Time for a move at CB?

[X-Era]

Gilmore's probably out for 5-6 games. We're pretty bare as far as backups.

We should make a move.

A pressure defense means you need good man on man cover CB's. Brooks/Rogers/Robey won't cut it. Brady will eat them alive. I'd argue we need one anyway even with Gilmore since McKelvin isn't a stud CB by any means. He's solid but not the sort of #2 CB that you fully trust man on man on an island.

Some of you have argued CB is a legit need going into next years draft. Would you move one of next years picks for a young CB with talent? If we need to be drafting one anyway?

Signing a journeyman or a player cut by another team could be an answer but it certainly doesn't fix the larger issue long term nor does it give us the sort of depth we need ultimately.

I've seen some saying, "Your move Pettine"... I'm saying, "Your move Whaley". You're the GM and we have a new hole, if we want to win it's important to get it filled. Don't act like the Bills of old and assume your marginal backups can do it adequately.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42077/309/NFL-Free-Agent-Master-List-13?pg=4

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[GingerP]

Problem is every team is always looking for DB's. There aren't enough good ones in the league, so it is hard to imagine some team out there with such a wealth of them they will trade one who is decent. The best bet is signing a veteran who may have a little tread left on the tire, or taking a chance on a young player who was recently cut.

[lightningbolt444]

Is this how the Bills move Byrd out? They could put together a package and probably grab a great CB for now and into the future.

[Thurmal]

Problem is every team is always looking for DB's. There aren't enough good ones in the league, so it is hard to imagine some team out there with such a wealth of them they will trade one who is decent. The best bet is signing a veteran who may have a little tread left on the tire, or taking a chance on a young player who was recently cut.
Exactly. Every team in the league is thin with good DBs, so a trade is unlikely.

They should pick up a free agent, though. Couldn't hurt.

[X-Era]

Problem is every team is always looking for DB's. There aren't enough good ones in the league, so it is hard to imagine some team out there with such a wealth of them they will trade one who is decent. The best bet is signing a veteran who may have a little tread left on the tire, or taking a chance on a young player who was recently cut.I agree that's the most likely move, if we make one. But, teams might part with one if you're willing to pay a decent price.

Some of you are real good at watching who's on the block. I'm not, I don't pay attention to it. Anyone got any ideas?

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Is this how the Bills move Byrd out? They could put together a package and probably grab a great CB for now and into the future.Problem is we don't have squat behind Byrd and Aaron Williams either.

[kingJofNYC]

Just tank the ****ing season, doesn't matter.

Over drafted EJ and they'll be picking in the top 5 this year. Disaster so far.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Just tank the ****ing season, doesn't matter.

Over drafted EJ and they'll be picking in the top 5 this year. Disaster so far.

im glad im not with you in a tough situation... Christ some of you are weak minded

[lightningbolt444]

I agree that's the most likely move, if we make one. But, teams might part with one if you're willing to pay a decent price.

Some of you are real good at watching who's on the block. I'm not, I don't pay attention to it. Anyone got any ideas?

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Problem is we don't have squat behind Byrd and Aaron Williams either.


Well if we are going to lose Byrd at the end of the year (and only the bills a byrd know the situation) I would say we should try and move him for a CB. Only if we can get an extremely solid starter though.

[X-Era]

OK, PFT's take on deepest teams at CB:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/25/pfts-depth-analysis/

49ers, Bengals, Broncos, Cardinals, Packers, Patriots, Seahawks, Titans.

49'ers:

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Carlos Rogers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8424/carlos-rogers)
Chris Culliver (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14044/chris-culliver)
Tramaine Brock (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13681/tramaine-brock)
Marcus Cooper (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15888/marcus-cooper)

</tbody>


<tbody>

Tarell Brown (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10590/tarell-brown)
Nnamdi Asomugha (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4489/nnamdi-asomugha)
Perrish Cox (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13344/perrish-cox)
Darryl Morris (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16367/darryl-morris)

</tbody>

Bengals:


<tbody>
Leon Hall (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10462/leon-hall)
Adam Jones (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8421/adam-jones)
Shaun Prater (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15048/shaun-prater)
Chris Lewis-Harris (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15713/chris-lewis-harris)

</tbody>


<tbody>
Terence Newman (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4463/terence-newman)
Brandon Ghee (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13276/brandon-ghee)
Dre Kirkpatrick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14940/dre-kirkpatrick) Q


</tbody>

Broncos:

<tbody>
Champ Bailey (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1758/champ-bailey) Q
Tony Carter (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12771/tony-carter)
Omar Bolden (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14997/omar-bolden)

</tbody>


<tbody>
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11250/dominique-rodgers-cromartie)
Chris Harris (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14398/chris-harris)
Kayvon Webster (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15872/kayvon-webster)
Aaron Hester (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16073/aaron-hester)

</tbody>

Cards:


<tbody>
Patrick Peterson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13980/patrick-peterson)
Javier Arenas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13259/javier-arenas)
Jamell Fleming (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14955/jamell-fleming)
Bryan McCann (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13609/bryan-mccann)

</tbody>


<tbody>
Jerraud Powers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12714/jerraud-powers)
Antoine Cason (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11261/antoine-cason)
Justin Bethel (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15089/justin-bethel)

</tbody>

Pack:

