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Homegrown
06-08-2013, 08:48 AM
Article gave me a chuckle ....http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/9352332/david-shula-norv-turner-worst-coaches-nfl-history?src=mobile
Here are the 14 worst head coaches in NFL history. The yin to the Walsh-Noll-Landry yang.

David Shula -- Shula, Don Shula's son, is proof that sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree. So far that the apple can then also roll down a muddy hill, and then across a ditch and onto a road, where it is run over by a steamroller and a marching band, its splattered chunks rotting in the sun as they are picked at by vermin. That was David Shula's NFL coaching tenure. Hired by the Bengals at age 33 in 1992, he coached four and a half seasons and finished 19-52. This is the official pose (http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2008/09/02/2008153371.jpg) of his NFL coaching career. He is now a steakhouse executive (http://www.donshula.com/history/president-dave-shula).

Bert Bell -- Bert Bell had a 10-46-2 record as an NFL coach for five-plus seasons with the Eagles and Steelers and, at .179, has the worst winning percentage in NFL history for any head coach who lasted 50 games -- well ahead of (behind?) Shula's .268. However, following his failed coaching career, Bell became NFL commissioner and was later enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He can serve as a role model to other failed NFL head coaches. Perhaps one day we will see NFL commissioner Rex Ryan.

Romeo Crennel -- No list of terrible NFL head coaches would be complete without a mangled branch of Bill Belichick's diseased and poisonous coaching tree -- and because Charlie Weis has mercifully never been an NFL head coach, the honor goes to Crennel. After failing in Cleveland at 24-40 from 2005 to 2008, the Chiefs inconceivably gave Crennel another shot three years later and he went 4-15 and routinely delivered quotes such as this one following Kansas City's 2012 Week 2 loss: "I thought that we would be better, and we're not. So we have to try and figure out what that is. From what I've seen, if we do what we're supposed to do, then we would be better." Definitely. That's some good coaching insight. It's surprising Crennel didn't win more.

Cam Cameron -- This is a list of failed head coaches in the NFL, so we won't mention Cameron's 18-37 record as a college head coach with the Indiana Hoosiers from 1997 to 2001. Also, we won't mention the fact that the Baltimore Ravens instantly developed a Super Bowl-caliber offense upon jettisoning Cameron as an assistant coach late last season. We'll just mention the fact that Cameron went 1-15 as head coach of the Dolphins in 2007.

Rich Kotite -- In 1995, Jets owner Leon Hess fired head coach Pete Carroll and installed Rich Kotite as head coach and general manager. "This is my decision,'' Hess said at the news conference announcing the move. "At 80, I'm entitled to some enjoyment out of this team and that means winning. Rich Kotite in my opinion is one of those men who can make a winning team out of the Jets." What came next is another long chapter in depressing Jets history.

Phil Handler -- Handler coached 38 games between 1943 and 1951 and posted a 4-34 record. He opened his career 0-23. Hey, that means he finished 4-11. Huh. Maybe he was starting to get the hang of it at the end.

Hilariously named coaches -- If you wanted to lose in olden times NFL, there was no better way to do it than hire a man with an entertaining name. Here are coaches who finished their careers with records below .500: Shorty Barr, Dim Batterson, Bull Behman, Untz Brewer, Coonie Checkaye, Dutch Clark, Al Cornsweet, Luby DiMielo, Turk Edwards, Tex Grigg, Hinkey Haines, Pop Ivy, Homer Rice, Clipper Smith, Bulldog Turner, Hoge Workman.

Marty Mornhinweg -- Mornhinweg captained the Lions to a 5-27 record between 2001 and 2002. That's bad. This is really bad: Week 12 of the 2002 season against the rival Bears. Game goes into overtime. The Lions win the toss. Mornhinweg elects to kick the ball away. Detroit never gets the ball back because the Bears move the ball down the field and kick a game-winning field goal. Mornhinweged.

Rod Marinelli -- You go 0-and-the-entire-season with a non-expansion team, you make a list like this. Those are the rules. At least Marinelli delivered some great quotes during his 10-38, three-year term with the Lions, such as: "You're in this dark tunnel and you've got no way out, you're waiting for light, and you see that light, what do you do? What do you do? You start digging and getting out. … It's dark and I'm going to dig through. My shovel is sharp and my pick is sharp and my will is outstanding."

