If we get lucky, we'll draft 5th in every round

[Skooby]

Maybe JAX will school us & ATL win next week which will put us at 6th in the draft, there's a chance for 4th maybe 3rd in the draft but 5th looks about right.

[Mr. Pink]

We can draft Clinton Dix to replace Byrd!

That's OBD typical M.O. right there.

I'm excited, are you excited?

[SpikedLemonade]

4-12 should get us to the 4th pick overall.

[alohabillsfan]

I hope it's a QB

[Mr. Miyagi]

Is there a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green in this year's draft?

[Skooby]

Is there a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green in this year's draft?

DIX would rock, we need a OROTY to make a difference.

[TacklingDummy]

Is there a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green in this year's draft?


Could be but the Bills will pass and pick another Alabama player in Dix.
No thanks.

[kingJofNYC]

We'll win this week, because it's what this team does. Just enough to keep us out of the top 5, not that it matters, they'll **** it up anyway.

[BillsFever21]

We can draft Clinton Dix to replace Byrd!

That's OBD typical M.O. right there.

I'm excited, are you excited?

We can use two of our first three draft picks on a guard and safety to replace Levitre and Byrd instead of using them on OLB, LT/RT, CB or WR. Or maybe even a DT to groom and transition into Kyle Williams' spot in a year or two.

Hell we already wasted two draft picks on safeties this year as insurance for losing Byrd. A lot of good that did when we could've grabbed a guard and another position for depth with them draft picks.

[The Jokeman]

If we pick in the top 5 and Pettine is still our DC do we take Anthony Carr and switch over to a 3-4?

[Mr. Cynical]

We've sucked for 14 years and have had high drafts in almost all of them. What makes anyone think "yet another high draft position" is going to matter? Honestly, the only thing that will turn this around is attitude. Maybe Marrone will help that, we have to see. But until someone steps up and helps create some kind of personality/identity for this team, it'll be the same thing year in and year out. JM2c.

[The Jokeman]

We've sucked for 14 years and have had high drafts in almost all of them. What makes anyone think "yet another high draft position" is going to matter? Honestly, the only thing that will turn this around is attitude. Maybe Marrone will help that, we have to see. But until someone steps up and helps create some kind of personality/identity for this team, it'll be the same thing year in and year out. JM2c.

If we can keep Byrd and Pettine around I think we could make the identity of this as a tough D if can find another pass rusher. As eluded in my prior post in this thread we could grab a strong OLB prospect like Barr next year and transition over to a 3-4 next year. Granted we'd have to find a NT and find another ILB (unless we shift Manny inside) to make the full transition.

[BillsFever21]

Is there a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green in this year's draft?

It's too bad that Kelvin Benjamin is only a sophomore this season. That dude is a beast and would love to see him in a Bills uniform.

[Mr. Pink]

It's too bad that Kelvin Benjamin is only a sophomore this season. That dude is a beast and would love to see him in a Bills uniform.

Can always draft him next year after another 5 win season.

But I'm sure we'll need to draft T.J. Yeldon to replace either Spiller or Jackson or both.

[The Jokeman]

Can always draft him next year after another 5 win season.

But I'm sure we'll need to draft T.J. Yeldon to replace either Spiller or Jackson or both.

The question is what team are we trading Spiller to this offseason? I'm guessing Arizona.

[Skooby]

Pettine is going nowhere this year, we're missing about 3 healthy pieces from this team breaking the top 10. Kiko is also our best player on defense, pray for another find like him.

[TacklingDummy]

We've sucked for 14 years and have had high drafts in almost all of them. What makes anyone think "yet another high draft position" is going to matter?

Since 2000...16, 10, 3, 9, 11, 11, 12, 8, 55, 13, 23, 3, 21, 26. Just high enough to stay mediocre. Not even good at being bad.

[X-Era]

TEAMS W L T SOS
1 Houston Texans 2 11 0.538
2 St. Louis Rams (WAS) 3 10 0.538
3 Atlanta Falcons 3 10 0.559
4 Minnesota Vikings 3 9 1 0.491
5 Oakland Raiders 4 9 0.473
6 Jacksonville Jaguars 4 9 0.503
7 Cleveland Browns 4 9 0.527
8 Buffalo Bills 4 9 0.533
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 9 0.556
10 Pittsburgh Steelers 5 8 0.470

Updated last night.