<tbody>
Tramon Williams (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5432/tramon-williams)
Davon House (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14157/davon-house)
Micah Hyde (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15960/micah-hyde)
James Nixon (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15541/james-nixon)

</tbody>


<tbody>
Sam Shields (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13769/sam-shields)
Casey Hayward (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14966/casey-hayward) Q
Jarrett Bush (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10342/jarrett-bush)
Loyce Means (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14557/loyce-means)

</tbody>

Seahawks:


<tbody>
Richard Sherman (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14086/richard-sherman)
Antoine Winfield (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1775/antoine-winfield)
Will Blackmon (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9701/will-blackmon)
Byron Maxwell (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14133/byron-maxwell)

</tbody>


<tbody>
Brandon Browner (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9250/brandon-browner)
Walter Thurmond (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13473/walter-thurmond)
Jeremy Lane (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15087/jeremy-lane)
Ron Parker (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14297/ron-parker)

</tbody>

Titans:


<tbody>

Jason McCourty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12691/jason-mccourty)
Coty Sensabaugh (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14998/coty-sensabaugh)
Khalid Wooten (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15942/khalid-wooten)
George Baker (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16546/george-baker)

</tbody>


<tbody>

Alterraun Verner (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13478/alterraun-verner)
Tommie Campbell (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14062/tommie-campbell)
Blidi Wreh-Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15881/blidi-wreh-wilson)

</tbody>

Obviously I didn't consider the Pats.

They list us as deep at WR, OLB, S, and RS. From that list, the following teams listed above are also listed as weak at those spots... I.E. potential trade partner:

WR- None
OLB- Bengals, Broncos
S- Bengals
RS- None

So, using this the Bengals seem like a potential trade partner. I like Prater and Ghee.

If it's a pick, I like Cason, Cox, Thurmond, Arenas, Culliver

[justasportsfan]

im glad im not with you in a tough situation... Christ some of you are weak minded

ha! I don't know who to laugh at with this one.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

trade for Kirkpatrick?

[X-Era]

trade for Kirkpatrick?He's their 1st rounder, they'd never do it.

They need a S. Some huge move with Byrd. I wouldn't do it, that would be dumb. Byrd is proven, Kirkpatrick is not. Leon Hall? Maybe but that's not even IMO. I'd want more in return.

Halls deal in 2011.

9/2/2011: Signed a five-year, $42.375 million contract. The deal contains $14.1 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Hall is eligible for an annual $100,000 workout bonus in years two through five. 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $6.8 million, 2015: $7.7 million, 2016: Free Agent

Sportrac says his cap hit is:
2013- 8.4
2014- 8.7
2015- 9.6

Too big a hit.

[stuckincincy]

OK, PFT's take on deepest teams at CB:


49ers, Bengals, Broncos, Cardinals, Packers, Patriots, Seahawks, Titans.


WR- None
OLB- Bengals, Broncos
S- Bengals
RS- None

So, using this the Bengals seem like a potential trade partner. I like Prater and Ghee.

If it's a pick, I like Cason, Cox, Thurmond, Arenas, Culliver

I'm surprised that anyone would list CIN deep at CB. Last year's #1, the disappointing Kirkpatrick, "seems" to be injured yet again. Former 3rd rounder Ghee is nothing but potential:

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonghee/494267/profile

Prater...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000046266/article/shaun-prater-injured-lost-for-entire-cincinnati-bengals-season

Both are injured - again:

"SECONDARY - CB Terence Newman (11), CB Leon Hall (7), CB Adam Jones (7), S Reggie Nelson (7), CB Brandon Ghee (4), S Taylor Mays (4), S Jeromy Miles (4), CB Dre Kirkpatrick (2), S George Iloka (2), S Tony Dye (1), CB Chris Lewis-Harris (1), CB Shaun Prater (1), S Shawn Williams (R), CB Onterio McCalebb (R).

With Ghee and possibly Kirkpatrick and Prater battling blows to the head, if the Bengals didn't think they should have kept six corners then they do now. It sounds like Jones (rib) and Ghee are going to be OK for the opener.

When Kirkpatrick got promoted to third corner Saturday in their absence, he was far from good. But at times he displayed excellent man coverage. On one play he was all over Cowboys Pro Bowl wide receiver Dez Bryant, but didn't turn his head around in time and was flagged when the ball hit him in the back. Then Bryant had to sky over Kirkpatrick for a third-down, five-yard TD catch with Kirkpatrick again all over him. But no doubt the coaches are going to emphasize ball skills to Kirkpatrick, among other things."...

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Two-week-warning/62e7a1e5-da7d-4b3d-808d-b27f46a681bf

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Maybe we just keep 6 cbs and only 3 backup olineman

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[OpIv37]

We have to do something, but at this point we are pretty much stuck waiting for other teams' cuts and taking the best available. It's not a winning strategy, but it's a stopgap until Gilmore can return.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

nix brought in routt a year ago, so im guessing if they do sign someone, its him... big physical, and only 30

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Gilmore out 4-5 games mckelvin, robey, brooks, routt, butler ( butler/Gilmore inactive on gameday)

[Forward_Lateral]

We have to do something, but at this point we are pretty much stuck waiting for other teams' cuts and taking the best available. It's not a winning strategy, but it's a stopgap until Gilmore can return.

At this point, they are going to have to ask a WR to play both ways. lol

[Mr. Pink]

Bring in Sheldon Brown.

