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  • kingJofNYC
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    • Sep 2009
    • 5960

    Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

    Per defensive possession, the Bills gave up the fewest yards per drive in the league. Defense also faced the most offensive drives in the league. This is courtesy of footballoutsiders.com

    Basically, our ST and O put the D in bad spots most of the time. Still no excuse for our piss poor run D, but if we can pair Kiko with another LB, and he himself improves it may help some of our run issues.

    no idea how Crossman is still on this roster, his unit directly contributed to points against repeatedly.
  • BillsImpossible
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    • Mar 2013
    • 16206

    #2
    Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

    Shawn Powell killed the Bills early in the season. When Moorman came back, ST got better. The last game against the Pats featured a few players that normally wouldn't be playing. Stefan Charles, Chris Hogan, Thomas Welch. I don't think Crossman was working with his normal starters on ST in that last game.
    Crossman deserves some credit for Dan Carpenter's success this year.

    Dareus is the biggest question mark on defense next year. He is such an important player in Pettine's system, but is he reliable?

    Very disappointed with Dareus this year...he played great at times, and disappeared at times too. Inconsistent.

    Bills will more than likely draft a linebacker in the first 3 rounds.

    Imagine how good the D would have been this year if the offense stayed on the field?

    Did Marrone bench Dareus because he didn't want Pettine to sign with another team?

    I hope that was the case.

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    • coastal
      Legendary Zoner
      • Mar 2005
      • 15513

      #3
      Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

      Originally posted by kingJofNYC View Post
      Per defensive possession, the Bills gave up the fewest yards per drive in the league. Defense also faced the most offensive drives in the league. This is courtesy of footballoutsiders.com

      Basically, our ST and O put the D in bad spots most of the time. Still no excuse for our piss poor run D, but if we can pair Kiko with another LB, and he himself improves it may help some of our run issues.

      no idea how Crossman is still on this roster, his unit directly contributed to points against repeatedly.
      We need a legit MLB, and 3/5's of an offensive line.

      If we do that and there are no other changes to our roster, a wild card is possible.

      a championship is going to take a step that EJ likely will never take.

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      • SquishDaFish
        Lets GO BUFFALO!!
        • Jun 2005
        • 17034

        #4
        Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

        Originally posted by coastal View Post
        We need a legit MLB, and 3/5's of an offensive line.

        If we do that and there are no other changes to our roster, a wild card is possible.

        a championship is going to take a step that EJ likely will never take.
        I was going to applaud this post because I agree with you up till the point on EJ. Rookie Qbs get more than one year in the NFL. Some fans need to Fn realize that

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        • WagonCircler
          Escaped Convict
          • Jul 2002
          • 5876

          #5
          Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

          Originally posted by kingJofNYC View Post
          no idea how Crossman is still on this roster, his unit directly contributed to points against repeatedly.
          I'm having this weird feeling of deja vu.



          Buffalo Bills owner Ralph C. Wilson Jr. fired head coach Wade Phillips for refusing to dismiss special teams coach Ronnie Jones, the team confirmed today.

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          • TacklingDummy
            Unreachable Douche
            • Jul 2002
            • 71725

            #6
            Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

            Originally posted by kingJofNYC View Post
            Per defensive possession, the Bills gave up the fewest yards per drive in the league. Defense also faced the most offensive drives in the league.
            The Bills offense also had the most drives this year.

            Could be a reason why our D was on the field so much.
            1,2,3, punt.

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86257

              #7
              Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

              Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post
              Shawn Powell killed the Bills early in the season. When Moorman came back, ST got better. The last game against the Pats featured a few players that normally wouldn't be playing. Stefan Charles, Chris Hogan, Thomas Welch. I don't think Crossman was working with his normal starters on ST in that last game.
              Crossman deserves some credit for Dan Carpenter's success this year.

              Dareus is the biggest question mark on defense next year. He is such an important player in Pettine's system, but is he reliable?

              Very disappointed with Dareus this year...he played great at times, and disappeared at times too. Inconsistent.

              Bills will more than likely draft a linebacker in the first 3 rounds.

              Imagine how good the D would have been this year if the offense stayed on the field?

              Did Marrone bench Dareus because he didn't want Pettine to sign with another team?

              I hope that was the case.
              I agrfee with most of this, but how does Crossman deserve any credit for Carpenter's success? Did he change his mechanics or something to improve his accuracy and length?
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              • coastal
                Legendary Zoner
                • Mar 2005
                • 15513

                #8
                Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                Originally posted by SquishDaFish View Post
                I was going to applaud this post because I agree with you up till the point on EJ. Rookie Qbs get more than one year in the NFL. Some fans need to Fn realize that
                i think most people get that dude, but the problems with EJ were pretty concerning... namely accuracy.

                it was a huge problem man. Even on simple go routes, he would be chucking the ball 10 yards out if bounds.

                The concerns that people are sharing are legitimate. We get to game 5 next year and you're not seeing a big improvement, things are going to go south for EJ real quick.

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                • chris66
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 604

                  #9
                  Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                  well when the team with the most yards wins the game it might be a meaningful stat. Bills were 24th in points allowed.

