Draft do over, Manuel or Smith?

[TacklingDummy]

Who would you draft?

EJ Manuel or Geno Smith?

[stuckincincy]

Scylla or Charybdis?

[RedEyE]

Current, to date? EJ all the way. Too much football to see before backward drafting.

[YardRat]

Kinda early for this

[Novacane]

Smith will be no better than Sanchez. EJ may not turn out to be good either but at least he's a likeable person. Smith seems like a punk.

[Historian]

I stay with EJ.

I am concerned about his durability though.

[SquishDaFish]

Way too early

[coastal]

Considering Woods and Kiko... Change nothing.

[Forward_Lateral]

How about we wait a couple of years before asking this question.

Your trolling has become epic, TD

[Meathead]

kelly holcomb or nick rolovich?

[mayotm]

TD, most of us realize that a majority of your posts are just schtick. Nevertheless, they do get tiresome.

[Pinkerton Security]

I dont think its a terrible question, especially after Smith's performance last night, but yes we should wait a year or 2 before we can really answer it.

[justasportsfan]

hey Dummy, I got 10k on the bills winning vs. bengals. Where's that thread?

[Night Train]

Neither.

I would have just gone with Thad Lewis and drafted another pass rusher.

[PTI]

Way too early even though I said EJ. Bills could be 5-0 right now, they could also be 0-5. That close. Jets got crushed one game when Smith was worse than awful. If I am playing by the QB not completely losing it for you game, then EJ has yet to do that.

[The King]

Geno has 7TD's and 8 INT's he's also a lot closer to his ceiling than EJ.

[TacklingDummy]

Smith throws a better ball,looks better in the pocket, and isn't injury prone.

I didn't want either but if I had to pick right now I'd have to got with Smith. He's lead his team to 3 wins.

[TacklingDummy]

I wonder how this same thread would do on a New Jersey Jets message board,

[MikeInRoch]

They probably are dumb enough to judge a rookie based on 5 freaking games, yes. That doesn't mean that we need to be.

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You do realize that the expectation with EJ was that he was going to need some time to develop, right?

[BertSquirtgum]

Chlaymidia or gonherrea?

[Jan Reimers]

Way, way, way too early to say.

[justasportsfan]

Way, way, way too early to say.

never too early for Dummy to start a controversy

[TacklingDummy]

Way, way, way too early to say.


Its only too early to say because right now Geno is better than EJ.

[Meathead]

physically ej is much more suitable to the qb position, ie. bigger and taller. that doesnt mean everything but its an advantage

ej appears much more mature, professional, and has a fantastic demeanor which is another big advantage long term

ej does have accuracy problems, which hopefully can be corrected over time. but on that one, advantage smith

honestly id much rather have ej, and not just bc hes on this team. i think the chances are much higher that he has long term success than geno, but thats of course just a guess

[TacklingDummy]

You do realize that the expectation with EJ was that he was going to need some time to develop, right?
Same was said about Losman and Maybin.

[justasportsfan]

Same was said about Losman and Maybin.

and Rivers and Brees and Rogers .

[Ed]

Its only too early to say because right now Geno is better than EJ.
Where was this same poll last week after Geno Smith's disastrous performance against Tennessee?

[jills]

Neither.

[DesertFox24]

Hysterical thread.

I called it last night and it came to fruition.

EJ has been hurt less in his career than Geno, so I find it funny he is no injury prone because he is going to miss a couple of games.

[Mr. Pink]

Neither.

[TacklingDummy]

Where was this same poll last week after Geno Smith's disastrous performance against Tennessee?
Rookies are going to have their ups or downs.
Right now Geno has led the Jets to 3 wins, EJ has led the Bills to 0.
And please save me that gift pass interference call and Steve Johnson fumble recovery victories.
We won those games in spite of EJ.

[mayotm]

Rookies are going to have their ups or downs.
Right now Geno has led the Jets to 3 wins, EJ has led the Bills to 0.
And please save me that gift pass interference call and Steve Johnson fumble recovery victories.
We won those games in spite of EJ.So we don't get to count the "gift interference" for EJ but you get to count the gift personal foul that won the Jets game against Tampa Bay? Seems fair in your world.

[justasportsfan]

Rookies are going to have their ups or downs.
Right now Geno has led the Jets to 3 wins, EJ has led the Bills to 0.
And please save me that gift pass interference call and Steve Johnson fumble recovery victories.
We won those games in spite of EJ.

you know I'm not sold on Ej, but you're being absurd.

[Mr. Pink]

Rookies are going to have their ups or downs.
Right now Geno has led the Jets to 3 wins, EJ has led the Bills to 0.
And please save me that gift pass interference call and Steve Johnson fumble recovery victories.
We won those games in spite of EJ.

Geno was gifted the victory vs the Bucs with a late hit penalty.

