: 4-8
2001: 10-3
2000: 6-5
1999: 7-5
Total: 74-95

That is ignoring the strength of opponents during that timeframe...

Holy shiite, that equates to a .438 record. Dick Jauron would love that winning percentage and had the same career winning percentage with us. Way to mediocre Bills. I hate this team sometimes. Nassib does not impress me. I want Geno or EJ, but could live with Barkley because any of the three would show me OBD was trying. Nassib, especially in the first round, would be the worst choice we've made with a first pick since Aaron Maybin.

[mjt328]

I have lived in Syracuse my whole life and watched them closely. All I can say is if Syracuse is considered second rate then Buffalo is too. So isn't this argument like arguing a double standard? Syracuse was a formidable football team back when we had Graves, McPherson and McNabb during the freeze option days back with Coach Mac and Paul. SU has mirrored Buffalo in the past decade. SU could very well have two players drafted in the first round this year. They have produced plenty of highly drafted players over the years.

You don't have to trash SU just because you don't like the possibility that they will draft Nassib in the first round at #8. I didn't like the Maybin pick at all but I didn't trash Penn State. I'll tell you what, I'd rather let Nassib prove his worth than watch Kolb struggle for a few years. I'd say Nassib has more promise than Kolb does. All we can do is support our team the best we can...it's not like we can do anything about it. If you don't like it than take a hike. There are 31 other teams out there to choose from.

BTW, don't be surprised to see Lemon picked up late in the draft or as an UDFA. He's like another Nelson but he knows the offense well and finds the soft spots in the defense.

Nobody is trashing the "history" of the Syracuse program. There are obviously plenty of good NFL players that have come out of Syracuse over the years.


The reason people are upset (and calling them second-rate), is because the CURRENT Syracuse football program has not been good. You cannot argue this fact. During the Marrone/Nassib era (2009-2012), Syracuse put up a record of 25-25. That includes only one conference title and only two bowl wins. They were not in the top BCS rankings in ANY of those four seasons.

These were the results of the Doug Marrone, Nathaniel Hackett and Ryan Nassib combination in college. Let that sink in for a second...

Now the Buffalo Bills are expecting this SAME combination to step up and blow away the NFL. To overthrow the Patriots in the AFC East and win us a Super Bowl. It's an absolutely absurd plan - even for us, and anyone who thinks it will work is a blind fool.

[Mouldsie]

Historically, SU has produced a lot of great NFL talent

[DGreg]

Never thought of it this way. The bills are going to be Fockerized. ROFLMAO

[kishoph]

I'm not trashing SU.

I'm stating a fact.

LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, USC...

Those are grade A college football programs.

Syracuse isn't that.... not even close.

And look at all the great QB's that came out of those programs in the last 20 years. Russell, Tebow, Art Schliter, Sanchez...


Nobody is trashing the "history" of the Syracuse program. There are obviously plenty of good NFL players that have come out of Syracuse over the years.


The reason people are upset (and calling them second-rate), is because the CURRENT Syracuse football program has not been good. You cannot argue this fact. During the Marrone/Nassib era (2009-2012), Syracuse put up a record of 25-25. That includes only one conference title and only two bowl wins. They were not in the top BCS rankings in ANY of those four seasons.

These were the results of the Doug Marrone, Nathaniel Hackett and Ryan Nassib combination in college. Let that sink in for a second...

Now the Buffalo Bills are expecting this SAME combination to step up and blow away the NFL. To overthrow the Patriots in the AFC East and win us a Super Bowl. It's an absolutely absurd plan - even for us, and anyone who thinks it will work is a blind fool.

The results they achieved came after taking over what was turned into one of the worst programs in college football. Do you think Syracuse had the top recruits banging at the door ? Anybody that knows college football would admit that turning that program around was quite an accomplishment

[mjt328]

The results they achieved came after taking over what was turned into one of the worst programs in college football. Do you think Syracuse had the top recruits banging at the door ? Anybody that knows college football would admit that turning that program around was quite an accomplishment

And here lies the problem. You can't have it both ways.

When we hired Marrone and Hackett as coaches, critics pointed out their mediocre record at Syracuse. In response, supporters of the hire claimed that the coaching staff basically had nothing to work with. His players sucked, so 8-5 was a big accomplishment. Well OK, fine.

