C.J. Spiller: Defenses daring Buffalo Bills to pass more

[justasportsfan]

"They pretty much put a lot of people in the box and dared our passing game to beat them," Spiller said, suggesting things won't get easier until EJ Manuel consistently connects on downfield throws, per The News.


"I mean, that's gonna be the model," Spiller said. "If I'm a defensive coordinator, that'd be my biggest thing too, is to stop our run and pretty much make our rookie quarterback beat us."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000249948/article/cj-spiller-defenses-daring-buffalo-bills-to-pass-more

same thing as when Fitz was the qb. I seriously hope EJ can get better. Whether or not he does, he needs to have a qb - wr camp next off season. Maybe they can stay at Fitz's place in Ariz.

[OpIv37]

I said that this would happen months ago...

[justasportsfan]

I said that this would happen months ago...

you want a medal for stating the obvious when teams have a rookie qb?

[TacklingDummy]

So CJ is that your excuse for 43 Attempts, 153 yards, 3.6 YPA, 0 TDs...
compared to Fred "We should cut" Jacksons, 32 Att, 169 yards, 5.3 YPA, 1 TD?

Nice way to throw your teammate under the bus for your own poor performance.

[jimmifli]

So CJ is that your excuse for 43 Attempts, 153 yards, 3.6 YPA, 0 TDs...
compared to Fred "We should cut" Jacksons, 32 Att, 169 yards, 5.3 YPA, 1 TD?

Nice way to throw your teammate under the bus for your own poor performance.

Different styles and skill sets. Fred is a really good RB in any scheme. CJ is only a great RB in space.

Chan got him into open space. Hackett hasn't.

[justasportsfan]

So CJ is that your excuse for 43 Attempts, 153 yards, 3.6 YPA, 0 TDs...
compared to Fred "We should cut" Jacksons, 32 Att, 169 yards, 5.3 YPA, 1 TD?

Nice way to throw your teammate under the bus for your own poor performance.How is he throwing his teammate under the bus by stating the obvious?

[Mr. Pink]

Awesome he's making excuses already.

His teammate can run just fine in the same situation.

All Day can run just fine with a QB as pathetic as here.

Suck it up buttercup, stop dancing and hit a hole. If there is no hole go get 2 yards instead of running around in the backfield losing 5.

[TacklingDummy]

How is he throwing his teammate under the bus by stating the obvious?

He's blaming EJ for his own poor performance.
I smell a locker room cancer. ;)
When's CJ's contract up? We can start *****ing about the Bills not resigning him now.

[OpIv37]

you want a medal for stating the obvious when teams have a rookie qb?

No I want people to stop accusing me of being negative only to turn around and say "well all you did was state the obvious" when I turn out to be right.

[OpIv37]

Awesome he's making excuses already.

His teammate can run just fine in the same situation.

All Day can run just fine with a QB as pathetic as here.

Suck it up buttercup, stop dancing and hit a hole. If there is no hole go get 2 yards instead of running around in the backfield losing 5.

Already? Before, it was the coaches not utilizing him properly. Now, it's the other team stacking the box.

[Meathead]

for the love of dog would somebody pleease explain to me why you dont run slants when there isnt a defender within twenty square yards of the middle of the field

[stuckincincy]

Different styles and skill sets. Fred is a really good RB in any scheme. CJ is only a great RB in space.

Chan got him into open space. Hackett hasn't.

Dunno about open space with CJ.

If I read these charts correctly, BUF led the league in run plays to the middle.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2012

After 3 games this year, they still do.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

[OpIv37]

for the love of dog would somebody pleease explain to me why you dont run slants when there isnt a defender within twenty square yards of the middle of the field

During the game, I said to my dad "we must be the only team in the NFL that can't execute a slant." That was on a third and short after we got stuffed trying to run it up the middle for about the 10th straight time.

[Meathead]

theyre obviously afraid of the rookie throwing a pick under all that pressure but jeez when the middle is THAT wide open youd think the trade off is acceptable. any reception is probably going to go for fifteen yards at a minimum

god i wish somebody would ask the coaches that question. im dying for a decent answer. when i think of that game all i can see now is that graphic where one of the announcers circled the huge wide open space on the field with the telestrator, then it happened again and again and again ... with every throw down the sidelines

i erased the game from my dvr as soon as i got home from my folks house but now i wish i could watch that sequence over again just to try to deconstruct why tf they would do something like that. bugging the crap outta me

[justasportsfan]

No I want people to stop accusing me of being negative only to turn around and say "well all you did was state the obvious" when I turn out to be right.

anyone who knows football knows that teams will dare rookies to beat them. It's no big secret. If you get a kick of saying "I told you so , I was right" for that congrats. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

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He's blaming EJ for his own poor performance.
I smell a locker room cancer. ;)
When's CJ's contract up? We can start *****ing about the Bills not resigning him now.

this is trolling.