Solid vet presence who doesn't mind playing for a loser.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Id rather take routt

[User Manuel]

I'm betting Aaron Williams ends up starting.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

He's their 1st rounder, they'd never do it.

They need a S. Some huge move with Byrd. I wouldn't do it, that would be dumb. Byrd is proven, Kirkpatrick is not. Leon Hall? Maybe but that's not even IMO. I'd want more in return.

Halls deal in 2011.

9/2/2011: Signed a five-year, $42.375 million contract. The deal contains $14.1 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Hall is eligible for an annual $100,000 workout bonus in years two through five. 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $6.8 million, 2015: $7.7 million, 2016: Free Agent

Sportrac says his cap hit is:
2013- 8.4
2014- 8.7
2015- 9.6

Too big a hit.

lolwut. Why on earth would Cincy, a legit division title contender, trade us their #1 corner less than two weeks before the opener? The only player that might justify that kind of move is Byrd, and he's only on a one year deal.

[OpIv37]

At this point, they are going to have to ask a WR to play both ways. lol

Great... Then we'll have 50 threads about how it will work out just fine because the Patriots won a SB using converted WR Troy Brown as a CB.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Great... Then we'll have 50 threads about how it will work out just fine because the Patriots won a SB using converted WR Troy Brown as a CB.

again, again, again, the pats are great because of brady. Gilmore out for 4 games is not why we will lose, ej will be the reason for success or failure...

[Night Train]

Gilmore's probably out for 5-6 games. We're pretty bare as far as backups.

We should make a move.

A pressure defense means you need good man on man cover CB's. Brooks/Rogers/Robey won't cut it. Brady will eat them alive. I'd argue we need one anyway even with Gilmore since McKelvin isn't a stud CB by any means. He's solid but not the sort of #2 CB that you fully trust man on man on an island.

Some of you have argued CB is a legit need going into next years draft. Would you move one of next years picks for a young CB with talent? If we need to be drafting one anyway?

Signing a journeyman or a player cut by another team could be an answer but it certainly doesn't fix the larger issue long term nor does it give us the sort of depth we need ultimately.

I've seen some saying, "Your move Pettine"... I'm saying, "Your move Whaley". You're the GM and we have a new hole, if we want to win it's important to get it filled. Don't act like the Bills of old and assume your marginal backups can do it adequately.

Agreed. After the final cuts, we should see at least 2 coming here, if not a low round trade this week.

McKelvin looked lost vs. the Skins and I'm just about done with Brooks, who can run a 4.3 but cannot cover.

[BillsFever21]

im glad im not with you in a tough situation... Christ some of you are weak minded

Most of us are glad we're not in a tough situation with you. There could be a highly trained military militia attacking us with AK-47's and you would think everything is alright because we're carrying hunting rifles and one of your friends shot the can off the tree with it several years ago. We wouldn't need to run for cover because we would be just fine with the hunting rifles and training that we have.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Most of us are glad we're not in a tough situation with you. There could be a highly trained military militia attacking us with AK-47's and you would think everything is alright because we're carrying hunting rifles and one of your friends shot the can off the tree with it several years ago. We wouldn't need to run for cover because we would be just fine with the hunting rifles and training that we have.

so, its iffy, but ej should start( a legit concern).... other than that our starting cb is out for a month.... yet people here are writing the team off, and saying we suck. WITHOUT WATCHING A GAME YET, 1 GAME... like I said, you guys panic, and are weak minded... if ej starts, nothing changes... we have no clue, and people should be excited. like I said, carucci left for a reason, because of *****es like you

[NOT THE DUDE...]

im just glad you are not on my football team, I would have made your sorry ass quit

[OpIv37]

so, its iffy, but ej should start( a legit concern).... other than that our starting cb is out for a month.... yet people here are writing the team off, and saying we suck. WITHOUT WATCHING A GAME YET, 1 GAME... like I said, you guys panic, and are weak minded... if ej starts, nothing changes... we have no clue, and people should be excited. like I said, carucci left for a reason, because of *****es like you
Lmao- understanding that you are in a bad situation is not even close to being weak minded.

On the other hand, having to mind-**** yourself into thinking the situation is better than it is, is pretty damn weak minded.

[BillsFever21]

so, its iffy, but ej should start( a legit concern).... other than that our starting cb is out for a month.... yet people here are writing the team off, and saying we suck. WITHOUT WATCHING A GAME YET, 1 GAME... like I said, you guys panic, and are weak minded... if ej starts, nothing changes... we have no clue, and people should be excited. like I said, carucci left for a reason, because of *****es like you

BillsFever and others on the board - 13-0 with our yearly predictions that past 13 years and a high success rate on player development predictions

NTD - 0-13 with his yearly predictions and about 3-200 with his player predictions the past several years.

I think I'll take the top stat over yours.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Lmao- understanding that you are in a bad situation is not even close to being weak minded.

On the other hand, having to mind-**** yourself into thinking the situation is better than it is, is pretty damn weak minded.

how is it bad, if you literally have no clue????? I mean we have no idea... very logical

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Lmao- understanding that you are in a bad situation is not even close to being weak minded.

On the other hand, having to mind-**** yourself into thinking the situation is better than it is, is pretty damn weak minded.

you love putting words in peoples mouth and making up **** out of thin air. I never said we would be great, I said we don't know and im excited. again, WTF

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Lmao- understanding that you are in a bad situation is not even close to being weak minded.

