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BLeonard

06-10-2013, 06:29 PM

Damn B, I just got the text and you still beat me to it. I respek yo gangsta

For whatever reason, I seem to get V-Texts about minute or so before everyone else does... Odd, considering most people that I live in Indiana and I assume most who get the V-texts live closer...

I just checked my phone and I actually got the text before it hit the Bills webpage... Again, I dunno how it works, but it's happened a lot lately, where I get the info just a bit before others do...

-Bill

Generalissimus Gibby

06-10-2013, 06:31 PM

Oh no, say it ain't so, not our beloved third string half back! Who is going to prevent CJ Spiller from wearing out by playing in the red zone now?

The Jokeman

06-10-2013, 06:31 PM

I wonder if the Bills are going to go after a FB since two names might be available in Evan Rodriguez (former Bear) or Vonta Leach (expected to be cut by the Ravens)?

BLeonard

06-10-2013, 06:33 PM

Oh no, say it ain't so, not our beloved third string half back! Who is going to prevent CJ Spiller from wearing out by playing in the red zone now?

OK, what? Tashard Choice is the 3rd string RB... He wasn't released... Tavaris Jackson, who was released, didn't play a snap for the Bills.

-Bill

mayotm

06-10-2013, 06:39 PM

Oh no, say it ain't so, not our beloved third string half back! Who is going to prevent CJ Spiller from wearing out by playing in the red zone now?What are you talking about???

Generalissimus Gibby

06-10-2013, 06:40 PM

OK, what? Tashard Choice is the 3rd string RB... He wasn't released... Tavaris Jackson, who was released, didn't play a snap for the Bills.

-Bill

What are you talking about???

**** my life, I thought this said Tashard Choice.

The bad news: I think I need a new glasses perscription

The good news: I am now qualified to be an NFL referee.

Joe Fo Sho

06-10-2013, 07:03 PM

Of course the Bills wait until Tebow is unavailable before opening up a QB roster spot..

GvilleBills

06-10-2013, 07:12 PM

Of course the Bills wait until Tebow is unavailable before opening up a QB roster spot..

This was a nice chuckle, thank you.

bosshogg21

06-10-2013, 07:15 PM

Just means they're gonna keep brad smith as the 3rd qb and wr/special teams option. Tuel goes to practice squad in my opinion.

NOT THE DUDE...

06-10-2013, 07:24 PM

Just means they're gonna keep brad smith as the 3rd qb and wr/special teams option. Tuel goes to practice squad in my opinion.

yep. it makes the most sense for that new 46 rule. same for tebow

Generalissimus Gibby

06-10-2013, 07:39 PM

Just means they're gonna keep brad smith as the 3rd qb and wr/special teams option. Tuel goes to practice squad in my opinion.

Nope, Smith just should not stay at all. Sure as you --and NTD -- have stated he can be a 3rd qb, wr and st option. However, he sucks as a qb, stinks as a WR, and has no talent on special teams. I see him as getting cut sometime in camp.

Meathead

06-10-2013, 07:42 PM

Again, I dunno how it works, but it's happened a lot lately, where I get the info just a bit before others do...

now how can we make money with that

NOT THE DUDE...

06-10-2013, 07:50 PM

Nope, Smith just should not stay at all. Sure as you --and captain dumbass aka NTD -- have stated he can be a 3rd qb, wr and st option. However, he sucks as a qb, stinks as a WR, and has no talent on special teams. I see him as getting cut sometime in camp.

hes a decent EMERGENCY QB, solid number 4 wr, explosive kick returner and running back.... he can play db too. hes staying man, he allows you to keep another guy on the 53. get over it. if you cut smith, not only do you need to replace that spot, but also all that versatility and speed. ( on the active roster)

by keeping smith active, and tuel inactive, you can develop tuel and keep another skill position when you wouldn't otherwise be able to, now do you get it?

Mace

06-10-2013, 08:02 PM

I'm astonished we'd let someone of his caliber go. Darn. Bye.

Ginger Vitis

06-10-2013, 08:18 PM

he can play db too.

Now Im convinced you're trolling..You can't be serious

Mace

06-10-2013, 08:50 PM

Now Im convinced you're trolling..You can't be serious

Honestly it was awesome though.

TigerJ

06-10-2013, 09:53 PM

**** my life, I thought this said Tashard Choice.

The bad news: I think I need a new glasses perscription

The good news: I am now qualified to be an NFL referee.Nice recovery.

gebobs

06-10-2013, 09:54 PM

hes a decent EMERGENCY QB
If by emergency, you mean disaster. What are his numbers? 0-2 with 2 picks.

solid number 4 wr
If Smith is your #4 WR, surely you have problems.

explosive kick returner and running back
I bet he could sell buggy whips to Ralph too.

