Manuel: Bills offense easier to learn than FSU's

[IlluminatusUIUC]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9291927/ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-system-easier-learn-florida-state-offense


Buffalo Bills (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills) quarterback EJ Manuel (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15803/ej-manuel) said Sunday in a radio interview from the NFLPA Rookie Premiere in Los Angeles that he is quickly picking up the team's offense, which he said is less complex than the system he used at Florida State.
"The funny thing is it's easier to learn than the offense I had at Florida State," he told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "It's a true West Coast-type progression offense. That's really what I wanted when I was coming through the pre-draft process. I wanted something that I could just go in and say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, check it down and run it. That's it, it's that simple. I love it."
He said he spent extensive time during the Bills' rookie minicamp and organized team activities working with offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.
"I've done great. The learning curve for me is a lot shorter simply because of what I had at Florida State. [The Seminoles' offense is] more complex and a little bit harder to catch on and learn. This offense is very simple. I've done a great job with it," he said in the interview.

It's great that he's picking it up quickly, but I hope it's not too simple.

[Syderick]

Maybe they're making it simple for him to grasp, so they're not overwhelming him.

[Raptor]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

[Edward Robinson]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

Sometimes simple is better. From what I remember seeing and hearing the Bills 90 KGUN offense was simple.

[Homegrown]

Of course its easier .... FSU Offense > Orange Offense

[gonzo1105]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

He might be a bust but Florida States offense is far from a one read and go offense. Its probably one of the most complicated systems in college football. Its really a multiple read, deep crossing system with multiple protections. Stop listening to the talking heads cause most of the time they dont know what they are talking about. Florida State's skills players are not that great and their offensive line wasn't good at all this past year. Fisher runs a real NFL old school offensive set that puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback. He may have been a half read QB because the offensive line couldn't protect him and it was one two and go because he was going to get crushed. I'm a Florida State fan and after watching Fisher's offenses they are far far from simple.

[SpikedLemonade]

It's great that he's picking it up quickly, but I hope it's not too simple.

I hope this coaching staff is not completely demoralized when they are taught the harsh lesson that this is the NFL and not a 2nd rate college conference.

Another reason why I prefer that Kolb or Jackson get killed early in the season rather than Manuel.

I just hope the coaching staff can adjust as the season goes on.

[DraftBoy]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

FSU never ran a one read and go offense, in fact Fisher's offense has been called one of the most complicated of any NCAA program.

[swiper]

As long as Manuel doesn't get colored wrist bands like Mark Sanchez did.

[Night Train]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

I LOVE ZOLOFT ! That's how I'm reading this.

[Goobylal]

FSU never ran a one read and go offense, in fact Fisher's offense has been called one of the most complicated of any NCAA program.
Which begs the question: was it wise to run that without the proper talent or did the talent suffer because of the complexity?

[Jeff1220]

The FSU playbook should be more difficult to grasp for an 18 year old coming out of high school than an NFL offense should be for a 22 year old coming out of a university.

[DraftBoy]

Which begs the question: was it wise to run that without the proper talent or did the talent suffer because of the complexity?

Both, Fisher has had to scale back his playbook due to the players there but its still asking a lot of the QB and WR's in terms of defensive recognition, routes, and timing. Most offenses will use some kind of hand signal or check to make sure the QB and WR are on the same page and I never saw that at FSU.

[JoeMama]

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It's great that he's picking it up quickly, but I hope it's not too simple.

I promise you this is a good thing.

Jimbo Fisher gets too cute with it. He holds players back from reaching their true potential.

He's blessed with some of the finest, pro-level talent (FSU led the way with 11 draftees this season) yet all he does it squander it.

I believe Doug Marrone is a smarter man than Jimbo Fisher and I believe EJ Manuel deserves a fair shake under a coach that doesn't suffer from "smartest guy in the room" syndrome and buys into bull**** quackery when it comes to X's and O's.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

He could flop to be sure, but didn't Cam Newton have a similar knock against him? I mean didn't a lot of people say Newton was a total arse head who was so stupid he couldn't fart and chew gum at the same time? He's done well, at least statistically speaking, during his first two years. I'm not saying EJ is Newton, but I for one am happy that at least so far EJ feels confident that he has a grip on the offense. Its really the best way for a first year coach to do things really. Have a limited play selection, but be damn sure you run those few plays perfectly and without penalty or mistake. I still think this team is going to finish surprisingly well this year and think they wind up with somewhere between 4 and eight wins. Of course, I also don't really expect EJ to be seeing a lot of time this year.

