Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

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  • BLeonard
    BoB Sabermetrician
    • Jan 2003
    • 4625

    Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...



    In the forty-nine states not named California, workers’ compensation claims are centered on specific injuries, and a set amount of money is usually awarded or agreed to in a settlement. California, however, allows for “cumulative trauma” claims. Cumulative trauma encompasses all wear-and-tear injuries suffered from constant overuse on the job. Claims in the other states have been mostly manageable, because NFL clubs and their insurers have a fairly accurate idea of their average annual liability based on the most common and obvious specific injuries suffered by players.

    With cumulative trauma cases, however, the potential liability is limitless, subject to the whim of California judges. Retired player benefits have already been calculated at more than $1 million per year. Further, this applies to any player who has ever played for a team based in California, regardless of whether the player was employed elsewhere before retiring. With ever-increasing health costs and the fact that benefits extend to the full life expectancy of the player, the potential liability of a team based in California is enormous.
    Therefore, any team that voluntarily relocates into California must be willing to bear the severe workers’ compensation financial burden that is guaranteed to result.

    In addition to the added workers’ compensation liability, any owner considering relocation into California must also bear in mind the state’s newly passed Proposition 30, which raises the state income tax rate on individuals earning more than $1 million from 10.3% to 13.3%, the highest rate in the country.

    In order for such a move to be financially prudent, the relocating club must conduct a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether its profits will increase to such an extent as to cover all liability incurred by its increased workers’ compensation exposure and tax hike. In doing so, the club must not be short-sighted; it must be confident that once the shimmer of a new team in town fades, the club can maintain consistent profits for decades to come, despite the inevitable ebbs and flows of fan support and the team’s on-field performance. It must also remember that with every player it signs to a California contract comes the potential for a lifetime of medical coverage liability.
    What remains to be seen is how the league office will react when only one team applies for relocation to Los Angeles. The commissioner’s June memo makes it clear that the NFL wants two teams in the City of Angels, and it will be very interesting to see whether a single club is permitted to move there and inhabit Farmer’s Field without a co-tenant.

    Due to the financial risks posed by a current NFL team relocating to Los Angeles, it appears unlikely that any franchise will make the move. As stated above, it appears that the most feasible means of NFL entry into the Los Angeles market is a league expansion to thirty-four teams. While a number of current clubs may prefer Los Angeles to their current homes, the logistics of relocation appear to render the move entirely inadvisable at this time.
    -Bill
  • Swiper
    Legendary Zoner
    • Sep 2010
    • 33105

    #2
    Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

    The argument would make sense, perhaps, if there were no other current teams managing there. But if other teams can manage it, so could a Los Angeles team. This is not why LA does not have a team.

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    • don137
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 7720

      #3
      Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

      I think the NFL and its owners love having no team in LA. It has been proven already that there is not a huge NFL following in LA thus causing teams to move. However, being such a large city it appears to be an attractive landing spot for an NFL team to relocate.
      Thus the threat of moving to LA has generated hundreds of millions if not billions of tax dollars to be used on new stadiums or renovations across the NFl. Owners have used the threat to move the team to LA countless times and politicians everywhere cave giving owners tax dollars so they do not have to spend their own dollars on stadium or get tax relief such as low leases to locally owned stadium or lower their property taxes on owner owned stadiums. This raises profits and raises the value of the team.

      IMO, the NFL does not want a team in LA because the owners would not be able to use the threat of relocating to LA thus not able to swindle as much from politicians thus having to use more of their money for new stadiums, renovation, have a higher lease and/or higher property taxes.
      Last edited by don137; 05-08-2013, 05:29 AM.

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      • jimmifli
        Registered User
        • Nov 2006
        • 7827

        #4
        Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

        There isn't much room to improve TV ratings except for moving a team to LA, they cover almost all of the top 50 American TV markets. It's their largest source of revenue, they'll want a team there by the time the new TV contract is up.

        It's probably the only way for them to keep expanding TV revenue.

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        • Historian
          2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
          • Dec 2002
          • 61956

          #5
          Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

          Even if they get a team, they will probably get some sort of exemption from these laws.

          Why? Because It's the NFL.

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          • OpIv37
            Acid Douching Asswipe
            • Sep 2002
            • 101342

            #6
            Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

            It all comes down to this: will an NFL team in LA make more money- even with these potential lawsuits- than they will in their current city?

            If the other team is Dallas, well, absolutely not. If the other team is Jacksonville, well, maybe.

            The NFL will have some really smart people crunch the numbers and come up with an answer.

            Oh, and San Fran went to the Super Bowl this year. So, the taxes and potential lawsuits don't seem to be hurting the teams that are there now.
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            • BLeonard
              BoB Sabermetrician
              • Jan 2003
              • 4625

              #7
              Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

              Originally posted by Swiper View Post
              The argument would make sense, perhaps, if there were no other current teams managing there. But if other teams can manage it, so could a Los Angeles team. This is not why LA does not have a team.
              The point behind the article is, any current team moving to LA would have to start playing by California laws... Something that they don't have to do in their current locales.

              Considering all of the other costs associated with moving a team (relocation fee, buying out stadium lease, etc, etc) it's yet another cost that any owner would have to consider... A permanent cost, at that.

              Anyone with half a brain also knows how fickle the LA fans can be... Currently, any NFL owner would be taking a big risk financially, at best, if they were to decide to try and move to LA... Since the NFL owners are businessmen, they're likley not going to take that risk, when they know they have a much more "sure thing" by staying in their current location.

