vanek traded to islander

[JATMtheJATM]

for matt moulson, 2014 first rounder, 2015 second rounder.

[DraftBoy]

Does that seem a little light? Islanders are a point out of the playoffs right now and teaming Vanek with Tavares should allow both to go bonkers.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Moulson is a UFA after this season, don't be surprised if they trade him at the deadline for more picks. Don't go buying Moulson jerseys.

[coastal]

I think we got as much as we could. Vanek is not a building block. He is a player who needs to franchise player playing on his line in order to thrive.

we obviously don't have that.

and getting two high draft picks and a player for someone who was gone anyways... it's a good deal for us.

[ckg927]

That Isles #1 pick may very well be in the top 10; granted, there's a LOT of hockey to play.

BTW, Matt's better half is VERY hot...I must say.... :10:

[JATMtheJATM]

its a GREAT deal. odds are, the islanders will sneak in, lose in the first round, and vanek walks. so the 1st is 15-21. thats a nice spot. the second is a second, a good pick. moulson is a 30 goal scorer who can be resigned or traded for more picks or prospects. i expect him to go at the deadline to a team like detroit maybe for their first.

wouldnt it be something to resign moulson, and sign vanek in free agency? pipedream, i know.

[swiper]

Love me some Matt Moulson.

It's a great deal. It's not light in my opinion. One albatross gone for a young scorer.

Now get rid of Stafford and Ennis.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220

[DraftBoy]

its a GREAT deal. odds are, the islanders will sneak in, lose in the first round, and vanek walks. so the 1st is 15-21. thats a nice spot. the second is a second, a good pick. moulson is a 30 goal scorer who can be resigned or traded for more picks or prospects. i expect him to go at the deadline to a team like detroit maybe for their first.

wouldnt it be something to resign moulson, and sign vanek in free agency? pipedream, i know.

I'm asking because I don't really know but how many 15-21 picks have we hit on in the past few years?

[SpikedLemonade]

Good deal for the Sabres.

Miller for a 2nd round pick would be great.

[SpikedLemonade]

That Isles #1 pick may very well be in the top 10

Pollock logic.

No way. No how are the Islanders that bad.

[SpikedLemonade]

I'm asking because I don't really know but how many 15-21 picks have we hit on in the past few years?

Shut up!

Darcy is the best ever.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Well I guess I'll be the guy who says he's sad to see him go. He was what he was, but I always liked him.

[swiper]

Vanek could be great playing with a real #1 play-making center.

[JATMtheJATM]

I'm asking because I don't really know but how many 15-21 picks have we hit on in the past few years?

depends on what you mean by hit on. i mean, at that point, its not a sure thing, but odds are you are going to get an impact player at that range. top 6 forward, top 4 dman, stuff like that. pysyk, armia, ennis are mid firsts to later firsts.

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Shut up!

Darcy is the best ever.

what are you even talking about?

[JATMtheJATM]

Love me some Matt Moulson.

It's a great deal. It's not light in my opinion. One albatross gone for a young scorer.

Now get rid of Stafford and Ennis.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220

actually, moulson is older then vanek.

[ckg927]

Pollock logic.

No way. No how are the Islanders that bad.

I know they're not. I'm saying based on where they're ranked right now. And read the next sentence...I said there was a LOT of hockey to play.

[swiper]

actually, moulson is older then vanek.

Right. Forgot he's 29.

I can't believe that Neilsen, Tavares AND Okposo have scored more than Moulson.

[DraftBoy]

depends on what you mean by hit on. i mean, at that point, its not a sure thing, but odds are you are going to get an impact player at that range. top 6 forward, top 4 dman, stuff like that. pysyk, armia, ennis are mid firsts to later firsts.

I mean drafting players that are productive for the team.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Love me some Matt Moulson.

It's a great deal. It's not light in my opinion. One albatross gone for a young scorer.

Now get rid of Stafford and Ennis.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220

Moulson is like six months older than Vanek or something like that.

[JATMtheJATM]

I mean drafting players that are productive for the team.

well, staffords career PPG points to him being productive.

the sabres will likely be able to draft a building block for the team. it also makes drafting ekblad (D) early on easier, because they can use the isles first to draft a forward.

[JATMtheJATM]

nevermind.

[Downinfloflo]

Damn Islanders are doing it right...

Vanek will have some jump in his step playing with a real centre and finally out of Buffalo.