I think the Falcons may beat Wash, they drop below us in a tie-breaker.
The Vikes won't win another game
Raiders won't win another game
Jags probably beat us or maybe Tenn
Cleveland drops below in a tie-breaker but may beat Pitt anyway
The Rams might be TB. But then it would be SOS.

I think at best we're the 4 pick but more likely we pick between 5 and 7.

And there I would think about Watkins, Barr, maybe Mack. I wouldn't mind moving down to mid-later 1st and getting a 2nd rounder. We might still get Ebron. Then could land Moncrief in the 2nd and then Gabe Jackson or David Yankey.

[X-Era]

Is there a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green in this year's draft?Not proven like both were coming out. Sammy Watkins, Marqise Lee are the top guys and both are play-makers just not as sure fire as Megatron or Green.

I'm a fan of Donte Moncrief from Ole Miss.

[TacklingDummy]

Not proven like both were coming out. Sammy Watkins, Marqise Lee are the top guys and both are play-makers just not as sure fire as Megatron or Green.

I'm a fan of Donte Moncrief from Ole Miss.


Most of the Mocks I've read have Mike Evans 6'5" going top 11, Watkins 6'1" going 11-20, and Lee 6'0" going 20-30.

I'll draft the slightly slower Evans 4.55 forty, over the 4 inch shorter Watkins 4.40 forty and 5 inches shorter Lee whose forty is also 4.40.
We need a tall receiver who is a threat in the redzone.

[X-Era]

Most of the Mocks I've read have Mike Evans 6'5" going top 11, Watkins 6'1" going 11-20, and Lee 6'0" going 20-30.

I'll draft the slightly slower Evans 4.55 forty, over the 4 inch shorter Watkins 4.40 forty and 5 inches shorter Lee whose forty is also 4.40.
We need a tall receiver who is a threat in the redzone.I agree but Evans isn't my top possession guy. I'd rather give up a few inches add speed while also having an ability to muscle defenders and fight for the ball. And Moncrief runs a sub 4.5 and is better (IMO) at fighting for the ball than Evans. Watkins and Lee are play-makers and neither are smurfs like Graham and Goodwin. It's not just height it's also build.

[Skooby]

I agree but Evans isn't my top possession guy. I'd rather give up a few inches add speed while also having an ability to muscle defenders and fight for the ball. And Moncrief runs a sub 4.5 and is better (IMO) at fighting for the ball than Evans. Watkins and Lee are play-makers and neither are smurfs like Graham and Goodwin. It's not just height it's also build.

Good points.

[The Jokeman]

I agree but Evans isn't my top possession guy. I'd rather give up a few inches add speed while also having an ability to muscle defenders and fight for the ball. And Moncrief runs a sub 4.5 and is better (IMO) at fighting for the ball than Evans. Watkins and Lee are play-makers and neither are smurfs like Graham and Goodwin. It's not just height it's also build.

I find the it very ironic that Bills fans are debating whether to draft a WR named Lee or Evans. That said as much as feel we need a WR I can't see us drafting one high. I've mentioned in other threads of veterans UFAs that could probably step in and give this team what we lack which is basically a compliment to Steve Johnson. Guys like James Jones, Hakeem Nicks, Eric Decker and Jeremy Maclin are available. Hopefully we can nab one of them.

[coastal]

Johnny football!!!

[The Jokeman]

Johnny football!!!

Hell no.