On the other hand, having to mind-**** yourself into thinking the situation is better than it is, is pretty damn weak minded.

clearly your an idiot. why don't you do an internship with Sullivan, it fits your constant bs/cynicism

[OpIv37]

how is it bad, if you literally have no clue????? I mean we have no idea... very logical
We have no clue?

Lmao, yeah, none of these guys have ever played football before, and neither have our opponents. Every year after the SB, all the players magically disappear into thin air and new ones magically appear.

Wow, what a stupid comment.

If we have no clue, explain how I can consistently predict this team's record within one game. People whom follow the sport have a clue- it's not an exact science, but it's a lot better than a total guess.

[OpIv37]

you love putting words in peoples mouth and making up **** out of thin air. I never said we would be great, I said we don't know and im excited. again, WTF

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clearly your an idiot. why don't you do an internship with Sullivan, it fits your constant bs/cynicism
My "BS/cynicism" has been extremely accurate and my record here speaks for itself.

And it' "you're", not "your." If you are going to accuse other people of being idiots, at least show a 3rd grade understanding of grammar and punctuation.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

We have no clue?

Lmao, yeah, none of these guys have ever played football before, and neither have our opponents. Every year after the SB, all the players magically disappear into thin air and new ones magically appear.

Wow, what a stupid comment.

If we have no clue, explain how I can consistently predict this team's record within one game. People whom follow the sport have a clue- it's not an exact science, but it's a lot better than a total guess.

qbs determine everything, and just like every rookie qb drafted high, you nor does anyone else have a clue.... again, stop making **** up, man up and get excited....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

My "BS/cynicism" has been extremely accurate and my record here speaks for itself.


And it' "you're", not "your." If you are going to accuse other people of being idiots, at least show a 3rd grade understanding of grammar and punctuation.

the ultimate example when your argument fails, point out grammatical mistakes nobody gives a rats ass about on a mb... wow, just ****ing wow

[NOT THE DUDE...]

point out the lack of commas, the lack of a period, and the lols too... good lord youre a pussy

[Dr. Lecter]

the ultimate example when your argument fails, point out grammatical mistakes nobody gives a rats ass about on a mb... wow, just ****ing wow

That is because you refuse to listen to people when they point out you say things that are clearly untrue

[NOT THE DUDE...]

like I said, youre an idiot...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

That is because you refuse to listen to people when they point out you say things that are clearly untrue

no, he said we will suck, along with others. that is the most irrational statement someone can make before the season starts, especially with a rookie qb drafted high... again, its cynical, and weak minded

[OpIv37]

the ultimate example when your argument fails, point out grammatical mistakes nobody gives a rats ass about on a mb... wow, just ****ing wow

Um, you called me an "idiot." You made a basic grammatical mistake while doing so. You lose the high ground to accuse someone else of being an idiot when you don't understand basic English.

[OpIv37]

no, he said we will suck, along with others. that is the most irrational statement someone can make before the season starts, especially with a rookie qb drafted high... again, its cynical, and weak minded

Well, I've made that statement going back every year til 2005, and I've been right every year. So, please explain how it can be irrational and correct at the same time. Talk your way out of that paradox you created, genius.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Um, you called me an "idiot." You made a basic grammatical mistake while doing so. You lose the high ground to accuse someone else of being an idiot when you don't understand basic English.
youre an idiot for pointing out proper grammar on a mb, when anyone with a brain stem knows people type fast on a mb and don't give a **** happens a million times lol.... either way, because you don't get this, like I said, youre an idiot

[OpIv37]

youre an idiot for pointing out proper grammar on a mb, when anyone with a brain stem knows people type fast on a mb and don't give a **** happens a million times lol.... either way, because you don't get this, like I said, youre an idiot

Lmao you still got it wrong

[Dr. Lecter]

youre an idiot for pointing out proper grammar on a mb, when anyone with a brain stem knows people type fast on a mb and don't give a **** happens a million times lol.... either way, because you don't get this, like I said, youre an idiot

No,Op is not an idiot.*



* except for the Notre Dame fan thing

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Well, I've made that statement going back every year til 2005, and I've been right every year. So, please explanation how it can be irrational and correct at the same time. Talk your way out of that paradox you created, genius.

once again, new regime, new qb...

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No,Op is not an idiot.*



* except for the Notre Dame fan thing

now youre an idiot for not liking the irish... wtf lol

[Dr. Lecter]

once again, new regime, new qb...
This defense is still going to be terrible and without Gilmore the CBs are pretty crappy.

[OpIv37]

once again, new regime, new qb...

Yeah, just like Losman in 2005 and Edwards in 2007 and Fitz in 2010.....

And Bledsoe in 2001 and Johnson in 1998 and Collins in 1996....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Lmao you still got it wrong

so im right, youre an idiot

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Yeah, just like Losman in 2005 and Edwards in 2007 and Fitz in 2010.....

And Bledsoe in 2001 and Johnson in 1998 and Collins in 1996....fallacy of past failures being causal in new ones.... youre not making a lick of sense. those teams failed because those qbs failed. and so will this team if ej fails. Collins failing in 97 has no ****ing bearing on ej...

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why is it so hard for you to admit you don't know? you sound like a fundamentalist Christian nut

[OpIv37]

This defense is still going to be terrible and without Gilmore the CBs are pretty crappy.