Now, we are looking to potentially draft the Syracuse quarterback in the first round of the NFL draft. This guy is expected to be the future of the Bills franchise and bring us back to the playoffs. So now, one must ask the question - if Marrone is so great, how did he only amass a 25-25 record with a franchise NFL quarterback under center?


Somebody has to take the blame for Syracuse performance...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

And here lies the problem. You can't have it both ways.

When we hired Marrone and Hackett as coaches, critics pointed out their mediocre record at Syracuse. In response, supporters of the hire claimed that the coaching staff basically had nothing to work with. His players sucked, so 8-5 was a big accomplishment. Well OK, fine.

Now, we are looking to potentially draft the Syracuse quarterback in the first round of the NFL draft. This guy is expected to be the future of the Bills franchise and bring us back to the playoffs. So now, one must ask the question - if Marrone is so great, how did he only amass a 25-25 record with a franchise NFL quarterback under center?


Somebody has to take the blame for Syracuse performance...

I agree, cognitive dissonance. i mean, its a team game, but if nassib really is a franchise qb, then syracuse would have won at least 10-11 games in that conf, TWICE....

great point, and thats why we are taking barkley or manuel

[fluteflakes]

I just don't get why people are so enamored with Nassib.

He's got a good, not great arm, struggles throwing on the move, struggles throwing deep, has great intermediate accuracy but until 5 games into last season his pocket awareness and presence was just non-extant. His deep accuracy is mind numbbingly bad, though it's correctable. His footwork isn't very good but he's got a nice, high release point and shows decent wheels when things break down.

He's a 2nd-3rd round "tools" project QB, he's not someone you take at #8, you take a QB at #8 because they're going to start EARLY and be able to play well. I don't see how you can get that out of Nassib. It just REEKS of stupidity to me. I mean I really don't like Barkley but I'd be much more comfortable with him at #8 than Nassib, if we can't get Geno then we need to go BPA at a position of need or find somebody to trade back with.

[TigerJ]

I've seen quite a few mocks that have Justin Pugh mocked to the Bills in the second or third round and a few that have Alec Lemon ( a possession receiver) mocked to the Bills late.

[mjt328]

I just don't get why people are so enamored with Nassib.

He's got a good, not great arm, struggles throwing on the move, struggles throwing deep, has great intermediate accuracy but until 5 games into last season his pocket awareness and presence was just non-extant. His deep accuracy is mind numbbingly bad, though it's correctable. His footwork isn't very good but he's got a nice, high release point and shows decent wheels when things break down.

He's a 2nd-3rd round "tools" project QB, he's not someone you take at #8, you take a QB at #8 because they're going to start EARLY and be able to play well. I don't see how you can get that out of Nassib. It just REEKS of stupidity to me. I mean I really don't like Barkley but I'd be much more comfortable with him at #8 than Nassib, if we can't get Geno then we need to go BPA at a position of need or find somebody to trade back with.

You know why I'm baffled?

For the last 4 months, we have been hearing Geno was the best QB prospect, and the only one worthy of a 1st round grade. Most experts thought he wouldn't get out of the Top 5.

But now that Jax, Oak and Phil appear to be looking elsewhere - we apparently aren't even considering him?

[Pinkerton Security]

I agree, cognitive dissonance. i mean, its a team game, but if nassib really is a franchise qb, then syracuse would have won at least 10-11 games in that conf, TWICE....

great point, and thats why we are taking barkley or manuel

Drew Brees team records in his junior and senior seasons: 7-5, 8-4

Franchise QB's dont always dominate

[fluteflakes]

You know why I'm baffled?

For the last 4 months, we have been hearing Geno was the best QB prospect, and the only one worthy of a 1st round grade. Most experts thought he wouldn't get out of the Top 5.

But now that Jax, Oak and Phil appear to be looking elsewhere - we apparently aren't even considering him?

Seriously. We signed Kolb to a back-up type deal and EVERYBODY knows he's nothing more than an over glorified placeholder. If Geno is there at #8 and we take another QB I'd be LIVID.

[kishoph]

And here lies the problem. You can't have it both ways.

When we hired Marrone and Hackett as coaches, critics pointed out their mediocre record at Syracuse. In response, supporters of the hire claimed that the coaching staff basically had nothing to work with. His players sucked, so 8-5 was a big accomplishment. Well OK, fine.

Now, we are looking to potentially draft the Syracuse quarterback in the first round of the NFL draft. This guy is expected to be the future of the Bills franchise and bring us back to the playoffs. So now, one must ask the question - if Marrone is so great, how did he only amass a 25-25 record with a franchise NFL quarterback under center?


