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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
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    EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com



    Cam Newton’s 1st six starts
    Record Att Cmp Pct Yds Yd/A TD TD% Int Int% Lg Sk Lst Rate 1st 1st% 25+ YAC
    1-5 229 134 58.5 1847 8.07 7 3.1 9 3.9 77t 10 60 78.3 78 34.1 16 779
    EJ Manuel’s 1st six starts
    Record Att Cmp Pct Yds Yd/A TD TD% Int Int% Lg Sk Lst Rate 1st 1st% 25+ YAC
    2-4 189 107 56.6 1140 6.03 6 3.2 4 2.1 45 16 97 76.2 48 25.4 8 537
    Slamming EJ at this point is ridiculous. Sorry. And personally I don't care about comparing him to other QB's.

    He's had 6 damn starts people, 6.

    Wait until after the years over before you run him out of town.

    Heres his numbers on the year so far:

    2013 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG PASSING RUSHING
    DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT QBR RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
    Sun 9/8 L 21-23 18 27 150 66.7 5.56 19 2 0 70.8 105.5 3 23 7.7 19 0
    Sun 9/15 W 24-23 27 39 296 69.2 7.59 45 1 1 51.6 89.3 4 13 3.3 9 0
    Sun 9/22 L 20-27 19 42 243 45.2 5.79 33 1 0 30.3 71.8 6 40 6.7 19 0
    Sun 9/29 W 23-20 10 22 167 45.5 7.59 42 1 2 9.8 48.9 11 1 0.1 5 0
    Thu 10/3 L 24-37 11 20 129 55.0 6.45 24 0 0 69.4 74.8 1 14 14.0 14 0
    Sun 11/10 L 10-23 22 39 155 56.4 3.97 23 1 1 32.8 63.5 2 17 8.5 9 0
    REGULAR SEASON STATS 107 189 1,140 56.6 6.03 45 6 4 40.7 76.2 27 108 4.0 19 0
    Last edited by X-Era; 11-11-2013, 03:03 PM.

  • Pinkerton Security
    Pinkerton's son
    • Feb 2006
    • 6003

    #2
    Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

    The stat that scares me the most is his YPA. Its terrible, like Trent-esque.

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    • X-Era
      What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
      • Feb 2005
      • 27670

      #3
      Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

      Originally posted by NaturalBornSpiller View Post
      The stat that scares me the most is his YPA. Its terrible, like Trent-esque.
      It's been good in most games just a few that it's bad. Like this last one:

      1 2013 1 2013-09-08 23-173 BUF
      NWE L 21-23 * 18 27 66.67% 150 2 0 105.5 5.56 7.04 3 23 7.67 0
      2 2013 2 2013-09-15 23-180 BUF
      CAR W 24-23 * 27 39 69.23% 296 1 1 89.3 7.59 6.95 4 13 3.25 0
      3 2013 3 2013-09-22 23-187 BUF @ NYJ L 20-27 * 19 42 45.24% 243 1 0 71.8 5.79 6.26 6 40 6.67 0
      4 2013 4 2013-09-29 23-194 BUF
      BAL W 23-20 * 10 22 45.45% 167 1 2 48.9 7.59 4.41 11 1 0.09 0
      5 2013 5 2013-10-03 23-198 BUF @ CLE L 24-37 * 11 20 55.00% 129 0 0 74.8 6.45 6.45 1 14 14.00 0
      6 2013 10 2013-11-10 23-236 BUF @ PIT L 10-23 * 22 39 56.41% 155 1 1 63.5 3.97 3.33 2 17 8.50 0



      6 Games





      107 189 56.61% 1140 6 4 76.2 6.03 5.71 27 108 4.00 0

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      • Pinkerton Security
        Pinkerton's son
        • Feb 2006
        • 6003

        #4
        Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

        Originally posted by X-Era View Post
        It's been good in most games just a few that it's bad. Like this last one:

        1 2013 1 2013-09-08 23-173 BUF
        NWE L 21-23 * 18 27 66.67% 150 2 0 105.5 5.56 7.04 3 23 7.67 0
        2 2013 2 2013-09-15 23-180 BUF
        CAR W 24-23 * 27 39 69.23% 296 1 1 89.3 7.59 6.95 4 13 3.25 0
        3 2013 3 2013-09-22 23-187 BUF @ NYJ L 20-27 * 19 42 45.24% 243 1 0 71.8 5.79 6.26 6 40 6.67 0
        4 2013 4 2013-09-29 23-194 BUF
        BAL W 23-20 * 10 22 45.45% 167 1 2 48.9 7.59 4.41 11 1 0.09 0
        5 2013 5 2013-10-03 23-198 BUF @ CLE L 24-37 * 11 20 55.00% 129 0 0 74.8 6.45 6.45 1 14 14.00 0
        6 2013 10 2013-11-10 23-236 BUF @ PIT L 10-23 * 22 39 56.41% 155 1 1 63.5 3.97 3.33 2 17 8.50 0



        6 Games





        107 189 56.61% 1140 6 4 76.2 6.03 5.71 27 108 4.00 0
        True. This was by far his worst game. Im excited to see how he bounces back this week, especially because he also looked pretty pedestrian against the Jets last time. Doesnt hurt that I'll be at this game too!!