Don't forget about the OL and the WR's... How will we ever get by without NOT THE DUDE's boy Da'Rick Rogers?

I mean, anyone who thought so highly about Rogers clearly knows football....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

everyone said the skins, colts, seahawks, falcons in 08 would suck... everyone said pats with cassell would suck, and everyone said marino wouldn't amount to much...

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well, I better wise up and take your predictions to vegas... over under bills on 8 wins

[OpIv37]

fallacy of past failures being causal in new ones.... youre not making a lick of sense. those teams failed because those qbs failed. and so will this team if ej fails. Collins failing in 97 has no ****ing bearing on ej...

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why is it so hard for you to admit you don't know? you sound like a fundamentalist Christian nut

I don't know what the outcome is 100%. I am predicting the most likely outcome.

And if you think those teams failed solely because of QB, you are sorely mistaken and you have no understanding of the complexity of the game.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

I don't know what the outcome is 100%. I am predicting the most likely outcome.

And if you think those teams failed solely because of QB, you are sorely mistaken and you have no understanding of the complexity of the game.

yes, they did fail because of the qb. almost all of it was because of the lack of competent qb play.... lol again, over under 8 wins?

[OpIv37]

everyone said the skins, colts, seahawks, falcons in 08 would suck... everyone said pats with cassell would suck, and everyone said marino wouldn't amount to much...

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well, I better wise up and take your predictions to vegas... over under bills on 8 wins

Exception to prove the rule. Funny how you failed to mention the thousands of teams and players that people said would suck who actually sucked.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

im going to vegas

[OpIv37]

yes, they did fail because of the qb. almost all of it was because of the lack of competent qb play.... lol again, over under 8 wins?

Lmao- that's a gimme.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Exception to prove the rule. Funny how you failed to mention the thousands of teams and players that people said would suck who actually sucked.

the burden of proof is on you. I said I am excited about a new qb, and the unknowns. you said we will suck...

[CoolBreeze]

LOL...
Um, you called me an "idiot." You made a basic grammatical mistake while doing so. You lose the high ground to accuse someone else of being an idiot when you don't understand basic English.

[OpIv37]

the burden of proof is on you. I said I am excited about a new qb, and the unknowns. you said we will suck...

You can't be ****ing serious.

Let's see- completely unproven rookie QB who may not even start week 1, no experienced WR's except for Stevie, lost Levitre and Hairston hurt, new offensive system, paper tiger DL that has proven nothing, bad LB's, bad CB's especially with the Gilmore injury, our only proven S held out through camp while we installed a new D.....

That's not enough for you?

[NOT THE DUDE...]

You can't be ****ing serious.

Let's see- completely unproven rookie QB who may not even start week 1, no experienced WR's except for Stevie, lost Levitre and Hairston hurt, new offensive system, paper tiger DL that has proven nothing, bad LB's, bad CB's especially with the Gilmore injury, our only proven S held out through camp while we installed a new D.....

That's not enough for you?

everything you said applied to the skins, colts, seahawks, falcons in 08, pats in 09, bengals in 011, 49ers to some degree in 011( smith was trash), Vikings with a 2nd year unproven guy in ponder last year, and probably about 10 other teams the past 15 years. our oline is fine, our wrs are fine, we have a top 5 rb, our front 7 is talented and could be way better with pettine... I agree with you on the secondary, but Ive seen worse. look, all bs argument and personal attacks aside. I get it, a rational bet would be 7 wins roughly. but we really don't know, and don't know more so than any other year since forever. I don't think we have ever drafted a qb in the 1st rd and they look solid in practice and in the preseason, which I admit doesn't mean ****. the point being, ej could be great or close to great. and im excited about that, im excited about the new scheme on d, for reputable reasons ( pettine, and Mario/hughes/dareus...) WE SERIOUSLY CANT MAKE ANY TANGIBLE PREDICITON WORTH ANY WEIGHT UNTIL WEEK 2

[NOT THE DUDE...]

im guessing ej will start, and if so, YOU and everyone else should be fired up. now, if he blows, then yeah, let the sullivans write their articles and lets get drunk. until then, you are not making any sense

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especially with the new age of rookie qbs/young qbs and fast turnarounds

[GingerP]

well, I better wise up and take your predictions to vegas... over under bills on 8 wins

The Over-Under win total for the Bills is at 6.5 in Vegas.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

The Over-Under win total for the Bills is at 6.5 in Vegas.
well, you got me depressed there... id for sure say over if I was putting money down

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The Over-Under win total for the Bills is at 6.5 in Vegas.

if you had a 100 gs, what would you do?

[OpIv37]

everything you said applied to the skins, colts, seahawks, falcons in 08, pats in 09, bengals in 011, 49ers to some degree in 011( smith was trash), Vikings with a 2nd year unproven guy in ponder last year, and probably about 10 other teams the past 15 years. our oline is fine, our wrs are fine, we have a top 5 rb, our front 7 is talented and could be way better with pettine... I agree with you on the secondary, but Ive seen worse. look, all bs argument and personal attacks aside. I get it, a rational bet would be 7 wins roughly. but we really don't know, and don't know more so than any other year since forever. I don't think we have ever drafted a qb in the 1st rd and they look solid in practice and in the preseason, which I admit doesn't mean ****. the point being, ej could be great or close to great. and im excited about that, im excited about the new scheme on d, for reputable reasons ( pettine, and Mario/hughes/dareus...) WE SERIOUSLY CANT MAKE ANY TANGIBLE PREDICITON WORTH ANY WEIGHT UNTIL WEEK 2

And everything I've said applied to every team that has sucked in the history of the NFL, including the Bills for the last 13 seasons. Our front 7 isn't great. Our DL is good on paper but that has yet to mean anything on the field. Our LB's are bottom 5 in the NFL, at best.