Smith blows. Calling him a "jack of all trades" is hyperbole. Realizing he's "master of none" is understatement. All that for just $3M per year! Super Bowl!

The Bills got played when they picked his sorry ass up.

k-oneputt

06-10-2013, 10:06 PM

I swear some of you here don't know your ass from your elbow or a football from a hockey puck. Everyone should have seen that coming two days following the draft. Of course some of the local experts around here actually claimed T. Jax. was actually ahead of Kolb or was going to be the #3. I thought he might make it to the start of the actual training camp. Guess not. LOL.

NOT THE DUDE...

06-10-2013, 10:14 PM

If by emergency, you mean disaster. What are his numbers? 0-2 with 2 picks.

If Smith is your #4 WR, surely you have problems.

I bet he could sell buggy whips to Ralph too.

Smith blows. Calling him a "jack of all trades" is hyperbole. Realizing he's "master of none" is understatement. All that for just $3M per year! Super Bowl!

The Bills got played when they picked his sorry ass up.tell rex ryan that, as he was a major reason they got the the afc championship game with his running and return ability

most 4 or 5 wrs are ok wrs with special teams ability. again, you are simply showing your ignorance of how a 53 man roster is set up. the 5th wr on gameday that is active is always a special teamer/gunner/returner. like tasker you.....

Crisis

06-10-2013, 10:24 PM

How much was he making?

I'd like to apply to be his replacement. I can spend an entire season on the bench studying a playbook that'll be obsolete next year and collect my paychecks.

I won't even cost any draft picks.

Generalissimus Gibby

06-10-2013, 10:33 PM

tell rex ryan that, as he was a major reason they got the the afc championship game with his running and return ability

Strange, I thought it was his Defense.

OpIv37

06-10-2013, 11:21 PM

Great use of a draft pick there-trade it for a guy who gets cut after a year without even dressing for a game. In other news, Brad Smith renewed the lease on his Buffalo-area condo.....

jimmifli

06-10-2013, 11:37 PM

I wonder what kind of riff existed between Buddy and Chan? They clearly weren't on the same page. How Chan got axed while Buddy survived (temporarily) is still beyond me.

Anyways, Tjax seemed like a waste of cap space. Now lets see Brad Smith follow him out the door.

jimmifli

06-10-2013, 11:39 PM

strangest Bills career ever...

easiest money ever

Best Jersey Ever.

IlluminatusUIUC

06-10-2013, 11:54 PM

If by emergency, you mean disaster. What are his numbers? 0-2 with 2 picks.

Yeah, what NTD keeps missing is that Smith at qb IS the emergency, not the solution to it.

Night Train

06-11-2013, 04:36 AM

So the most important thing in this thread is who receives a v-text from the Bills fastest and who can post it first. :rofl:

What time is recess ?

swiper

06-11-2013, 04:43 AM

Of course the Bills wait until Tebow is unavailable before opening up a QB roster spot..

I immediately wondered how much, if anything, that Tebow signing had to do with the timing of the release.

swiper

06-11-2013, 04:45 AM

X-Era

06-11-2013, 05:50 AM

The move makes sense. I think we could see that they wouldn't keep Kolb and T-Jax when one or both will sit the bench.

The timing is a bit odd. He probably had a roster bonus if he makes the team to start the season so why not let him battle in training camp.

This situation could be building towards EJ starting. TJax gone increases his rep's. Yet Jackson would have been a more viable option than EJ at this point. It seems less like they want competition at the position and that the best guy will win the job and more like they want to increase the development of Manuel.

Johnny Bugmenot

06-11-2013, 06:03 AM

gebobs

06-11-2013, 06:12 AM

tell rex ryan that, as he was a major reason they got the the afc championship game with his running and return ability
A major reason? MAJOR?

But forget about ancient history. 2009 was half a career ago. What exactly has this chump done to earn his salary. Largely nothing. And can we expect more? Nah. He'll turn 30 by the end of the season. His career is over for all intents and purposes.

Not to mention, there was this thing about a little rule change in the NFL that was put in place well before the Bills acquired BS (pun wholly intended). You may recall. Teams kickoff from the 35-yard-line now basically relegating kick return specialists to the ash heap of NFL history along with drop kickers thus reducing Smith's value to that of deep depth receiver.

All that for $3M per year. Correction. $3.75M per year. Way to go Bills! You sure stole one from Buddy!

gebobs

06-11-2013, 06:14 AM

A major reason? MAJOR?

But forget about ancient history. 2009 was half a career ago. What exactly has this chump done to earn his salary. Largely nothing. And can we expect more? Nah. He'll turn 30 by the end of the season. His career is over for all intents and purposes.

Not to mention, there was this thing about a little rule change in the NFL that was put in place well before the Bills acquired BS (pun wholly intended). You may recall. Teams kickoff from the 35-yard-line now basically relegating kick return specialists to the ash heap of NFL history along with drop kickers thus reducing Smith's value to that of deep depth receiver.

All that for $3M per year. Correction. $3.75M per year. Way to go Bills! You sure stole one from Buddy!

most 4 or 5 wrs are ok wrs with special teams ability. again, you are simply showing your ignorance of how a 53 man roster is set up. the 5th wr on gameday that is active is always a special teamer/gunner/returner. like tasker you.....
Oh give me a break. Tasker had more ability in his left testicle than Brad Smith has all together. Smith has no ST value. No QB value. As a receiver, he's got to be like 7th on the depth chart. If not, we are truly screwed.

X-Era

06-11-2013, 06:23 AM

So let me get this straight.
The Bills signed Vince Young last year.
Young performs the best of the quarterbacks on the roster during the preseason.
Young nonetheless still gets cut. (Because of a glut of second-tier QBs, he's still unemployed.)
The Bills then give up a draft pick to trade for Tarvaris Jackson.
The Bills never actually use Tarvaris Jackson.
Tarvaris Jackson gets cut.

Talk about a total waste. Of course, that's par for the course in Buffalo.
Or they made efforts to give possible starters a try.

In your assessment the only outcome you would have seemed to have been happy with is if the first guy we tried ended up taking us to the playoffs or beyond... I wish it were that straight forward.

NOT THE DUDE...

06-11-2013, 07:45 AM

Oh give me a break. Tasker had more ability in his left testicle than Brad Smith has all together. Smith has no ST value. No QB value. As a receiver, he's got to be like 7th on the depth chart. If not, we are truly screwed.

did I say he was as good as tasker, no... reading comprehension man... I said that 4 or 5 spot is for those types, like ruvell martin,tasker, kevin Williams, etc. life is easier when you grow up................

k-oneputt

06-11-2013, 07:49 AM

Another hindsight expert calling "I told you all so." Don't need to be an expert, common sense. The Bills laid it all out for everyone with the Kolb signing, Manuel rd.1, and Tuel a top free agent college qb. Now who do YOU THINK was gonna kick the can down the road ?????

trapezeus

06-11-2013, 07:59 AM

i kind of knew this was what was going to happen and i said it at the time. you implement a new system and have the guy least likely to be your starter take the starter reps. then when you think the guy who is the starter has more info and feels more comfortable you cut the other guy.

within the time we are in right now from Marrone's perspective, great move.

From a timeframe of the last 1 from trading for Tjax, never letting him play when the team was falling apart, you release your starting qb anyway, pick up an injury prone qb who has had a mediocre showing, pick up a possible project qb in draft, and then fire this guy after resigning him is just odd. And this isn't an isolated case. this is par for the course and a nother sign that russ brandon's time frame really just screws the ability of coaches and players to get the job done. Marrone effectively has cleaned up the mistakes made by someone else.

while i don't think tjax was going tobeat out kolb, i have no doubt in my mind that kolb will be injured by week 4. and i would prefer to waste the season with a QB that i don't care gets ruined and won't win games as the OL gels together. i don't want ej thrown in early during his learning process. we took him in the first round. we have 5 years with him, vs 4. That should make a difference

gebobs

06-11-2013, 08:01 AM

did I say he was as good as tasker, no... reading comprehension man...
You're comparing the two.

I said that 4 or 5 spot is for those types, like ruvell martin,tasker, kevin Williams, etc.
And I'm telling you that Brad Smith is not as versatile as you think. What roles will he fill? He can't throw. His return ability, even if he has any left (that's a young man's game), is largely irrelevant in today's game. So basically he's reduced to being a low depth chart receiver. Very low.

$3.75M.

Three years now people have been saying what a great, versatile player he is. What has he shown? Little or nothing.

trapezeus

06-11-2013, 08:04 AM

You're comparing the two.

And I'm telling you that Brad Smith is not as versatile as you think. What roles will he fill? He can't throw. His return ability, even if he has any left (that's a young man's game), is largely irrelevant in today's game. So basically he's reduced to being a low depth chart receiver. Very low.

$3.75M.

Three years now people have been saying what a great, versatile player he is. What has he shown? Little or nothing.

he can't throw? he almost threw the game away in Phoenix last year. that was the prettiest pass to a DB made last year. You are being too harsh on B. Smith

DynaPaul

06-11-2013, 08:04 AM

Poor Tjax. He's like the Rodney Dangerfield of quarterbacks.