[jimmifli]

Dunno about open space with CJ.

If I read these charts correctly, BUF led the league in run plays to the middle.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2012

After 3 games this year, they still do.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

A lot of Chan's runs up the gut were out of 3 and 4 wide. We'd have 5 blockers on four rushers, with one, maybe two LB's playing 5 yards off the LOS supporting the run and worried about the slant. The rest of their team was in coverage. So CJ knew where the double team would be presnap and just has to evaluate of the hole opened up, if it did he's in open field at full speed vs a LB. Worst case scenario is a shoestring tackle - gain of eight. He routinely ran against 5 or 6 men in the box.

This season he's facing 8.

Running up the middle isn't always 3 yards and a cloud of dirt.

And I don't blame EJ, sure he's got to hit the deep ball and beat the blitz. But if he isn't the OC has to spread the field horizontally, give him quick slants. Open a little space for CJ.

I blame Hackett. He hasn't showed anything to prove he's ready for this job.

[Meathead]

During the game, I said to my dad "we must be the only team in the NFL that can't execute a slant." That was on a third and short after we got stuffed trying to run it up the middle for about the 10th straight time.

id also like that explained

great, you want to establish you can get the short yardage on the ground. great, you stick with it bc you need the work and youre confident your guys are close to getting it right. fine. but in the 2nd half when youve been stuffed harder than amanda bynes paper medication cup why not try the slant. hell, most teams rely on that play for first downs longer than a yard

its early but its starting to look like hackett might have some splainin to do

[Thief]

Dunno about open space with CJ.

If I read these charts correctly, BUF led the league in run plays to the middle.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2012

After 3 games this year, they still do.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/olExcept this year their guards suck and there is no space, lol.

[jimmifli]

theyre obviously afraid of the rookie throwing a pick under all that pressure but jeez when the middle is THAT wide open youd think the trade off is acceptable. any reception is probably going to go for fifteen yards at a minimum

god i wish somebody would ask the coaches that question. im dying for a decent answer. when i think of that game all i can see now is that graphic where one of the announcers circled the huge wide open space on the field with the telestrator, then it happened again and again and again ... with every throw down the sidelines

i erased the game from my dvr as soon as i got home from my folks house but now i wish i could watch that sequence over again just to try to deconstruct why tf they would do something like that. bugging the crap outta me
They don't want him trying to read the LB's coverage. It's the only explanation.

I feel like nearly every pass has been to a receiver in man coverage. Even the pass to Chandler over the middle was essentially man coverage.

[OpIv37]

id also like that explained

great, you want to establish you can get the short yardage on the ground. great, you stick with it bc you need the work and youre confident your guys are close to getting it right. fine. but in the 2nd half when youve been stuffed harder than amanda bynes paper medication cup why not try the slant. hell, most teams rely on that play for first downs longer than a yard

its early but its starting to look like hackett might have some splainin to do

Yeah I'm frustrated by this coaching staff's stubbornness. I don't mind sticiking with the no huddle as a base O even if it's not working perfectly, but it's stupid to not try to kill some clock when you have a late lead. And previous coaching staffs have given up on the run too early, but Marrone and Hackett stick to it too long. Clearly, we weren't good enough to run up the middle against them but our coaches were still trying late in the 4th.

I just don't get the inflexibility.

[justasportsfan]

My problem with HAckett is that they don't have a designed play for EJ to run for that 1st down markey on 3rd or 4th downs. They finally did a play action last sunday and Ej ran it for a 1st down. Of all the plays Hackett should repeat, it's plays like that when that happens. Get EJ moving.

[sukie]

My problem with HAckett is that they don't have a designed play for EJ to run for that 1st down markey on 3rd or 4th downs. They finally did a play action last sunday and Ej ran it for a 1st down. Of all the plays Hackett should repeat, it's plays like that when that happens. Get EJ moving.

How do you know there isn't a designed play but not used to this point?

