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  • JATMtheJATM
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    • Aug 2012
    • 59235

    another positive look on the rebuild.

    Terry Pegula’s name was supposed to carry similar status in Buffalo as Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan does in the blue half of Manchester. Instead, “ Pegula” only seems to be raised in hockey circles when people discuss factors that should have prevented the Buffalo Sabres from following to the depths where they currently reside. […]


    warning though. the author feels darcy is doing great in regards to the rebuild.
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  • Ginger Vitis
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    • Feb 2009
    • 3451

    #2
    Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

    Originally posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/11/...st-of-rebuild/

    warning though. the author feels darcy is doing great in regards to the rebuild.
    The thing that stood out in that article to me was Top Shelf prospects ranking the Sabres 3rd in the NHL organizational prospect quality.. I wonder if they are 3rd because the last 2 years they have had a boatload of players drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds.. and they got Larsson and Hackett from the Pominville trade. if that site graded organizations on how many 1st line forwards and No.1 and No.2 defensemen are in there system I don't think the sabres would be 3rd overall

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    • JATMtheJATM
      Registered User
      • Aug 2012
      • 59235

      #3
      Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

      Originally posted by Ginger Vitis View Post
      The thing that stood out in that article to me was Top Shelf prospects ranking the Sabres 3rd in the NHL organizational prospect quality.. I wonder if they are 3rd because the last 2 years they have had a boatload of players drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds.. and they got Larsson and Hackett from the Pominville trade. if that site graded organizations on how many 1st line forwards and No.1 and No.2 defensemen are in there system I don't think the sabres would be 3rd overall
      thats why. i usually get my prospect info from hockeys future, where they have the sabres at 8th in the NHL. 8th is nothing to sneeze at. and that will go up as we draft more the next few years.
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      • sukie
        Seriously?
        • Sep 2012
        • 21507

        #4
        Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

        Hey... another question of this so called rebuild. I have read here references to this being a rebuild. Of course I contend the same general contractor is unable to rebuild anything and at best it would be foolish to hire the guy resposible for the shoddy construction in the first place.

        If Pittsburghs and Chicago's rebuild are offered up as examples... Did those teams maintain the front office (particularly GM) throughout the build?

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        • Ginger Vitis
          Registered User
          • Feb 2009
          • 3451

          #5
          Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

          Originally posted by sukie View Post

          If Pittsburghs and Chicago's rebuild are offered up as examples... Did those teams maintain the front office (particularly GM) throughout the build?
          Dale Tallon was the blackhawks GM from 2005 to 2009... Prior to the 2009-2010 season he was demoted to assistant GM and in the summer of 2010 the Blackhawks won the stanley Cup so that cup winning team was exclusively built by Tallon..

          Craig Patrick drafted March Andre Fleury..Evgeni Malkin..Sidney Crosby. In April 2006 Patrick was relieved of his duties.. Ray Shero who succeeded Patrick can take the credit for building up the depth for the 3rd/4th lines that lead to the penguins winning the cup in 2009
          Last edited by Ginger Vitis; 11-05-2013, 10:22 AM.

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          • sukie
            Seriously?
            • Sep 2012
            • 21507

            #6
            Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

            Originally posted by Ginger Vitis View Post
            Dale Tallon was the blackhawks GM from 2005 to 2009... Prior to the 2009-2010 season he was demoted to assistant GM and in the summer of 2010 the Blackhawks won the stanley Cup so that cup winning team was exclusively built by Tallon..

            Craig Patrick drafted March Andre Fleury..Evgeni Malkin..Sidney Crosby. In April 2006 Patrick was relieved of his duties.. Ray Shero who succeeded Patrick can take the credit for building up the depth for the 3rd/4th lines that lead to the penguins winning the cup in 2009
            So prior to Talon being hired was it considereda rebuild?

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            • JATMtheJATM
              Registered User
              • Aug 2012
              • 59235

              #7
              Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

              Originally posted by sukie View Post
              So prior to Talon being hired was it considereda rebuild?
              not really, no. the team was bad, but had no sense of direction.
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              • sukie
                Seriously?
                • Sep 2012
                • 21507

                #8
                Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                Originally posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
                not really, no. the team was bad, but had no sense of direction.
                Darcy suddenly gives you a sense of direction? Suddenly he "can"?