Fair is fair! :)

[TacklingDummy]

So we don't get to count the "gift interference" for EJ but you get to count the gift personal foul that won the Jets game against Tampa Bay? Seems fair in your world.

Without the pass interference call the Panthers have the ball, the INT stands.
The Jets would still have the ball without the personal foul call.

[mayotm]

Without the pass interference call the Panthers have the ball, the INT stands.
The Jets would still have the ball without the personal foul call.
Yep. The Jets would have had one play left outside of FG range.

[better days]

and Rivers and Brees and Rogers .

And Favre.

[GreedoII]

Draft Lane Johnson and move Glenn to Guard. Get EJ or Geno in the 2nd round maybe even the 3rd.

[justasportsfan]

Without the pass interference call the Panthers have the ball, the INT stands.
The Jets would still have the ball without the personal foul call.

we also gave the ball back to teams via penalties.

[MikeInRoch]

Without the pass interference call the Panthers have the ball, the INT stands.
The Jets would still have the ball without the personal foul call.

a) Without the pass interference, SJ gets at least a hand on the ball and there's no interception.

b) Without the personal foul, the Jets have it with time for one play well outside of field goal range.

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And Favre.

And Brady.

[streetkings01]

I'll wait till Geno faces some better defenses........that Falcons defense is terrible.

That Steelers defense isn't much to talk about this year.......but I think coming off a bye and going up against a rookie QB........I could see them coming up with a good game plan to confuse Geno.

[gr8slayer]

Give me Manuel.

[ParanoidAndroid]

TD, if you want attention, go call your mother.

[The Jokeman]

EJ is more of a game manager or take what the defense gives you type QB ala Trent Edwards whereas Geno is more of a gambler JP Losman type. In the end I take EJ Manuel as think once we open up the playbook and he starts looking to make plays with his legs he has a much bigger upside. The thing I don't like about Geno is his ball control (see turnovers) and he's still getting hit every week. I still say we need to get EJ a legitimate receiving TE I think he'll be that much better. If we draft in the top 10 in , I'd love to see us take could and getting Khalil Mack in the 1st and a guy like Colt Lyerla might call to the 2nd after withdrawing from school.

[TacklingDummy]

Geno leads his team to victory over the Pats.
Manuel chokes.

[Crisis]

Geno leads his team to victory over the Pats.
Manuel chokes.

Did you even watch it? They missed a 56 yard FG then got gifted a 15 yard penalty on it to win.

[TacklingDummy]

Did you even watch it? They missed a 56 yard FG then got gifted a 15 yard penalty on it to win.

Lol, the Bills are not the only team that receives gifts.

[Night Train]

Geno leads his team to victory over the Pats.
Manuel chokes.
Oh brother.

[Novacane]

Smith handed off for 40 yards and the Pats couldn't stop it. jets had the ball at the Pats 40 and Rex wouldn't let Smith put it in the air even if it meant trying a 55 yrd FG. Yeah Gino is great :rolleyes: Even then the great Gino needed a gift from the Refs. I can't believe they called that on the Pats. Some ref is getting fired.

[Crisis]

The guy TD wanted to draft, Matt Barkley, looked absolutely pathetic today.

[TacklingDummy]

That penalty call was terrible.

[Fixxxer]

The guy TD wanted to draft, Matt Barkley, looked absolutely pathetic today.

say it isn't so......

[TacklingDummy]

The guy TD wanted to draft, Matt Barkley, looked absolutely pathetic today.
Please link me to any post during the draft process that I said the Bills should draft Barkley, thanks.

[SquishDaFish]

TD you really are passing Skooby as the worst bills fan and poster on this board hands down

[DynaPaul]

Smith handed off for 40 yards and the Pats couldn't stop it. jets had the ball at the Pats 40 and Rex wouldn't let Smith put it in the air even if it meant trying a 55 yrd FG. Yeah Gino is great :rolleyes: Even then the great Gino needed a gift from the Refs. I can't believe they called that on the Pats. Some ref is getting fired.

Nah, I think the NFL has moved on to a new storyline and forsaken the Patriots. Plus, Patriot is a bad word now to the government.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Plus, Patriot is a bad word now to the government.

You have this backwards. The word "patriot" has been usurped by people who think patriotism means to be anti federal government.

[DesertFox24]

Can this thread be deleted on Te grounds that you cannot judge any player after 7 games.

At this point very premature to have this discussion this is a discussion we can have after 20 starts for both.

[TacklingDummy]

Can this thread be deleted on Te grounds that you cannot judge any player after 7 games.


Then how come Thad Lewis is the starter and not Tuel?

[Mr. Pink]

Can this thread be deleted on Te grounds that you cannot judge any player after 7 games.

At this point very premature to have this discussion this is a discussion we can have after 20 starts for both.

After 20 starts???

Neither guy SHOULD ever have 20 starts at the NFL level.

