Gameday Bills vs Lions

[The King]

Call me crazy but I am excited to see Leinart play. I am not expecting much but I think he can actually earn a spot of this roster.

I didn't see any of his play in Oakland but that brief appearance he had in Houston he looked like he had found a groove. I think his biggest problem has always been arrogance. And he's clearly been humbled.

But long story short Kolb has been awful in every sense of the word. I wouldn't be opposed to Leinart if he can show he has something left in the tank.

[better days]

I am with you. I have said that Kolb is Fitz with a little better arm.

Leinart may be better than both of them. If he plays decent tonight, I think the Bills will put Kolb on IR for the year.

[kishoph]

Call me crazy but I am excited to see Leinart play. I am not expecting much but I think he can actually earn a spot of this roster.

I didn't see any of his play in Oakland but that brief appearance he had in Houston he looked like he had found a groove. I think his biggest problem has always been arrogance. And he's clearly been humbled.

But long story short Kolb has been awful in every sense of the word. I wouldn't be opposed to Leinart if he can show he has something left in the tank.

I think you're right, he can throw the football, but his head has never been there, he came out of Southern Cal a Heisman trophy winner and thought he was the **** and wanted to be a playboy more than an NFL QB. If his head is on straight, I think he's a much better option than Kolb as the teams #2 QB.

[OpIv37]

Leinart was a myth at USC. The team was stacked when he was there and their skill made him look a lot better than he was. I am not a fan of Kolb at all and I didn't like the move, but he's still better than Leinart.

And anyway, Leinart only had 3 days to learn the playbook so it isn't even a fair test.

[justasportsfan]

I didn't say this last week before the redskins " NO INJURIES PLEASE"

[OpIv37]

I didn't say this last week before the redskins " NO INJURIES PLEASE"

Well I won't be at this game and I probably won't even waste my time watching the replay, so hopefully that will keep some of the bad luck away.

[better days]

Leinart was a myth at USC. The team was stacked when he was there and their skill made him look a lot better than he was. I am not a fan of Kolb at all and I didn't like the move, but he's still better than Leinart.

And anyway, Leinart only had 3 days to learn the playbook so it isn't even a fair test.

Well, I want to see leadership from Leinart & a good arm in this game, that is about all.

[Meathead]

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[Thurmal]

Call me crazy but I am excited to see Leinart play.
Me too. I've always thought that he never really got a fair chance at being a starter. Injuries and the Kurt Warner resurgence kinda put him on the back burner.

[Historian]

The annual Bills- Lions snoozefest, where our grocery baggers play your retail clerks!

[OpIv37]

The annual Bill Lions snoozefest, where our grocery baggers play your retail clerks!

Hey man- at least a few of them are qualified to be mall security guards who moonlight as night club bouncers.

[coastal]

No mitchmurraydowntown karma?

[GingerP]

I didn't see any of his play in Oakland but that brief appearance he had in Houston he looked like he had found a groove. I think his biggest problem has always been arrogance. And he's clearly been humbled..

His biggest problem is lack of arm strength and getting the ball out too late. He has pretty good size and athleticism, but he can't make power throws into tight windows and takes too long to diagnose the defense and get the ball out. As a result, he tends to check down a lot. He isn't a very good NFL QB.

[The King]

Leinart was a myth at USC. The team was stacked when he was there and their skill made him look a lot better than he was. I am not a fan of Kolb at all and I didn't like the move, but he's still better than Leinart.

And anyway, Leinart only had 3 days to learn the playbook so it isn't even a fair test.

And that's where this becomes interesting.

Kolb is 16-26 61% for 131 yards 0 TD's 1 INT with a QB rating of 59.

It's reasonable to think that in one half tonight not knowing the offense, Leinart could eclipse those numbers. Now there's zero chance he would start against NE, and they're going to run the most basic packages tonight. But if Leinart can do even close to this, with the 3's and 4's out there. How is he not in the discussion to make this roster over Kolb.