[Meathead]

A lot of Chan's runs up the gut were out of 3 and 4 wide.

i was thinking that earlier

you could tell chan was a good ocoach bc he made that unit work right away and no matter what piece he had. think about this, lots of the guys he used (wrs mostly) are out of the nfl already, not even good enough to stay on a roster. chan forced defenses to defend the whole field, which sounds simple but really is quite difficult and he was masterful at that part of the game. chan is gone cuz he hitched his wagon to edwards and pornstachio, the latter still probably the biggest disappointment compared to expectations ive ever had in sports

besides, even if hackett/marrone wanted to run that kind of offense i dont think they could with manuel. too much going on across the field, too many eye adjustments, etc. thats why they got kolb who still probably woulda started the season if he hadnt got hurt, to use the whole field. even if they decided to go with manuel they still would have to cut the playbook in half or more

[justasportsfan]

How do you know there isn't a designed play but not used to this point?

maybe it's there but why no call it then isntead of a dink play where the entire D is covering 5-10 yards out?

[Meathead]

How do you know there isn't a designed play but not used to this point?

lol. i think he knew that. so did you

but yeah why not let ej run more than one keeper on that read option you ran like twenty times? i realize hes not a running qb but when its THAT wide open, again i think its worth the risk at that point. hes plenty good enough with his legs to rip off ten yards like he did the one time they ran it from there. as the announcers said, the advantage of that play is worthless if you arent a threat to let the qb take it the opposite way

same thing with the middle of the field question, just let ej run out of the option a few times and see if it punishes the jets enough to force them to stop total committment to one defensive call

[stuckincincy]

A lot of Chan's runs up the gut were out of 3 and 4 wide. We'd have 5 blockers on four rushers, with one, maybe two LB's playing 5 yards off the LOS supporting the run and worried about the slant. The rest of their team was in coverage. So CJ knew where the double team would be presnap and just has to evaluate of the hole opened up, if it did he's in open field at full speed vs a LB. Worst case scenario is a shoestring tackle - gain of eight. He routinely ran against 5 or 6 men in the box.

This season he's facing 8.

Running up the middle isn't always 3 yards and a cloud of dirt.

And I don't blame EJ, sure he's got to hit the deep ball and beat the blitz. But if he isn't the OC has to spread the field horizontally, give him quick slants. Open a little space for CJ.

I blame Hackett. He hasn't showed anything to prove he's ready for this job.

Yes - 8 in the box. That's exactly what the opposition will do against a diminished OL and a rookie qb, along with a wr corps with 3 rookies.

Hackett. He damn sure is calling lousy plays.

Not uncommon. I've seen OCs through the years, panicking when down by 7 or 10 points at the start of the half. Abandoning the run, abandoning draws, abandoning screens, abandoning quick outs, etc. Forget a chip TE block, drift to the middle, possible target or a feign to draw coverage. Nah, it's 30 degree angle cut to the sideline streaker, forget about having the wr go 12 or so and make a hard halt and turn aroud or cut inside.


I sincerely hope BUF inks FB Connor. Cut Summers for roster space. I watched him play last season and in the pre season. He looked like a Sam Gash or Lorenzo Neal in progress. CIN should have regrettably cut TE Charles and retained Connor, IMO.

[trapezeus]

i get that they might be sensitive to running EJ with the knee surgery and all, but then have a different play. There was a couple plays in the JAX game where spiller and FJ were in the backfield and those went for positive yards. and the flexibility of faking the run, tossing to spiller on a screen, etc really prevents the d from t-ing off on run right.

The coaches are not helping this team. and as i said somehwere else, the coaches have been handcuffed by being given a 6-10 team and then having 2 of the best players removed and then additional depth removed.

The chance to be different and surprising was to beat the pats and be a KC team that has its issues but is playing with swagger. the vets are already performing the same quotes as last year.

[Meathead]

i completely understand not wanting him to have to read the lbs too often but its the sheer size of the wide open space that alarms me. theres no lb in the world that could hide and then make up enough space to snag a pass to tj graham running a slant to that fat of a part of the open field. at some point it gets redikilis and i think we crossed that line sunday. which is why id like to hear a coaches answer

i mean am i imagining it or have you ever seen the middle of a defensive field looking that wide open that many times? a team might do it like that once every ten games just bc they saw something or wanted to take a chance confusing the offense in a critical time sensitive situation. but to do it over and over and nausiatingly over again is what shocks me

man i wish i hadnt erased that game. im dying to punish myself and watch it again now

[TacklingDummy]

He's blaming EJ for his own poor performance.
I smell a locker room cancer. ;)
When's CJ's contract up? We can start *****ing about the Bills not resigning him now.






this is trolling.
I'll admit the 2nd sentence was.
But in case it does happen, I'll be the first to have said it.

