EJ Manual Senior Bowl and first 5 games of the season

[DesertFox24]

I watched the senior bowl and the first five games of the season and EJ got better and better every game.

I am starting to think that he was not fully healed from the knee sprain, but I am hoping that this off season working on football rather than combine prep will really propell him to the next level.

A few things he has that I believe are pluses is his arm talent, hand size, intelligence, and his deep ball got better, and lastly his work ethic.

Granted he has to learn how to recognize defenses faster and get ride of the ball faster and his accuracy needs to be improved. Again I am hoping working on his footwork and working with his wrs will help this.

All that being said I can see why Bills like him and I can see why so many dislike him as a prospect. The bills took a guy with loads of talent and is raw and are hoping to mold him into something special, which is exactly what the packers did with rogers.

Hopefully for all of our sakes Whaley, Hackett, Marrone, and new QB coach can turn him into an all pro by his third year, and next year he makes a name for himself as a legitimate franchise QB.

[Pinkerton Security]

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I godforsaken hope so.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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I see no reason to think he is a bust.

To give up on him already is just stupid.

I don't see any QBs in this draft that are any more sure fire.

Bridgewater is frail
Manziel is tiny and a running QB with average arm strength
Bortels didn't play top competition and his arm strength isn't top notch
Carr has a cannon but no accuracy

[Night Train]

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I see no reason to think he is a bust.

To give up on him already is just stupid.

I don't see any QBs in this draft that are any more sure fire.

Bridgewater is frail
Manziel is tiny and a running QB with average arm strength
Bortels didn't play top competition and his arm strength isn't top notch
Carr has a cannon but no accuracy

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316307/article/draft-buzz-continues-to-build-around-qb-jimmy-garoppolo

The only QB I like, who may go all the way up to the 2nd or even 1st round now.
Stood out in the East-West Shrine game and gets another opportunity this week at the Senior Bowl.

[DesertFox24]

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Yeah and I know people are going to destroy me for this but I would rather have Ej than Kaepernick and Russel Wilson. Both of those guys are great at extending plays but they both are a one read and run guy, and both have top 5 defenses and running games.

I know a lot of people want to say well he wins and blah blah blah, but if you look at neither of them have good pocket presence and they will fad away very soon. The NFL will always be a league run by QBs that can pass the football because you can defend running QBs with faster players, but you can not stop guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady you can only hope to contain them. Russel Wilson has had 4 games this year with over 200 yards passing and if Kaep is not playing GB he has horrible stats as well.

Go ahead and destroy me but time will tell that both Wilson and Kaep are nothing more than average QBs, and when they start to lose some of their acceleration and speed they will beome big time liabilities.

[DesertFox24]

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...immy-garoppolo

The only QB I like, who may go all the way up to the 2nd or even 1st round now.
Stood out in the East-West Shrine game and gets another opportunity this week at the Senior Bowl.

I personally think he might be the best QB of this bunch, and he is not leaps and bounds better than EJ in my opinion.

I would look to draft a guy like Boyd, Keith Price, Tom Savage in rounds 5 or later if I am Buffalo.

[justasportsfan]

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Yeah and I know people are going to destroy me for this but I would rather have Ej than Kaepernick and Russel Wilson. Both of those guys are great at extending plays but they both are a one read and run guy, and both have top 5 defenses and running games.

I know a lot of people want to say well he wins and blah blah blah, but if you look at neither of them have good pocket presence and they will fad away very soon. The NFL will always be a league run by QBs that can pass the football because you can defend running QBs with faster players, but you can not stop guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady you can only hope to contain them. Russel Wilson has had 4 games this year with over 200 yards passing and if Kaep is not playing GB he has horrible stats as well.

Go ahead and destroy me but time will tell that both Wilson and Kaep are nothing more than average QBs, and when they start to lose some of their acceleration and speed they will beome big time liabilities.

thats like saying you'll take Geno over Luck.

[DesertFox24]

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thats like saying you'll take Geno over Luck.

Yeah no it is not. Luck is a legit franchise QB and was before he was drafted and has proven it.

Russel Wilson and Kaep are in my opinion flashes in the pan like Mark Sanchez when their defenses start to age and decline all will see what they are. One read and run away, neither is comfortable in the pocket or working through their reads.

I will say Wilson has better mechanics than Kaep but I am not impressed with him at all or Kaep. It will be interesting to see how they progress next season.

That being said I want a passer first as my QB not an athlete. If you look at EJ in college he was a passer first and even when he did scramble he would have his eyes down the field to look for a pass. Geno did the same thing.

My point is that everyone mad we passed on Wilson and what I am saying is I agree with Ron Jaws when I see that he has a lot of work to do to become a PASSER

[justasportsfan]

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Yeah no it is not. Luck is a legit franchise QB and was before he was drafted and has proven it.

Russel Wilson and Kaep are in my opinion flashes in the pan like Mark Sanchez when their defenses start to age and decline all will see what they are. One read and run away, neither is comfortable in the pocket or working through their reads.

I will say Wilson has better mechanics than Kaep but I am not impressed with him at all or Kaep. It will be interesting to see how they progress next season.

That being said I want a passer first as my QB not an athlete. If you look at EJ in college he was a passer first and even when he did scramble he would have his eyes down the field to look for a pass. Geno did the same thing.

My point is that everyone mad we passed on Wilson and what I am saying is I agree with Ron Jaws when I see that he has a lot of work to do to become a PASSER

Okay , bad comparison. But at this point, both Wilson and Kaepernick have played well in the playoffs where the best of the best play. EJ's entire season is average AT BEST even vs. crappy teams. What he did in college has nothing to do with the NFL. Van Pelt broke Marino's college nos.