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                • JATMtheJATM
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 59235

                  #9
                  Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                  Originally posted by sukie View Post
                  Darcy suddenly gives you a sense of direction? Suddenly he "can"?
                  darcy always had a sense of direction, it just didnt work. it was the belief that the core they had was stanley cup caliber, but the other parts needed to replaced and moved to find the perfect fit for it to work. the thing was, he was right, the core, at one point, was good enough, and the 05-06 team certainly was good enough to win a stanley cup. he spent the next several years trying to recapture that success. it obviously didnt work.

                  so, he began slowly, methodically dismantling the core. that dismantlement is nearly complete.

                  there is a clear pattern here. he is trying to build another core good enough to compete. once it is good enough to compete. youll see him acquire the players needed to complete the puzzle.

                  will he be in buffalo for that? doubtful. should he be? no.

                  hes rebuilding the right way.
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                  • Ginger Vitis
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 3451

                    #10
                    Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                    Originally posted by sukie View Post
                    So prior to Talon being hired was it considereda rebuild?
                    From 1998 to 2002 Tallon was Chicagos player personal director and from 2002 to 2005 Tallon was the Assistant GM.. During that time the Blackhawks were a bad organization. Tallon was made the GM prior to the 2005 season starting and in 2006 he drafted Jonathan Toews and in 2007 drafted Patrick Kane. I though when I looked up Tallons bio it was interesting that prior to the 2009 season Tallon was demoted to special adviser and Stan Bowman was promoted to GM.. And of course the Blackhawks won the cup in 2010

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                    • SkateZilla
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                      • Dec 2002
                      • 9166

                      #11
                      Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                      I'd like to see what we could do later with a few Top 3 Picks for a few years.
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                      • DetDannyWilliams
                        Nobody in Hawaii wears a tie.
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 4186

                        #12
                        Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                        when this whole rebuild started Regier on WGR550 told Schoop and the Bulldog they asked a question to Darcy like are you going to rebuild like Pittsburgh and Chicago and Darcy said "We aren't rebuilding like Pittsburgh or Chicago we are rebuilding like the Blues did in their rebuilding". Here's the way the Blues did it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lou...2.80.932010.29
                        Last edited by DetDannyWilliams; 11-05-2013, 04:54 PM.

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                        • Ginger Vitis
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 3451

                          #13
                          Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                          Originally posted by DetDannyWilliams View Post
                          when this whole rebuild started Regier on WGR550 told Schoop and the Bulldog they asked a question to Darcy like are you going to rebuild like Pittsburgh and Chicago and Darcy said "We aren't rebuilding like Pittsburgh or Chicago we are rebuilding like the Blues did in their rebuilding". Here's the way the Blues did it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lou...2.80.932010.29
                          So the Blues started rebuilding in 2005 and since then have only won one playoff series.. Sorry Darcy I prefer the Penguins or Hawks way of rebuilding.. 2 straight years of picking in the Top 3.. The one thing that kinda hurt the Blues is when they did pick 1st overall in 2006 Defensemen Erik Johnson has turned out to be the least impactful 1st overall pick since 2000(Rick Dipietro)

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                          • JATMtheJATM
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 59235

                            #14
                            Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                            Originally posted by Ginger Vitis View Post
                            So the Blues started rebuilding in 2005 and since then have only won one playoff series.. Sorry Darcy I prefer the Penguins or Hawks way of rebuilding.. 2 straight years of picking in the Top 3.. The one thing that kinda hurt the Blues is when they did pick 1st overall in 2006 Defensemen Erik Johnson has turned out to be the least impactful 1st overall pick since 2000(Rick Dipietro)
                            the sabres will be drafting high in the next 2, maybe 3 drafts. sabre fans always wanted a franchise player? they have a chance at multiple.
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                            • Downinfloflo
                              Victimizing The Victimizer
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 16456

                              #15
                              Re: another positive look on the rebuild.

                              Ughh......Rumor has it Yakupov is on the Rangers radar.....

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