Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

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  • The King
    Without me it's just Awe so
    • Jun 2004
    • 42380

    Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

    Look I am not anointing EJ Manuel as the next Jim Kelly, I am not even prepared to say he's the next Andy Dalton. But I will say for a quarterback who was so criticized in the draft as being a prospect, a player who needed 2 years to develop, EJ very much looks the part of an NFL Quarterback.

    His 95.9 QB rating has him top ten in the NFL. Above guys like Brady, Brees, Griffin, Eli and Roethlisberger.
    Credit goes to Marrone and Hackett for putting him in a position to complete high percentage passes and avoid mistakes. However EJ has to be smart enough to execute the game plan and the throws. And he's doing that.

    He's top also 5 in completion percentage.
    Does he check down a lot. Hell ya he does. But when you have Freddy and CJ, tell me why he should force it when these guys can turn a 3 yard dump into a 8 yard gain. Watch Brady in 2001. This was his entire season.

    He's only been sacked once.
    Sam Bradford is the only QB yet to be sacked. Manuels first sack was a costly one as he was stripped in the process. But Summers was completely destroyed on this play. EJ has shown great awareness and the type of escapability people go nuts for when it's Newton or Griffin.

    NFL.com
    WEAKNESSES

    Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy -- short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.
    NFL COMPARISON

    Blaine Gabbert
    BOTTOM LINE

    As gifted as any quarterback in the class, with a strong arm and good mobility. Scouts appreciate his leadership qualities and toughness (played through his mom's cancer treatments and a broken leg in 2011's Champs Sports Bowl win over Notre Dame), and hope he can improve on his consistency. Manuel has the velocity and mobility teams look for in a project quarterback.
    CBS
    With great size, athleticism and intriguing arm talent, Manuel has as much upside as any quarterback in the 2013 draft. But despite statistical gains in 2012, Manuel largely remains the unpolished passer he was a year ago. His tendency to rely on initial reads and vacate the pocket when pressured could lead to significant growing pains in the NFL if pushed onto the field early.
    Walter Football
    Manuel is going to need a lot of work at the next level on the practice field and in the film room before he is ready to be a starter. There is no doubt that Manuel has the athletic skill set to be a special player, but he will require developmental time in the NFL.

    Weaknesses:Not a natural passer
    Decision-making
    Field vision
    Struggles to work through progressions
    Runs to quickly
    Spotty accuracy
    Can panic at times
    Didn't play as well against good defenses
    and finally.

    Todd McShay ESPN
    "EJ Manuel has tremendous upside; don't get me wrong," McShay said. "He's big. He has a strong arm. He's got the mobility. But when you look at him and you study his tape, I think he has slow eyes. I think he's late with his throws. He does not anticipate the way you need to as an NFL quarterback, and I also think his accuracy is nowhere near where it needs to be.
    "I had him as the sixth-best quarterback in this draft, and he winds up as the first quarterback taken."

    "I think it's going to be a long time before he's ready," McShay said. "That doesn't mean he's not going to be on the field, but it's going to be a long time before he's NFL-ready as a quarterback. This is not a great pick for the Buffalo Bills."

    Look, EJ has work to do. He needs to balance his game, and continue to develop. But this is his team now, he's shown he can compete on the big stage.
    He's going to have some ups and downs but he's already proven many of these assessments wrong. Time will further develop chemistry, film study will help his reads, and his confidence will grow. It's going to be to watch him continue to prove people wrong.



    Last edited by The King; 09-16-2013, 11:21 AM.
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    "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
    You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
    It was all
    true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
    He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
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  • MikeInRoch
    Registered User
    • Sep 2003
    • 10446

    #2
    Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

    He's ahead of where I thought he'd be, but he does still need some work. That interception was brutal.
    "'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"

    "Eh, Phil. That's one I happen to agree with."