EJ could be great- this is true. He won't be great behind a makeshift OL throwing to inexperienced WR's when even the vets on O are learning a new system. Short from an entire offense full of rookies, there is no possible worse situation for a QB to be in.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

And everything I've said applied to every team that has sucked in the history of the NFL, including the Bills for the last 13 seasons. Our front 7 isn't great. Our DL is good on paper but that has yet to mean anything on the field. Our LB's are bottom 5 in the NFL, at best.

EJ could be great- this is true. He won't be great behind a makeshift OL throwing to inexperienced WR's when even the vets on O are learning a new system. Short from an entire offense full of rookies, there is no possible worse situation for a QB to be in.

the oline is not makeshift lol.... stevie and graham are solid, with excellent youth in woods and Goodwin. either way, that's not the point. I think coaching had a major impact on the d, ill just leave it at that. other than that, ej is a mystery, and has looked decent so far. it is exciting, and ill say it again. you don't know, and have no rational premise for your prediction until after the 2nd game...

[Dr. Lecter]

the oline is not makeshift lol.... stevie and graham are solid, with excellent youth in woods and Goodwin. either way, that's not the point. I think coaching had a major impact on the d, ill just leave it at that. other than that, ej is a mystery, and has looked decent so far. it is exciting, and ill say it again. you don't know, and have no rational premise for your prediction until after the 2nd game...
2/5ths of the O-line (Pears and Brown) are not starting caliber linemen and were not supposed to be starting this year (especially Pears).

Graham had an OK rookie year. But is not solid yet. Woods and Goodwin are youth - but to call them "excellent" is hyperbole.

As for the defense, sure coaching did not help. But there is still a void of talent. Searcy is garbage. Lawson is average. Bradham is young, but has some potential. Alonso looks like he could work out. The DLine still can be rushed on. CB is a mess, despite your theory that Robley is answer. And Byrd is rightfully pissed off.

And there is 0 depth on the entire defense, save for Branch.

It is much more than coaching.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

2/5ths of the O-line (Pears and Brown) are not starting caliber linemen and were not supposed to be starting this year (especially Pears).

Graham had an OK rookie year. But is not solid yet. Woods and Goodwin are youth - but to call them "excellent" is hyperbole.

As for the defense, sure coaching did not help. But there is still a void of talent. Searcy is garbage. Lawson is average. Bradham is young, but has some potential. Alonso looks like he could work out. The DLine still can be rushed on. CB is a mess, despite your theory that Robley is answer. And Byrd is rightfully pissed off.

And there is 0 depth on the entire defense, save for Branch.

It is much more than coaching.
ill leave it at this, the qb is everything, and that means we seriously have no clue. ill just talk about the oline, because we disagree. ill say this, I think our roster is similar to the Vikings or seahawks last year in talent, ( outside the qb).... now, the oline.... glenn, wood, and urbik are all in their prime and top 10 at their positions, I would argue wood and glenn are top 5. pears when healthy was grading as a top 10 rt in 2011, and brown has great size strength but is a unknown. in todays free agency, this is about as good as it gets for all intents and purposes... welch, young, and legursky have all started games and been adequate or didn't look terrible. again, for depth, as good as it gets. and zebrie sanders has potential...

[cookie G]

Gilmore's probably out for 5-6 games. We're pretty bare as far as backups.

We should make a move.

A pressure defense means you need good man on man cover CB's. Brooks/Rogers/Robey won't cut it. Brady will eat them alive. I'd argue we need one anyway even with Gilmore since McKelvin isn't a stud CB by any means. He's solid but not the sort of #2 CB that you fully trust man on man on an island.

Some of you have argued CB is a legit need going into next years draft. Would you move one of next years picks for a young CB with talent? If we need to be drafting one anyway?

Signing a journeyman or a player cut by another team could be an answer but it certainly doesn't fix the larger issue long term nor does it give us the sort of depth we need ultimately.

I've seen some saying, "Your move Pettine"... I'm saying, "Your move Whaley". You're the GM and we have a new hole, if we want to win it's important to get it filled. Don't act like the Bills of old and assume your marginal backups can do it adequately.

Sigh...

Hasn't this team wasted enough draft picks on DB's over the past half decade or so?

Do we really need to start mortgaging future draft picks to feed this strange, strange addiction?

The absurd amount of picks we've used isn't enough?

This team would have been a playoff team 5 years ago but for its DB fetish.

[OpIv37]

ill leave it at this, the qb is everything, and that means we seriously have no clue. ill just talk about the oline, because we disagree. ill say this, I think our roster is similar to the Vikings or seahawks last year in talent, ( outside the qb).... now, the oline.... glenn, wood, and urbik are all in their prime and top 10 at their positions, I would argue wood and glenn are top 5. pears when healthy was grading as a top 10 rt in 2011, and brown has great size strength but is a unknown. in todays free agency, this is about as good as it gets for all intents and purposes... welch, young, and legursky have all started games and been adequate or didn't look terrible. again, for depth, as good as it gets. and zebrie sanders has potential...
The QB is NOT everything. Your entire premise is flawed.

