Board is so fickle

[Lefty2985]

All to often I am on here it's attacking different players. One week EJ sucks the next week god Byrd needs to go now he needs to stay. We have to resign Johnson now he needs to go. EJ needs time before making an assessment one way or the other. Byrd frustrated all of us with the contract crap but now he is playing like himself now all the love to him. Johnson plays great no problem he wants the ball and is now a problem. He gets open NOT a number 1 but is needed ppl! Serious ppl stop being so annoying with stupid post. None of them are perfect and neither any of us. If you have never had bad days or moments kudos. There is a lot of public pressure and they get paid more then they should for their job but they are human ppl.

[coastal]

I have always liked women.

[justasportsfan]

I have always liked women.

Like you've always liked Mario?

[trapezeus]

Lefty2985 had a bad post. we should cut him.

[Skooby]

Stevie will cost us $8.5 M for a #2 WR at best, it's going to be real hard to spend $8.5 on him & his groin that gets injured while he makes coffee. His stats are more a low 2nd WR, even though he's lovable to many folks. I'm not impressed & he's not worth $5 M, so if he wants to stay it's time for a paycut.

[coastal]

Like you've always liked Mario?
I can spot fool's gold a mile away.

[imbondz]

Lefty sucks!

[Gilly]

Stevie will cost us $8.5 M for a #2 WR at best, it's going to be real hard to spend $8.5 on him & his groin that gets injured while he makes coffee. His stats are more a low 2nd WR, even though he's lovable to many folks. I'm not impressed & he's not worth $5 M, so if he wants to stay it's time for a paycut.

http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1208986/index.htm
Stevie Johnson is not an elite fantasy receiver. He's simply an elite receiver. Just ask the best cover men in the game.
That's not to say his numbers are bad for weekend GMs: Johnson is the first receiver in Bills history to have three straight 1,000-yard seasons, let alone two. On Sunday he caught his 28th career touchdown in his 71st game—a far-from-flashy total that's due more than anything to the fact that his quarterbacks have been J.P. Losman, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, E.J. Manuel and Thaddeus Lewis. Johnson is better known, though, for his wallet-lightening touchdown celebrations and a regrettable tweet in which he blamed the Almighty for letting him drop a game-winning touchdown against the Steelers in 2010. Behind the bravado stands one of only seven receivers in NFL history to have three seasons of 75 catches, 1,000 yards and five touchdowns before his 27th birthday.

But the stats are window dressing. As Pro Football Focus analyst Sam Monson—who has seen everything under the NFL sun 10,000 times—wrote, "Every NFL player reminds me of someone else. He doesn't remind me of anyone else."


Johnson's abstract style of route running looked foreign to Darrelle Revis during their three head-to-head games in 2011 and '12, when Revis was a Jet. In the first matchup Johnson caught three balls for 84 yards, more than any receiver had ever put up against Revis. The second game saw Johnson catch eight balls for 75 yards when covered by Revis. Their third matchup came in last year's opener, two weeks before Revis's season-ending knee injury, and was generally judged a 12-round decision for Revis.
By last December, when the 5--8 Bills hosted the 8--5 Seahawks, Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman had staked his claim as Revis's successor as the league's best corner. Late in the first quarter of a game largely unviewed outside of King and Erie Counties, Johnson was isolated out left against Sherman. At the snap Johnson slipped a punch from the hyperphysical Sherman while counterpunching with his right hand. Duly separated from Sherman, he picked up 17 yards and a first down on a quick slant from Fitzpatrick. In the second quarter, with the Bills trailing 31--7 and in obvious pass mode, Johnson lined up in the left slot at the Seahawks' 20, showed Sherman an outside release, then leaped inside him and sprinted up the seam. Sherman was glued to him until Johnson faked a post with his head and shoulders while stabbing his right foot into the turf and turning into a post corner that left Sherman's dreadlocks wagging 10 yards in his wake. It was the kind of freewheeling, reaction-based route Johnson has become known for, and it was only the second score Sherman had allowed all season.


