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kishoph
07-23-2013, 03:04 PM
I just got the text that the Bills have released Mark Anderson.

MidnightVoice
07-23-2013, 03:04 PM
Via my phone:

The Bills have released DE Mark Anderson and Placed OT Chris Hairston on the Active/PUP list

Tatonka
07-23-2013, 03:04 PM
and put hairston on pup

NOT THE DUDE...
07-23-2013, 03:07 PM
WOH... wow, that tells me his knee is a bigger issue/and hughes blatnick have been very very impressive

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and put hairston on pup
active pup. is that basically like being limited for the 1st few weeks?

IlluminatusUIUC
07-23-2013, 03:10 PM
WOH... wow, that tells me his knee is a bigger issue/and hughes blatnick have been very very impressive

It tells me that he must have really sucked, because we are eating more in dead cap to release him then it would have cost to keep.

MidnightVoice
07-23-2013, 03:12 PM
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/219705-Anderson-and-Hairston-moves

:D

NOT THE DUDE...
07-23-2013, 03:12 PM
It tells me that he must have really sucked, because we are eating more in dead cap to release him then it would have cost to keep.

that, or hughes blatnick are just as good rushing the passer in otas... the byrd situation and hughes made him expendable. hughes was especially lighting it up though

IlluminatusUIUC
07-23-2013, 03:14 PM
that, or hughes blatnick are just as good rushing the passer in otas... the byrd situation and hughes made him expendable. hughes was especially lighting it up though

The quality of his replacements is irrelevant. If someone took his job then he'd be quality depth or a 3rd down specialist. But this year he stood to make $4 Million. By cutting him, he counts for $4.5 million. We ate a penalty to make him go away.

better days
07-23-2013, 03:14 PM
WOH... wow, that tells me his knee is a bigger issue/and hughes blatnick have been very very impressive

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active pup. is that basically like being limited for the 1st few weeks?

In preseason, a player can be taken off pup at any time.

NOT THE DUDE...
07-23-2013, 03:18 PM
The quality of his replacements is irrelevant. If someone took his job then he'd be quality depth or a 3rd down specialist. But this year he stood to make $4 Million. By cutting him, he counts for $4.5 million. We ate a penalty to make him go away.

either way, they wouldn't have cut him if he was better than hughes, and cleary hes not. im telling you, outside the qb spot, he will be the biggest addition.

Dr. Lecter
07-23-2013, 03:20 PM
either way, they wouldn't have cut him if he was better than hughes, and cleary hes not. im telling you, outside the qb spot, he will be the biggest addition.


Wait a second - I thought Rodgers was the biggest addition?

NOT THE DUDE...
07-23-2013, 03:22 PM
Wait a second - I thought Rodgers was the biggest addition?

lol, you got me there. but seriously, im excited about hughes. sometimes it takes pass rushers a couple years ( especially edge guys) and then they take off

Bert102176
07-23-2013, 03:22 PM
I was saying as soon as the season ended that they needed to cut his worthless arse.

NOT THE DUDE...
07-23-2013, 03:24 PM
someone will pick him up.

GingerP
07-23-2013, 03:26 PM
It tells me that he must have really sucked, because we are eating more in dead cap to release him then it would have cost to keep.

The dead money is spread over 2 years, though. He has $1.5M in bonus allocation and $500K in guaranteed salary so they have $2M in dead money this year. His old cap number was $4M so they saved some room in 2013. He will count another $3M in dead money next year, though.

Jan Reimers
07-23-2013, 03:30 PM
It's not just Hughes and Blatnick, but also Manny Lawson that makes Anderson expendable.

IlluminatusUIUC
07-23-2013, 03:35 PM
The dead money is spread over 2 years, though. He has $1.5M in bonus allocation and $500K in guaranteed salary so they have $2M in dead money this year. His old cap number was $4M so they saved some room in 2013. He will count another $3M in dead money next year, though.

So? By cutting him we have another 2 million in cap room to add to our 18 million in cap room. There's no one to sign with that. And if we cut him next year, we'd have the exact same $3 million hit.

GvilleBills
07-23-2013, 03:36 PM
Oh well, we'll always have that pressure on Sanchez in game one last year to remember him fondly.