[stuckincincy]

As of 12/11, they are "seeded" at #8:

TEAMS W L T SOS

1 Houston Texans 2 11 0.538
2 St. Louis Rams 3 10 0.544 (from WAS)
3 Atlanta Falcons 3 10 0.559
4 Minnesota Vikes 3 9 1 0.503
5 Oakland Raiders 4 9 0.473
6 Jacksvl Jaguars 4 9 0.503
7 Cleveland Browns 4 9 0.527
8 Buffalo Bills 4 9 0.533
9 Tampa Bay Bucs 4 9 0.562
10 Pittsburgh Stlers 5 8 0.476
11 Tennessee Titans 5 8 0.527
12 St. Louis Rams 5 8 0.533
13 New York Giants 5 8 0.533
14 New York Jets 6 7 0.485
15 San Die Chargers 6 7 0.491

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24370652/updated-nfl-draft-order-week-14

[coastal]

Hell no.
Why the **** not?

the kid can play football. I haven't seen EJ do that.

[TacklingDummy]

As of 12/11, they are "seeded" at #8:

TEAMS W L T SOS

1 Houston Texans 2 11 0.538
2 St. Louis Rams 3 10 0.544 (from WAS)
3 Atlanta Falcons 3 10 0.559
4 Minnesota Vikes 3 9 1 0.503
5 Oakland Raiders 4 9 0.473
6 Jacksvl Jaguars 4 9 0.503
7 Cleveland Browns 4 9 0.527
8 Buffalo Bills 4 9 0.533
9 Tampa Bay Bucs 4 9 0.562
10 Pittsburgh Stlers 5 8 0.476
11 Tennessee Titans 5 8 0.527
12 St. Louis Rams 5 8 0.533
13 New York Giants 5 8 0.533
14 New York Jets 6 7 0.485
15 San Die Chargers 6 7 0.491

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24370652/updated-nfl-draft-order-week-14

So Kuechly Pass Interference call may have cost us the 2nd pick. Yah more meaningless wins.

[X-Era]

I find the it very ironic that Bills fans are debating whether to draft a WR named Lee or Evans. That said as much as feel we need a WR I can't see us drafting one high. I've mentioned in other threads of veterans UFAs that could probably step in and give this team what we lack which is basically a compliment to Steve Johnson. Guys like James Jones, Hakeem Nicks, Eric Decker and Jeremy Maclin are available. Hopefully we can nab one of them.
Eric Decker is the type for player Marrone is looking for. Rugged, good kid, tough minded, lunch pail type player. Loved him at Minn. He'd be a nice #3 maybe #2 and is more of a possession type with sure hands.

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Why the **** not?

the kid can play football. I haven't seen EJ do that.He can play college football. So could Tim Tebow.

[pmoon6]

:rofl:

[k-oneputt]

Are there any kickers out there we can waste draft picks on ?

Who the f does that ? That's right the Bills.

[k-oneputt]

Or maybe back to back safties when your team doesn't have any guards. Got it.

[TacklingDummy]

Eric Decker is the type for player Marrone is looking for. Rugged, good kid, tough minded, lunch pail type player. Loved him at Minn. He'd be a nice #3 maybe #2 and is more of a possession type with sure hands.


With our QB situation Calvin Johnson would look like a bust.

[TacklingDummy]

Newest Mocks....

9 Buffalo Bills: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

The Bills secondary needs a lot of help. Justin Gilbert can help them by starting sooner than later .

8 Buffalo Bills: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
With tons of quarterbacks flying off the board, the Bills are in position to take the best player available. It could be argued that Mike Evans would fit that description.

Buffalo has Stevie Johnson and Robert Woods as its starting wideouts, but neither is a No. 1 receiver. E.J. Manuel could definitely make a second-year leap with a dominant weapon at his disposal.

7. Buffalo Bills: WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson


8. Sammy Watkins WR

#9) Buffalo Bills - Jace Amaro (TE Texas Tech) Jace Amaro NFL Draft

I'm not an E.J Manuel supporter at all, but the Bills have tied their hopes to him and therefore need to get him as much help as possible. Stevie Johnson and Robert Woods are good starting points, but neither is considered elite. It's hard to see them investing a whole lot more in the receiver position when their tight end situation is so bad. Adding somebody like Jace Amaro to pair with Scott Chandler could really add another dimension to this offense. Amaro and Chandler would complement each other nicely, allowing the Bills to move the dynamic receiving Amaro all over the field and split him out wide to take advantage of his athleticism, but keep Chandler as an in-line blocker which is his strength.