[JoeMama]

I LOVE ZOLOFT ! That's how I'm reading this.

Man, you ever seen the list of side effects for that stuff?

weight gain
hair loss
inability to orgasm
digestive problems
sleep problems

I'd hate to see "constant negativity on a Bills forum" added to that list. It's bad enough already.

Just give me a clean death and be over with it if ZOLOFT ever represents a "solution" to life's problems. I'm not sure becoming a fat balding eunuch with a ****ting problem is better than whatever it is ZOLOFT treats.

[BertSquirtgum]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

Dur dur dur dur dur dur dur

[BertSquirtgum]

Which begs the question: was it wise to run that without the proper talent or did the talent suffer because of the complexity?

Ask Chan Gailey how his supposed 100+ page playbook worked out for him.

[JoeMama]

Ask Chan Gailey how his supposed 100+ page playbook worked out for him.

I think the funniest part about Chan Gailey's supposed "100+ page" playbook, is... WHAT'S THE POINT OF A 100 PAGE PLAYBOOK IF YOU OMIT YOUR BEST PLAYER???

CJ Spiller got like 12 carries a freaking game. That's like a director hiring Brad Pitt to do a movie then writing him out of every scene.

Chan Gailey... stand-up guy but so unbelievably frustrating. Perfect example of "smartest guy in the room" syndrome.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

I think the funniest part about Chan Gailey's supposed "100+ page" playbook, is... WHAT'S THE POINT OF A 100 PAGE PLAYBOOK IF YOU OMIT YOUR BEST PLAYER???

CJ Spiller got like 12 carries a freaking game. That's like a director hiring Brad Pitt to do a movie then writing him out of every scene.

Chan Gailey... stand-up guy but so unbelievably frustrating. Perfect example of "smartest guy in the room" syndrome.

Who are you kidding, lets call it what it really is. What Chan Gailey did was equivalent to a porn producer shooting a scene with Ron Jeremy and a porno queen (I don't watch lots of porno anymore so lets say Eva Angelina, is she still in the business? no matter any number of em work) and getting him to get her top off and convincing her to drop her panties then yelling cut. I mean it has the same effect. All that arousal and buildup and then no happy ending.

[better days]

I think the funniest part about Chan Gailey's supposed "100+ page" playbook, is... WHAT'S THE POINT OF A 100 PAGE PLAYBOOK IF YOU OMIT YOUR BEST PLAYER???

CJ Spiller got like 12 carries a freaking game. That's like a director hiring Brad Pitt to do a movie then writing him out of every scene.

Chan Gailey... stand-up guy but so unbelievably frustrating. Perfect example of "smartest guy in the room" syndrome.

When you are right, you are RIGHT!

[NOT THE DUDE...]

any playbook at hs/college/nfl should be no more than 25 passing plays, maybe 10 running plays. a 100 page playbook? wtf...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

in fact, you can even create a no huddle offense where the coverage will dictate the route, as there can only be 3 coverages in theory, cover 0, cover 2, cover 3... 20 minutes with your qb in the film room and you got an offense right there.... you could get by with like 5 plays, its that easy

[NOT THE DUDE...]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9291927/ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-system-easier-learn-florida-state-offense



It's great that he's picking it up quickly, but I hope it's not too simple.
rg3 for the skins had a very simple offense

[DraftBoy]

any playbook at hs/college/nfl should be no more than 25 passing plays, maybe 10 running plays. a 100 page playbook? wtf...

a 35 play playbook would take a NFL caliber DC about an hour of film work to figure out.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman
Op?

[Bunion]

Anybody else think that EJ dosen't believe a word he said? Anything we've seen about this guy so far that makes us think he's that dumb?