Oh and I totally agree with you about Leinart at USC, the program made him look much better than he is. His Oline gave him days, the gameplan was built around Bush. But his receivers from the 04-05 season were hardly elite. Most of them never really made it in the NFL.

[ServoBillieves]

No injuries, kthanks

[GingerP]

It's reasonable to think that in one half tonight not knowing the offense, Leinart could eclipse those numbers. Now there's zero chance he would start against NE, and they're going to run the most basic packages tonight. But if Leinart can do even close to this, with the 3's and 4's out there. How is he not in the discussion to make this roster over Kolb.

Hard to imagine Kolb on the roster at all, no matter who does what. His eggs were scrambled so bad that he didn't even know his own name after the game. Given his past history with concussions, he is a likely IR candidate.

[OpIv37]

IR if he's lucky. He's likely done for good.

[The King]

IR if he's lucky. He's likely done for good.

At least we helped ease him into retirement with one last contract.

[gr8slayer]

Better than no football at all, my friend.
The annual Bills- Lions snoozefest, where our grocery baggers play your retail clerks!

[trapezeus]

leinart will also be cheaper than kolb. so the numbers king posted on kolb, i don't think leinart needs to even get that far. he just needs to look better than lewis.

if lewis looks equal to leinart, i think the bills keep lewis because they gave up a player to get him

[better days]

At least we helped ease him into retirement with one last contract.

Yeah, the Bills have that last contract down cold.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Ah the bandaid bowl, tell you what, why don't we just find the 24 drunkest Bills fans and 24 drunkest lions fans, suit them up and let them play all four quarters.

[Mace]

The one inevitability, the game will be a chaotic mess and people will get upset about it anyway. I'm looking forward to it. The game and people getting upset about it as well.

[SquishDaFish]

Anyone have links to watch online other than nfl.com. Im not paying for 1 game

[better days]

Listening to WGR. Tuel will NOT play at all. The Tuel box is closed.

Leinart has to show what he has.

[SpikedLemonade]

Listening to WGR. Tuel will NOT play at all. The Tuel box is closed.

Leinart has to show what he has.

That has to be some indication that Manuel is unlikely to start the Season Opener and thus they are not risking playing Tuel tonight.

[better days]

That has to be some indication that Manuel is unlikely to start the Season Opener and thus they are not risking playing Tuel tonight.

That could well be the case.

[braddavery]

Is the game on TV, or am I onlining it?

[better days]

Murph says Kolb LIKELY to IR.

I think you can take that to the bank.

[SpikedLemonade]

Murph says Kolb LIKELY to IR.

I think you can take that to the bank.

So I guess eventually an injury settlement and then bye bye.

[better days]

So I guess eventually an injury settlement and then bye bye.

Yeah, that looks like the plan.

[jamze132]

That has to be some indication that Manuel is unlikely to start the Season Opener and thus they are not risking playing Tuel tonight.

I mentioned that theory in another thread earlier.

If Tuel does get a bit of action, it might indicate that EJ will be a go for the opener.

[better days]

Dotwin intercepts, ball on the Detroit 37.

[better days]

3 & out Bills punt.

[Mace]

Was a decent throw by Leinart

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Is the game on TV, or am I onlining it?
No TV. You may not find it online, either.

[kishoph]

No Starters playing (good). Manuel up in the booth watching the game with Hackett (good idea).

[better days]

No Starters playing (good). Manuel up in the booth watching the game with Hackett (good idea).

I heard Manuel was throwing the ball in pregame warmups. GOOD sign.

[kishoph]

Heath's been burnt twice on long balls, luckily both were overthrown.

[better days]

Heath's been burnt twice on long balls, luckily both were overthrown.

Leinart bad throw, intercepted.

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Heath's been burnt twice on long balls, luckily both were overthrown.

heath will be lucky to make the PS.

[Mace]

Terrible throw by Leinart

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Leinart gonna leinart

[better days]

TD Lions on Heath. Like I said he will be lucky to make the PS.

