"defenseless receiver" bull****

[OpIv37]

Please tell me how the hit on Graham isn't a penalty, but the hit by Aaron Williams is.

Call both, or call neither, but the a Bill get screwed by a judgment call once again.

[Novacane]

OP is sticking up for the Bills! 5 Star thread!

[OpIv37]

I just can't stand the inconsistent officiating. If we lose (which seems extremely likely with Manuel out), I won't blame it on the officials, but that's still no excuse for the inconsistency.

[imbondz]

I think the officials have been fine so far

[imbondz]

This is Bills / Browns football to a t

[OpIv37]

I think the officials have been fine so far

certainly not the worst officiated game I've ever seen, but I still don't understand how they can call that on Williams but let the hit on Graham go.

[BuffaloRedleg]

certainly not the worst officiated game I've ever seen, but I still don't understand how they can call that on Williams but let the hit on Graham go.

Well not only do we have one of the most consistently poorly managed football clubs in the league, i.e. not having a decent veteran backup behind our rookie, but also we never seem to get the breaks. It's business as usual.

[Novacane]

Well not only do we have one of the most consistently poorly managed football clubs in the league, i.e. not having a decent veteran backup behind our rookie, but also we never seem to get the breaks. It's business as usual.



To be fair they had that veteran and he got hurt. Don't know who they should have signed once that happened. Now.............if you want to rip them for dumping T Jackson for Kolb I'm with you.

[BLeonard]

certainly not the worst officiated game I've ever seen, but I still don't understand how they can call that on Williams but let the hit on Graham go.

Williams' hit was helmet to helmet... Pretty sure the hit on Graham was a shoulderpad.

I don't disagree with you, really. A couple years back, Williams' hit would have been considered "textbook," but with them really emphasizing the "no helmet to helmet," I figured it would be called.

-Bill

[Scumbag College]

There needs to be some sort of uniform rule in addition to head to head contact. Like if the ball has sailed over the receiver's head or has hit the ground and the receiver gets hit. There are too many judgment calls put onto officials, and they don't seem to bright as a whole.

[Owen DeBoard]

The worst no call was the holding on Kiko when he was clearly gonna sack Wedden.

[pmoon6]

Bwahahahah. I knew who was supposed to win the game when they called Freddie for taunting when he flipped the ball after he went out of bounds. "Jim Brown night" in Cleveland. Brandon Weedon coming in for the Browns previous savior. Great stories for the league's network.

The home job was in from the beginning.

[BuffaloRedleg]

To be fair they had that veteran and he got hurt. Don't know who they should have signed once that happened. Now.............if you want to rip them for dumping T Jackson for Kolb I'm with you.

They could have signed someone else. They should have signed someone else.

[Mr. Pink]

Bwahahahah. I knew who was supposed to win the game when they called Freddie for taunting when he flipped the ball after he went out of bounds. "Jim Brown night" in Cleveland. Brandon Weedon coming in for the Browns previous savior. Great stories for the league's network.

The home job was in from the beginning.

I really don't know why you even bother watching anymore. The first call when the Bills way on the PI in the endzone when both players were hand fighting. Did you initially think the Bills would win when you saw that flag? Did the NFL pull a swerve on you? You call out other people for their thoughts on players all the time...you have the most asinine idiotic view of the league in general out of anyone I've ever encountered in my life. Even more asinine and idiotic than the guy who posted a thread saying EJ lost the game because he got himself hurt.

[psubills62]

The thing is, I understand why they threw the flag on Aaron Williams. But reality is, he went low. He probably should have held up after seeing the high pass, but if the receiver lands on his feet instead of falling, that's a waist-high tackle. It clearly wasn't meant to be a helmet-to-helmet.

[DraftBoy]

The worst no call was the holding on Kiko when he was clearly gonna sack Wedden.

It wasn't holding so it was a good no call. Kiko's speed got into Mack so fast that his arms got around him. Normally you'd think holding easy but watch it again Mack's arms stay straight he never tries to wrap Kiko and when Kiko runs through the arms a step of two later Mack let's him go. That's not holding.

[GingerP]

The thing is, I understand why they threw the flag on Aaron Williams. But reality is, he went low. He probably should have held up after seeing the high pass, but if the receiver lands on his feet instead of falling, that's a waist-high tackle. It clearly wasn't meant to be a helmet-to-helmet.

He dropped his head and launched himself. That is what they are watching for. He needs to keep his head up and wrap the guy up.

[Owen DeBoard]

I just think when a player is coming at that speed and gets stopped like that the blocker has to be called for holding. I bet if that exact play happened on the Bills when they are on offence they get called for holding. Plus Mike Mayock also said he thought that should have been a holding call.

[Pinkerton Security]

Bwahahahah. I knew who was supposed to win the game when they called Freddie for taunting when he flipped the ball after he went out of bounds. "Jim Brown night" in Cleveland. Brandon Weedon coming in for the Browns previous savior. Great stories for the league's network.

The home job was in from the beginning.

The home job was in once EJ got hurt...we had no chance after that. Tuel looked like a glorified flag football QB.