8 Buffalo Bills: Khalil Mack, DE/OLB, Buffalo

This just works out too perfectly for Buffalo. Not only do they fill a need at a rush linebacker opposite of Mario Williams, but they get a hometown product as well. Khalil Mack has been one of my favorite players to watch this season as he has been a dominant force for Buffalo. You could argue that he has been dominating lesser competition, but in the game against Ohio State this year he played just as good if not better than he had against all the other teams he had faced.

12. Buffalo Bills: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

8. Buffalo Bills – Khalil Mack, DE/OLB, Buffalo

Khalil Mack came into this season as a preseason All-American, but still fell under the radar because he plays at Buffalo. When Buffalo took on Ohio State early in the season, Mack simply dominated the Buckeyes with 2.5 sacks and an 45 yard interception return for a touchdown. This gave Mack the national recognition he deserved and really put him on the map for the NFL. He has been unstoppable this year with 94 tackles, 10.5 sacks, and 3 interceptions with 2 being returned for touchdowns. Mack would be a perfect fit in Buffalo’s defense as they continue to improve their pass rush.

11) Buffalo Bills – Khalil Mack – OLB/DE, Buffalo
Has 44 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 passes batted, 2 int’s & 10 TFL in 2013. Dominated Ohio St. in opener w/ 9 tackles, 2.5 sacks & had a int returned 45 yards for td. Would fit in nice next to Rookie of Year candidate ILB Kiki Alonso & really beef up front 7. Also would be great local pick & put more people in stands. Hard hitter & fast. Plays sideline to sideline. 6’3" 248 lbs.


3. Buffalo Bills (4-12) - Anthony Barr (OLB/UCLA)

Buffalo has Mario Williams, but they have little else in the pass rush department. If they want to dethrone Tom Brady, they will need to bring in more pass rushers.

9. Buffalo Bills: LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama

12. Buffalo-Vic Beasley, LB/DE, Clemson-Buffalo is looking for a pass rush specialist. Though undersized, Beasley is a beast who goes 100 mph to the QB.

[pmoon6]

Are there any kickers out there we can waste draft picks on ?

Who the f does that ? That's right the Bills.The Jets drafted Mike Nugent in the second round. Janikowski was taken in the first by Oakland. I believe Jason Hanson and Chip Lohmiller were taken high as well.

I don't think any played for Buffalo.

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I want the outside 'backer.

[k-oneputt]

Jets, Oakland, Detroit, Buffalo ......get the picture the last 15 yrs.

[k-oneputt]

The last two seasons the Bills have had 17 draft picks. They have used 4 of those picks on 2 kickers and 2 safties{not cb's, safties}. That is almost 25 percent of picks wasted. And this is not from a Super Bowl contending team. Beyond asinine, thus another year without the play-offs. I won't even get into the small speed recievers that are basically useless due to the fact you don't have a qb that can throw more then 10 yds downfield.

[pmoon6]

Jets, Oakland, Detroit, Buffalo ......get the picture the last 15 yrs.The point is, we never drafted a kicker high.

But, continue to use dumb ad hominems to rant about the presumed failures of One Bills Drive.

Can I get you a tissue?

[k-oneputt]

The point is, we never drafted a kicker high.

But, continue to use dumb ad hominems to rant about the presumed failures of One Bills Drive.

Can I get you a tissue?

"presumed" LOL !!!!! Really ? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid .

[pmoon6]

"presumed" LOL !!!!! Really ? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid .I don't think Dareus, Spiller, Woods, Goodwin, Aaron Williams, Eric Wood, Kyle Williams or Byrd were bad picks.

Of course, unless we hit 7 out of 7 every year, it isn't good enough for Bills' Fans.

Oh, and I'll drink more Koolaid after you finish sucking my dick.

[k-oneputt]

What are you 18 yrs old ?

It' not about hitting 7 for 7 it is the position being drafted.

[pmoon6]

What are you 18 yrs old ?

It' not about hitting 7 for 7 it is the position being drafted.No, 16...at least at heart.

[TacklingDummy]

I don't think Dareus, Spiller, Woods, Goodwin, Aaron Williams, Eric Wood, Kyle Williams or Byrd were bad picks.