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Wow this thread went from EJ and the Playbook to Zoloft to Brad Pitt to Porn.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

in fact, you can even create a no huddle offense where the coverage will dictate the route, as there can only be 3 coverages in theory, cover 0, cover 2, cover 3... 20 minutes with your qb in the film room and you got an offense right there.... you could get by with like 5 plays, its that easy

LMAO

[Bunion]

Wow this thread went from EJ and the Playbook to Zoloft to Brad Pitt to Porn.

Welcome to the Internet! I'm suprised it took this long to get to porn

[Bill Cody]

Great, so he thought a one read and go offense at FSU was difficult and the Bills feel they had to dumb it down even more for him. Either that or he's not smart enough to know its more complicated

I havent felt more sure that a QB is going to be a bust since we drafted Losman

Losman came in the door with an arrogance that put off his teammates from day 1. He was a guy noone wanted to fight for and I believe he was not very smart. Manuel? Impressed the coaches and scouts at the combine with his intelligence, humble attitude and desire to learn. I don't think there is anything negative about him saying he's having no trouble learning our playbook, maybe FSU's offense is harder to learn, so what?
You're a really Debbie Downer. Have you listened to this kid do an interview? He's well spoken and polite. Does that mean he's going to succeed? Hell no but this guy has very little in common with JP Losman.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Wow this thread went from EJ and the Playbook to Zoloft to Brad Pitt to Porn.

As Bunion said. . . .


Welcome to the Internet! I'm suprised it took this long to get to porn

That being said, I'm just rather surprised it was me who came (no pun intended, but I'm still going to confession for that analogy) up with that comparison. :( :D

[Typ0]

I saw this yesterday and it was such welcomed news. I have been thinking of writing letters to the new coaching staff about this subject specifically. I am a bit flustered about the negative reaction to simplicity. Here is my thinking on the topic.

A lot of times people get into a position they want to immediately show everything they can do. When you are in a leadersip position this can be very overwhelming for the people who have to do the work. I think we have seen a lot of this in the coaches of our recent past. It's not that there can't be complexity but they need to start simple and then foster the growth towards more complexity after there has been success and mastery of the simple. What has been happening is our teams are starting out too complex and then having to take a step backwards after they realize they aren't executing well. This clearly is the team moving in the wrong direction.

By starting out with the simple the coaching staff will assure the team in moving in the direction they want them to go--provided they also apply some patience. I am gaining confidence in this coaching staff with these types of things. I can't think of a better indication that we finally have people who are actually going to work within the parameters of the talent we have than something like this. Yes, they are trying to acquire talent that can do the types of things they want to do ... but at the same time they are going to throw everything at them and expect them to perform they are going to layer and build this performance on the field through knowledge, practice and observation of concomitant success.

Glad I am getting some tickets to attend the opener this year. If Manual ends up starting and puts one in the win column against the patriots look out for the Bills this year. Learning success as a way of business is something that has driven this organization into the ground over the past 13 years. Nothing will effect this squad more than being comfortable in what they are doing and then having some success on the field...

[RedEyE]

100 pages? How many different ways can you draw up a screen play?

[Goobylal]

It's better to do things simply and well, rather than complexly and averagely or poorly.

[MoormanRules8]

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It's great that he's picking it up quickly, but I hope it's not too simple.

People are reading too much into this. They aren't rolling out every package and every bit of the offense this early into the process. It is easy because Hackett is giving it to them in chunks so they can all get up to speed. You give one building block, then when that becomes second nature, you hand them the second building block. This is how you develop a new offense with players who are not familiar with it.

Seattle used a watered down playbook for much of the begining of the season until Wilson had fully grasped those principles and then started to make it more complex. That is the same technique being used in Buffalo. Give them what they can absorb easily, get them moving in the offense until it seems easy and second nature, then add the next wrinkle. At this rate they will be able to install many basic sub packages and start to build during TC and Preseason. By the start of the season you will see a team with probably 65-70% of the offense installed no matter what QB is taking snaps. There just isn't enough time to install 100% of what these coaches want to do, so you strategically put it together piece by piece.

Hopefully by week 8 they will be mostly in full swing, but the progress of the offense will be gauged by how they play against other teams, not how they look in shorts.