[EDS]

certainly not the worst officiated game I've ever seen, but I still don't understand how they can call that on Williams but let the hit on Graham go.

I think the officials do need to make judgment calls on these types of hits and they are always much more inclined to through the flag when the play is near the sideline than in the middle of the field. In looking at the replays it also seemed Wiliams led with the helmet a bit (though he did through his forearms into it to) whereas Graham got decked by a shoulder.

[Forward_Lateral]

It wasn't holding so it was a good no call. Kiko's speed got into Mack so fast that his arms got around him. Normally you'd think holding easy but watch it again Mack's arms stay straight he never tries to wrap Kiko and when Kiko runs through the arms a step of two later Mack let's him go. That's not holding.

I wanted to punch Maycock in the face several times last night, and that was one of them. It was not holding.

[WagonCircler]

He dropped his head and launched himself. That is what they are watching for. He needs to keep his head up and wrap the guy up.

Are you describing the hit on EJ's knee? Because that DEFINITELY happened.

[DraftBoy]

I wanted to punch Maycock in the face several times last night, and that was one of them. It was not holding.

Yea I had no idea what Mayock was talking about on that one. It was not holding.

[Forward_Lateral]

Yea I had no idea what Mayock was talking about on that one. It was not holding.

I had no idea what he was talking about half the time he talked. The guy is a great talent analyst, but a terrible color commentator.

[pmoon6]

I really don't know why you even bother watching anymore. The first call when the Bills way on the PI in the endzone when both players were hand fighting. Did you initially think the Bills would win when you saw that flag? Did the NFL pull a swerve on you? You call out other people for their thoughts on players all the time...you have the most asinine idiotic view of the league in general out of anyone I've ever encountered in my life. Even more asinine and idiotic than the guy who posted a thread saying EJ lost the game because he got himself hurt.I usually wait until the general tenor if the officiated makes itself look unbalanced. Call it fairly or it looks like a homejob. Fred was just tossing the ball because he though a ref was there. !5 yards on phantom taunting. Look, you can call me anything you like, but I still find the games entertaining and I usually watch 5 games a week. Just because I notice an unfairness on the part of the refs makes me asinine? I don't say it happens in every game, but it does happen.

Like I said, Cleveland was at home and the honored one of their legendary players on National TV. What a great "feelgood" story.

Call me idiotic, call me asinine. All games are on the up and up. I got some beachfront property to sell you in Nevada.

Now go cry about how the Bills' suck, Boo hoo ****ing hoo.

[kishoph]

It wasn't holding so it was a good no call. Kiko's speed got into Mack so fast that his arms got around him. Normally you'd think holding easy but watch it again Mack's arms stay straight he never tries to wrap Kiko and when Kiko runs through the arms a step of two later Mack let's him go. That's not holding.


Couldn't disagree more, the 1st image is with out a doubt holding, the 2nd image is at least 3 yards later and he still has a hold of him. Mack grabs him at the 35-34 yd. line and does't let go of him till he's at the 27 yd. line, already past Weeden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/Image1-2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kishoph/media/Image1-2.jpg.html)

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[DraftBoy]

Couldn't disagree more, the 1st image is with out a doubt holding, the 2nd image is at least 3 yards later and he still has a hold of him. Mack grabs him at the 35-34 yd. line and does't let go of him till he's at the 27 yd. line, already past Weeden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/Image1-2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kishoph/media/Image1-2.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/Image2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kishoph/media/Image2.jpg.html)

Can't see the images at work, I'll have to look on Sunday when I return home.

[CleveSteve]

Good screen grabs. That's actually the backup TE Barnidge, Mack is trying to block the DL. It was a very awkward play. Since Barnidge came at him from the side, it wasn't a straightforward type of thing. The images you've selected make it look worse to me than when I saw it live and on replay last night. Our LG was terrible last night and it looks like Mack was helping him out and just missed Alonso coming.

[Mr. Pink]

Good screen grabs. That's actually the backup TE Barnidge, Mack is trying to block the DL. It was a very awkward play. Since Barnidge came at him from the side, it wasn't a straightforward type of thing. The images you've selected make it look worse to me than when I saw it live and on replay last night. Our LG was terrible last night and it looks like Mack was helping him out and just missed Alonso coming.

I was about to say that's not even Alex Mack. Mack in the second image isn't actually engaged with anyone.

[Owen DeBoard]

Couldn't disagree more, the 1st image is with out a doubt holding, the 2nd image is at least 3 yards later and he still has a hold of him. Mack grabs him at the 35-34 yd. line and does't let go of him till he's at the 27 yd. line, already past Weeden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/Image1-2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kishoph/media/Image1-2.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/kishoph/Image2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kishoph/media/Image2.jpg.html)
I dont know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but looks like the TE has a handful of Kikos jersey I guess thats not a hold? Any Buffalo Bill blocker does that that is a gaurantee holding call period.

[JoeMama]

Speaking of defenseless receivers...

F-Jax got 15 for tossing a football.

This got nothing.

http://vinehash.com/viewer/NFL-consistency-No-flag-here-but-Fred-Jacksons-ball-flip-got-15-yards-1qYdVBFzYyR4