Of course, unless we hit 7 out of 7 every year, it isn't good enough for Bills' Fans.

Oh, and I'll drink more Koolaid after you finish sucking my dick.

Dareus was a bad pick because of all the stars that were drafted after him and having All-Pro DT Kyle Williams already on roster.

Spiller was a bad pick because Lynch and Jackson were already on roster.

[feldspar]

As Bills fans, why not think big? We still have a shot picking first overall.

I'm not one to actually root for such things because if your team folds, that's a reflection of larger issues. I'd like to see evidence of Doug Marrone being able to motivate this team when they are 4-9. We're going to have to live with Marrone for at least the next two years probably, and I want to see the Bills not quit here. If they do, then they are truly a bunch of bums, and having a higher draft pick next year will not change that or solve anything. None of the people in charge will lose their jobs no matter what.

The Bills probably wouldn't even go QB with their first pick no matter where they pick anyway, even though maybe they should consider it. That's the only way picking higher would make any big difference.

[pmoon6]

Dareus was a bad pick because of all the stars that were drafted after him and having All-Pro DT Kyle Williams already on roster.

Spiller was a bad pick because Lynch and Jackson were already on roster.The Spiller pick showed you the FO's intention. They were going to trade Lynch because of his off field crap and if he screwed up again, he would be suspended for a year.

I don't care if others taken after Dareus have done well. We were like 31st against the run and weak in the middle. Who should we have taken? A wide receiver?

Only an idiot thinks that way, then again, that word describes most of Buffalo's fanbase.

[feldspar]

The Spiller pick showed you the FO's intention. They were going to trade Lynch because of his off field crap and if he screwed up again, he would be suspended for a year.

I don't care if others taken after Dareus have done well. We were like 31st against the run and weak in the middle. Who should we have taken? A wide receiver?

Only an idiot thinks that way, then again, that word describes most of Buffalo's fanbase.

Dareus was the ONLY pick that made sense at #3 at the time. I do not regret the pick whatsoever. I don't care who made the Pro Bowl, Dareus was the right pick.

I always thought the Lynch trade was idiotic.

[Mr. Pink]

The Spiller pick showed you the FO's intention. They were going to trade Lynch because of his off field crap and if he screwed up again, he would be suspended for a year.

I don't care if others taken after Dareus have done well. We were like 31st against the run and weak in the middle. Who should we have taken? A wide receiver?

Only an idiot thinks that way, then again, that word describes most of Buffalo's fanbase.

And with Dareus, they're still terrible against the run. 28th, 31st, 26th since taking him.

Yet it's a good pick?

Trading Lynch is what it is, but drafting a RB that high to replace him was completely unnecessary. Jackson could handle the load and you can take a mid round pick at RB to spell him or sign one of the dime a dozen RBs who hit FA yearly to do that.

So Spiller is a good pick too?

Both picks were terrible in terms of need, value and production vs average NFL player.

[pmoon6]

And with Dareus, they're still terrible against the run. 28th, 31st, 26th since taking him.

Yet it's a good pick?

Trading Lynch is what it is, but drafting a RB that high to replace him was completely unnecessary. Jackson could handle the load and you can take a mid round pick at RB to spell him or sign one of the dime a dozen RBs who hit FA yearly to do that.

So Spiller is a good pick too?

Both picks were terrible in terms of need, value and production vs average NFL player.Hmmm. 7 sacks for a DT.

Yeah, he sucks.

[Mr. Pink]

Hmmm. 7 sacks for a DT.

Yeah, he sucks.

You said the reason to take him was to shore up the anemic rush defense. Well, it didn't work. When presented the evidence it didn't work, you change the criteria of why he was a good pick?

[feldspar]

You said the reason to take him was to shore up the anemic rush defense. Well, it didn't work. When presented the evidence it didn't work, you change the criteria of why he was a good pick?

One stat isn't evidence of anything at all.

If you watched the games and understood them, you'd see that the Bills are much better against the run this year under Mike Pettine. A much better overall defense for that matter. Coaching and scheme are very important, as this goes to show.

