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Uncle Jesse
01-23-2014, 10:12 AM
Wade is an obvious choice. Proven. Top 10 Ds all the time. Wants a gig.

Also Donnie Henderson, a in house move. Knows the system, been around Pettine for a while. Players, including Byrd, love him.


Who else? The Bills say they have a plan in place.

justasportsfan
01-23-2014, 10:17 AM
I wonder if Henderson stays if he is passed up for the DC job.

kingJofNYC
01-23-2014, 10:38 AM
I think Henderson will be DC, and our D will be awful under him if he is tagged as DC.

DraftBoy
01-23-2014, 10:51 AM
The question will be better answered after we see what coaches Pettine takes with him. O'Neil is likely gone, Henderson could go as well.

Personally I'm calling Pats fmr LB Coach Pepper Johnson and bringing him in today.

justasportsfan
01-23-2014, 10:54 AM
Marrone's said he wanted an attacking style defense and offense. Based on Wades history, he should fit that desription. Maybe Marrone looks at one of seahawks' assistants.

Bone
01-23-2014, 11:06 AM
Henderson to DC. I love the defense and don't want to see it change.

DesertFox24
01-23-2014, 11:35 AM
I want Weaver and Henderson to stay. Oneil can guy as far as I am concerned, I like the guy and all but I think Weaver and Henderson were the two crucial positions coaches to our defense last year.

I like the idea of Wade but I am not sure he would be able to call the defense that we ran last year.

I think the best choice is Henderson and the new guy they hired takes over as DB coach (he coached DBs in Tampa last year and they had a good year).

As for LB coach I would look to see if they can convince Pepper to come in as LB coach but with some bigger title like run d coordinator and Henderson DC and Pass game coordinator.

OpIv37
01-23-2014, 11:39 AM
Don't know much about Henderson in particular but I like the idea of continuity. The D made some big strides last year and I want to improve on that rather than have to start over yet again. Hopefully we can find someone who has worked with Pettine in the past- either internally or elsewhere at previous jobs- so we have as little change as possible.

DraftBoy
01-23-2014, 11:40 AM
Henderson to DC. I love the defense and don't want to see it change.

I can't recall what Henderson ran in NYJ and DET but wasn't it a 43? There is no guarantee he keeps the current scheme.

kingJofNYC
01-23-2014, 11:56 AM
I can't recall what Henderson ran in NYJ and DET but wasn't it a 43? There is no guarantee he keeps the current scheme.

Herm was there so lots of two deep coverage, rush four or bust. Nothing like Pettine, but you know that.

Uncle Jesse
01-23-2014, 01:49 PM
The good thing is, we ran a hybrid defense. So we can really do whatever with the guys we have right now. Should be a nice option for whoever fills in.

better days
01-23-2014, 02:05 PM
I want Weaver and Henderson to stay. Oneil can guy as far as I am concerned, I like the guy and all but I think Weaver and Henderson were the two crucial positions coaches to our defense last year.

I like the idea of Wade but I am not sure he would be able to call the defense that we ran last year.

I think the best choice is Henderson and the new guy they hired takes over as DB coach (he coached DBs in Tampa last year and they had a good year).

As for LB coach I would look to see if they can convince Pepper to come in as LB coach but with some bigger title like run d coordinator and Henderson DC and Pass game coordinator.

I read Pepper Johnson left the Pats* because he wanted to advance in his career.

He was passed over as DC by the Pats*

If the Bills name him DC, I think he would come to Buffalo & I think he would be a GREAT hire.

NOBODY spent more time with Belicheck & knows him better than Johnson.

If you thought the Bills Jets games were interesting because of Rex & Mike, could you imagine Bills Pats* games with Bill & Pepper?

Uncle Jesse
01-23-2014, 02:48 PM
Gregg Williams rumors are now out there...

DraftBoy
01-23-2014, 02:51 PM
The good thing is, we ran a hybrid defense. So we can really do whatever with the guys we have right now. Should be a nice option for whoever fills in.