Though at 27 he is 10 months younger than Megatron, Stevie Johnson is now being phased into a new role as a slot receiver, a move mandated by the Bills' new 33-year-old offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett. But there's no reason to think Johnson can't thrive in the slot; he's a shifty receiver who always gets where he needs to be but never seems to get there the same way twice. But the shift may leave us with only the previous three seasons as testament to the possibilities that Johnson brought to the X position. His act is now a brilliant art-house film playing while The Era of the Ridiculous Wide Receiver,starring Calvin and Andre Johnson, costarring Larry Fitzgerald, is in the multiplexes. We'll also have the tattered freak flag that's still planted on Revis Island. And we have the hope that the legs of those two men will hold up until Dec. 8, when we'll see another rematch in Tampa.

[imbondz]

Nah lefty's ok with me

[HAMMER]

Stevie will cost us $8.5 M for a #2 WR at best, it's going to be real hard to spend $8.5 on him & his groin that gets injured while he makes coffee. His stats are more a low 2nd WR, even though he's lovable to many folks. I'm not impressed & he's not worth $5 M, so if he wants to stay it's time for a paycut.

You stole the coffee line from me, weak man, weak.

[Skooby]

You stole the coffee line from me, weak man, weak.

LOL. I leased it from you, well yeah I stole it.

[JCBills]

Stevie will cost us $8.5 M for a #2 WR at best, it's going to be real hard to spend $8.5 on him & his groin that gets injured while he makes coffee. His stats are more a low 2nd WR, even though he's lovable to many folks. I'm not impressed & he's not worth $5 M, so if he wants to stay it's time for a paycut.

What other "low #2 WR"s have 3 1,000 yd seasons in a row?

[Skooby]

What other "low #2 WR"s have 3 1,000 yd seasons in a row?

What's our remaining WR total combined yards during those years ?

[Skooby]

Crickets....

[GvilleBills]

Stevie hate is delusional. He's a damn good bargain for a WR1. He's tough, loves Buffalo, and cannot be checked at the LOS.
"Well I don't think he's a WR1, and shouldn't be payed like one."
It doesn't matter what Stevie would be on another team, he's on the Bills. He's OUR number 1 WR. And his salary is middle of the road. As more WRs hit on growing FA money, $8.5 will start to look cheap, If the Bills get a WR who is clearly better than Stevie, I'm all for renegotiating.

[WagonCircler]

All to often I am on here it's attacking different players. One week EJ sucks the next week...

There are a couple of pretty simple reasons for this.

For starters, threes the fact that some weeks EJ sucks, others he doesn't.

And then there's that whole "this is a message board" thing.

[Night Train]

Justin Rogers sucks. Cut him !

[JCBills]

What's our remaining WR total combined yards during those years ?

Who else has been on the team? Just because the other options weren't great doesn't take away from Stevie. You're complaining about a guy being a fiery competitor. Ridiculous. By your own logic based on one game, you would have to say Woods doesn't fit either. This is absurd.

[JCBills]

Crickets....

Because 25 minutes is an eternity.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Of course its fickle, find sports fans who aren't fickle. The Chiefs fans want to cut Dwayne Bowe, and now a lot of them are upset about the Chiefs lack of defense. Being a fan often precludes rational thought. Hell take me for instance, if Jeff Tuel had beat the Browns and Chiefs I think he should be considered for a starting job somewhere. I like Steve Johnson, but when he dropped those passes in New Jersey back in 11 I wanted him cut. Find a football fan who isn't fickle, they don't exist.

[Skooby]

Who else has been on the team? Just because the other options weren't great doesn't take away from Stevie. You're complaining about a guy being a fiery competitor. Ridiculous. By your own logic based on one game, you would have to say Woods doesn't fit either. This is absurd.

How about you lay out the numbers & let's review them together. I mean if you're going to tout the 2nd tier one-trick pony we've been riding then it should be discussed.

[JCBills]

How about you lay out the numbers & let's review them together. I mean if you're going to tout the 2nd tier one-trick pony we've been riding then it should be discussed.

I don't think you realize what you're saying, because it reads a little like this:

"Because we have had one good WR for the past few seasons with sub-par QB play, it is that one good WR's fault for the lack of production from the rest of the group."

I mean, what? Stevie is a cancer for being open? For being the best option to get the ball to?

Donald Jones and Naaman Roosevelt aren't names that keep D coordinators up at night, so I don't know why that is Stevie's fault. David Nelson was actually pretty productive in 2011 with Stevie getting more attention.