If you want to look at a stat to measure the run defense, look at the yards-per-carry allowed stat because that's more telling. The Bills are tied for 17th there this year. Last year, they were 31st. Even then it doesn't tell the whole story...give up a few huge runs, and that average goes up considerably. Only four other teams had more rushes attempted against them, so just ranking by yardage doesn't do the trick. Gotta look at how much your offense puts your defense back on the field, too.

If we are talking about Dareus, you'd have to look at a particular play to see how much of his fault any successful run was. But Dareus doesn't play a sexy enough position for most fans to focus on in any given play. He's double-teamed a lot too, just taking up blockers.

Dareus is a necessary part of the puzzle. The kid is still only 23-years-old. He's a really good player, and I see him getting better.

[Mr. Pink]

One stat isn't evidence of anything at all.

If you watched the games and understood them, you'd see that the Bills are much better against the run this year under Mike Pettine. A much better overall defense for that matter. Coaching and scheme are very important, as this goes to show.

If you want to look at a stat to measure the run defense, look at the yards-per-carry allowed stat because that's more telling. The Bills are tied for 17th there this year. Last year, they were 31st. Even then it doesn't tell the whole story...give up a few huge runs, and that average goes up considerably. Only four other teams had more rushes attempted against them, so just ranking by yardage doesn't do the trick. Gotta look at how much your offense puts your defense back on the field, too.

If we are talking about Dareus, you'd have to look at a particular play to see how much of his fault any successful run was. But Dareus doesn't play a sexy enough position for most fans to focus on in any given play. He's double-teamed a lot too, just taking up blockers.

Dareus is a necessary part of the puzzle. The kid is still only 23-years-old. He's a really good player, and I see him getting better.

Of course they're better this year. They went from 31st to 26th.

I don't know in what league being bottom 6 in a category is considered good though.

But hey they've marginally improved!!!! Lets be excited about that. Maybe next year we'll approach how good the run defense was under Dick Jauron. They were 22nd against the run in Jauron's last full season.

And defensively, they're a point and a half per game better.

But hey, hang your hat on marginal improvements like they're much better.

[pmoon6]

You said the reason to take him was to shore up the anemic rush defense. Well, it didn't work. When presented the evidence it didn't work, you change the criteria of why he was a good pick?So what? I said that's why they picked him. Are you so obtuse that you don't know that stopping the run is a function of the front seven, not just one man?

I shouldn't waste my time arguing with you, you don't think any of our players are any good. You think the front office sucks and you think a new head coach should come in immediately, change the culture and go 8-8.

You're one of the biggest asswipes on here. Go pull for the Jets, Patriots or Dolphins. They have 10's of thousands of crybabies and bandwagoners. You would fit in nicely.

[Mr. Pink]

So what? I said that's why they picked him. Are you so obtuse that you don't know that stopping the run is a function of the front seven, not just one man?

I shouldn't waste my time arguing with you, you don't think any of our players are any good. You think the front office sucks and you think a new head coach should come in immediately, change the culture and go 8-8.

You're one of the biggest asswipes on here. Go pull for the Jets, Patriots or Dolphins. They have 10's of thousands of crybabies and bandwagoners. You would fit in nicely.

There are good players. Dareus, Spiller and Manuel just aren't any of them.

Dareus, by far, is the most overrated player by this fanbase. He's an average replaceable NFL player that fans think is some kind of probowl stud. He's the weakest link on the D-line. But hey people can claim he's doubled on every play - he's not, they can say his garbage sacks are something meaningful - Jerry Hughes has just as many is he awesome too? Dareus gets pushed around more often than not and is completely out of position or rendered meaningless on rushing downs, which is part of the reason the run defense is as bad as it is. Another reason is Mario Williams is just as useless against the run but he's at least stronger vs the pass. The point of attack is weak vs the run, hence why they get gashed.

Even still, with a legitimate NFL caliber QB this would be an 8-8 team especially with how the back end of the schedule worked out.

For someone who perpetually wants this continuity thing, why not just still have Dick Jauron as the head coach, he might have gotten to the playoffs by now. JP Losman might be MVP by now. Lee Evans could hold all the Bills receiving records and Willis McGahee would have made fans forget about the Juice.

