Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

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  • BillsImpossible
    Registered User
    • Mar 2013
    • 16206

    Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

    Happens every year. Team drafts a young player, they play well enough to start and the next thing you know a good veteran gets released because they make too much money.

    Some teams are forced to cut veterans because they don't have enough cap space to sign their future core players.

    Troy Vincent was released by the Bills, and picked up by Washington.

    Lawyer Milloy was released by the Patriots, and picked up by the Bills.

    Teams with the least salary cap room:

    Carolina Panthers
    Dallas Cowboys
    KC Chiefs
    Oakland Raiders
    New Orleans Saints
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    St. Louis Rams
    Washington Redskins

    The Bills need a decent/average veteran cornerback to start on opening day. I hope they find their guy soon.
  • SpikedLemonade
    • Jun 2024

    #2
    Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

    You assume the Bills are prepared to spend some of their $20M in available cap space.

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    • OpIv37
      Acid Douching Asswipe
      • Sep 2002
      • 101261

      #3
      Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

      Here we go again... The annual "we are going to fix all our problems by signing other teams' trash a week before the season starts" thread.

      Milloy was 2003. Vincent was 2005 or 2006 IIRC. Got any more recent examples?

      Cap cuts that land with another team after last cut and succeed are rare. It's the old BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.
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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101261

        #4
        Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

        Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
        You assume the Bills are prepared to spend some of their $20M in available cap space.
        Yeah- that money is where it belongs: stuffed in Ralph Wilson's mattress.
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        • Bangarang
          Registered User
          • Sep 2010
          • 1686

          #5
          Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

          Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
          You assume the Bills are prepared to spend some of their $20M in available cap space.
          Did we not just give Wood a long term deal just minutes ago?

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          • BillsImpossible
            Registered User
            • Mar 2013
            • 16206

            #6
            Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

            Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
            Here we go again... The annual "we are going to fix all our problems by signing other teams' trash a week before the season starts" thread.

            Milloy was 2003. Vincent was 2005 or 2006 IIRC. Got any more recent examples?

            Cap cuts that land with another team after last cut and succeed are rare. It's the old BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.
            Those were just examples from the Bills, but I'm sure every team in the NFL has had to release a good quality veteran player come time to trim the roster down to 53. Cap casualty cuts aren't the exception to the rule, they happen every year.

            Here is an example from last year:

            Based upon media reports and team announcements, here are some other notable veterans who are now on the market after being cut before Friday night’s 9 p.m. NFL roster deadline.

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            • SpikedLemonade
              • Jun 2024

              #7
              Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

              Originally posted by Bangarang View Post
              Did we not just give Wood a long term deal just minutes ago?
              Did we give him $20M a year starting this year rather than next year?

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              • Bangarang
                Registered User
                • Sep 2010
                • 1686

                #8
                Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                Did we give him $20M a year starting this year rather than next year?
                Your original point was taking a shot at the front office that we won't use our cap space to sign players. I pointed out that we just used what im speculatin yo be a reasonable amount just minutes ago on a good player. Considering the last few years, this team has spent considerable money signing and resigning players.

                Now you're trying to backtrack because we haven't used every available dollar we have? Okay.

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                • The Popcorn
                  Cincinatti > Buffalo
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 1379

                  #9
                  Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                  Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                  You assume the Bills are prepared to spend some of their $20M in available cap space.
                  Wasn't there a rule stating that teams had to spend a certain percent of their cap or be fined the amount they are short? I can't remember.
                  The Popcorn and Terrell Owens are coming to a town near you.

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                  • GingerP
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 1717

                    #10
                    Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                    Originally posted by The Popcorn View Post
                    Wasn't there a rule stating that teams had to spend a certain percent of their cap or be fined the amount they are short? I can't remember.
                    This is the first year the minimum cap rules kick in.

                    Starting this year, teams have to spend to 89% of the cap. However, that isn't hard to do, especially since it is cash-based and not cap-based. One big extension can basically get a team there, and the Bills just did one with Wood. Teams need to do this to comply, so the punishment would be the same as going over the cap (in other words, everyone will comply). This really isn't a hard floor to meet and won't have the dramatic impact most think.

                    The real cap floor is league-wide. The league is required to spend to 95% to the cap for all teams. However, this is based on cash-spent and not cap space. If the league is under that floor, they have to give the difference to the players (though I'm not sure how it is dispersed). Some teams spend way over and some teams under, so it is a matter of the average being at 95%.

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                    • GingerP
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1717

                      #11
                      Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                      Drayton Florence was released by Carolina. He is probably washed up (32 now), but did have a good year here a few years ago.

                      Carolina also released Jimmy Claussen, though I personally don't think much of him. He was a 2nd round pick a few years ago.
                      Last edited by GingerP; 08-31-2013, 07:53 AM.

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                      • GingerP
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 1717

                        #12
                        Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                        jason LaCanfora is reporting the Seahawks will released Antoine Winfield. Given how weak the Bills are in the secondary, maybe they can bring him back to end his career.

                        Apparently, they will try to trade him first, but will cut him if they can't.
                        Last edited by GingerP; 08-31-2013, 08:01 AM.

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                        • better days
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 22028

                          #13
                          Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                          Originally posted by GingerP View Post
                          jason LaCanfora is reporting the Seahawks will released Antoine Winfield. Given how weak the Bills are in the secondary, maybe they can bring him back to end his career.

                          Apparently, they will try to trade him first, but will cut him if they can't.
                          Would love to see Winfield back in Buffalo. Give a 7th for him Whaley, git er done.

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                          • GingerP
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1717

                            #14
                            Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                            Originally posted by better days View Post
                            Would love to see Winfield back in Buffalo. Give a 7th for him Whaley, git er done.
                            His contract is 1 Year/$2M ($500K SB/$500K salary guarantee), and additional money tied to incentives. Seattle would eat the $500K SB in a trade, so the Bills would get him with a $1.5M cap number. That is affordable.

                            It was reported before he signed with Seattle that Minnesota, Washington & maybe Denver were also interested in him. Washington is tight against the cap (rumor is they may cut Santana Moss to make room), but Minnesota would probably be the biggest competitor for his services. It was reported that he turned down a guaranteed 1 Yr/$3M deal with Minnesota to sign with Seattle. He said at the time that his biggest priority was to play with a team that could compete for a Super Bowl, so that hurts the Bills.

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                            • better days
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 22028

                              #15
                              Re: Cap Casualty Cuts Are Coming

                              Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                              You assume the Bills are prepared to spend some of their $20M in available cap space.
                              Marrone said there are two times a year you can improve your team & now is one of them.

                              YES, I expect the Bills to spend some money.

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