[kishoph]

Leinart bad throw, intercepted.

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heath will be lucky to make the PS.

They should take the helmet away from him right now, terrible effort to make a tackle.

[Skooby]

Wow, I'm done watching Matt flop around.

[Mace]

For all the talk about Powell having a big leg, I just don't think he's any good In that position, it's a license to boom one and he kicks a 42 yarder without any particularly impressive hang time.

[SpikedLemonade]

I can't believe they did not give Tuel at least a couple of series. The Lions started Stafford. Surely if he were to get injured it is a much bigger loss than if Tuel got injured.

[Meathead]

the paint on my wall isnt drying but im still keeping a close eye on it

[ParanoidAndroid]

They look like they could give SUNY Brockport a good game.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I can't believe they did not give Tuel at least a couple of series. The Lions started Stafford. Surely if he were to get injured it is a much bigger loss than if Tuel got injured.
Do you remember Tarvaris Jackson's play when they first signed him? Heck, look at Leinart's tonight. Horrendous.

You cannot send a quarterback into a game, even a vanilla preseason game, with as little preparation time as Leinart and Lewis have had. If Tuel goes into the Patriots game next week they probably have 95% chance of losing. If Tuel goes down, too, that number shoots up to 100%, point-spreads in Vegas will shoot up to levels unseen in pro ball and bettors will still put their money on the Pats-- and win.

[better days]

the paint on my wall isnt drying but im still keeping a close eye on it

Maybe you added too much water to the paint.

[Mace]

I can't believe they did not give Tuel at least a couple of series. The Lions started Stafford. Surely if he were to get injured it is a much bigger loss than if Tuel got injured.

I don't know Schwartz is legendary for wise decisions in the case of Stafford. In the case of Tuel...yeah, I would have thought it might have been good to get him some reps but they need to know what Leinart and Lewis have, if anything.

[HAMMER]

Goodwin down

[Mace]

Maybe preseason games should just be touch football already.

[better days]

Goodwin injured trying to catch a Leinart pass. I will be pissed if this is serious.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Shoulder injury.... hopefully nothing torn.

[HAMMER]

Welch with a whiff, sack, end of 1st, no points from Bills.

[K-Gun]

concussion like symptoms?

[Buffalo Thriller]

This is ugly

[Mace]

As much as I really hate to say it, maybe they should just replace the preseason games with scrimmages.

[HAMMER]

Leinart picked yet again.

[better days]

21-0 Lions. Bell for the TD.

[HAMMER]

Joique Bell waltzes in for a TD, that was easy.

[Meathead]

is that how you say his name, 'yoyk' bell?

[kishoph]

Goodwin injured trying to catch a Leinart pass. I will be pissed if this is serious.


You couldn't blame Leinart for that, it was a nice pass.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Should have been PI on that throw to Easley...... In other news, Leinart sucks. Later in this news broadcast, the Bills suck.

[BillsFever21]

Another horrid performance. I'm sure these preseason games doesn't count like the first two preseason games did when we won. The delusional were ready to book playoff tickets especially after the first preseason game.

[Meathead]

or is it 'joyk' bell?

i always thought it was something like 'wah-keen' bell

[ParanoidAndroid]

Pough got blown up.

[Mace]

Another horrid performance. I'm sure these preseason games doesn't count like the first two preseason games did when we won. The delusional were ready to book playoff tickets especially after the first preseason game.

I was just delighted they were playing preseason like preseason. Back to normal standard now, I get horrified seeing any player I like risked. I think I finally reached the point in my football fandom though where even I think they need to do something about preseason games.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Official word on Goodwin now is that he was poked in the eye. I kid thee not.

[Homegrown]

Z Sanders ... another sack allowed

[SpikedLemonade]

I fear this may only be the 1st of 3 consecutive blow outs at home.

[Mace]

or is it 'joyk' bell?

i always thought it was something like 'wah-keen' bell

or "why-que". It's Joik. Why-Que would have been much cooler though.