Just because I think that Thad is better than EJ, not that it takes much to do that, doesn't mean I think he's a long term answer at the position.

Nor do I think Geno should or will get 20 starts.

[Crisis]

Please link me to any post during the draft process that I said the Bills should draft Barkley, thanks.

All I remember is you slobbering over Barkley for over a year while he was at USC.

[X-Era]

This is hillarious to me.

I'd take Manuel, at this point, every day.

I'm worried about his durability a bit. But besides that, he's got better decision making and pocket presence and IMO will be the better QB ultimately.

[X-Era]

Geno leads his team to victory over the Pats.
Manuel chokes.
Where has he choked?

What game did Manuel have the chance to win yet lost?

If anything I watched him pull a late game winning drive against the Panthers.

I don't need my rookie to win games (yet he did), I just don't want him to lose games (and maybe I'm nuts but he didn't).

[better days]

Geno leads his team to victory over the Pats.
Manuel chokes.

The Jets defense & running game were MUCH more responsible for the Jets win than Geno & his INT & 17 of 33 passing.

[TacklingDummy]

The Jets defense & running game were MUCH more responsible for the Jets win than Geno & his INT & 17 of 33 passing.

and his touchdown pass, his touchdown run, his 13 passing 1st downs that kept drives alive.

[kishoph]

14 turnovers through 7 games, makes me say no to Geno, Manuel has 5 through 5 games. It's not like Geno is lighting up the scoreboard, he has 8 passing TD's in 7 games, while Manuel has 5 TD's in 5 games.
QB ratings Manuel 79.4, Smith 74.3

[better days]

and his touchdown pass, his touchdown run, his 13 passing 1st downs that kept drives alive.

I would credit the OC as much as Geno for the Jets offense. I think a healthy Sanchez would have put up similar numbers in that offense.

[Pinkerton Security]

So we get a big win, and this is where people's heads are? Unbelievable.

[DynaPaul]

You have this backwards. The word "patriot" has been usurped by people who think patriotism means to be anti federal government.

But do I? Our Founding Fathers were considered the uber-Patriots and they were... wait for it... anti-government! Not to turn this into a political thread but if they'd lost we'd be remembering them as leading a rebellion that failed.

[TacklingDummy]

Geno, 4 game winning drives in the 4th or later, most in the NFL.

[MikeInRoch]

TD, 20 threads *****ing about EJ. Most on the board.

[TacklingDummy]

TD, 20 threads *****ing about EJ. Most on the board.link to the other 19.

[The last buffalo fan]

Andy Dalton!

[imbondz]

For now, I'll take EJ every time. His demeanor is different / better than Geno's. I see Geno self-imploding, don't see that from EJ. Ask me this question after the season is over. Way to early to analyze the QB draft that happened a few months ago.

[better days]

link to the other 19.

The link is right there, just click on your name, then click on view forum posts.

[trapezeus]

But do I? Our Founding Fathers were considered the uber-Patriots and they were... wait for it... anti-government! Not to turn this into a political thread but if they'd lost we'd be remembering them as leading a rebellion that failed.

So anti government that they founded the very constitution that the tea party hates. they hated the monarchy and not having a voice.

but i guess that's a discussion for a thread even more annoying than this one.

Geno threw a perfect pick six when the defense had the game under control. oh and they made up for his mistake, not him by getting one back.

EJ experiment isn't over, but what you are seeing from Geno is his cap. EJ has more space to rise if he sees the game slower.

[TacklingDummy]

The link is right there, just click on your name, then click on view forum posts.still only see 1 thread (this one) I started on the subject.

[Thief]

still only see 1 thread (this one) I started on the subject.Since when do facts matter to you!?

[TacklingDummy]

Since when do facts matter to you!?
Facts are what I base my opinions on.

[better days]

still only see 1 thread (this one) I started on the subject.

He did not say threads you started. He said threads where you *****ed about EJ.

[Novacane]

Smith Blows

[THATHURMANATOR]

Another pick 6 for Geno dummies!

[Novacane]

And his 2nd pick 6 of the day lol

[TacklingDummy]

And his 2nd pick 6 of the day lol
Yet he's on the field getting experience while our franchise QB is injury prone and putting us back 2 years.

[RedEyE]

Geno was benched yesterday. Basically the Jets offered him the Dirty Sanchez

[better days]

Yet he's on the field getting experience while our franchise QB is injury prone and putting us back 2 years.

Sanchez was on the field getting experience as well. Didn't work out too well for him. Set the Jets back more than 2 years.

Detroit has a QB that was injury prone his first two years & I would take him as the Bills QB in a heartbeat.

[DesertFox24]

Yet he's on the field getting experience while our franchise QB is injury prone and putting us back 2 years.


You do realize the guy never got hurt in high school or college and has had two fluke injuries, only one of which has cost any games. I think the injury prone label is a tad premature.