[TacklingDummy]

We used Dareus brother dying for his performance last year, maybe someone can blame CJs performance on his step grandfather.

[Mr. Pink]

My problem with HAckett is that they don't have a designed play for EJ to run for that 1st down markey on 3rd or 4th downs. They finally did a play action last sunday and Ej ran it for a 1st down. Of all the plays Hackett should repeat, it's plays like that when that happens. Get EJ moving.

This might be because of the procedure EJ had to his knee. It may not be 100% yet or EJ might not feel confident about it or a combination of the two. The plays might be designed but EJ is afraid to do it because of his knee or they are not designed yet to protect the perceived franchise QB's health.

[Mr. Pink]

We used Dareus brother dying for his performance last year, maybe someone can blame CJs performance on his step grandfather.

Dareus is a bust. Somehow we took the worst player out of that first round.

That takes some skills.

[DraftBoy]

Dareus is a bust. Somehow we took the worst player out of that first round.

That takes some skills.

The worst? Blaine Gabbert went 7 picks later. Ras-I Dowling is currently a Free Agent, and Christian Ponder and Mark Ingram have done far less than Dareus has.

[justasportsfan]

This might be because of the procedure EJ had to his knee. It may not be 100% yet or EJ might not feel confident about it or a combination of the two. The plays might be designed but EJ is afraid to do it because of his knee or they are not designed yet to protect the perceived franchise QB's health.

EJ's been scrambling.

[Mr. Pink]

The worst? Blaine Gabbert went 7 picks later. Ras-I Dowling is currently a Free Agent, and Christian Ponder and Mark Ingram have done far less than Dareus has.

QBs are always overdrafted, we did it this past year. Happens in the NFL.

And come on we're the Buffalo Bills, we keep guys regardless of how they perform...if we drafted Dowling, he'd still be here and people would be making excuses and saying he still needs time to fully develop and we can't judge him because he's young and *insert excuse here*

Ingram is another chump though.

[DraftBoy]

QBs are always overdrafted, we did it this past year. Happens in the NFL.

And come on we're the Buffalo Bills, we keep guys regardless of how they perform...if we drafted Dowling, he'd still be here and people would be making excuses and saying he still needs time to fully develop and we can't judge him because he's young and *insert excuse here*

Ingram is another chump though.

How does any of that change the point that Dareus is far and away not close to the worst pick of the first round?

[Mr. Pink]

How does any of that change the point that Dareus is far and away not close to the worst pick of the first round?

Because we drafted Dareus 3rd overall. 3rd overall is where you're supposed to get a "superstar" type of player.

You throw out Ingram who was drafted 28th overall.

The higher a player is a drafted the more he's expected to perform, the less he lives up to those expectations the more of a bust he is. So all things being equal if Dareus is as unproductive as Ingram or Ponder or Gabbert - he is, the worse of a pick he is.

Dowling was taken in the 2nd round, btw.

[coastal]

I would have taken Mike Iupati instead of CJ but wtf do I know.

[coastal]

i completely understand not wanting him to have to read the lbs too often but its the sheer size of the wide open space that alarms me. theres no lb in the world that could hide and then make up enough space to snag a pass to tj graham running a slant to that fat of a part of the open field. at some point it gets redikilis and i think we crossed that line sunday. which is why id like to hear a coaches answer

i mean am i imagining it or have you ever seen the middle of a defensive field looking that wide open that many times? a team might do it like that once every ten games just bc they saw something or wanted to take a chance confusing the offense in a critical time sensitive situation. but to do it over and over and nausiatingly over again is what shocks me

man i wish i hadnt erased that game. im dying to punish myself and watch it again now
Maybe the more you say it the more intelligent it will sound... it's worked so well for your racial rants.

[TacklingDummy]

Dareus is a bust. Somehow we took the worst player out of that first round.

That takes some skills.

Not the worst, but definitely in the Top 5.

[TacklingDummy]

The worst? Blaine Gabbert went 7 picks later. Ras-I Dowling is currently a Free Agent, and Christian Ponder and Mark Ingram have done far less than Dareus has.