[SpikedLemonade]

Z Sanders ... another sack allowed

Impossible! NTD said he is a great OL.

[Mace]

Official word on Goodwin now is that he was poked in the eye. I kid thee not.

Those foul unsportsmanly Lions swines.

[Homegrown]

Thad Lewis .... nice pass to the turf

[better days]

Another horrid performance. I'm sure these preseason games doesn't count like the first two preseason games did when we won. The delusional were ready to book playoff tickets especially after the first preseason game.

While the Lions played their starters, the Bills did not.

Not on the OL or DL or anywhere else. Add to that a QB with less than a weeks practice & it is no surprise how this game has gone.

[Mace]

Lewis did a Tebow.

[Homegrown]

3rd & 10 ... 2 yd dump off pass ... bring back Trent!!!

[better days]

Bills on the board. 3 points.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Sanders got manhandled. O-line is going to be high on the draft need list.

[Meathead]

so its pronounced the same way a jersey girl would say 'jerk'

[BillsFever21]

I was just delighted they were playing preseason like preseason. Back to normal standard now, I get horrified seeing any player I like risked. I think I finally reached the point in my football fandom though where even I think they need to do something about preseason games.

They were definitely trying to win the first couple games. They had most of their starters in the entire first half while the other team had most of their backups in by the 2nd quarter at the latest. That and we were blitzing more then you see in the preseason. Now that they're not trying to win while the other team isn't we're getting killed.

The 3rd preseason game is the dress rehearsal where most teams try and that's the one that was unwatchable. Amazing what happens when the other team is actually trying some and playing their starters against yours.

[better days]

so its pronounced the same way a jersey girl would say 'jerk'

Yes.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Brown is trying too hard to break something. Choice is definitely safe.

[Homegrown]

Nice - 4 plays, lions at the Bills 30 already

[better days]

They were definitely trying to win the first couple games. They had most of their starters in the entire first half while the other team had most of their backups in by the 2nd quarter at the latest. That and we were blitzing more then you see in the preseason. Now that they're not trying to win while the other team isn't we're getting killed.

The 3rd preseason game is the dress rehearsal where most teams try and that's the one that was unwatchable. Amazing what happens when the other team is actually trying some and playing their starters against yours.

The game was 7-7, then Kolb went out with the injury.

And I would sign any QB that the Skins cut at this point.

[Mace]

so its pronounced the same way a jersey girl would say 'jerk'

No, I made it up, it's pronounced Joy-queuie.

[stuckincincy]

2 net yards passing? :doh:

[better days]

No, I made it up, it's pronounced Joy-queuie.

Yeah, like a Jersey girl says jerk.

[Homegrown]

28-3 ... Bills should forfiet

[BillsFever21]

While the Lions played their starters, the Bills did not.

Not on the OL or DL or anywhere else. Add to that a QB with less than a weeks practice & it is no surprise how this game has gone.

Like how we played our starters most of the first half while the Colts and the Vikings didn't play some of their starters and had their QB's out of the game after a series or two? I guess them ones count but the bad ones don't.

It's also not like the Lions had all of their starters in and them ones weren't in very long. Stafford only threw 6 passes and Bush and Calvin Johnson were nowhere to be seen. Their two early TD's was with Shaun Hill and not Stafford. They are still killing us long after the starters our out of the game. Last time I checked Leinart isn't playing defense either.

It's just like last week the Redskins had Rex Grossman(3rd string) and Pat White(won't make the team) as their QB's and they still killed our starters on defense. You can't have it both way no matter how nice it would be.

I've always said I could care less about the preseason results. Just be consistent and don't make excuses when the Bills lose but then they are meaningful games when they win with most of our starters playing the entire first half. I guess that's the mindset of too many around here though.

[ParanoidAndroid]

OOB. They knocked him out before he got 2 feet down.

[SpikedLemonade]

28-3.