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                  • The Beef
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 482

                    #10
                    Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                    Originally posted by coastal View Post
                    i think most people get that dude, but the problems with EJ were pretty concerning... namely accuracy.

                    it was a huge problem man. Even on simple go routes, he would be chucking the ball 10 yards out if bounds.
                    To me his accuracy is the 2nd or 3rd biggest problem. The first is he doesn't trust or can't male his reads so he is slow with his delivery.

                    The 2nd thing build on that, he rarely tests defenses deep. Our wideout group was built to strych the field. Thad made it a habit to stretch out the defense, EJ seemed scared to do so.

                    I understand wanting to protect the ball. However you have to be able to read the high safety and pick your spots. TJ can't catch but every once in awhile you can hope to stick one to his face mask or draw a PI.

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                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86257

                      #11
                      Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                      Originally posted by chris66 View Post
                      well when the team with the most yards wins the game it might be a meaningful stat. Bills were 24th in points allowed.
                      Pretty sure the point is the lack of execution by the offense and special teams gave the opponents short fields to begin their drives, so they didn't have to go too far to put points on the board.
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                      • Novacane
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 42368

                        #12
                        Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                        Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post
                        Shawn Powell killed the Bills early in the season. When Moorman came back, ST got better. The last game against the Pats featured a few players that normally wouldn't be playing. Stefan Charles, Chris Hogan, Thomas Welch. I don't think Crossman was working with his normal starters on ST in that last game.
                        Crossman deserves some credit for Dan Carpenter's success this year.

                        Dareus is the biggest question mark on defense next year. He is such an important player in Pettine's system, but is he reliable



                        Very disappointed with Dareus this year...he played great at times, and disappeared at times too. Inconsistent.

                        Bills will more than likely draft a linebacker in the first 3 rounds.

                        Imagine how good the D would have been this year if the offense stayed on the field?

                        Did Marrone bench Dareus because he didn't want Pettine to sign with another team?

                        I hope that was the case.

                        Why?

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                        • ICRockets
                          Legendary Zoner
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 12676

                          #13
                          Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                          Originally posted by coastal View Post
                          i think most people get that dude, but the problems with EJ were pretty concerning... namely accuracy.

                          it was a huge problem man. Even on simple go routes, he would be chucking the ball 10 yards out if bounds.

                          The concerns that people are sharing are legitimate. We get to game 5 next year and you're not seeing a big improvement, things are going to go south for EJ real quick.
                          Game 5 next year? Are you serious?

                          Look at Cam Newton in week 2 this year, he was a complete mess. Look at Cam now, he's a different quarterback entirely. That's because he was able to mature without idiot fans like you actively rooting against him. It took him until his 3rd season in the league to get there, but you've decided in 10 games that EJ is a bust. How ****ing brilliant.

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                          • The Beef
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 482

                            #14
                            Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                            Originally posted by chris66 View Post
                            well when the team with the most yards wins the game it might be a meaningful stat. Bills were 24th in points allowed.
                            The yards don't tell the entire story. However neither do the points in this instance. When your defense and special teams are setting you up on the wrong side of the fifty, it's tough. Yes choking had a big game running the ball, however his 2 kick returns were the biggest factor. In the first meeting CJ puts the ball on the ground on the first possession. Against KC the offense gives up 14. Throughout the season the offense put up a flurry of 3 and outs, hardly ever winning the battle of field position what coaches and announcers like to refer to as hidden yards. If the offense and special teams would have won the battle of field position, and our defense led the league in yards per drive, they would give up less points. It's a simple formula.

                            There were definetly holes. Rainey's 80 yard run, Atlanta's non existent run game coming alive, Chris Ivory in the first Jet's game, and Blount's huge day. ( Blount did a great job in the rain, with no Byrd and Williams at safety he just exploited the second and third levels of the defense).

                            The he run defense has some work to do but at he same time they had a great game vs Jamal Charles, and killed the Ravens and Dolphins run game (they were both terrible, I am aware).

                            Kiko is a great player, but he's not a guy who is going to shut down a run game as a thumper in the middle. If Whaley can come up with a maniac/thumper in the middle it will help Kiko and to make more plays around the LOS. Many times Kiko was the guy filling a gap taking an a guard in the hole and that's just not his game. Shooting a gap and tracking the ball he's great at. You put him next to a guy that is a true thumper in the run game and you will see the run defense become too notch.

                            He he defense is not that far away from being a top 5 defense. There is only a handful of them in the league right now. Seattle, SF, Arizona and Carolina. Those are the 4 toughest defenses that can impose their will week in and week out. Then there is a second tier with NYJ, St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, Kansas City and Buffalo. These teams have elite talent/units and just need a couple of tweaks to make the leap.

                            Pettine took some criticism late but his unit forced turnovers all year, and got a ton of sacks. That's what every team wants in their defense. The team is very close on defense to becoming a top 5 unit.

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                            • RedEyE
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 24661

                              #15
                              Re: Bills D - Gave up least Amount of yards....

                              Excellent! Thanks for backing up my claims with facts. Add in the fact the offense is second best in rushing and this simply comes down to consistent play from the passing game and better coverages on ST.

                              This is correctable. Especially the ST play. The passing game should get better with a healthy EJ on the field more often and with an entire off season to prep as #1 QB. Add a big threat WR and stregthen the OL.

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