Dowling was 2nd round.

[Mr. Pink]

Not the worst, but definitely in the Top 5.

The only player you can even compare him to as far as being terrible is Gabbert, imo.

Gabbert went later and has no talent outside of MJD around him. Dareus has all sorts of talent lining up next to him, even if they all under perform.

[stuckincincy]

How does any of that change the point that Dareus is far and away not close to the worst pick of the first round?

BUF needed a DT. He was the acclaimed one.

The situation is that the next 4 drafted after him hit it big time, and Dareus is still a work in progress. Hope it works out, but after 2 seasons, I don't think he's yet on the list to specifically game plan against.

[jimmifli]

Dareus is the same age as EJ. He's younger than Carolina's 1st round DT this year Star Lotulelei.

[Thief]

I dunno how this tread started talking about Dareus, but he reminds me of a cuddly teddy bear. And I don't want out DT reminding me of a cuddly teddy bear. lol

[Typ0]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000249948/article/cj-spiller-defenses-daring-buffalo-bills-to-pass-more

same thing as when Fitz was the qb. I seriously hope EJ can get better. Whether or not he does, he needs to have a qb - wr camp next off season. Maybe they can stay at Fitz's place in Ariz.

That's why Gailey was doomed with Fitz in there. He was a KNOWN. He had done enough work in the NFL if they didn't know what they were getting they made a big mistake...and that's why Fitz is a decent short term backup but not the guy you want the $$$$ on. EJ is an UNKNOWN. Time will tell if he can get the job done. We are better off in the long term with an unknown than someone you know won't get it done ...

[justasportsfan]

That's why Gailey was doomed with Fitz in there. He was a KNOWN. He had done enough work in the NFL if they didn't know what they were getting they made a big mistake...and that's why Fitz is a decent short term backup but not the guy you want the $$$$ on. EJ is an UNKNOWN. Time will tell if he can get the job done. We are better off in the long term with an unknown than someone you know won't get it done ...

I agree. I just hope EJ can fix his accuracy problems.

[Meathead]

Maybe the more you say it the more intelligent it will sound... it's worked so well for your racial rants.

dear god if hackett is as dense as the hive then im rooting for the dolphins

[jills]

Dareus is the same age as EJ. He's younger than Carolina's 1st round DT this year Star Lotulelei.



And?


Just because he's younger doesn't mean he's going to get better with age.


Remember Okoye?

[coastal]

Not the worst, but definitely in the Top 5.


dear god if hackett is as dense as the hive then im rooting for the dolphins
I actually agree with u.

The he biggest offensive weakness we've had year on year is to attack the intermediate routes and middle of the field in the passing game.

i honestly can't remember the last time we hit someone on a crossing pattern only to watch them go RAC.

hitch. Catch. Tackle.

[jimmifli]

And?


Just because he's younger doesn't mean he's going to get better with age.
No it definitely doesn't.

Do you think it's reasonable to expect younger players will take longer to develop than older players?

[BillsFever21]

You could have a point if you're saying Dareus was the worse value in the first round(outside of QB's) but he isn't the worst player. It's all the great talent that was drafted around him like AJ Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt. We're talking 5 players that are already one of top players at their position and Pro Bowl players. To see Dareus underachieve like he has makes the selection even worse with all of them guys drafted after him.

[Mr. Pink]

You could have a point if you're saying Dareus was the worse value in the first round(outside of QB's) but he isn't the worst player. It's all the great talent that was drafted around him like AJ Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt. We're talking 5 players that are already one of top players at their position and Pro Bowl players. To see Dareus underachieve like he has makes the selection even worse with all of them guys drafted after him.

You're right that's a better way of putting it.

[cookie G]

I would have taken Mike Iupati instead of CJ but wtf do I know.

They could have kept Levitre and still had Spiller.
They could have brought in a FA..in 4 different offseasons
They had 4 drafts to build the line.

Lots of things they could have done...they chose not to.

But throwing Spiller into the teeth of an 8 man front to prove a point...or because you want to run a certain play whatever teh consequences..is just plain stupid.

MH is actually right, the middle was left wide open for a good part of the game. One of the times they actually did get it right, Chandler scored a long TD.