Can we just forfeit the 2nd half?

I can't imagine any real player evaluation is happening at this point.

[Mace]

They were definitely trying to win the first couple games. They had most of their starters in the entire first half while the other team had most of their backups in by the 2nd quarter at the latest. That and we were blitzing more then you see in the preseason. Now that they're not trying to win while the other team isn't we're getting killed.

The 3rd preseason game is the dress rehearsal where most teams try and that's the one that was unwatchable. Amazing what happens when the other team is actually trying some and playing their starters against yours.

The thing I'm hanging onto, is that they played the first 2 preseason games not necessarily to win, but how they intend to play, and they just happened to win well. I think I was more excited with the effort and what I figured were their schemes and philosophy.

But now we're just back to tryouts.

I think. I half think 5 starters will go down first game for not getting enough game action as opposed to 5 starters going down from getting too much game action.

[Meathead]

No, I made it up, it's pronounced Joy-queuie.

oh so hes french

[ParanoidAndroid]

I'm behind..... Ick.

[Meathead]

paint update: its still not drying. not that i just painted, its been dry for over a year. just keeping a close eye on it right now

[Homegrown]

Kellen Moore passing rating ... 134

[Mace]

oh so hes french

Michigan. Same thing.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Sad. This is no fun at all. No one wants to make a frickin' play.

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Yay. Special teams.

[better days]

Like how we played our starters most of the first half while the Colts and the Vikings didn't play some of their starters and had their QB's out of the game after a series or two? I guess them ones count but the bad ones don't.

It's also not like the Lions had all of their starters in and them ones weren't in very long. Stafford only threw 6 passes and Bush and Calvin Johnson were nowhere to be seen. Their two early TD's was with Shaun Hill and not Stafford. They are still killing us long after the starters our out of the game. Last time I checked Leinart isn't playing defense either.

It's just like last week the Redskins had Rex Grossman(3rd string) and Pat White(won't make the team) as their QB's and they still killed our starters on defense. You can't have it both way no matter how nice it would be.

I've always said I could care less about the preseason results. Just be consistent and don't make excuses when the Bills lose but then they are meaningful games when they win with most of our starters playing the entire first half. I guess that's the mindset of too many around here though.

I said in a different thread, I would take either Grossman or White when the Skins make their cuts.

Leinart can go back home. And yeah, I know he has not had a real chance with the Bills.

And many players in this game will not be on the Bills or Lions after this game.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Nice read by Jay Ross on the screen. Too bad no one else saw it coming.

[sudzy]

Got a good feeling about this year....NOT

[Mace]

Got a good feeling about this year....NOT

Geez, not from this game I hope.

[better days]

Nice read by Jay Ross on the screen. Too bad no one else saw it coming.

Ross may make this team. At least the PS.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Roby will not return punts....I hope.

[Blazenlo]

OMG! I can't take no more. Night all. :crap:

[stuckincincy]

The good news: only 6 penalties.

[Meathead]

if you look real close you can see pieces of fingernails stuck here and there from previous blacked out games

[Homegrown]

whoa ... this is like 'bama vs Sisters of the Poor

[ParanoidAndroid]

Sweet. Let's see if we can find a way to get Detroit another score. This might end up being a pre-season scoring record by the end.

[better days]

if you look real close you can see pieces of fingernails stuck here and there from previous blacked out games

The GOOD news..........................I did not PAY to watch this game.

[Meathead]

my blood pressure is spiking. i cant take all this excitement. im afraid im gonna have to stop the wall updates guys im sorry

[Skooby]

My stomach hurts just watching this.

[SpikedLemonade]

The Patriots will be 13.5 point favourites tomorrow.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Marrone does not mince words. I'll give him that, but his guys are either out of gas, don't want it enough, or they just plain suck.

[kishoph]

Brad Smith has no place on this team, especially while he's still making $1.5 Million after taking a cut.

[BillsFever21]

I said in a different thread, I would take either Grossman or White when the Skins make their cuts.