The draft picks are 3-5 years away from doing much of anything in the NHL anyway so no big loss there for N.Y...

I think Vanek will resign on the Island, They will be in Brooklyn soon in a brand new arena with plenty for the players to do after work.

Moulson hates life right now.

[chernobylwraiths]

Yeah, that is gonna turn out to be crappy, unless we can get someone else to be GM.

Should have been much more.

Good luck to Vanek.

[coastal]

Dear Lord.. Please let the Isles implode. Also, please allow the Sabres to win two consecutive lotteries.

Amen.

[DraftBoy]

well, staffords career PPG points to him being productive.

the sabres will likely be able to draft a building block for the team. it also makes drafting ekblad (D) early on easier, because they can use the isles first to draft a forward.

So 1? And wasn't Stafford around pick 12 and not in the 15-21 range?

[JATMtheJATM]

also of note, the isles pick is one pick more valuable then their finish/elimination from the postseason, as the first round only has 29 picks this june instead of 30.

[JATMtheJATM]

So 1? And wasn't Stafford around pick 12 and not in the 15-21 range?

13th. still in that range. the islanders may not make the postseason, so they could be in the 13 team lottery come the lottery in april.

[DraftBoy]

13th. still in that range. the islanders may not make the postseason, so they could be in the 13 team lottery come the lottery in april.

True, but if we trade Vanek for another Stafford I don't know how that can be considered a good thing.

[tampabay25690]

It's a great deal.....
The deal was suppose to be done yesterday in Tampa....
Moulson is not happy at all....
He was hoping to go back to the Island.....
Deals are not done...... FYI something may be coming soon

[Dr. Lecter]

Yeah - there is a rumor they have a deal to move Miller. But it is to Edmonton. And they are on his no trade list.

FWIW - this is a pretty good return for Vanek. A first (quite possibly a lottery pick), a 2nd and a guy that could be moved at the deadline for another 2nd and maybe more.

[chernobylwraiths]

Ooooooo, draft picks!

New York's pick WON'T be a lottery pick.

[SkateZilla]

I guess this is what Ted Black meant when he said there's gonna be more rough times ahead.. lol.

[Dr. Lecter]

Ooooooo, draft picks!

New York's pick WON'T be a lottery pick.
I am not sure they make the playoffs. If they don't, it is a lottery pick

[JATMtheJATM]

True, but if we trade Vanek for another Stafford I don't know how that can be considered a good thing.

i wouldnt either. but thats the thing. we dont know. all we know for sure is the sabres will be in a position to draft a highy talented prospect. we wont know who that is till june. we wont know what we will have exactly for a few years. but for the outside chance at a lottery pick? its worth the "gamble"

[chernobylwraiths]

Should have taken their 2015 first rounder and 2014 second rounder

[JATMtheJATM]

I am not sure they make the playoffs. If they don't, it is a lottery pick

so the sabres could have 2 of 13 lottery slots, if new york misses. not terrible at all.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Right. Forgot he's 29.

I can't believe that Neilsen, Tavares AND Okposo have scored more than Moulson.

I can't believe I'm older than both of them. It's a ****ed up feeling when you start to realize that athletes younger than you are considered past their prime.

[chernobylwraiths]

It's a great deal.....
The deal was suppose to be done yesterday in Tampa....
Moulson is not happy at all....
He was hoping to go back to the Island.....
Deals are not done...... FYI something may be coming soon

I bet Moulson isn't happy.
Great, another Kozlov.

[Downinfloflo]

Sabres #1 picks the last 13 years.


<tbody>
2000 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2000e.html)
15
1
Artem Kryukov (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=59430)
F

</tbody>


<tbody>
2001 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2001e.html)
22
1
Jiri Novotny (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=59881)
C

</tbody>


<tbody>
2002 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html)
11
1
Keith Ballard (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=61770)
D

</tbody>


<tbody>
2003 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html)
5
1
Thomas Vanek (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=65958)
F

</tbody>


<tbody>
2004 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2004e.html)
13
1
Drew Stafford (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=77747)
F

</tbody>


<tbody>
2005 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2005e.html)
13
1
Marek Zagrapan (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=71297)
C

</tbody>


<tbody>
2006 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2006e.html)
24
1
Dennis Persson (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=95355)
D

</tbody>


<tbody>
2007 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2007e.html)
31
2
T.J. Brennan (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96395)
D

</tbody>


<tbody>
2008 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html)
12
1
Tyler Myers (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=94206)
D

</tbody>


<tbody>
2009 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html)
13
1
Zack Kassian (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106835)
R

</tbody>


<tbody>
2010 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2010e.html)
23
1
Mark Pysyk (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=110238)
D

</tbody>


<tbody>
2011 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html)
16
1
Joel Armia (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130454)
F

</tbody>


<tbody>
2012 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html)
12
1
Mikhail Grigorenko (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=143915)
C

</tbody>


<tbody>
2013 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2013e.html)
8
1
Rasmus Ristolainen (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048)
D

</tbody>


How would you grade them?