We ran a lot of 34, hybrid or not. Pettine's D was attacking the LOS with blitzes and schematics. Henderson has never run that kind of scheme before so to expect him to be named DC and continue it is a large reach.

sukie
01-23-2014, 02:53 PM
Wade is an obvious choice. Proven. Top 10 Ds all the time. Wants a gig.

Also Donnie Henderson, a in house move. Knows the system, been around Pettine for a while. Players, including Byrd, love him.


Who else? The Bills say they have a plan in place.

Wannstadt... proven, top ten D, Wants a gig... Oh!... nevermind.

justasportsfan
01-23-2014, 02:57 PM
Dick Jauron. Funtimesyay would love that.

cookie G
01-23-2014, 03:00 PM
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum Jan 22
Yes I would go back to where I have been before.I enjoyed and was treated well at all my stops. I just want to help a team win this year

https://twitter.com/sonofbum

Call him.

That's all.

more cowbell
01-23-2014, 03:24 PM
Wade is an obvious choice. Proven. Top 10 Ds all the time. Wants a gig.

Also Donnie Henderson, a in house move. Knows the system, been around Pettine for a while. Players, including Byrd, love him.


Who else? The Bills say they have a plan in place.


Just like they had a plan in place last year with an undrafted FA QB almost having to start the season opener? Just like they had a plan for back up QB when EJ was injured and they promoted a practice squad player to START over the aforementioned undrafted backup qb? Just like they did not hire a QB's coach last season to assist with all 3 inexperienced QB's I just mentioned?

X-Era
01-23-2014, 03:29 PM
Schiano is interesting to me. I like his fiery demeanor but also don't like his fiery demeanor.

I'm trying to figure out if he would be a good fit or not.

Personally I just want someone who will keep Pettines defense and run it as well or better.

Screw changing defenses again.

RedEyE
01-23-2014, 03:29 PM
I think Wade would be a good fit. Maybe now that Ralph is not involved in everyday operations perhaps that burned bridge could be rebuilt. I remember Wade saying that he would be back one day and that he was leaving stuff in storage. Wonder if he ever collected?

jayhall93
01-23-2014, 03:30 PM
It'll probably be Donnie Henderson. Need to keep Pettine from purging too many assistants as well.

X-Era
01-23-2014, 03:30 PM
I think Wade would be a good fit. Maybe now that Ralph is not involved in everyday operations perhaps that burned bridge could be rebuilt. I remember Wade saying that he would be back one day and that he was leaving stuff in storage. Wonder if he ever collected?
Replace Crossman with Wade... That way we can develop a new kick ass punt catcher.

justasportsfan
01-23-2014, 03:36 PM
If Henderson becomes DC, I wonder if he still keeps the same terminology when we play the Browns next year.

Bill Cody
01-23-2014, 03:37 PM
Gregg Williams rumors are now out there...

If Manboobs interviews he makes one hell of a color coded presentation.:bad:

Think he'd bring his "bounty" program with him?

RedEyE
01-23-2014, 03:39 PM
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IAG
01-23-2014, 03:55 PM
Mangini

DynaPaul
01-23-2014, 04:15 PM
Jim Schwartz?

Turf
01-23-2014, 04:45 PM
Get Wade as long as Ralph is not still sore about him.

DynaPaul
01-23-2014, 04:47 PM
Ralph doesn't even remember that Wade was a coach here.

The Jokeman
01-23-2014, 04:52 PM
I can't recall what Henderson ran in NYJ and DET but wasn't it a 43? There is no guarantee he keeps the current scheme.