If the QB was everything, then Dan Marino and Jim Kelly would have a lot more than ZERO Super Bowl victories between them.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

The QB is NOT everything. Your entire premise is flawed.

If the QB was everything, then Dan Marino and Jim Kelly would have a lot more than ZERO Super Bowl victories between them.
does everything need to be broken down in simple terms??? the qb is everthing when it comes to winning consistently... almost 99% of people here on the board, nfl fans, and nfl professionals agree with me. everything else is a flat line when looking at the big picture... in fact, most teams are close to talent except for at qb. if ej manuel is really good, than buffalo will have great success... that is a complete mystery, and again, your whole prediction is premature and not valid until we see what he is like

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until then buffalo is a big ? and the curiosity about a 1st round pick like ej should have you excited, not acting like a vagina

[OpIv37]

does everything need to be broken down in simple terms??? the qb is everthing when it comes to winning consistently... almost 99% of people here on the board, nfl fans, and nfl professionals agree with me. everything else is a flat line when looking at the big picture... in fact, most teams are close to talent except for at qb. if ej manuel is really good, than buffalo will have great success... that is a complete mystery, and again, your whole prediction is premature and not valid until we see what he is like

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until then buffalo is a big ? and the curiosity about a 1st round pick like ej should have you excited, not acting like a vagina
First, 99% of people don't agree with you. Second, even if they did, it's irrelevant because majority opinion does not determine correctness. Third, not everything needs to be broken down in simple terms because not everything is simple. In fact, most things are complex, including football. Putting it all on the QB is a gross oversimplification that shows a lack of understanding of the game.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

First, 99% of people don't agree with you. Second, even if they did, it's irrelevant because majority opinion does not determine correctness. Third, not everything needs to be broken down in simple terms because not everything is simple. In fact, most things are complex, including football. Putting it all on the QB is a gross oversimplification that shows a lack of understanding of the game.

yes, consensus does not mean you are right. so explain why the same colts team was 12-4 2-14 and then 11-5? explain why the same bills team in 95 and 96 went 10-6 and 97 went 6-10 and then 10-6 in 98. explain why the hawks went 11-5 last year with the same team from the year before that went 7-9. explain a falcons team that was horrible and then won 11 games with matt ryan, or the skins. the team turnover was minimal, and only the talent at qb changed dramatically. and even teams with poor olines like the packers or steelers still win superbowls with great qb play....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

in fact, name the 12 playoff teams, and then name the 4 next best teams. I then want you to name the teams starting qbs... then, name the starting qbs for the bottom 16 teams in the league....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

lets see if there is any correlation? maybe it's causal, idk...lol

[NOT THE DUDE...]

<tbody>
AFC East


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(2) New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots)[a] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_AFCEast1a)
12
4
0
.750
557
331
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_New_England_Patriots_season)</small>


Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins)
7
9
0
.438
288
317
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Miami_Dolphins_season)</small>


New York Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)[b] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_AFCEast3b)
6
10
0
.375
281
375
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_New_York_Jets_season)</small>


Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills)
6
10
0
.375
344
435
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Buffalo_Bills_season)</small>


AFC North


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(4) Baltimore Ravens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens)[c] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_AFCNorth1c)
10
6
0
.625
398
344
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Baltimore_Ravens_season)</small>


(6) Cincinnati Bengals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bengals)
10
6
0
.625
391
320
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Cincinnati_Bengals_season)</small>


Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
8
8
0
.500
336
314
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season)</small>


Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns)
5
11
0
.313
302
368
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Cleveland_Browns_season)</small>


AFC South


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(3) Houston Texans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Texans)
12
4
0
.750
416
331
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Houston_Texans_season)</small>


(5) Indianapolis Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts)
11
5
0
.688
357
387
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Indianapolis_Colts_season)</small>


Tennessee Titans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans)
6
10
0
.375
330
471
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Tennessee_Titans_season)</small>


Jacksonville Jaguars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Jaguars)
2
14
0
.125
255
444
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Jacksonville_Jaguars_season)</small>


AFC West


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(1) Denver Broncos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos)
13
3
0
.813
481
289
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Denver_Broncos_season)</small>


San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers)
7
9
0
.438
350
350
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_San_Diego_Chargers_season)</small>


Oakland Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders)
4
12
0
.250
290
443
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Oakland_Raiders_season)</small>


Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)
2
14
0
.125
211
425
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season)</small>

</tbody>

<tbody>
NFC East


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(4) Washington Redskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins)
10
6
0
.625
436
388
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Washington_Redskins_season)</small>


New York Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Giants)
9
7
0
.563
429
344
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_New_York_Giants_season)</small>


Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys)
8
8
0
.500
376
400
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Dallas_Cowboys_season)</small>


Philadelphia Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles)
4
12
0
.250
280
444
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Philadelphia_Eagles_season)</small>


NFC North


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(3) Green Bay Packers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers)
11
5
0
.688
433
336
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Green_Bay_Packers_season)</small>


(6) Minnesota Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings)[d] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_NFCNorth2d)
10
6
0
.625
379
348
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Minnesota_Vikings_season)</small>