BertSquirtgum
07-23-2013, 03:37 PM
Mark Anderson sucked major *******. and to think I was excited about this signing last year.

GvilleBills
07-23-2013, 03:41 PM
Mark Anderson sucked major *******. and to think I was excited about this signing last year.
Yeah, count me in on that. :(

stuckincincy
07-23-2013, 03:42 PM
Bad month for DEs named Anderson. - CIN cut the Jamaal version recently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217132/article/jamaal-anderson-released-by-cincinnati-bengals

Meathead
07-23-2013, 03:52 PM
bring back kelsay!

Michael82
07-23-2013, 03:59 PM
Glad to see the Mark Anderson experiment is over! The Patriots suckered us into taking him and he was a worthless POS!

Pinkerton Security
07-23-2013, 04:08 PM
Im surprised that we cut him honestly...i know his cap # was definitely the reason why but the damage he did in his career was in the 3-4, and I thought Pettine could make some good use of him.

stuckincincy
07-23-2013, 04:17 PM
Gee - it was just last year, when some folks here were slavering over him, as a part of the NFL's best DL. :handball:

Goobylal
07-23-2013, 04:36 PM
I assume his knee isn't responding well.

Scumbag College
07-23-2013, 05:14 PM
I honestly forgot this guy was still around until last week when I looked at the Bills roster.

superbills
07-23-2013, 06:13 PM
News flash..the Patriots cut players for a reason...just because we look up to them as a franchise doesn't mean that their garbage will make us better. Hopefully, Whaley understands this going forward :)

Meathead
07-23-2013, 06:18 PM
everone associated with the bills last season thought they were a couple players away from prime time so cheap ralph shelled out the huge bucks to land the top two pass rushing free agents. nobody knew that anderson would injure himself early and be a non-factor so they get a pass there. the mistake of the fans was thinking he was more than he had always been - a situational pass rusher only

if he was healthy im sure they would have given him another shot to recapture his '12 magic

DraftBoy
07-23-2013, 06:21 PM
I'll be curious to see what this means for the OLB rotation along with who they bring in with the one open roster spot they now have. Outside of the guys mentioned by others (Hughes, Lawson, Blatnick) I'd be interested to see what Kourtnei Brown does. He's a physical specimen out of Clemson (6'4, 253, 4.7 40) and could be a late bloomer. Also this gives Howard star Keith Pough a better shot at the roster.

feldspar
07-23-2013, 06:23 PM
I never understood it when everyone was saying that the Bills made a big splash in free agency last year by signing Mario Williams AND Mark Anderson. Never got that "and," like Mark Anderson was a big deal in any way.

This move does surprise me quite a bit though. I guess he was worse than worthless to the Bills. More money to eat.

EDS
07-23-2013, 06:34 PM
that, or hughes blatnick are just as good rushing the passer in otas... the byrd situation and hughes made him expendable. hughes was especially lighting it up though

Are they even wearing pads in OTAs to genuinely be able to evaluate these players pass rush abilities in the new scheme?

DraftBoy
07-23-2013, 06:39 PM
Are they even wearing pads in OTAs to genuinely be able to evaluate these players pass rush abilities in the new scheme?

No

TacklingDummy
07-23-2013, 06:48 PM
I just got the text that the Bills have released Mark Anderson.

Makes wasting the first round pick on EJ even worse.

TacklingDummy
07-23-2013, 06:49 PM
The quality of his replacements is irrelevant. If someone took his job then he'd be quality depth or a 3rd down specialist. But this year he stood to make $4 Million. By cutting him, he counts for $4.5 million. We ate a penalty to make him go away.

As a business owner I would be thinking I saved $4 million on garbage.

mayotm
07-23-2013, 07:24 PM
Makes wasting the first round pick on EJ even worse.Refersh my memory, did you like the EJ pick? You haven't mentioned it a hundred times.

IlluminatusUIUC
07-23-2013, 07:41 PM
As a business owner I would be thinking I saved $4 million on garbage.

Good thing they hand out trophies for coming in under budget.