"Hit 'em where they ain't"

~Gen. Douglas MacAurthur

"Keep attacking into the teeth of a well entrenched and well armed enemy and watch your troops get slaughtered."
~Gen. Ambrose Burnside during the battle of Fredericksburg

"It is good that killing the Bills is so terrible, lest we become too fond of it"

~Robt. E. Lee Battle of Fredericksburg

[jimmifli]

They could have kept Levitre and still had Spiller.
They could have brought in a FA..in 4 different offseasons
They had 4 drafts to build the line.

Lots of things they could have done...they chose not to.

But throwing Spiller into the teeth of an 8 man front to prove a point...or because you want to run a certain play whatever teh consequences..is just plain stupid.

MH is actually right, the middle was left wide open for a good part of the game. One of the times they actually did get it right, Chandler scored a long TD.

"Hit 'em where they ain't"

~Gen. Douglas MacAurthur

"Keep attacking into the teeth of a well entrenched and well armed enemy and watch your troops get slaughtered."
~Gen. Ambrose Burnside during the battle of Fredericksburg

"It is good that killing the Bills is so terrible, lest we become too fond of it"

~Robt. E. Lee Battle of Fredericksburg

"Throw a ****ing slant!"
~Ulysses S. Grant

[TacklingDummy]

You could have a point if you're saying Dareus was the worse value in the first round(outside of QB's) but he isn't the worst player. It's all the great talent that was drafted around him like AJ Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt. We're talking 5 players that are already one of top players at their position and Pro Bowl players. To see Dareus underachieve like he has makes the selection even worse with all of them guys drafted after him.


Bingo!!! That's why Dareus makes me sick. Look at all the stars drafted after him. Just the Bills luck that they draft the one who hasn't turned into one.

[JoeMama]

"They pretty much put a lot of people in the box and dared our passing game to beat them," Spiller said, suggesting things won't get easier until EJ Manuel consistently connects on downfield throws, per The News.

"I mean, that's gonna be the model," Spiller said. "If I'm a defensive coordinator, that'd be my biggest thing too, is to stop our run and pretty much make our rookie quarterback beat us."

I think everybody knew opposing defenses were going to stack the box against us. Our best weapons are in the backfield.

What's odd is how much more effective Fred Jackson has been under the same circumstances.

I don't think many fans doubt that Spiller has the better physical skills between the two.

But there's something to be said for Jackson's patience and vision. Those two qualities alone are making a huge difference in an otherwise struggling offense.

[stuckincincy]

This might be because of the procedure EJ had to his knee. It may not be 100% yet or EJ might not feel confident about it or a combination of the two. The plays might be designed but EJ is afraid to do it because of his knee or they are not designed yet to protect the perceived franchise QB's health.

Interesting point about his knee. Previous posters have said that BUF is seeing a lot of man coverage. That's favorable for a qb to take off running.

[justasportsfan]

Freddie said the same thing in his interview about teams knowing the have a rookie qb and daring him to beat them. I guess he's throwing Ej under the bus too.

[Fletch]

Different styles and skill sets. Fred is a really good RB in any scheme. CJ is only a great RB in space.

Chan got him into open space. Hackett hasn't.

Sometimes you have to create your own space. If the only time that a player is valuable is when he has the ball and no defenders around him, well, maybe it's time to rethink things.

[jimmifli]

Sometimes you have to create your own space. If the only time that a player is valuable is when he has the ball and no defenders around him, well, maybe it's time to rethink things.
Ahhh... so you're one of those guys that wants to fit players to his system instead of the system to his players. We've been trying it for over a decade and it hasn't worked yet, but maybe we've just been unlucky.

Personally, I'd much prefer a coach that evaluates his current talent and then builds schemes to hide their weaknesses and play to their strengths.

[pmoon6]

Marcel Dareus - 5 tackles, 2 assists, 2 sacks. Ravens running game? Non existent and the Ravens didn't even try in the second half.

[DraftBoy]

Marcel Dareus - 5 tackles, 2 assists, 2 sacks. Ravens running game? Non existent and the Ravens didn't even try in the second half.

Leads the defensive line in tackles, and 2nd on the team in sacks.

[pmoon6]

Leads the defensive line in tackles, and 2nd on the team in sacks.Yeah, but he sucks and is a "bust"

At least according to the many Anti-Fans that inundate this board. I guess they get to suck it this week.

Oh wait, they do that all the time.

[DraftBoy]

Yeah, but he sucks and is a "bust"

At least according to the many Anti-Fans that inundate this board. I guess they get to suck it this week.

Oh wait, they do that all the time.

He's having a pro bowl caliber year.