[TacklingDummy]

Anyone want to change their vote?

[Crisis]

shouldn't have picked either.

[Mr. Pink]

Still sticking with neither.

[WagonCircler]

They'll both be out of football in 3 years.

[Novacane]

No. Lost hope in EJ but still wouldn't want Smith. We'd still be looking for our QB of the future.

[sudzy]

How did reaching for a QB in a year that they all sucked work out for us?

[stuckincincy]

How did reaching for a QB in a year that they all sucked work out for us?

Perhaps - but EJ good or EJ bad, missing 4 games puts opinions on hold. Eh?

[IlluminatusUIUC]

EJ had the edge early when he at least wasn't causing turnovers. When you won't throw deep OR accurately AND you keep turning the ball over...

[MikeInRoch]

I have my vote.

[Novacane]

Geno is a joke. The book is still out on EJ.

[TacklingDummy]

I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Geno was terrible today.

Why is Geno a joke but yet the book is still out on EJ?

They are both a joke to me.

[Novacane]

I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Geno was terrible today.

Why is Geno a joke but yet the book is still out on EJ?

They are both a joke to me.


Because EJ doesn't turn the ball over. My big ***** with him was he was captain checkdown jr. That has changed today. The book is still out

[Bill Cody]

I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Geno was terrible today.

Why is Geno a joke but yet the book is still out on EJ?

They are both a joke to me.
Wait so Manuel did not look good today? If you're not able to overcome your hate and give credit where credit is due, you're the joke.:limp::busted:

[TacklingDummy]

I've already said EJ had a few good passes today.

[YardRat]

Well, EJ certainly can throw into the wind, that's a pretty good sign for him if he's planning a future in Buffalo.

[Fixxxer]

Anyone want to change their vote?

[JoeMama]

Today was sweet.

I hate the Jets.

And I hate the small measure of success Geno Smith has enjoyed.

I still think he's going to be a bust.

But man, this one felt good. Nice to see EJ bring his A game in a gay minus his two best receivers. And make no mistake, that's a good Jets D he went up against.

[jdaltroy5]

It's almost like, you know, EJ is a rookie and he has ups and downs.

[TacklingDummy]

It's almost like, you know, EJ is a rookie and he has ups and downs.

And it's almost like, you know, that this is a message board where we ***** about the downs and praise the ups.

[stuckincincy]

It's almost like, you know, EJ is a rookie and he has ups and downs.

Heh - that says it all. I'd like to add an encouraging emoticon, but almost all of the available selections here are negative, demeaning, juvenile, snide or smarmy.

[jdaltroy5]

And it's almost like, you know, that this is a message board where we ***** about the downs and praise the ups.
So just because it's a message board, it gives you the right to act irrationally?

[Night Train]

Xanax anyone ?

[BillsFever21]

Today was sweet.

I hate the Jets.

And I hate the small measure of success Geno Smith has enjoyed.

I still think he's going to be a bust.

But man, this one felt good. Nice to see EJ bring his A game in a gay minus his two best receivers. And make no mistake, that's a good Jets D he went up against.

Man I didn't need to know about that. I guess if he did that's his choice. I'd rather not have him packing fudge but I could care less if he turned into a good QB.

[better days]

And it's almost like, you know, that this is a message board where we ***** about the downs and praise the ups.

Well, I have read MANY MANY *****es about the downs from you.....................show me one post you praised the ups.

[TacklingDummy]

Well, I have read MANY MANY *****es about the downs from you.....................show me one post you praised the ups.


After EJ worst game as a Pro, he has his best game.
Good for him, maybe it will give him some confidence.
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/221587-Ej-sucks!/page8

[ParanoidAndroid]

I don't think EJ lacks confidence. I just don't think the game has even begun to slow down for him yet. Once he starts anticipating things and throws the ball so the receiver can go get it rather than throwing the ball at a receiver already in the spot the ball is supposed to be, he'll be great.

[Novacane]

Geno is benched and suddenly the Jets start moving the ball. So glad we didn't take that bust.

[TacklingDummy]

Battle of the shLtbums.

[WagonCircler]

I stick by my vote of neither.

[streetkings01]

Both are terrible

[TacklingDummy]

Anyone wish to change their vote?

[better days]

Well, I wanted the Bills to draft Mike Glennon.

I still think he is the QB they should have drafted, but at least the Bucs drafted him.

[ParanoidAndroid]

To think we could have Russell Wilson or Nick Foles since both were picked after the guy we have on the trading block whom no one wants.

[better days]

To think we could have Russell Wilson or Nick Foles since both were picked after the guy we have on the trading block whom no one wants.

Russell Wilson was another guy I wanted the Bills to draft.

I was banging the drum loud for the Bills to draft him before that draft.

[Novacane]

Anyone wish to change their vote?



Yes. To none of the above!