Somebody has to take the blame for Syracuse performance...


I don't think you can blame the offense for their average record, they ranked 17th in the FBS in total offense, their highest rank was 9th, in 3rd down conversions. I don't know if Nassib is the answer, but if the Bills like him, I'm alright with it. My biggest argument in this thread is that you can't judge a QB by what school he went to. College ball is different than it was 10 years ago, more schools are running pro style offense's and the QB's are more prepared than ever to come into the NFL and succeed, last season shows that.

[mjt328]

I don't think you can blame the offense for their average record, they ranked 17th in the FBS in total offense, their highest rank was 9th, in 3rd down conversions. I don't know if Nassib is the answer, but if the Bills like him, I'm alright with it. My biggest argument in this thread is that you can't judge a QB by what school he went to. College ball is different than it was 10 years ago, more schools are running pro style offense's and the QB's are more prepared than ever to come into the NFL and succeed, last season shows that.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not that people think a Syracuse QB is automatically doomed to fail in the NFL.

The problem is that Buffalo seems to be pooling WAY TOO MANY resources from one school. We are talking head coach, system, offensive coordinator and quarterback. It demonstrates a terrible lack of vision on the part of our front office. Not to mention arrogance from the coaching staff.

We aren't even talking about Alabama's offensive line and running game. We aren't even talking about LSU's defense. Those are the top ranked schools in the nation, displaying the best results in the NCAA. As you said - we are talking the 17th ranked offense with an 8-5 record.

Do we honestly think the same combination can create a Top 5-10 NFL offense and 12+ wins per year? And if that isn't the goal, what are we doing?

[SpikedLemonade]

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not that people think a Syracuse QB is automatically doomed to fail in the NFL.

The problem is that Buffalo seems to be pooling WAY TOO MANY resources from one school. We are talking head coach, system, offensive coordinator and quarterback. It demonstrates a terrible lack of vision on the part of our front office. Not to mention arrogance from the coaching staff.

We aren't even talking about Alabama's offensive line and running game. We aren't even talking about LSU's defense. Those are the top ranked schools in the nation, displaying the best results in the NCAA. As you said - we are talking the 17th ranked offense with an 8-5 record.

Do we honestly think the same combination can create a Top 5-10 NFL offense and 12+ wins per year? And if that isn't the goal, what are we doing?

Dead on!

[jwenger]

Hmmm, the college that produced Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Marvin Harrison, Donavan McNabb, Art Monk, Larry Czonka, Daryl Johnston, Dwight Freeney, John Mackey, and Floyd Little is second rate, historically?

Now and then even a blind squirrel will find a nut or two.

[jwenger]

Seriously. We signed Kolb to a back-up type deal and EVERYBODY knows he's nothing more than an over glorified placeholder. If Geno is there at #8 and we take another QB I'd be LIVID.

ME TOO -----

[gebobs]

Hmmm, the college that produced Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Marvin Harrison, Donavan McNabb, Art Monk, Larry Czonka, Daryl Johnston, Dwight Freeney, John Mackey, and Floyd Little is second rate, historically?
Lol...the youngest of those guys graduated more than 10 years ago!

In the past 4 drafts, they have had just 8 players taken. Georgia and Alabama have nearly that many every year. Those teams have respectively have had 24 and 25 players drafted since '09.

Hell, Ga Tech has had more drafted over that time and every Bills fan should know what a second-rate college team they are.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I don't think you can blame the offense for their average record, they ranked 17th in the FBS in total offense, their highest rank was 9th, in 3rd down conversions. I don't know if Nassib is the answer, but if the Bills like him, I'm alright with it. My biggest argument in this thread is that you can't judge a QB by what school he went to. College ball is different than it was 10 years ago, more schools are running pro style offense's and the QB's are more prepared than ever to come into the NFL and succeed, last season shows that.

You've got it completely reversed. More pro teams are running college offenses. The shotgun spread, the read option, the pistol, the wildcat... Hell, Denver ran the freaking triple option with Tebow for a few games.

So many colleges were switching to these wide open attacks that NFL coaches finally decided to stop trying to force square pegs in round holes and adopted what the guys were already comfortable running.

[coastal]

Alabama had 3 picks in a row in top 15 picks.

not a second rate program.

close the thread.