Leinart can go back home. And yeah, I know he has not had a real chance with the Bills.

And many players in this game will not be on the Bills or Lions after this game.

That's the same late in any preseason game. Same with the first couple games. We played our starters much longer then the Colts or Vikings did and yet we barely beat the Vikings.

I don't take much stock into preseason results and I'm playing devils advocate. The same people who said we were good after the first two preseason games are now either making excuses for the past couple or they act like they don't matter. It's called a double standard by the blind ones.

[Turf]

Fugly. I know we're vanilla, but do these guys possess any talent? We need CB's bad. I don't know if any coaching scheme can overcome this.

[Turf]

45 yards of offense. Do we have any receivers that can get open?

[better days]

That's the same late in any preseason game. Same with the first couple games. We played our starters much longer then the Colts or Vikings did and yet we barely beat the Vikings.

I don't take much stock into preseason results and I'm playing devils advocate. The same people who said we were good after the first two preseason games are now either making excuses for the past couple or they act like they don't matter. It's called a double standard by the blind ones.

Well, I enjoyed those two wins, but will take them for what they were PRESEASON wins over two good teams.

It is for real next week.

[ServoBillieves]

So the Bills 2 new quarterbacks who just learned the playbook and won't start week 1 suck.

Can't believe I didn't see that one coming.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Well..... mild sprain for Hogan.

[BillsFever21]

Preseason didn't matter in them two games. Even if we were playing our starters for 30 minutes while they played theirs for maybe 10 minutes. Not to mention not even playing all of their guys like Peterson, etc.

[stuckincincy]

RW's Detriot buddies must be howling...

[kingJofNYC]

No worries, they're just holding back for next week.... When they will truly get embarrassed.

[stuckincincy]

Onside kick practice coming up?

[better days]

So, how many players are we ALLOWED to cut?

I would cut 99% of the players in todays game.

[Turf]

Easley down, big surprise. How long are we going to hold out hope for this guy.

[BertSquirtgum]

I'm glad I didn't waste my time going to the game. I don't think I will even watch it tomorrow night. It sounds like it's been awful.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Make a frickin' tackle... Holding or not, all 3 guys weren't being held.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Sweet. Legursky now.

[ParanoidAndroid]

The Bills are going to have to watch a lot of tape from other teams to find a at least one DB and a couple O-linemen.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Leinart? /career

[Skooby]

Sweet. Legursky now. There goes any chance at depth.

[stuckincincy]

Sweet. Legursky now.

Does it look like anything serious?

[ParanoidAndroid]

Carted off. :(

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Lewis looks like he can run the offense.

[ServoBillieves]

How bad were Leinarts INT's? Like, straight to the defender bad, thrown in to oblivion bad, off the receivers hands bad or "why is this guy in an NFL uniform" bad?

[stuckincincy]

Carted off. :(

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Lewis looks like he can run the offense.

Jerry Lewis? He's good at telethons...

[Skooby]

Does it look like anything serious?

ACL / MCL injury possibly, yes it's serious.

[ParanoidAndroid]

There ya go. Now I can turn this **** show off.

[The King]

Swap Leinart for Lewis in my OP.

[ParanoidAndroid]

How bad were Leinarts INT's? Like, straight to the defender bad, thrown in to oblivion bad, off the receivers hands bad or "why is this guy in an NFL uniform" bad?

Stupid bad. Like, he had no chance but threw it anyway.

[stuckincincy]

Sigh. A 30 yard in the air pass with 7 minutes left. If it was a designed play, why would you run that and piddle away evaluation time? :wtf:

[Parzival]

Looks like I won't waste my time watching the replay. Reading this thread was depressing enough.

[Mr. Pink]

Thad Lewis should be our week 1 starter if EJ can't go.

Didn't watch the game but looked at his line plus he actually looked like he belonged at the NFL level against the Steelers D last year.

Tuel or Lewis we ain't beating the Pats but still.