[tampabay25690]

Yeah - there is a rumor they have a deal to move Miller. But it is to Edmonton. And they are on his no trade list.

FWIW - this is a pretty good return for Vanek. A first (quite possibly a lottery pick), a 2nd and a guy that could be moved at the deadline for another 2nd and maybe more.

Tom
Not a rumor FYI

[JATMtheJATM]

nice, an uncompleted list.

[Downinfloflo]

nice, an uncompleted list.

Yes.....The others were not worth the copy and paste time.


<tbody>
2002 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html)
20
1
Daniel Paille (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=55220)
L

</tbody>


<tbody>
2008 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html)
26
1
Tyler Ennis (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=89924)
C


</tbody>


<tbody>
2012 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html)
14
1
Zemgus Girgensons (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130896)
C

</tbody>


<tbody>
2013 Entry (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2013e.html)
16
1
Nikita Zadorov (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=160323)
D

</tbody>


That's a lot of #1 picks that turned out to be just your average hockey player.

Sabres draft history >>>> http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005054.html

[swiper]

well, staffords career PPG points to him being productive.

Huh? His career PPG shows he had a decent year in 2010-11, that's all. Nothing more.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3327/drew-stafford

[Dr. Lecter]

Tom
Not a rumor FYI

Well yeah - but until it is official......

You think Miller does it?

[swiper]

You think Miller does it?

No.

[coastal]

Tom
Not a rumor FYI
Then spill it already...

[JATMtheJATM]

so you are calling zadorov and girgensens just average players already. well, knock yourself out.

[JATMtheJATM]

Huh? His career PPG shows he had a decent year in 2010-11, that's all. Nothing more.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3327/drew-stafford

im sorry, i dont mean power play goals. i mean points per game. hes about, career wise, a 45-50 point guy per 82 games. not bad at all. youd hope for more from a 13th overall pick, but if we isolate that stat alone, stafford is not a failure of a player. of course, we cant do that.

[tampabay25690]

Well yeah - but until it is official......

You think Miller does it?

Wellllllll......
The ball is in his court I know that 150%
I got to chat with him a bit yesterday in Tampa...... He knows what's up...didn't really talk much with him about it...
Had a really nice talk with Darcy what a nice guy... My wife said he is so nice I said yea but he's almost fired.....
I don't know if he's on the hot seat as much as many think....
Think about this Darcy has worked under 3 owners now!!! That's un heard of in pro sports....
Guy makes great deals, but his hands were tied for many many years.....
I see Miller gone sooner then later and I mean sooner..

[tampabay25690]

Then spill it already...

Ha ha..
If u follow me on FB I posted something going down 30 minutes prior the Vanek was dealt...
There was 1 person I actually messaged direct and let them know....
Deal was done yesterday to be honest and I was surprised Vanek played... Few kinks had to be worked out..

[JATMtheJATM]

Sabres draft history >>>> http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005054.html

i like that link. thats the draft class that had multiple NHL writers called the best team draft of the 2013 draft.

[Downinfloflo]

so you are calling zadorov and girgensens just average players already. well, knock yourself out.

When I was your age I was full of hope too..When you reach 30 reality starts to set in.

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i like that link. thats the draft class that had multiple NHL writers called the best team draft of the 2013 draft.

And that means what?

It means nothing until proven on the ice.

[JATMtheJATM]

When I was your age I was full of hope too..When you reach 30 reality starts to set in.

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And that means what?

It means nothing until proven on the ice.

calling two players with high ceilings average with 14 games between them is ignorant. especially seeing they are both teenagers.

and it does mean something. when you are a rebuilding team and you have high thought of prospects and potential future stars, its ok to look at the future with hope and believe it the team is heading the right direction.

[Rockstar]

Love me some Matt Moulson.

It's a great deal. It's not light in my opinion. One albatross gone for a young scorer.