An article from October 2004 gave this glowing report to Henderson's 2004 NYJ defense:


Using Henderson's multiple-front, blitz-heavy scheme, a defensive unit that was ranked 21st in the National Football League last season, now stands 11th in the league. A team that last year had the fifth-worst run defense is now ranked eighth and has yet to allow a back to rush for 100 yards. And in keeping with Henderson's aggressive style, the defense devours turnovers, leading the American Football Conference with 13 takeaways. and this article http://slam.canoe.ca/StatsFBP/BC-FBP-LGNS-NYJETSDEPTH-R.html shows that the Jets ran a 4-3 and backed up by http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2004.htm. With the Lions in 2006 according to http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2006.htm Donnie again ran a 4-3 alignment. My only concern is he's defense was good in 2004 but in 2005 and 2006 less than spectacular.

ublinkwescore
01-23-2014, 04:57 PM
I'm on the wade wagon.

RedEyE
01-23-2014, 05:05 PM
Jim Schwartz?
I like Schwartz's ties from his past coaching tree. But he is a 4-3 guy. Do we want to se yet another scheme change on defense?

The Jokeman
01-23-2014, 05:12 PM
I like Schwartz's ties from his past coaching tree. But he is a 4-3 guy. Do we want to se yet another scheme change on defense?

What scheme change? As to me the Bills were a 4-3 defense last year as I remember Mario, Branch and Hughes usually with their hands on the ground.

RedEyE
01-23-2014, 05:41 PM
What scheme change? As to me the Bills were a 4-3 defense last year as I remember Mario, Branch and Hughes usually with their hands on the ground.
To be fair, Pettine ran a hybrid out of a 3-4 base.

TigerJ
01-23-2014, 06:58 PM
If Wade did come back, I don't think there is any chance the Bills would ever hire him as a head coach again. That they would not would be a good thing.

BillsImpossible
01-23-2014, 06:58 PM
If not Wade Phillips, who else out there is a 3-4 defensive specialist?

bigbub2352
01-23-2014, 09:07 PM
I would love phillips pepper or schiano...dont want to promote from within unless its O'Neil

better days
01-23-2014, 10:10 PM
If Wade did come back, I don't think there is any chance the Bills would ever hire him as a head coach again. That they would not would be a good thing.

I doubt Wade will get any more HC offers by any team again which makes him a perfect candidate for DC.

Uncle Jesse
01-24-2014, 08:06 AM
Jim Schwartz?

Certainly a legit option...

better days
01-24-2014, 08:13 AM
I would love phillips pepper or schiano...dont want to promote from within unless its O'Neil

Derrelle Revis said of Schiano................NOBODY enjoyed going to work, it was very stressful.

I think Schiano would be the worst hire possible.

User Manuel
01-24-2014, 09:37 AM
I think it will be Greg Schiano. A fiery attack oriented guy. Marrone spoke glowingly about him last year in pressers. I think they would be a good fit.

User Manuel
01-24-2014, 09:39 AM
Revis *****ed about Rex Ryan too, and he is the ultimate players coach,....not exactly a guy who is a stellar employee.

better days
01-24-2014, 09:56 AM
Revis *****ed about Rex Ryan too, and he is the ultimate players coach,....not exactly a guy who is a stellar employee.

When did Revis ***** about Rex?

Mr. Pink
01-24-2014, 11:18 AM
Donnie Henderson will just be promoted.

tatersalad
01-24-2014, 01:19 PM
jerry gray

better days
01-24-2014, 01:20 PM
Donnie Henderson will just be promoted.

Probably what will happen.

justasportsfan
01-24-2014, 01:26 PM
jerry gray

He got credit credit for what Lebeau did here.

swiper
01-24-2014, 01:38 PM
Uncle Jessica!

X-Era
01-24-2014, 03:25 PM
Schiano

justasportsfan
01-24-2014, 03:32 PM
Schiano

If Schiano's ego doesn't gel with Marrone's, I don't see it happening.

Darrelle Revis: Greg Schiano created tense atmosphere

"Guys didn't like coming to work. That's one of the things you have to have, a stress-free atmosphere and environment. You're going to get everything out of everybody if it's stress-free and let people be who they are.