Pretty much every Bills coach -- Here we go:

Buster Ramsey (1960-61): 11-16-1
Joe Collier (1966-68): 13-16-1
Harvey Johnson (1968, 1971): 2-23-1
John Rauch (1969-70): 7-20-1
Jim Ringo (1976-77): 3-20
Kay Stephenson (1983-85): 10-26
Hank Bullough (1985-86): 4-17
Gregg Williams (2001-03): 17-31
Mike Mularkey (2004-05): 14-18
Dick Jauron (2006-09): 24-33
Chan Gailey (2010-12): 16-32

Best of luck, Doug Marrone!

Bobby Petrino -- Going 3-10 wouldn't be enough to make a list like this. But quitting midseason and informing your players by leaving notes in their lockers? Yeah. That does it. If only Petrino's Atlanta departure was the most embarrassing part of his coaching career.

Abe Gibron -- As head coach of the Bears from 1972 to 1974, Gibron posted an 11-30-1 record. He coached 24 seasons in the NFL in some capacity and his teams won a total of one playoff game. He did, however, look awesome in late-'70s Tampa casual attire. (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/abe-gibron.jpg)

Norv Turner -- With a .483 winning percentage over 237 games, the former Redskins, Raiders and Chargers head man coached more games than any other head coach in NFL history with a sub-.500 record. Turner's place here is a lifetime achievement award for miraculously maintaining employment for 15 years.

Faye Abbott -- Abbott coached the NFL's Dayton Triangles in 1933 and 1934 and has the distinction of coaching the most games in NFL history without a win. Over his 0-13 tenure, the Triangles scored 16 points and were shut out 11 times. Abbott is not generally regarded as an offensive mastermind. You know, like Norv Turner.

Jan Reimers
06-08-2013, 10:29 AM
Well, we DID have Saban, Knox, Philips and Levy.

ParanoidAndroid
06-08-2013, 10:35 AM
I would like to see the list for Detroit, Tampa, and New Orleans. I'd be willing to bet that it is worse.

ParanoidAndroid
06-08-2013, 10:56 AM
The Bills have also had more Coach of the Year wins than many of the more respected teams around the NFL.

theanswer74
06-08-2013, 12:42 PM
This was uncalled for, just picking on Buffalo again. Could have easily done that for half the NFL. But whatever, Im used to it and the Bills franchise does lose a lot.

ublinkwescore
06-08-2013, 01:54 PM
**** ESPN... I hope marrone calls these **********s out after hoisting a lombardi trophy for the first of 3 times.

SpikedLemonade
06-08-2013, 03:04 PM
They were all willing to work cheap.

pmoon6
06-08-2013, 03:24 PM
Harvey Johnson can't be counted. He was a ****** scout who filled in the interim. He only was coach for an entire season because Ralph backdoored Johnny Rauch who quit just before training camp. Rauch can't be counted either. He tried to make Simpson an all round back by having him catch passes and God forbid, block. Simpson refused which hampered his ability to coach in his style. Before he came to Buffalo he led Oakland to SB II and lost to the Jets in the AFL championship the next year.

But, you can't expect much from ESPN anymore, which is why I rarely watch them.

pmoon6
06-08-2013, 03:40 PM
I would like to see the list for Detroit, Tampa, and New Orleans. I'd be willing to bet that it is worse.You can also include every Steelers coach before Chuck Noll. I guess it's cool to rag on the Bills' AFL coaches, but don't say anything about one of ESPN's favored teams. They were only over .500 five times and made the playoffs once in 35 years.

Meathead
06-08-2013, 03:44 PM
hey if ralph backdoored you you would quit too

sudzy
06-08-2013, 05:46 PM
This was uncalled for, just picking on Buffalo again. Could have easily done that for half the NFL. But whatever, Im used to it and the Bills franchise does lose a lot.

Not completely uncalled for. In the history of the Bills they have had 1 Hall of fame coach, two very good coach and one OK coach. That's it. If you want to get people to stop "pick on you" you need to step up and prove yourself and the Bills haven't done given anyone any reason to stop in 15 years.