[stuckincincy]

100 pages? How many different ways can you draw up a screen play?

:lol:

[NOT THE DUDE...]

LMAO:goodpost:

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:lol:

****in a

[better days]

It's better to do things simply and well, rather than complexly and averagely or poorly.

Sincerely: David Wannestedt

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

a 35 play playbook would take a NFL caliber DC about an hour of film work to figure out.

I'm assuming you're not including wann stache in this statement? lol

[NOT THE DUDE...]

the kgun no huddle only had like 5-6 plays...

[pmoon6]

the kgun no huddle only had like 5-6 plays...:rofl:

[NOT THE DUDE...]

:rofl:
:shoothead:

[SpikedLemonade]

a 35 play playbook would take a NFL caliber DC about an hour of film work to figure out.

I hope our Cuse Guys realize this.

[DraftBoy]

I'm assuming you're not including wann stache in this statement? lol

I did say NFL caliber DC.

[ublinkwescore]

EJ Manuel WILL NOT BE A BUST

[better days]

EJ Manuel WILL NOT BE A BUST

I posted right after the Senior Bowl that EJ was far & away the BEST QB in that game on either team. Everything I have seen or read since concerning him only reinforces how I felt about him after that game. EXCITED.

[Mahdi]

As long as Manuel doesn't get colored wrist bands like Mark Sanchez did.

I can live with colored wrist bands... no hair bands please.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

The whole thing just shows the IMMATURITY of EJ Manuel regardless how he displayed from time to time in front of the camera. Kolb has the exact words when asked about this question. His answer is that "details." I bet if EJ digs deep, he may find maybe it is not that simple. The problem is though, for a cocky young guy drafted in the 1st round a month ago, looks at a play, look at the diagram, ha I know this play, I ran it in college; so next page ...

Reminds me of a high school kid walking into the campus of CMU, fresh of a 2300 SAT score, cocky and thinks he knows everything.

[MikeInRoch]

As long as Manuel doesn't get colored wrist bands like Mark Sanchez did.

He can wear any wrist bands he wants, as long as he doesn't butt fumble.

[John Doe]

The whole thing just shows the IMMATURITY of EJ Manuel regardless how he displayed from time to time in front of the camera. Kolb has the exact words when asked about this question. His answer is that "details." I bet if EJ digs deep, he may find maybe it is not that simple. The problem is though, for a cocky young guy drafted in the 1st round a month ago, looks at a play, look at the diagram, ha I know this play, I ran it in college; so next page ...

Reminds me of a high school kid walking into the campus of CMU, fresh of a 2300 SAT score, cocky and thinks he knows everything.

He said it was easier to learn. He did not say that he had it mastered.

Here is what he said yesterday:


I still have a long way to go in this offense as far as picking things up, but I’m trying to learn it as fast as possible.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

never have such benign words been scrutinized this much, holy ****...wow

[Bill Cody]

The whole thing just shows the IMMATURITY of EJ Manuel regardless how he displayed from time to time in front of the camera. Kolb has the exact words when asked about this question. His answer is that "details." I bet if EJ digs deep, he may find maybe it is not that simple. The problem is though, for a cocky young guy drafted in the 1st round a month ago, looks at a play, look at the diagram, ha I know this play, I ran it in college; so next page ...

Reminds me of a high school kid walking into the campus of CMU, fresh of a 2300 SAT score, cocky and thinks he knows everything.

There's a difference between confident and cocky. I saw nothing in what he said that says he thinks he has everything all figured out. Give me a break.

[BidsJr]

Reminds me of a high school kid walking into the campus of CMU, fresh of a 2300 SAT score, cocky and thinks he knows everything.

That high school kid with the 2300 SAT score has already learned everything he needs in order to deal with any college campus.

[JoeMama]

That high school kid with the 2300 SAT score has already learned everything he needs in order to deal with any college campus.

**** I must be getting old.

Is that what SATs go up to now?

[justasportsfan]

He said it was easier to learn. He did not say that he had it mastered.

Here is what he said yesterday:

a case of taking things out of context.

[BidsJr]

**** I must be getting old.

Is that what SATs go up to now?