NOT THE DUDE...

06-11-2013, 08:11 AM

You're comparing the two.

And I'm telling you that Brad Smith is not as versatile as you think. What roles will he fill? He can't throw. His return ability, even if he has any left (that's a young man's game), is largely irrelevant in today's game. So basically he's reduced to being a low depth chart receiver. Very low.

$3.75M.

Three years now people have been saying what a great, versatile player he is. What has he shown? Little or nothing. their position, not talent level... really? he had a 100 yrd return last year showing great breakaway speed and averaged 27 yds a kick return... he has also been explosive as a rare rb

NOT THE DUDE...

06-11-2013, 08:14 AM

cutting brad smith is beyond dumb, its ****ing idiotic.

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he can't throw? he almost threw the game away in Phoenix last year. that was the prettiest pass to a DB made last year. You are being too harsh on B. Smith

because that's not his main position... lol

GvilleBills

06-11-2013, 08:37 AM

Keeping Kolb over TJax means EJ very likely enters due to injury, not because he's ready. Jackson, at the very least, is tough enough to stay back there until EJ takes the job from him. He's similar to EJ physically, so the offense would be more in line with the O you presumably want to run in the future. Seamless transition, IMO.

Bill Cody

06-11-2013, 09:06 AM

hes a decent EMERGENCY QB, solid number 4 wr, explosive kick returner and running back.... he can play db too. hes staying man, he allows you to keep another guy on the 53. get over it. if you cut smith, not only do you need to replace that spot, but also all that versatility and speed. ( on the active roster)

by keeping smith active, and tuel inactive, you can develop tuel and keep another skill position when you wouldn't otherwise be able to, now do you get it?

no

Bill Cody

06-11-2013, 09:09 AM

So let me get this straight.
The Bills signed Vince Young last year.
Young performs the best of the quarterbacks on the roster during the preseason.
Young nonetheless still gets cut. (Because of a glut of second-tier QBs, he's still unemployed.)
The Bills then give up a draft pick to trade for Tarvaris Jackson.
The Bills never actually use Tarvaris Jackson.
Tarvaris Jackson gets cut.

Talk about a total waste. Of course, that's par for the course in Buffalo.

Yeah noone ever cuts a player without using them. Only happens here.

BuffaloWingEater

06-11-2013, 09:13 AM

wait tjx won't get paid to be on the sidelines holding a playbook, wearing a bills hat backwards, and in work out clothes? he must be bummed.

feldspar

06-11-2013, 09:39 AM

I wonder if the Jets are interested in him...

gebobs

06-11-2013, 10:38 AM

their position, not talent level... really?
Oh, talent isn't relevant. OK.

he had a 100 yrd return last year showing great breakaway speed and averaged 27 yds a kick return
Technically, it was an 89-yard return, but who's counting? McLovin and Rogers averaged the same or better last year. In '11, Rogers averaged 28 compared to 18 for Smith.

Regardless, as I've said repeatedly, the rule change has diminished the relevance of kick returns. Since the rule change, the Bills average just 40 returns per year. Prior to then, they averaged around 65-70. The rule change came along and the Jets wisely considered Smith to be an anachronism.

... he has also been explosive as a rare rb
"Explosive"? Exaggerate much? He had one run of 35 yards last year in that 35-3 blowout at San Francisco. In '11, his long was 18 yards. His "explosive" days are behind him.

So let's recap Brad Smith's career with the Bills. 203 yards rushing, 392 yards receiving, 778 return yards, 0 passing yards. That comes to about 40 total yards per game, a paltry number for a someone who returns kicks. He's had 6 TDs which is nice, but KcKelvin has 3 over the same period and he doesn't play offense.

Oh...and 2 interceptions in 2 attempts. $3.75M. Not very good return.

Generalissimus Gibby

06-11-2013, 11:24 AM

Oh, talent isn't relevant. OK.

Technically, it was an 89-yard return, but who's counting? McLovin and Rogers averaged the same or better last year. In '11, Rogers averaged 28 compared to 18 for Smith.

Regardless, as I've said repeatedly, the rule change has diminished the relevance of kick returns. Since the rule change, the Bills average just 40 returns per year. Prior to then, they averaged around 65-70. The rule change came along and the Jets wisely considered Smith to be an anachronism.

"Explosive"? Exaggerate much? He had one run of 35 yards last year in that 35-3 blowout at San Francisco. In '11, his long was 18 yards. His "explosive" days are behind him.