The team however does have a few very solid overall players. One guy fans want to run off the team because apparently paying an elite safety 9m isn't as important as Ralph keeping it in his pocketbook. Another is receiver who's the best WR the Bills have had in almost 20 years but he drops the ball once in a while, which many receivers do, so he should be cut. Another is a RB who's been disrespected by the fans and organization for years now. Goodwin would be good, if he had a QB who had any balls to throw the ball more than 5 yards down field twice a game. Glenn is good at Tackle and Wood is good in the middle. Mario is a premium pass rusher, Kyle Williams is good overall, Kiko Alonso was a surprise earlier in the year but appears to have hit a wall - which is unsurprising because a lot of rookies hit that wall their first year this time of year. Much of the rest of the roster is interchangeable parts, which is fine because most NFL teams are built that way the problem is what's behind center.

The sad part is the QB holds back a team that has a pretty solid nucleus in place. And I'm back to wondering if the OC is the problem with the offense or it's straight on the QB. I don't know of any football team that flat out refuses to throw down field besides the Bills.

[feldspar]

Of course they're better this year. They went from 31st to 26th.

I don't know in what league being bottom 6 in a category is considered good though.

But hey they've marginally improved!!!! Lets be excited about that. Maybe next year we'll approach how good the run defense was under Dick Jauron. They were 22nd against the run in Jauron's last full season.

And defensively, they're a point and a half per game better.

But hey, hang your hat on marginal improvements like they're much better.

So I just realized that you simply don't listen, Mr. Pink...which probably explains why your reputation is in the pink as well. No use having a discussion with a person that doesn't reflect an understanding of what you've said.

You should change your username to something less cool. Just a suggestion.

[Mr. Pink]

So I just realized that you simply don't listen, Mr. Pink...which probably explains why your reputation is in the pink as well. No use having a discussion with a person that doesn't reflect an understanding of what you've said.

You should change your username to something less cool. Just a suggestion.

Yup, I simply don't listen because I'm not enamored with marginal improvement thinking it's some huge success. You caught me!

[jimmifli]

Dareus was a bad pick because of all the stars that were drafted after him and having All-Pro DT Kyle Williams already on roster.

Spiller was a bad pick because Lynch and Jackson were already on roster.
Spiller I agree with. Dareus no way.

He's playing at a star level this season and looks to be a perennial probowl DT. A good DL needs two solid tackles. He was the best available at a position of need, a position that is difficult to fill and is essential to a good defense.

jimmi's #1 draft rule: take the best 300lbr.

[jimmifli]

There are good players. Dareus, Spiller and Manuel just aren't any of them.

Dareus, by far, is the most overrated player by this fanbase. He's an average replaceable NFL player that fans think is some kind of probowl stud. He's the weakest link on the D-line. But hey people can claim he's doubled on every play - he's not, they can say his garbage sacks are something meaningful - Jerry Hughes has just as many is he awesome too? Dareus gets pushed around more often than not and is completely out of position or rendered meaningless on rushing downs, which is part of the reason the run defense is as bad as it is

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/11/refo-bills-steelers-week-10/

Defensive Line Dominates

It should be obvious by now, but the highlight of the Bills roster is their defensive line and, while we’ve seen big performances from two of the three starters, this was the most complete performance of the year for Alan Branch (+3.5), Marcell Dareus (+5.6) and Kyle Williams (+4.9) as a trio. The three combined for a grade of +9.9 against the run, while Dareus did even more damage as a pass rusher.