[Lefty2985]

Team will never be good with all the cuts ppl always wanna make. Yes I know they haven't been good anyways.

[Crisis]

Skooby's logic on Stevie is so mind-numbingly stupid.

[JoeMama]

All to often I am on here it's attacking different players. One week EJ sucks the next week god Byrd needs to go now he needs to stay. We have to resign Johnson now he needs to go. EJ needs time before making an assessment one way or the other. Byrd frustrated all of us with the contract crap but now he is playing like himself now all the love to him. Johnson plays great no problem he wants the ball and is now a problem. He gets open NOT a number 1 but is needed ppl! Serious ppl stop being so annoying with stupid post. None of them are perfect and neither any of us. If you have never had bad days or moments kudos. There is a lot of public pressure and they get paid more then they should for their job but they are human ppl.

Is this your first day on a football forum?

When it comes to fan opinion, if you're expecting steady, somber consensus instead of week-to-week anarchy, you haven't been paying attention.

[GvilleBills]

Who else has been on the team? Just because the other options weren't great doesn't take away from Stevie. You're complaining about a guy being a fiery competitor. Ridiculous. By your own logic based on one game, you would have to say Woods doesn't fit either. This is absurd.
Didn't you hear? Skooby, err I mean Stevie, is needy.

[kishoph]

What's our remaining WR total combined yards during those years ?

Wow, that is beyond stupid, the Lions 2nd leading WR last year (Titus Young) had 33 catches, Damn Calvin Johnson must really suck.

[JCBills]

I love it. A 5'9'' WR has a good game and now Stevie is a problem. Not taking anything away from Goodwin.

[WagonCircler]

I love it. A 5'9'' WR has a good game and now Stevie is a problem. Not taking anything away from Goodwin.

Oh, by the way, that 5' 9" WR is the fastest man in the NFL.

And he doesn't seem to be a douchebag diva who's rather be a ****ty rapper than a football player.

[BertSquirtgum]

Oh, by the way, that 5' 9" WR is the fastest man in the NFL.

And he doesn't seem to be a douchebag diva who's rather be a ****ty rapper than a football player.

Aaron Maybin isn't on the Bills anymore.

[Skooby]

Wow, that is beyond stupid, the Lions 2nd leading WR last year (Titus Young) had 33 catches, Damn Calvin Johnson must really suck.

He's averaging 19.2 YPC, if Stevie was within 40% of that then we'd be great. He's not so really horrible example.

[kishoph]

He's averaging 19.2 YPC, if Stevie was within 40% of that then we'd be great. He's not so really horrible example.


If Stevie would of had a QB that could throw the ball 19.2 yards in the last few years, I'm sure his stats would have shown it.

[pmoon6]

He's averaging 19.2 YPC, if Stevie was within 40% of that then we'd be great. He's not so really horrible example.I'm not great at math, but Stevie is at 11.5 YPC. Pretty close to within 40%. As a matter of fact, it is within 40.11%.

I guess that means we're grrrrreat!!!

But, far be it from me to intrude on your hate for a player that plays hurt, gives 100%, makes great moves off the LOS to get open and one of the only receivers that was successful against the great Darrell Revis.

Carry on.

[pmoon6]

If Stevie would of had a QB that could throw the ball 19.2 yards in the last few years, I'm sure his stats would have shown it.He didn't have bad stats with Fitzy. Over a thousand yards in '11 and '12 with 13.2 YPC. Good enough to be in the top 20 in reception yards both years.

That's why I don't understand the "Stevie isn't a number 1 receiver" thing. He is at least better than the WRs on 12 other teams, at least statistically.

His bugaboo is he drops a lot of passes in the clutch.

[Skooby]

I'm not great at math, but Stevie is at 11.5 YPC. Pretty close to within 40%. As a matter of fact, it is within 40.11%.

I guess that means we're grrrrreat!!!

But, far be it from me to intrude on your hate for a player that plays hurt, gives 100%, makes great moves off the LOS to get open and one of the only receivers that was successful against the great Darrell Revis.

Carry on.

You're good at math.

[pmoon6]

You're good at math.It was of my best subjects in school, but that was back when the Cro-Magnons were still fighting the Neanderthals for dominance of the species.

[Bill Cody]

his groin that gets injured while he makes coffee.

wow where does he keep the pot?:idunno: