Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

[BertSquirtgum]

Constantly running east to west instead of north to south. Terrible.

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?475635-Why-CJ-Spiller-is-in-Marrones-Dog-House-(as-told-by-Joe-B-)

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

first people whine and say he is running up the gut too much. NOW he is taking flak for bouncing it outside like everyone has wanted to see.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

I don't remember anybody whining about that. I remember Spiller doing this same thing as a rookie. Last year, Gailey had it straightened out pretty well and he was hitting the proper holes. Not the case this year. He needs to be more patient like Fred. I have no idea why Fred isn't rubbing off on Spiller at all.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

There are certainly holes there and he is missing some, but our o-line isnt consistently opening any and arent doing as good of a job blocking period this year. Fred has taken advantage of the holes that ARE there by simply putting his head down and fighting for tough yards, where CJ has been trying to make the big play.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

Different blocking scheme could also be part of the issue. Marrone runs a lot of zone based blocking which is completely different from Gailey. That's not to excuse Spiller's struggles because they are apparent but he's adjusting to an entirely new blocking schematic this year.

[The King]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

Good Thread Hurkey.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

8 in the box on the first picture, 7 in the box on the second.

Why do you think he's bouncing outside?

There's nowhere to run up the middle.

And the funny part about Joe B's exhibits. A. CJ goes to that hole, the safety comes straight down on him and the run goes for maybe a yard. B. That hole has a linebacker in it. C. Maybe he's lucky and falls forward for a yard. D. Who cares?

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

8 in the box on the first picture, 7 in the box on the second.

Why do you think he's bouncing outside?

There's nowhere to run up the middle.

And the funny part about Joe B's exhibits. A. CJ goes to that hole, the safety comes straight down on him and the run goes for maybe a yard. B. That hole has a linebacker in it. C. Maybe he's lucky and falls forward for a yard. D. Who cares?

Maybe coach marrone cares that cj is putting his team in bad situations by not hitting holes in a designed run. Also, everything you said was wrong.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

Could be the reason we are seeing less and less of spiller as the year goes on.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

Could be the reason we are seeing less and less of spiller as the year goes on.

Hell Exhibit C the only way CJ gets anywhere besides down is if Erik Pears holds on the play. He's beat.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

If you want to get Spiller downhill get your QB out of the gun. With Thad we went under center a lot more, we even went under center more with Tuel than we ever do with EJ. I think EJ went under center half a dozen times against Pitt.

Gailey had plenty of gun, but his gun run game was a mix or power and zone concepts, and he also mixed in Pistol runs. Pistol is great for getting your RB downhill while maintaining some of the benefits of a gun pass game. Hard to go north south when you're lining up directly next to the QB.

CJs never had elite vision, but I think he's better when you force him to go downhill. By lining him up the way they are he's more tempted to go east west.

[Homegrown]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

CJ is like a NASCAR driver ... he goes left a lot

[OpIv37]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

first people whine and say he is running up the gut too much. NOW he is taking flak for bouncing it outside like everyone has wanted to see.

The frustration is that he doesn't know when to run up the gut and when to use his speed to bounce it outside. It's not one or the other- it's him not knowing the difference. It's understandable for a rookie but not for a guy who's been around as long as Spiller.

[SquishDaFish]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

What pissed me off this week was the constant changing of the backs every other down or 2. Let the damn RB either Jackson or Spiller stay in for a whole drive or most of it anyway. No way can they get into any kind of groove

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Why CJ Spiller isn't good this year. From BBMB.

8 in the box on the first picture, 7 in the box on the second.

Why do you think he's bouncing outside?

There's nowhere to run up the middle.

And the funny part about Joe B's exhibits. A. CJ goes to that hole, the safety comes straight down on him and the run goes for maybe a yard. B. That hole has a linebacker in it. C. Maybe he's lucky and falls forward for a yard. D. Who cares?

A: 15 yards between him and the safety. How many would he get before the safety got there? 5-8 yards, imo.
B: You can see lee smith heading towards that linebacker. An easy 3-4 yards, imo.
C: With CJs speed there is a hole to his right but he most likely would have been tackle as there is two Pittsburgh players to the Bills' one. Going to the left here, looked like the right idea.