I'm with ya. I'm assuming that is what they go up to. I also am used to the old school 1600.

[trapezeus]

why does NTD post each thought he has separately? can we not use paragraphs like everyone else?

as for the thread, how many seasons have we been through? from post draft until week 1, it's all positive talk and good vibes. i just have my fingers crossed that manuel is brought through everything at a pace correct forhim. if they are going to work on his mechanics, i don't necessarily want him starting early. if they trust him that his form is fine and its a matter of getting comfortable with the starters, then i hope he's just given starter reps from the onset so that we can get through a potentially bad season with as much practice as he can get so 2014 can start out better.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

**** I must be getting old.

Is that what SATs go up to now?

Yeah, they added a scored written portion

[DraftBoy]

Yeah, they added a scored written portion

And yet most HS and college grads still can't write worth a crap, myself included.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

And yet most HS and college grads still can't write worth a crap, myself included.

No kidding. My wife is a TA during her grad school and she asks me to help grade sometimes.

Holy hell.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

And yet most HS and college grads still can't write worth a crap, myself included.

grammar is the most blown out of proportion aspect of academia imo. ( especially on a mb where the pretentious dicks really come out). you know you won an argument when someone insults you for using the possessive form of its instead of it's lol

[IlluminatusUIUC]

grammar is the most blown out of proportion aspect of academia imo. ( especially on a mb where the pretentious dicks really come out). you know you won an argument when someone insults you for using the possessive form of its instead of it's lol

Discussing grammar is typically the cheap way out of an internet argument, but it boggles the mind that people are so cavalier about writing skill.

This is not a face-to-face world. If you cannot convey your ideas in written form, you will never get anywhere.

[Goobylal]

Peepa no speaka da Engrigh so goodly.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Discussing grammar is typically the cheap way out of an internet argument, but it boggles the mind that people are so cavalier about writing skill.

This is not a face-to-face world. If you cannot convey your ideas in written form, you will never get anywhere.

oh I agree, there is a line where you literally cannot understand what someone is writing. im not talking about that though...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

I guess a better way of saying it is, grammar is the worst tool to use in order to measure someones intelligence

[pmoon6]

I guess a better way of saying it is, grammar is the worst tool to use in order to measure someones intelligenceSounds like an excuse for people that didn't bother to learn their native language.

[justasportsfan]

why does NTD post each thought he has separately?

Could he be MitchMurray? :scratch:

[Raptor]

lolol This thread is comical

Nevermind the fact that Fisher was never able to fully install his offense because of Manuel and had to simplify it for him to be more productive in it. Whach the game, he reads half the field and then bolts

Florida States defense was the main reason they won games and Manuels job was to F it up

I can already see the Losman like excuses being built in, the OL is not good enough, the WR are not good enough, the coaches dont know what they are doing, act... lol

[Goobylal]

lolol This thread is comical

Nevermind the fact that Fisher was never able to fully install his offense because of Manuel and had to simplify it for him to be more productive in it. Whach the game, he reads half the field and then bolts

Florida States defense was the main reason they won games and Manuels job was to F it up

I can already see the Losman like excuses being built in, the OL is not good enough, the WR are not good enough, the coaches dont know what they are doing, act... lol
The sooner you realize that FSU's problems start with Fisher, the better off you'll be.

[better days]

Sounds like an excuse for people that didn't bother to learn their native language.

For MANY people in this Country, ENGLISH is NOT their native language. Read the reviews on Amazon sometime. As for me, I NEVER buy anything worth any amount of money before reading reviews of the product on Amazon myself.

[Raptor]

The sooner you realize that FSU's problems start with Fisher, the better off you'll be.


Im im sorry who was FSU problem? ....Here's a hint, he's currently sporting a Bills Jersey with the number 3 on it

[WagonCircler]

oh I agree, there is a line where you literally cannot understand what someone is writing. im not talking about that though...

Yes you are. You just don't know it.

[BillsFever21]

The sooner you realize that FSU's problems start with Fisher, the better off you'll be.

Damn Fisher's team was horrible this season. They only have the largest average margin of victory this season then any FBS team ever. Not only do they have the highest but it's also by 9 points.