BillsFever21
07-23-2013, 08:49 PM
The Bills were ******ed for giving this guy the kind of money they did in the first place. The sooner we get him off the cap the better. Not that it matters too much though since we never spend to the cap but that's another topic altogether. They should've cut him sooner so his entire cap hit went to this season. I mean we're only sitting there with 18 million dollars we're not going to use.

BertSquirtgum
07-23-2013, 09:53 PM
Makes wasting the first round pick on EJ even worse.

Oh really?

feldspar
07-23-2013, 10:16 PM
I mean we're only sitting there with 18 million dollars we're not going to use.

When is the last day that we can spend money on new contracts and have that count towards THIS year?

Anybody know?

feldspar
07-23-2013, 10:21 PM
Bad month for DEs named Anderson. - CIN cut the Jamaal version recently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217132/article/jamaal-anderson-released-by-cincinnati-bengals

Did you know that there are currently at least 36 players in the NFL with the last name Brown? That's more than 1 per team. I foresee a bad day for guys named Brown on the horizon.

At least 42 guys named Smith...hopefully there is a bad day for a guy that goes by the first name Brad pretty soon. That'll be a good day for me.

Forget about keeping up with the Jones'...there are only 30 of them.

IlluminatusUIUC
07-24-2013, 12:21 AM
Did you know that there are currently at least 36 players in the NFL with the last name Brown? That's more than 1 per team. I foresee a bad day for guys named Brown on the horizon.

At least 42 guys named Smith...hopefully there is a bad day for a guy that goes by the first name Brad pretty soon. That'll be a good day for me.

Forget about keeping up with the Jones'...there are only 30 of them.

We could be starting five Williams this year. Five.​

kishoph
07-24-2013, 04:09 AM
I'm disappointed that Anderson didn't work out, but I'm glad the Bills let him go and didn't feel the need to keep him because he was a high priced FA. I wasn't excited about the talk of keeping Anderson as a "situational pass rusher."

stuckincincy
07-24-2013, 04:32 AM
I'm disappointed that Anderson didn't work out, but I'm glad the Bills let him go and didn't feel the need to keep him because he was a high priced FA. I wasn't excited about the talk of keeping Anderson as a "situational pass rusher."

I've always felt that the best situational pass rusher is a blitzing cornerback or safety.

Anderson was a roll of the dice that didn't pan out as well as expected, but I credit the Bills for trying. Happens to most clubs time to time, IMO.

Saratoga Slim
07-24-2013, 06:52 AM
Anderson was a roll of the dice that didn't pan out as well as expected, but I credit the Bills for trying. Happens to most clubs time to time, IMO.

I agree. The comments in this thread are odd. Signing Anderson didn't put us against the cap and prevent us from signing anyone else. And he was coming off a very solid, double digit sack year. Sure, he hadn't shown a ton of consistency previously, but Ralph spent some cash on the gamble that he might. And you guys have a
problem with that? You'd rather that Ralph just sat on the cash?

GingerP
07-24-2013, 07:01 AM
When is the last day that we can spend money on new contracts and have that count towards THIS year?

I believe if you sign a player to an extension before the last day of the regular season, part of his bonus money is allocated to the current season. If you up his salary, it is split based on the number of weeks in the season. For instance, if you sign a player to an extension after 7 weeks, his old salary is prorated for 7 weeks (out of 17) and his new salary is prorated for 10.

It isn't a big deal anyway, as teams can carry over cap room just by providing the league notice they want to do so. The only way it doesn't carry over is if the team doesn't want it to.

GingerP
07-24-2013, 07:03 AM
I've always felt that the best situational pass rusher is a blitzing cornerback or safety.

Anderson was a roll of the dice that didn't pan out as well as expected, but I credit the Bills for trying. Happens to most clubs time to time, IMO.

I don't think it is a bad move to cut their losses because it didn't work out. I do think they should have addressed the position opposite Williams better. Right now, they are probably going to start Hughes or Lawson opposite Williams. Hughes is a bum and Lawson isn't a great pass rusher. They Bills are likely going to struggle to generate any pass rush from the outside, as teams are going to slide protection toward Williams.

stuckincincy
07-24-2013, 07:16 AM
I don't think it is a bad move to cut their losses because it didn't work out. I do think they should have addressed the position opposite Williams better. Right now, they are probably going to start Hughes or Lawson opposite Williams. Hughes is a bum and Lawson isn't a great pass rusher. They Bills are likely going to struggle to generate any pass rush from the outside, as teams are going to slide protection toward Williams.