ParanoidAndroid
06-09-2013, 10:02 AM
Not completely uncalled for. In the history of the Bills they have had 1 Hall of fame coach, two very good coach and one OK coach. That's it. If you want to get people to stop "pick on you" you need to step up and prove yourself and the Bills haven't done given anyone any reason to stop in 15 years.

Just off the top of my head, the Jets have zero hall of fame coaches....and one NFL Coach of the Year.
The Bills have a Hall of Fame coach and won UPI coach of the year 5 times.

better days
06-09-2013, 01:40 PM
But, you can't expect much from ESPN anymore, which is why I rarely watch them.

The ONLY reason to watch ESPN anymore is Suzy Kolber. This post endorsed by Joe Namath.

ServoBillieves
06-09-2013, 02:40 PM
So legit question... why were only the bad coaches brought up and the successful ones left out? If I'm reading this list correctly then Marv Levy never coached the Bills.

Historian
06-10-2013, 12:59 PM
Quite frankly, this is the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet. (And that's saying a lot folks)
Buster Ramsey (1960-61): 11-16-1
Joe Collier (1966-68): 13-16-1
Harvey Johnson (1968, 1971): 2-23-1
John Rauch (1969-70): 7-20-1
Jim Ringo (1976-77): 3-20
Kay Stephenson (1983-85): 10-26
Hank Bullough (1985-86): 4-17
Gregg Williams (2001-03): 17-31
Mike Mularkey (2004-05): 14-18
Dick Jauron (2006-09): 24-33
Chan Gailey (2010-12): 16-32

Ramsey was essentially an expansion coach. Defensive mind who was given the big chair. Not very good, but not deserving of a "Kotite-type" list.

Collier was one game away from coaching in Super Bowl I.

Johnson...worst Bills HC of all time, but was a scout who was doing RW a favor by taking over. Had Ray Malavasi and Tom Flores on his staff...don't see those guys anywhere on this list, but I'll give you him anyways.

Rauch was a SB coach with Oakland, bad here. The OJ debacle, the public feuding with Maguire and McDole sealed his fate. I'll give you him.

Ringo was an O line coach who, again, was doing RW a favor. Filled in until we hired Knox.

Stevenson was actually the HC that drafted Jim Kelly, people forget that. They also forget he won in the Orange Bowl in 1983 for the first time since 1966. He was 8-8 his first year, until the USFL raided teams.

Bullough and Williams were both flat-out morons, but only Bullough deserves to be on the list.

Mularkey-Jauron-Gailey each were not successful here, but none deserve to be mentioned with the Kotites and the McKays. What about Jauron's 7-9 trifecta???

My worst list would have names on it like:

Bruce Coslett
Rich Kotite
Frank Ganz
Lou Holtz
Marion Campbell
Dan Henning
Mike McCormick
Frank Kush
Ron Meyer
Don MacPhereson
Bill Pederson
Rick Venturi
Leeman Bennett
Bart Starr
Dennis Erickson

Guys who were proven losers wherever they coached.

Typ0
06-10-2013, 01:43 PM
Wilson is a master at finding a diamond in the rough because he is a master at always hiring from the rough...

OpIv37
06-10-2013, 01:58 PM
Don't shoot the messenger.

Is it a bit of a cheap shot? Yes. But let's face it: there wouldn't be an opportunity for the cheap shot if the team was even halfway decent. Blame Ralph for his terrible GM and coach hires, not ESPN for making a crack about it.

better days
06-10-2013, 05:10 PM
Don't shoot the messenger.

Is it a bit of a cheap shot? Yes. But let's face it: there wouldn't be an opportunity for the cheap shot if the team was even halfway decent. Blame Ralph for his terrible GM and coach hires, not ESPN for making a crack about it.

WHY can't we blame BOTH?

gebobs
06-10-2013, 10:13 PM
Harvey Johnson can't be counted. Rauch can't be counted either.
The crypt keeper hired them, didn't he? They count. Like those big ol' black eyes you got getting in fights after drinking a fifth of Jaymo, they count. Can you imagine? Wilson offered up the Bills as sacrificial lambs for how many seasons because he didn't see, still doesn't see, how important a quality coach is.