With a sack and three hurries from 29 pass rushes, he finished the game with a Pass Rushing Productivity Rating of 11.2. While it was against center Fernando Velasco (-4.4) that he found the most success, both as a pass rusher and against the run, his biggest play came against right tackle, Marcus Gilbert on 3rd-and-7 with 8:48 to go in the third quarter. Beating him to the outside with ease, he was able to swat the ball away from Ben Roethlisberger and force a fumble, with only the quarterback’s quick reaction, and a bit of luck, preventing the turnover. Up until now Dareus’ play has been much more up and down, but he’s been on an impressive run of form for much of this season, as he puts together his best year so far.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/21/refo-bills-dolphins-week-7/

For the fourth time this season Marcell Dareus led the Bills’ defense in stops with four to take his season total to 26, comfortably the most in the league among defensive tackles.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/09/refo-bills-buccaneers-week-14/

In fact the Bills use a similar method to free up Kiko Alonso with Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams beating up on interior offensive lineman at the line of scrimmage. Dareus was on top form once again while Williams had a rare inconsistent day.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/18/refo-jets-bills-week-11/

He allowed two hurries on 35 drop-backs with the low point coming with 5:24 to play in the third quarter when Marcel Dareus beat him to his left for a quick pressure.

In the run game he allowed a pair of tackles around the line of scrimmage and would have given up another but for a missed tackle by Alan Branch. Dareus really manhandled Mangold with 1:05 to play in the second quarter when he was able to shed him on a run to the right and make the tackle after a gain of just a yard. The All-Pro has now graded in the red (-1.0 or worse) in six of 10 games.
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DT Dominance


In a game featuring some dominant games from defensive lineman, it was the Bills’ interior duo that really stood out. Marcell Dareus (+4.4) and Kyle Williams (+4.0) just don’t get blocked very much. The duo combined for two sacks, two hits, three hurries and a batted pass in 60 rushes. Dareus logged the batted pass at the line of scrimmage and also got to Smith rapidly on one hit early in the game (Q1, 12:57). Williams, meanwhile, had a crucial sack and forced fumble that set the Bills up inside the 10. Both players were heavily involved in the run game as well, recording four stops between them. Williams was active early in the game, stopping a first-down Jets run by beating Brian Winters inside and recording a tackle after a short gain. When the pair are in this kind of form, the Bills are going to be hard to beat.


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I got tired of copy and pasting. From guys that watch every player on ever play and grade them, Mr Dareus has been ELITE all season.

[Ed]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/11/refo-bills-steelers-week-10/


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/21/refo-bills-dolphins-week-7/


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/09/refo-bills-buccaneers-week-14/


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/18/refo-jets-bills-week-11/


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I got tired of copy and pasting. From guys that watch every player on ever play and grade them, Mr Dareus has been ELITE all season.
Dareus got off to a slower start to his career than some of the other guys that went in the top 10 that same year, so some fans will never forgive him for that. Never mind that he had to play in two crappy systems under two crappy DC's. Dareus has been excellent this season and anyone that doesn't see that is just being a hater because they're still mad that guys like AJ Green and Patrick Peterson had great rookie seasons.

[X-Era]

Dareus got off to a slower start to his career than some of the other guys that went in the top 10 that same year, so some fans will never forgive him for that. Never mind that he had to play in two crappy systems under two crappy DC's. Dareus has been excellent this season and anyone that doesn't see that is just being a hater because they're still mad that guys like AJ Green and Patrick Peterson had great rookie seasons.
Or that their favorite guy wasn't the pick.

[Mr. Pink]

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I got tired of copy and pasting. From guys that watch every player on ever play and grade them, Mr Dareus has been ELITE all season.

Is this part of the etc etc...


Defensive Tackle: Marcell Dareus, BUF (-7.1) and Kyle Williams, BUF (-4.0)

If you saw the Bills get bullied by the 49ers’ offensive line it won’t be a surprise to see both men on this list. Williams was bad, but the performance of Dareus really had to be seen to be believed. It doesn’t matter if you’re a first-rounder or an undrafted free agent, there’s really no excuse for that performance.

[jimmifli]

Is this part of the etc etc...
It's almost commendable that you would go through so many games just to find a bad game. But it's such an intentionally dishonest argument.

He leads all DTs in stops. He's one of the best pass rushing DTs in the NFL. And he's improving each season.

To put in perspective how good he already is... If Dareus just continues his current pace for the rest of his career he'll retire as the best DT in Buffalo Bills history.
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/11/27/by-the-numbers-williams-dareus/

[Skooby]

Get a real gamer at QB, EJ is a feather.