I'm hoping whoever mans the end spots do a decent job of contain. It seems to me, that more and more clubs are emphasizing the interior rush to get quick pressure on the qb in this age of "no touch'em" receivers.

Thief
07-24-2013, 07:49 AM
Only makes sense if we can roll over the money to next year and actually spend it. Otherwise 4 million on a situational pass rusher, or depth, is better then 4 million in a dying 90 yr olds pocket.

ublinkwescore
07-24-2013, 08:15 AM
Refersh my memory, did you like the EJ pick? You haven't mentioned it a hundred times.

He hates all our qbs... always has. I think he just wants to see the rbs take the snaps from now on and run reverses & laterals.

TacklingDummy
07-24-2013, 08:33 AM
He hates all our qbs... always has. I think he just wants to see the rbs take the snaps from now on and run reverses & laterals.

Lets take a look at this statement...

Holcomb
Johnson
Bledsoe
Losman
Fitzpatrick
Edwards
Brohm
Collins
Van Pelt
Hobert

Yep You are rate, I hated them all because they all sucked.

2 Years we can add Manuel to the list. That's unless he proves his doubters wrong.

People wonder why this team has sucked for so long. Take a look at the Toilet Paper list.

mayotm
07-24-2013, 08:44 AM
Lets take a look at this statement...

Holcomb
Johnson
Bledsoe
Losman
Fitzpatrick
Edwards
Brohm
Collins
Van Pelt
Hobert

Yep You are rate, I hated them all because they all sucked.

2 Years we can add Manuel to the list. That's unless he proves his doubters wrong.

People wonder why this team has sucked for so long. Take a look at the Toilet Paper list.It's a pathetic list. No doubt about that. However, that list has nothing to do with Manuel succeeding or not. Time will tell.

djjimkelly
07-24-2013, 08:47 AM
it tells me he cant play DE in this scheme and isnt an OLB thats my take

or of course injury

TacklingDummy
07-24-2013, 08:48 AM
It's a pathetic list. No doubt about that. However, that list has nothing to do with Manuel succeeding or not. Time will tell.

Agreed.

I don't think he will succeed but he has a chance to prove me wrong and I hope he does.

But I won't be surprised at all when he turns out to be just another QB bum.

EDS
07-24-2013, 08:49 AM
I agree. The comments in this thread are odd. Signing Anderson didn't put us against the cap and prevent us from signing anyone else. And he was coming off a very solid, double digit sack year. Sure, he hadn't shown a ton of consistency previously, but Ralph spent some cash on the gamble that he might. And you guys have a
problem with that? You'd rather that Ralph just sat on the cash?

I would rather Ralph "waste" the money signing Byrd - a proven playmaker and one of the few pro bowl players drafted by the organization in the last decade. But no, the Bills need to give unreasonably large contracts to unproven or inconsistent mid-level vets such as Kelsay, Fitz, Anderson, Lawson, etc.

The Bills front office has shown true genius in terms of the value that they get on the field from these outsized contracts.

TacklingDummy
07-24-2013, 08:51 AM
I would rather Ralph "waste" the money signing Byrd - a proven playmaker and one of the few pro bowl players drafted by the organization in the last decade. But no, the Bills need to give unreasonably large contracts to unproven or inconsistent mid-level vets such as Kelsay, Fitz, Anderson, Lawson, etc.

The Bills front office has shown true genius in terms of the value that they get on the field from these outsized contracts.

Maybe the $4 Million they are saving by not paying Anderson will go towards keeping Byrd.

EDS
07-24-2013, 08:52 AM
Maybe the $4 Million they are saving by not paying Anderson will go towards keeping Byrd.

Well, since they were so tight up against the cap to begin with . . .

TacklingDummy
07-24-2013, 09:49 AM
Well, since they were so tight up against the cap to begin with . . .


Im talking real money, not cap money.
It's $4 Million real spendable money they can give to Byrd compared to made up monopoly money.