Now get rid of Stafford and Ennis.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220

Vanek is an albatross? Please explain..

Here are the three definitions of albatross:

1. Any of several large web-footed birds constituting the family Diomedeidae, chiefly of the oceans of the Southern Hemisphere, and having a hooked beak and long narrow wings.
2.A constant, worrisome burden. An obstacle to success.


Does Vanek have webbed feet?

[Rockstar]

Pollock logic.

No way. No how are the Islanders that bad.

I agree, the Islanders are actually a dark horse team loaded with young talent. Second round of the playoffs this season is my prediction.

[Rockstar]

Dear Lord.. Please let the Isles implode. Also, please allow the Sabres to win two consecutive lotteries.

Amen.

uugh, I am forced to thank your post. I hate when that happens..

[Meathead]

could this be the first team in nhl history to average less than a goal a game? stay tuned

[rbochan]

He's going to tear it up with a real center.

[don137]

I think Moulson is a rental player and the Sabres will be getting another draft pick. Depending on how Moulson does here a second rounder at minimum is realistic.

Let's hope Stafford is next.

I wonder if this trade will make Miller more willing to accept a trade to Edmonton.

Too early to grade any draft of players drafted in last 3 years but other than Vanek the draft has been very pedestrian at best. That is a big reason why they are where they are at today.

[Skooby]

There goes my Vanek jersey, good riddance.

[rbochan]

"For Darcy Regier's trade of Thomas Vanek to the New York Islanders, Patrick Kaleta has been suspended for 10 games."

[THATHURMANATOR]

Love me some Matt Moulson.

It's a great deal. It's not light in my opinion. One albatross gone for a young scorer.

Now get rid of Stafford and Ennis.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220

May have already been said but Moulson is older than Vanek and is also a UFA at the end of the year.

[JATMtheJATM]

depending on the team, moulson could get the sabres another first rounder. a late one, but thats possible.

[JATMtheJATM]

There goes my Vanek jersey, good riddance.

ill take it.

[SkateZilla]

i dont think either party realizes, being traded from BUF->NYI or NYI->BUF is only a 6 hour commute, less if you fly directly using private charter.

They are both tweeting and talking like they got traded from east coast to west.. lol..

[Rockstar]

i dont think either party realizes, being traded from BUF->NYI or NYI->BUF is only a 6 hour commute, less if you fly directly using private charter.

They are both tweeting and talking like they got traded from east coast to west.. lol..


Not to sound like Captain obvious but I think you’re missing the whole point of up-rooting your entire family. That is a HUGE deal. I recently moved upstairs in the building I had lived in for three years. </SPAN>

That was a pain in the ass and I don’t have kids who will have to go to new schools, a wife who is leaving everything work related behind, charity’s worked with. Hell, your favorite bar and restaurant. Moving sucks.. Add a family and a career that requires physical and mental acuity and it is even worse. </SPAN>

[OpIv37]

Not to mention the culture shock- NYC and Buffalo may only be a 6 hr drive and may be in the same state but they are worlds apart in terms of lifestyle.

And I'm not saying one's better than the other- they both have advantages and disadvantages. It's just a huge adjustment to go from one to the other overnight, especially when it may or may not have been by choice.

[Mr. Pink]

6 years too late.

Should have been an Oiler back in '07.

[OpIv37]

6 years too late.

Should have been an Oiler back in '07.

Yeah I think Vanek was kept more for PR after losing Briere and Drury. The rebuild that is happening now should have happened then. I'd gladly give up two first round playoff losses to be 5 years into a rebuild instead of starting over.

[mightysimi]

I think you guys might be let down with what you get from Moulson without Tavares. The picks are good though. Can't see any reason why the Isles don't make the playoffs with the teams in their division.

[chernobylwraiths]

Not to sound like Captain obvious but I think you’re missing the whole point of up-rooting your entire family. That is a HUGE deal. I recently moved upstairs in the building I had lived in for three years. </SPAN>

That was a pain in the ass and I don’t have kids who will have to go to new schools, a wife who is leaving everything work related behind, charity’s worked with. Hell, your favorite bar and restaurant. Moving sucks.. Add a family and a career that requires physical and mental acuity and it is even worse. </SPAN>

True, but they make enough money that the uproot is going to probably be a lot more gradual.

[JATMtheJATM]

bleacher report alert to my phone: sabres were willing to make vanek highest paid player in the league to stay.

if thats true, he obviously didnt want to be here anymore. best of luck to him regardless.