              -Bill

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              • BLeonard
                BoB Sabermetrician
                • Jan 2003
                • 4625

                #8
                Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                Oh, and San Fran went to the Super Bowl this year. So, the taxes and potential lawsuits don't seem to be hurting the teams that are there now.
                Again, San Francisco has had to follow California laws since their inception... It's nothing new to them... To any team moving to California from another state, it would be something new...

                -Bill
                Last edited by BLeonard; 05-08-2013, 10:43 AM.

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                • OpIv37
                  Acid Douching Asswipe
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 101342

                  #9
                  Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                  Originally posted by BLeonard View Post
                  Again, San Francisco has had to follow California laws since their inception... It's nothing new to them... To any team moving to California from another state, it would be something new...

                  -Bill
                  But SF proves that NFL teams can still be successful in terms of both profits and winning under California law. It's a hurdle, but it's not an insurmountable one.
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                  • BLeonard
                    BoB Sabermetrician
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 4625

                    #10
                    Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                    Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                    But SF proves that NFL teams can still be successful in terms of both profits and winning under California law. It's a hurdle, but it's not an insurmountable one.
                    San Francisco doesn't have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings and Galaxy to compete with, either... Not to mention USC and UCLA.

                    You think a LA resident is gonna spend money to see a 2-7 NFL team, when the Lakers are starting their season...?

                    I'm not saying it can't be done... I'm saying, chances are, no current owner in their right mind is gonna take the risk, when they know they have a guaranteed profit by staying where they are.

                    -Bill

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101342

                      #11
                      Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                      You think Jacksonville has a guaranteed profit?
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                      • BLeonard
                        BoB Sabermetrician
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4625

                        #12
                        Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                        Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                        You think Jacksonville has a guaranteed profit?
                        Guaranteed? Well, nothing is guaranteed... But, I do think that they have about as close to a guarnateed profit as is possible... Reason: Their lease is tied to it.

                        If the Jacksonville Jaguars' prospective new owner wants to move the team to a new city before 2030, he'd have to pay the city millions of dollars to get out of its lease for EverBank Field. The te…


                        If the Jacksonville Jaguars’ prospective new owner wants to move the team to a new city before 2030, he’d have to pay the city millions of dollars to get out of its lease for EverBank Field.

                        The team could avoid paying a lot of those penalties — which could total more than $100 million — if it lost money one year and was below the NFL’s revenue average the following two years.
                        So, since it's probably a safe bet that they fall under the league average revenue on a regular basis, that would mean, they essentially only need one season of losing money.

                        Now, former owner Wayne Weaver claimed that the team did lose money in two years between 2002 and 2004... So, that begs the question... Why didn't he buy out the lease and move to LA (or elsewhere) then?

                        My only logical guess: It would have cost him more, with no guarantee of being able to recoup that money in the new city.

                        Either that, or, in order to prove that they lost money, they would have had to open their books... Something that the NFL and it's teams really don't like doing.

                        In short, it wasn't worth the risk and cost to him to move, even if he did lose money in some years.

                        -Bill

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                        • Mr. Pink
                          Peterman Sucks!
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 35303

                          #13
                          Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                          Originally posted by BLeonard View Post
                          San Francisco doesn't have the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings and Galaxy to compete with, either... Not to mention USC and UCLA.

                          You think a LA resident is gonna spend money to see a 2-7 NFL team, when the Lakers are starting their season...?

                          I'm not saying it can't be done... I'm saying, chances are, no current owner in their right mind is gonna take the risk, when they know they have a guaranteed profit by staying where they are.

                          -Bill
                          They just have the Giants, A's, Warriors, Raiders and Stanford and Cal.

                          That doesn't even take into account the San Jose teams. San Jose is about 45 minutes away.

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                          • BLeonard
                            BoB Sabermetrician
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4625

                            #14
                            Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                            Originally posted by Mr. Pink View Post
                            They just have the Giants, A's, Warriors, Raiders and Stanford and Cal.

                            That doesn't even take into account the San Jose teams. San Jose is about 45 minutes away.
                            Average MLB attendances last year:

                            SF: 41,696
                            LAD: 41,040
                            LAA: 37,800
                            OAK: 20,729

                            Advantage: LA

                            Average NBA Attendances last year:

                            GS: 19,373
                            LAC: 19,226
                            LAL: 18,997

                            Advantage: LA

                            Average NCAAF Attendances:

                            USC: 87,945
                            UCLA: 68,482
                            Stanford: 43,344
                            Cal: 55,876

                            Advantage: LA

                            Average NHL Attendances:

                            LA Kings: 18,178
                            San Jose: 17,561

                            Advantage: LA... That's not even counting the Anaheim Ducks, who are even closer to LA than San Jose is to San Francisco.

                            The fan support is much higher in LA in every case, but, the problem is, they only show if the team is winning. Good luck finding an NFL owner of a winning team that is willing to risk moving to LA.

                            -Bill

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                            • Night Train
                              Retired - On Several Levels
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 33117

                              #15
                              Re: Two more reasons that LA is nothing more than the NFL's "Boogeyman"...

                              I'm still amazed that after all these years, we're still talking about a team "possibly" moving to LA. It's almost like the boy who cried wolf, then everyone stopped paying attention. Still seems like years away, if at all.
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