But let's not take this too personally. This guy is a joker. Check this out. LOL

A Conversation with DJ Gallo (http://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/a-conversation-with-dj-gallo/Content?oid=1339289)

Other than Ray Lewis hunting you down, what is your greatest fear?
Snakes. And also Ray Lewis stabbing me with a snake.

Other than being born an Atlanta Hawks fan, what do you regard as the lowest depth of misery?
Being born an Atlanta Hawks and an Atlanta Falcons fan.

What is the greatest sports mecca?
Fenway Park. I enjoy observing douchebaggery in its natural habitat.

gebobs
06-10-2013, 10:21 PM
So legit question... why were only the bad coaches brought up and the successful ones left out? If I'm reading this list correctly then Marv Levy never coached the Bills.
I think I saw Levy on his list of most overrated coaches. Let the indignation roll!

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Just off the top of my head, the Jets have zero hall of fame coaches....and one NFL Coach of the Year.
The Bills have a Hall of Fame coach and won UPI coach of the year 5 times.

And thankfully, UPI shut down in 1997 after the last of them.

Mike
06-10-2013, 11:36 PM
Some of you guys are so Sensitive... You should just turn in your man card or try turning your brain ON.

No one is purposely picking on the Bills. The fact is that the Bills have been a very poorly run organization for most of their history and as a direct result this will be reflected in most articles comparing teams in just about any category. It's not personal!

If you wrote an article about the worst teams in the 21st Century, the Bills would justly be mentioned.

trapezeus
06-11-2013, 08:08 AM
its a cheap shot, but the bills have had 13 years of miserable seasons and 4 coaches. it's a little fresher than NO who has been good the last 5-7 years and won a superbowl.

The bills have to win to stop getting on these lists. otherwise, when you think losses and bad teams, Bills and Lions come to mind first and the lions have more exciting players and play more exciting football than the bills.

better days
06-11-2013, 08:58 AM
Some of you guys are so Sensitive... You should just turn in your man card or try turning your brain ON.

No one is purposely picking on the Bills. The fact is that the Bills have been a very poorly run organization for most of their history and as a direct result this will be reflected in most articles comparing teams in just about any category. It's not personal!

If you wrote an article about the worst teams in the 21st Century, the Bills would justly be mentioned.


This is BS. It was just a cheap shot joke. You can go back & look at Pats* HC's or Jets HC's or Packers HC's etc. EVERY team in the NFL has had BAD HCs in their history.

gebobs
06-11-2013, 10:09 AM
This is BS. It was just a cheap shot joke. You can go back & look at Pats* HC's or Jets HC's or Packers HC's etc. EVERY team in the NFL has had BAD HCs in their history.
It's all about present perception.

The Patriots had a few decent seasons under Chuck Fairbanks and Raymond Berry, but for most of their history they were the known as the "Patsies" and for good reason. But 13 seasons under BB with and 12 of those with 10+ wins, no one remembers or cares.

After Lombardi stepped down, the Packers were full of fail: Dan Devine, Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg, and Lindy Infante. But tenures of Holmgren and Sherman bookending a mediocre 0.500 year with Ray Rhodes and all that is ancient history.

But for the Bills, it's more than ancient history. It's franchise history. Most glaringly, it's 12 years of utter failure under 4 different coaches (not counting Fewell as interim). Sure it's a cheap shot. Unfortunately, with that kind of record, we're going to get lots of them lobbed at us.

Albany,n.y.
06-11-2013, 10:32 AM
Just off the top of my head, the Jets have zero hall of fame coaches....and one NFL Coach of the Year.
The Bills have a Hall of Fame coach and won UPI coach of the year 5 times.
Weeb Ewbank is in the Hall of Fame-he coached the Jets to the Super Bowl III championship.

gebobs
06-11-2013, 10:54 AM
Weeb Ewbank is in the Hall of Fame-he coached the Jets to the Super Bowl III championship.
And I suppose Parcells will be there too though primarily as the Giant's coach.

Aside from '68, the Jets have been just as mediocre as the Bills. Again, it's all about present perception. As bad as the Jets have been since they were the Titans, they have had some recent success. Four 10+ win seasons, 6 playoff appearances, and only 3 losing seasons since the Bills last made the playoffs.