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    • Mr. Miyagi
      Lecter's Little *****

      • Sep 2002
      • 53616

      #3
      Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

      NFL COMPARISON

      Blaine Gabbert
      WTF

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      • chernobylwraiths
        Registered User
        • Jan 2003
        • 41838

        #4
        Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

        I like what I see, he seems to have intangibles that I feel a good QB needs. He seems to feel the pressure, he has escapability, he has a strong arm and he seems to have a level head and be calm under pressure. I will take the growing pains because he looks like the best prospect we've had at QB since Bledsoe left and certainly the best young QB we have maybe ever had. Kelly had his seasoning in the USFL, so we kind of knew what we were getting when he finally got signed.

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        • justasportsfan
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 71580

          #5
          Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

          he may have not been NFL ready when drafted but it seems Marrone got him ready. Getting more snaps at camp by cutting Tjax is paying dividends.
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          • DraftBoy
            Administrator
            • Jul 2002
            • 107434

            #6
            Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

            Its still a wee bit early to be talking who may be right or wrong about him. There is plenty that needs to be worked on and let's see how he responds to the way NFL defenses adjust to him.
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            • Ginger Vitis
              Registered User
              • Feb 2009
              • 3451

              #7
              Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

              Todd McShay had EJ as the 6th best QB in the 2013 QB class. McShay probably had Tyler Wilson in his Top 5

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              • justasportsfan
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 71580

                #8
                Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                Its still a wee bit early to be talking who may be right or wrong about him. There is plenty that needs to be worked on and let's see how he responds to the way NFL defenses adjust to him.
                I agree it's early but based on the way people were talking about how bad this draft was for qb's and that he wasn't even the best qb in his class, Ej had no business looking as good as he has . Mind you , against BB and a very good front 7 in the panthers. Better qb's have been embarrassed by those 2.
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                • Thief
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 820

                  #9
                  Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                  Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                  Its still a wee bit early to be talking who may be right or wrong about him. There is plenty that needs to be worked on and let's see how he responds to the way NFL defenses adjust to him.
                  I think WHEN NFL defenses adjust for him, all they are gonna do is open up things for CJ. ;-)

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                  • Mr. Pink
                    Peterman Sucks!
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 35303

                    #10
                    Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                    Does he look like he's fully ready to you yet?

                    He's absolutely brutal with his accuracy, especially 10 yards + downfield, and has happy feet.

                    It's a work in progress.

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                    • justasportsfan
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71580

                      #11
                      Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                      Originally posted by Mr. Pink View Post
                      Does he look like he's fully ready to you yet?

                      He's absolutely brutal with his accuracy, especially 10 yards + downfield, and has happy feet.

                      It's a work in progress.
                      no one is saying he's superbowl ready but he seems better than what people thought he'd be.
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                      • Bills Juggernaut
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 343

                        #12
                        Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                        Yeah, needs to improve down field throws. Lots of "floaters". Needs to get some zip + better accuracy on those. Not sure if it's an arm strength/throwing motion issue, or if it just a confidence/accuracy issue.
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                        • The King
                          Without me it's just Awe so
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 42380

                          #13
                          Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                          Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
                          no one is saying he's superbowl ready but he seems better than what people thought he'd be.
                          Right. Which is why I opened with that sentence. He more NFL ready than Fitzpatrick.
                          I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
                          "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
                          You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
                          It was all
                          true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
                          He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
                          mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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                          • Pinkerton Security
                            Pinkerton's son
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 6003

                            #14
                            Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                            His stare-down INT where Kuechly basically just walked right in front of Woods(?) was rookie-esque, but what impressed me the most was his play down the stretch. He got more comfortable as the game went on, and as the plays became more critical. He has lots to improve upon but theres every reason for optimism with him.

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                            • Meathead
                              Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 21349

                              #15
                              Re: Wasn't EJ supposed to be not NFL ready?

                              im not sure hes better than fitz but hes also got infinitely more upside going forward

                              one thing thats very familiar btwn the two is that ej also has a tendency to routinely rip off some 'wtf' throws. so far his long ball has been atrociously inaccurate, but he also tosses shorter completeable balls into the gatorade too often like fitz used to do. hes going to need to lower the percentage of those wtf balls if he wants to become the franchise guy we all want him to be
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