Chicago Bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears)
10
6
0
.625
375
277
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chicago_Bears_season)</small>


Detroit Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Lions)
4
12
0
.250
372
437
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Detroit_Lions_season)</small>


NFC South


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(1) Atlanta Falcons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons)
13
3
0
.813
419
299
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Atlanta_Falcons_season)</small>


Carolina Panthers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Panthers)[e] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_NFCSouth2e)
7
9
0
.438
357
363
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Carolina_Panthers_season)</small>


New Orleans Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints)[f] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_season#endnote_NFCSouth3f)
7
9
0
.438
461
454
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_New_Orleans_Saints_season)</small>


Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers)
7
9
0
.438
389
394
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_season)</small>


NFC West


Team
<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>
<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>
<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>
<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>
<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>
<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>



(2) San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers)
11
4
1
.719
397
273
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_San_Francisco_49ers_season)</small>


(5) Seattle Seahawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks)
11
5
0
.688
412
245
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Seattle_Seahawks_season)</small>


St. Louis Rams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams)
7
8
1
.469
299
348
<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_St._Louis_Rams_season)</small>


Arizona Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals)
5
11
0
.313
250
357

</tbody>

[NOT THE DUDE...]

...................2011
<tbody>
AFC East



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(1) New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots)

13

3


.813

513

342

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_New_England_Patriots_season)</small>



New York Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)

8

8


.500

377

363

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_New_York_Jets_season)</small>



Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins)[a] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_AFCEast3a)

6

10


.375

329

313

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Miami_Dolphins_season)</small>



Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills)

6

10


.375

372

434

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Buffalo_Bills_season)</small>



AFC North



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(2) Baltimore Ravens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens)[b] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_AFCNorth1b)

12

4


.750

378

266

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Baltimore_Ravens_season)</small>



(5) Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)

12

4


.750

325

227

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season)</small>



(6) Cincinnati Bengals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bengals)[c] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_AFCSeed6c)

9

7


.563

344

323

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Cincinnati_Bengals_season)</small>



Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns)

4

12


.250

218

307

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Cleveland_Browns_season)</small>



AFC South



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(3) Houston Texans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Texans)

10

6


.625

381

278

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Houston_Texans_season)</small>



Tennessee Titans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans)

9

7


.563

325

317

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tennessee_Titans_season)</small>



Jacksonville Jaguars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Jaguars)

5

11


.313

243

329

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Jacksonville_Jaguars_season)</small>



Indianapolis Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts)

2

14


.125

243

430

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indianapolis_Colts_season)</small>



AFC West



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(4) Denver Broncos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos)[d] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_AFCWest1d)

8

8


.500

309

390

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Denver_Broncos_season)</small>



San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers)[e] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_AFCWest2e)

8

8


.500

406

377

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Diego_Chargers_season)</small>



Oakland Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders)

8

8


.500

359

433

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Oakland_Raiders_season)</small>



Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)

7

9


.438

212

338

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season)</small>


</tbody>

<tbody>
NFC East



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(4) New York Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Giants)

9

7


.563

394

400

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_New_York_Giants_season)</small>



Philadelphia Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles)[f] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_NFCEast3f)

8

8


.500

396

328

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Philadelphia_Eagles_season)</small>



Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys)

8

8


.500

369

347

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Dallas_Cowboys_season)</small>



Washington Redskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins)

5

11


.313

288

367

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Washington_Redskins_season)</small>



NFC North



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(1) Green Bay Packers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers)

15

1


.938

560

359

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Green_Bay_Packers_season)</small>



(6) Detroit Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Lions)

10

6


.625

474

387

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Detroit_Lions_season)</small>



Chicago Bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears)

8

8


.500

353

341

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chicago_Bears_season)</small>



Minnesota Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings)

3

13


.188

340

449

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Minnesota_Vikings_season)</small>



NFC South



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(3) New Orleans Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints)

13

3


.813

547

339

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_New_Orleans_Saints_season)</small>



(5) Atlanta Falcons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons)[g] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_NFCSeed5g)

10

6


.625

402

350

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Atlanta_Falcons_season)</small>



Carolina Panthers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Panthers)

6

10


.375

406

429

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Carolina_Panthers_season)</small>



Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers)

4

12


.250

287

494

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_season)</small>



NFC West



Team

<abbr title="Wins">W</abbr>

<abbr title="Losses">L</abbr>

<abbr title="Ties">T</abbr>

<abbr title="Winning percentage">PCT</abbr>

<abbr title="Points For (Total points scored)">PF</abbr>

<abbr title="Points Against (Total points allowed)">PA</abbr>




(2) San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers)[h] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_season#endnote_NFCSeed2h)

13

3


.813

380

229

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Francisco_49ers_season)</small>



Arizona Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals)

8

8


.500

312

348

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Arizona_Cardinals_season)</small>



Seattle Seahawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks)

7

9


.438

321

315

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Seattle_Seahawks_season)</small>



St. Louis Rams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams)

2

14


.125

193

407

<small>Details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_St._Louis_Rams_season)</small>


</tbody>

[Night Train]

Time to do some waiver shopping.

[better days]

Time to do some waiver shopping.

Yeah. People used to joke that Nix went to sleep at 10PM, well it is time for Whaley to prove himself as a GM.

He better be up all night scouring the waiver wire.