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        • EDS
          Registered User
          • Jan 2003
          • 5216

          #5
          Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

          Originally posted by X-Era View Post
          It's been good in most games just a few that it's bad. Like this last one:

          1 2013 1 2013-09-08 23-173 BUF
          NWE L 21-23 * 18 27 66.67% 150 2 0 105.5 5.56 7.04 3 23 7.67 0
          2 2013 2 2013-09-15 23-180 BUF
          CAR W 24-23 * 27 39 69.23% 296 1 1 89.3 7.59 6.95 4 13 3.25 0
          3 2013 3 2013-09-22 23-187 BUF @ NYJ L 20-27 * 19 42 45.24% 243 1 0 71.8 5.79 6.26 6 40 6.67 0
          4 2013 4 2013-09-29 23-194 BUF
          BAL W 23-20 * 10 22 45.45% 167 1 2 48.9 7.59 4.41 11 1 0.09 0
          5 2013 5 2013-10-03 23-198 BUF @ CLE L 24-37 * 11 20 55.00% 129 0 0 74.8 6.45 6.45 1 14 14.00 0
          6 2013 10 2013-11-10 23-236 BUF @ PIT L 10-23 * 22 39 56.41% 155 1 1 63.5 3.97 3.33 2 17 8.50 0



          6 Games





          107 189 56.61% 1140 6 4 76.2 6.03 5.71 27 108 4.00 0
          Rather, it was good in two games and bad in all the others. Bills won both the "good" games though!

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          • X-Era
            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
            • Feb 2005
            • 27670

            #6
            Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

            I think what he needs to do is get his completion percentage back above 60% like in the 1st 2 games.

            What I want Hackett to do is give him some more intermediate route options. Too much check downs. Roll him out some and put him under center more with deeper drops.

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            • X-Era
              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
              • Feb 2005
              • 27670

              #7
              Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

              Originally posted by EDS View Post
              Rather, it was good in two games and bad in all the others. Bills won both the "good" games though!
              I agree it's a factor in winning for sure.

              Like I said, get him into more intermediate options.

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              • Mr. Pink
                Peterman Sucks!
                • Mar 2006
                • 35303

                #8
                Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                His best performance was week 1 and he's steadily got worse each week with part of a decent performance against Cleveland.

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                • GingerP
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 1717

                  #9
                  Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                  Newton looks like he was a lot better. Newton made more mistakes, but he was called upon to throw a lot more (7 more attempts per game) and was able to generate a lot more yardage. He had a full 2 yards more per completion, which is why he threw for 1,847 yards to Manuel's 1,140. He blows his doors off.

                  They also conveniently leave off rushing yardage. Newton ran for over 200 yards and 6 TDs in his first 6 games as a pro. That compares to E.J.'s 100 yards and 0 TDs.

                  So, through 6 games Newton generated 13 TD's rushing and throwing, to Manuel's 6 in the same span. Yeah, he had more mistakes, but if you look at it Newton was up-and-down as a rookie. He had games where he absolutely carried his team (3 times throwing for over 300 yards and twice for over 400, accounting for multiple TD's in 5 of his first 6 games).

                  E.J. hasn't made a ton of mistakes, but he hasn't made a lot of plays either. He needs to be more of a play-maker, that is why he was drafted high. Newton may have struggled at times, but he has been a play-maker.

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                  • IlluminatusUIUC
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 8966

                    #10
                    Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                    Manuel takes more sacks despite throwing much shorter passes (note the enormous disparity in yardage) and BB.com completely ignored that Newton had twice as many rushing yards and 6 TDs by that point.


                    Edit: Ginger beat me to it. Damned gingers.


                    Billszone 2013 Prediction Contest winner!

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                    • X-Era
                      What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 27670

                      #11
                      Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                      Originally posted by Mr. Pink View Post
                      His best performance was week 1 and he's steadily got worse each week with part of a decent performance against Cleveland.
                      I can't disagree with this statement at this point.

                      I just feel like I like his pocket presence and that he doesn't get rattled. I think this game may be the wake up call he needs.

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                      • X-Era
                        What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 27670

                        #12
                        Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                        Originally posted by GingerP View Post
                        Newton looks like he was a lot better. Newton made more mistakes, but he was called upon to throw a lot more (7 more attempts per game) and was able to generate a lot more yardage. He had a full 2 yards more per completion, which is why he threw for 1,847 yards to Manuel's 1,140. He blows his doors off.

                        They also conveniently leave off rushing yardage. Newton ran for over 200 yards and 6 TDs in his first 6 games as a pro. That compares to E.J.'s 100 yards and 0 TDs.

                        So, through 6 games Newton generated 13 TD's rushing and throwing, to Manuel's 6 in the same span. Yeah, he had more mistakes, but if you look at it Newton was up-and-down as a rookie. He had games where he absolutely carried his team (3 times throwing for over 300 yards and twice for over 400, accounting for multiple TD's in 5 of his first 6 games).

                        E.J. hasn't made a ton of mistakes, but he hasn't made a lot of plays either. He needs to be more of a play-maker, that is why he was drafted high. Newton may have struggled at times, but he has been a play-maker.
                        I agree with this.

                        He needs to either not be so conservative or Hackett needs to open it up more.

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                        • coastal
                          Legendary Zoner
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 15513

                          #13
                          Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                          Originally posted by X-Era View Post
                          I agree with this.

                          He needs to either not be so conservative or Hackett needs to open it up more.
                          Or maybe he needs not to suck?

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                          • JCBills
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 3631

                            #14
                            Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                            I've been saying this.

                            People seem to totally forget that players do in fact develop. A foreign concept to many, but we've seen it all over the league and on Buffalo's roster.

                            It is almost like they enjoy the unreasonable pissing and moaning, I know at least a few do.

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                            • X-Era
                              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 27670

                              #15
                              Re: EJ vs. Cam Newtown... BB.com

                              Originally posted by coastal View Post
                              Or maybe he needs not to suck?
                              He does need to not suck. Think that's possible? That the jury is still out?

                              Or after 6 games in his rookie year should be just be **** canned?

                              Let's go with that. That way he can join Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman among many others who sucked in their first 6 games.

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