So let's recap Brad Smith's career with the Bills. 203 yards rushing, 392 yards receiving, 778 return yards, 0 passing yards. That comes to about 40 total yards per game, a paltry number for a someone who returns kicks. He's had 6 TDs which is nice, but KcKelvin has 3 over the same period and he doesn't play offense.

Oh...and 2 interceptions in 2 attempts. $3.75M. Not very good return.

It was 45-3 Gebobers, and to answer NTD's things about how it would be a mistake to cut Brad Smith all I can say about BS being explosive is that there are a lot of things that are explosive (diarrhea, the national debt, and bloated corpses) but that doesn't mean you want them.

NOT THE DUDE...

06-11-2013, 11:29 AM

Oh, talent isn't relevant. OK.

Technically, it was an 89-yard return, but who's counting? McLovin and Rogers averaged the same or better last year. In '11, Rogers averaged 28 compared to 18 for Smith.

Regardless, as I've said repeatedly, the rule change has diminished the relevance of kick returns. Since the rule change, the Bills average just 40 returns per year. Prior to then, they averaged around 65-70. The rule change came along and the Jets wisely considered Smith to be an anachronism.

"Explosive"? Exaggerate much? He had one run of 35 yards last year in that 35-3 blowout at San Francisco. In '11, his long was 18 yards. His "explosive" days are behind him.

So let's recap Brad Smith's career with the Bills. 203 yards rushing, 392 yards receiving, 778 return yards, 0 passing yards. That comes to about 40 total yards per game, a paltry number for a someone who returns kicks. He's had 6 TDs which is nice, but KcKelvin has 3 over the same period and he doesn't play offense.

Oh...and 2 interceptions in 2 attempts. $3.75M. Not very good return.

YPC? and what 5th/6th wr is better and more versatile than smith... your not making sense when you want to cut a good explosive player

you do understand roster depth chart and how a 53 is put together is different than saying bs is better than tasker. are you really this dense? its the same premise that many 3rd string te's are only receiving or blocking options, doesn't mean they are as good as kyle brady or Shannon sharpe... omg

Generalissimus Gibby

06-11-2013, 11:46 AM

you do understand roster depth chart and how a 53 is put together is different than saying bs is better than tasker. are you really this dense? its the same premise that many 3rd string te's are only receiving or blocking options, doesn't mean they are as good as kyle brady or Shannon sharpe... omg

Another thing about roster depth is you don't want dead weight and that is what BS is. You only want players that will contribute if called upon. BS has proved repeatedly that he can't.

IlluminatusUIUC

06-11-2013, 12:08 PM

It was 45-3 Gebobers, and to answer NTD's things about how it would be a mistake to cut Brad Smith all I can say about BS being explosive is that there are a lot of things that are explosive (diarrhea, the national debt, and bloated corpses) but that doesn't mean you want them.

I lol'd

YPC? and what 5th/6th wr is better and more versatile than smith... your not making sense when you want to cut a good explosive player

Better? A whole damned lot of #5 wideouts are better, and you're still not able to justify why the #5 wideout should be the 9th highest-paid guy on the team.

Again, if Smith was making 750k, I'd be onboard with him for his supposed versatility. But he makes 5 times that much.

gebobs

06-11-2013, 12:17 PM

you do understand roster depth chart vs talent. right?
You keep saying that and I keep telling you he's barely relevant as regards the depth chart. Kick returns? Totally irrelevant. Quarterback. Utterly irrelevant. Wideout or running back? He's way down on the depth chart and falling fast (especially at receiver).

But let's just for a minute consider his value as RB/WR on the team. He's filling the position as an "emergency" reserve for both spots (to use a term you prefer). Now suppose for some reason, the Bills get into an injury bind. What can they do? There are a lot of options. You can bring a guy up from the practice squad who should be equally familiar with the playbook or you can sign any of the hundreds of free agents. Not ideal, but this is an emergency, right?

Sure it's nice to have someone who knows the playbook on the bench when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter, but honestly how often does that happen? Has Brad Smith ever come into the game as a replacement and had any significant impact on the outcome?

Look, I'm all for having Brad Smith on the team, but his value to the team is marginal and his abilities are way overrated by some (you included). He was brought in by Nix/Gailey in what can only be seen as wild throw of the dice and an act of desperation. He's a return man in a league that doesn't value the position like it did. On offense, he's a gimmick and largely limited to the wildcat, a favorite of offensive "genius" Gailey. As a reserve, he should get reserve pay, not starter pay. He's making as much as Darren Sproles for the love of Jove.

Of course, it's not my money and I guess I don't really care about it other than it underscores how badly Nix/Gailey screwed the pooch on that move and how much they overestimated what his impact would be.