[mightysimi]

bleacher report alert to my phone: sabres were willing to make vanek highest paid player in the league to stay.

if thats true, he obviously didnt want to be here anymore. best of luck to him regardless.

Would you stay? He's already made a ton of money and he will still get paid well wherever he plays. Why lose for another couple of years.

Wasn't he the captain? Who gets the C now?

[JATMtheJATM]

Would you stay? He's already made a ton of money and he will still get paid well wherever he plays. Why lose for another couple of years.

Wasn't he the captain? Who gets the C now?

id love to say id stay, but i dont know if i would. i mean, keeping vanek at least allows the sabres to have a star through the rebuild and by the time hes 33, the rebuild should be far enough along for the team to be competitive for the post season. that would be nice for the fans, but not for him.

as it is, it just speeds up the rebuild slightly. more pieces can be added. more pieces can be moved to get other pieces. the talent pool will get even more deep.

[mightysimi]

id love to say id stay, but i dont know if i would. i mean, keeping vanek at least allows the sabres to have a star through the rebuild and by the time hes 33, the rebuild should be far enough along for the team to be competitive for the post season. that would be nice for the fans, but not for him.

as it is, it just speeds up the rebuild slightly. more pieces can be added. more pieces can be moved to get other pieces. the talent pool will get even more deep.

I don't know if I could stay. It's not like he is going to be making peanuts wherever he ends up. Wanting to make Vanek the highest paid player in the league just shows how your Front Office has no idea. He is a good bordering on great player. But to say he is in the same league as Crosby or Ovechkin is ridiculous. So what you pay him a ton and are cap poor and keep losing? This is a way better option. Providing you change the drafting practices.

[JATMtheJATM]

I don't know if I could stay. It's not like he is going to be making peanuts wherever he ends up. Wanting to make Vanek the highest paid player in the league just shows how your Front Office has no idea. He is a good bordering on great player. But to say he is in the same league as Crosby or Ovechkin is ridiculous. So what you pay him a ton and are cap poor and keep losing? This is a way better option. Providing you change the drafting practices.

the sabres dont draft bad. there was an article fairly recently (last year i think) that shows the sabres are the best drafters in rounds 2 and after in terms of games played? i think thats what it was about. anyways, the sabres wont miss on every pick, thats for sure. they got some solid youth to build with.

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I don't know if I could stay. It's not like he is going to be making peanuts wherever he ends up. Wanting to make Vanek the highest paid player in the league just shows how your Front Office has no idea. He is a good bordering on great player. But to say he is in the same league as Crosby or Ovechkin is ridiculous. So what you pay him a ton and are cap poor and keep losing? This is a way better option. Providing you change the drafting practices.

the sabres dont draft bad. there was an article fairly recently (last year i think) that shows the sabres are the best drafters in rounds 2 and after in terms of games played? i think thats what it was about. anyways, the sabres wont miss on every pick, thats for sure. they got some solid youth to build with.

[JATMtheJATM]

and no, thats not saying darcy should stay. god no, his time has come and gone.

[JATMtheJATM]

moulson scores to tie it at 1!

[DetDannyWilliams]

stat that they just flashed up on the screen Moulson since 2009-10 120g 10th most in the NHL

[SkateZilla]

Moulson in front of the net was crazy tonight.


TBH that had to be the best 2nd half of a game I've seen them play all season.

[denverboz]

I only saw the highlights and just gotta say those were a couple beautiful shots he made on his goals. Looks like a keeper to me.

[JATMtheJATM]

new: if the islanders pick is top 10 this draft, they can defer the pick to the 2015 draft. so if vanek skips town and they somehow finish in the lottery, the sabres could have 2 shots at connor mcdavid the next draft.

[SpikedLemonade]

new: if the islanders pick is top 10 this draft, they can defer the pick to the 2015 draft. so if vanek skips town and they somehow finish in the lottery, the sabres could have 2 shots at connor mcdavid the next draft.

Love this Pollock logic.

Only a homer would spin that advantage to the Islanders that way.

[JATMtheJATM]

Love this Pollock logic.

Only a homer would spin that advantage to the Islanders that way.

i prefer to call myself optimistic, but ok.

but you can call me a homer. after all, i am posting at my fav teams message board. whats your excuse?

[Dr. Lecter]

Love this Pollock logic.

Only a homer would spin that advantage to the Islanders that way.
Can you stop that?

It is annoying.


And dumb as hell.