So no, I would not take EJ over those 2 at this point. If it weren't for EJ's masurables, I'd say that THAD is a better qb at this point and Tuel is a better passer.

[WagonCircler]

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Yeah and I know people are going to destroy me for this but I would rather have Ej than Kaepernick and Russel Wilson.

OK, your credibility was shot with the OP. But this is off the charts stupidity.

[WagonCircler]

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That being said I want a passer first as my QB not an athlete.

So do I.

EJ is a horrible passer.

[TacklingDummy]

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[DesertFox24]

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OK, your credibility was shot with the OP. But this is off the charts stupidity.

Apparently you did not read my post.

Both of those guys are not comfortable in the pocket and do not go through their progressions. They are one read and run guys.

At this point I saw EJ go through his progressions and look to pass a lot more than run. I care about long term success not short term and I do not believe Kaep and Wilson are long term successful QBs.

EJ is a still to early to determine if he will become a franchise guy or not, but I do not want buffalo to draft a guy that cannot go through his progressions or looks uncomfortable in the pocket.

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Okay , bad comparison. But at this point, both Wilson and Kaepernick have played well in the playoffs where the best of the best play. EJ's entire season is average AT BEST even vs. crappy teams. What he did in college has nothing to do with the NFL. Van Pelt broke Marino's college nos.

So no, I would not take EJ over those 2 at this point. If it weren't for EJ's masurables, I'd say that THAD is a better qb at this point and Tuel is a better passer.

By your logic Mark Sanchez is a stud because he had better numbers his first two years than these two guys.

[WagonCircler]

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[QUOTE=DesertFox24;3903372]Apparently you did not read my post.

Both of those guys are not comfortable in the pocket and do not go through their progressions. They are one read and run guys.

At this point I saw EJ go through his progressions and look to pass a lot more than run. I care about long term success not short term and I do not believe Kaep and Wilson are long term successful QBs.

EJ is a still to early to determine if he will become a franchise guy or not, but I do not want buffalo to draft a guy that cannot go through his progressions or looks uncomfortable in the pocket.

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Oh, I read it. I just believe it's based on severely misguided assumptions.

For starters, I remember a guy who was lauded for "going through his progressions" and "looking poised" and his name was Trent Edwards. The truth is, you can't assume that he's doing anything but waiting to throw to the outlet receiver, ala Captain Checkdown.

I'm not sure about Kap, but he's played QB in the NFL for 2 years and he's been to 2 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Wilson is not far behind him.

EJ Manuel will never be an accurate enough passer to get that far, and even if he was, he's played 1 year and had 3 knee injuries.

I'm not a fan of running QBs, per se, unless they can pass and practice good ball security when they do run. EJ Manuel not only exhibits neither of those qualities, but he's not even in the same stratosphere talent-wise when it comes to running the ball as the other two. And he definitely hasn't proven that he throws well enough to even be a starter in the NFL, much less a playoff QB.

You're confusing arm strength with arm talent. Wilson is the total package, other than being undersized. Kaepernick, I think, will either learn to be a pocket passer or get broken in half, but he has the tools. He just needs to get smarter and make better decisions.

EJs problems are, in the opinion of many, unfixable. At this point, a QB's mechanics should be second nature. But he's still struggling with the exact same problems he did at FSU, which puts him way behind the curve when it comes to operating a complex Offense or reading complex Defensive schemes and making snap decisions.

Kap and Wilson came out of school and proved themselves right away. They're not just capable, they're bona-fide stars. EJ Manuel shouldn't even be on the field at this point.

There is absolutely no basis for your contention that Manuel will be the better QB long term. Nothing but hopes and dreams.

[SquishDaFish]

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[QUOTE=WagonCircler;3903479]

Apparently you did not read my post.

Both of those guys are not comfortable in the pocket and do not go through their progressions. They are one read and run guys.

At this point I saw EJ go through his progressions and look to pass a lot more than run. I care about long term success not short term and I do not believe Kaep and Wilson are long term successful QBs.

EJ is a still to early to determine if he will become a franchise guy or not, but I do not want buffalo to draft a guy that cannot go through his progressions or looks uncomfortable in the pocket.

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Oh, I read it. I just believe it's based on severely misguided assumptions.

For starters, I remember a guy who was lauded for "going through his progressions" and "looking poised" and his name was Trent Edwards. The truth is, you can't assume that he's doing anything but waiting to throw to the outlet receiver, ala Captain Checkdown.

I'm not sure about Kap, but he's played QB in the NFL for 2 years and he's been to 2 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Wilson is not far behind him.

EJ Manuel will never be an accurate enough passer to get that far, and even if he was, he's played 1 year and had 3 knee injuries.

I'm not a fan of running QBs, per se, unless they can pass and practice good ball security when they do run. EJ Manuel not only exhibits neither of those qualities, but he's not even in the same stratosphere talent-wise when it comes to running the ball as the other two. And he definitely hasn't proven that he throws well enough to even be a starter in the NFL, much less a playoff QB.

You're confusing arm strength with arm talent. Wilson is the total package, other than being undersized. Kaepernick, I think, will either learn to be a pocket passer or get broken in half, but he has the tools. He just needs to get smarter and make better decisions.

EJs problems are, in the opinion of many, unfixable. At this point, a QB's mechanics should be second nature. But he's still struggling with the exact same problems he did at FSU, which puts him way behind the curve when it comes to operating a complex Offense or reading complex Defensive schemes and making snap decisions.

Kap and Wilson came out of school and proved themselves right away. They're not just capable, they're bona-fide stars. EJ Manuel shouldn't even be on the field at this point.

There is absolutely no basis for your contention that Manuel will be the better QB long term. Nothing but hopes and dreams.

You also are off base. You cant sit here and say EJ is garbage or a bust after 10 or so games. Way too small a sample size