"I just didn't feel he did a very good job of that. It was a learning experience for him as well, and hopefully, if he ever gets another stab at it, he'll do things differently."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316994/article/darrelle-revis-greg-schiano-created-tense-atmosphere

better days
01-24-2014, 03:35 PM
If Schiano's ego doesn't gel with Marrone's, I don't see it happening.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316994/article/darrelle-revis-greg-schiano-created-tense-atmosphere

Just as I said.

DraftBoy
01-24-2014, 05:19 PM
It better not be Henderson…

That's a complete scheme overhaul to a 43 and creates more holes.

swiper
01-24-2014, 05:47 PM
It better not be Henderson…

That's a complete scheme overhaul to a 43 and creates more holes.

Exactly why that's unlikely.

BillsImpossible
01-24-2014, 05:48 PM
It's not going to be Henderson, because if he was the Bills choice they would have already made the promotion by now if they were completely confident in him to run the Bills defense.

I like Wade Phillips too, but he's never won a Super Bowl in his many years in the NFL and I don't think he's ever coached in a conference championship game.

I'm pretty sure Wade's only gotten as far as the divisional playoffs with the Bills as head coach, and the Texans last year as their DC. There's a lot to be said about a long track record that looks very good but consistently never gets very far. Wade reminds me of the Marty Schottenheimer of defensive coordinators...he's good, but is he good enough to win it all?

TigerJ
01-24-2014, 09:34 PM
Jim Schwartz?Give the man a prize!

ublinkwescore
01-24-2014, 10:32 PM
It's not going to be Henderson, because if he was the Bills choice they would have already made the promotion by now if they were completely confident in him to run the Bills defense.

I like Wade Phillips too, but he's never won a Super Bowl in his many years in the NFL and I don't think he's ever coached in a conference championship game.

I'm pretty sure Wade's only gotten as far as the divisional playoffs with the Bills as head coach, and the Texans last year as their DC. There's a lot to be said about a long track record that looks very good but consistently never gets very far. Wade reminds me of the Marty Schottenheimer of defensive coordinators...he's good, but is he good enough to win it all?

Wade has never made it past the wild card round with us - losing both times - once to the gay ass fish and once to the sister screwers' team - Tennessee.

swiper
01-25-2014, 05:43 AM
It's not going to be Henderson, because if he was the Bills choice they would have already made the promotion by now if they were completely confident in him to run the Bills defense.

I like Wade Phillips too, but he's never won a Super Bowl in his many years in the NFL and I don't think he's ever coached in a conference championship game.

I'm pretty sure Wade's only gotten as far as the divisional playoffs with the Bills as head coach, and the Texans last year as their DC. There's a lot to be said about a long track record that looks very good but consistently never gets very far. Wade reminds me of the Marty Schottenheimer of defensive coordinators...he's good, but is he good enough to win it all?

LOL. The Schottenheimer example is spot on.

swiper
01-25-2014, 05:49 AM
Jim Schwartz?

Mangini. Schwartz. Now those are names that could succeed. Tired of hearing Jerry Gray, Wade Phillips, etc. Any former Bill DC that anyone can think of.

I'd add Mike Singletary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Singletary).

swiper
01-25-2014, 06:05 AM
It better not be Henderson…

That's a complete scheme overhaul to a 43 and creates more holes.

How is that? If they resign Carrington: Carrington-Dareus-K. Williams-M. Williams. LBs are Alanzo/M. Lawson/and the same other OLB hole.

You still have Jerry Hughes/Alan Branch as solid back-ups/rotational guys.

Actually, you have more holes in the 3-4, as many have pointed out, the Bills also need a thick, run-stuffing LB inside next to Alanzo.

swiper
01-26-2014, 07:52 AM
Wade is an obvious choice. Proven. Top 10 Ds all the time. Wants a gig.

Also Donnie Henderson, a in house move. Knows the system, been around Pettine for a while. Players, including Byrd, love him.


Who else? The Bills say they have a plan in place.

http://i.imgur.com/nvFZU.jpg