Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

[Mahdi]

This is a typical Bills event. Losing talent before it helps us to win something.

First of all, for those who say the hiring of Pettine will help improve the image of the organization they're wrong IMO. Pettine getting hired adds to the Ryan legacy, not the Bills or Marrone legacy. Other NFL teams will now look closer at the Ryan coaching tree for coordinators and HCs. Pettine was a lone wolf and brought a Ryan scheme that was separate from anything Marrone endorsed. He ran it, he called it and coached it. And it was the only successful unit on the team. Once again the Bills manage to lose talent before it wins us anything.

Second, Schwartz is basically the opposite DC to Pettine. Schwartz plays a simple base 4-3 defense, rarely blitzes and relies mainly on front four pressure. His unit had 33 sacks in 2013. We're basically going to be scaling down our defense. Even as the DC of the Titans he was the same. The Bills players are going to be coming off a system where they were having fun, standing up in strange looks, rushing from different positions (Mario coming off both edges as well as inside) and forcing QBs into bad decisions to a defense that will sit back and let Qbs see the field.

At least our defense will match our offense in style points.

[SquishDaFish]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

Disagree. People need to stop looking at his defense in Detroit. Go back to his tenn says that's his style defense. His defense is like pettines where he adapts to his players and runs multiple type schemes. I think he's going to fit in perfect and we won't see a drop of and will see improvements in rush defense And third down defense.I think other than wade this was a perfect hire.

Also yea it's ryans tree but this shows he knows how to his good coaches

[Strongman]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

I'm hopeful Schwartz will do great, but I don't see why people think he was an amazing DC. There's a good chance he will be a downgrade from Pettine. Here's how his overall defenses ranked when he was with Titans:

Year Titan's Defense Rank
2002 #11
2003 #13
2004 #30
2005 #29
2006 #31
2007 #8
2008 #2

I was researching back on some of the Titan's MBs, and they attribute 2007 and 2008 to Albert Haynesworth stepping up his play because he was coming up on his contract year. For much of his tenure there, fans were calling for him to be fired. There was even a website called fireschwartz.com that was running.

I'm starting to wish they went with Wade.

[Albany,n.y.]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

Some people wouldn't be happy unless the Bills had gone to NE & convinced them to let Bill Belichick step down as HC to be our DC. Then after the Bills did that they'd say how much they hate the move because they've always hated Belichick & his cheating ways.

[Mouldsie]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

Agree w/ this thread 100% unless Schwartz changes his stripes I don't like this hire

[pmoon6]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

This is a typical Bills event. Losing talent before it helps us to win something.

First of all, for those who say the hiring of Pettine will help improve the image of the organization they're wrong IMO. Pettine getting hired adds to the Ryan legacy, not the Bills or Marrone legacy. Other NFL teams will now look closer at the Ryan coaching tree for coordinators and HCs. Pettine was a lone wolf and brought a Ryan scheme that was separate from anything Marrone endorsed. He ran it, he called it and coached it. And it was the only successful unit on the team. Once again the Bills manage to lose talent before it wins us anything.

Second, Schwartz is basically the opposite DC to Pettine. Schwartz plays a simple base 4-3 defense, rarely blitzes and relies mainly on front four pressure. His unit had 33 sacks in 2013. We're basically going to be scaling down our defense. Even as the DC of the Titans he was the same. The Bills players are going to be coming off a system where they were having fun, standing up in strange looks, rushing from different positions (Mario coming off both edges as well as inside) and forcing QBs into bad decisions to a defense that will sit back and let Qbs see the field.

At least our defense will match our offense in style points.

What did you expect Buffalo to do? Offer him double what our HC is making to stay as DC?

Pettine was offered a promotion and a contract and took it. I don't know how the team could have changed anything. What is interesting was that Pettine was Clevelands' 4th choice and he got the job by default.

We hired a guy with a pretty good resume.

But, the fans have to stick with what works. Cry about something before you see anything on the field.

[pmoon6]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

Agree w/ this thread 100% unless Schwartz changes his stripes I don't like this hire

We'll alert the media.

[better days]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

This is a typical Bills event. Losing talent before it helps us to win something.

First of all, for those who say the hiring of Pettine will help improve the image of the organization they're wrong IMO. Pettine getting hired adds to the Ryan legacy, not the Bills or Marrone legacy. Other NFL teams will now look closer at the Ryan coaching tree for coordinators and HCs. Pettine was a lone wolf and brought a Ryan scheme that was separate from anything Marrone endorsed. He ran it, he called it and coached it. And it was the only successful unit on the team. Once again the Bills manage to lose talent before it wins us anything.

Second, Schwartz is basically the opposite DC to Pettine. Schwartz plays a simple base 4-3 defense, rarely blitzes and relies mainly on front four pressure. His unit had 33 sacks in 2013. We're basically going to be scaling down our defense. Even as the DC of the Titans he was the same. The Bills players are going to be coming off a system where they were having fun, standing up in strange looks, rushing from different positions (Mario coming off both edges as well as inside) and forcing QBs into bad decisions to a defense that will sit back and let Qbs see the field.

At least our defense will match our offense in style points.

Bad decisions? like handing the ball off to a RB to gash the team for hundreds of yds?

The Bills may not get as many big plays under Schwartz as they did Pettine, but I doubt they give up as many big plays either.

I hate losing Pettine as much as anyone but nothing can be done about that.

I think the Bills made a good hire in Schwartz to replace him.

[Mahdi]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

What did you expect Buffalo to do? Offer him double what our HC is making to stay as DC?

Pettine was offered a promotion and a contract and took it. I don't know how the team could have changed anything. What is interesting was that Pettine was Clevelands' 4th choice and he got the job by default.

We hired a guy with a pretty good resume.

But, the fans have to stick with what works. Cry about something before you see anything on the field.

I expected them to hire from within and maintain continuity from the only successful unit we've had in years. Not hire a DC who's system is exact opposite of the one we ran and who was never really that successful as a DC in the first place.

I'm pretty sure our players are not enthused. The ONE time I want the Bills to make a cheapskate move and promote from within they act all smart and get a seemingly high profile hire.

[Mahdi]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

I'm hopeful Schwartz will do great, but I don't see why people think he was an amazing DC. There's a good chance he will be a downgrade from Pettine. Here's how his overall defenses ranked when he was with Titans:

Year Titan's Defense Rank
2002 #11
2003 #13
2004 #30
2005 #29
2006 #31
2007 #8
2008 #2

I was researching back on some of the Titan's MBs, and they attribute 2007 and 2008 to Albert Haynesworth stepping up his play because he was coming up on his contract year. For much of his tenure there, fans were calling for him to be fired. There was even a website called fireschwartz.com that was running.

I'm starting to wish they went with Wade.

Good DC don't go 3 years in a row with bottom ranked defenses....

[swiper]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

This is a typical Bills event. Losing talent before it helps us to win something.

First of all, for those who say the hiring of Pettine will help improve the image of the organization they're wrong IMO. Pettine getting hired adds to the Ryan legacy, not the Bills or Marrone legacy. Other NFL teams will now look closer at the Ryan coaching tree for coordinators and HCs. Pettine was a lone wolf and brought a Ryan scheme that was separate from anything Marrone endorsed. He ran it, he called it and coached it. And it was the only successful unit on the team. Once again the Bills manage to lose talent before it wins us anything.

Second, Schwartz is basically the opposite DC to Pettine. Schwartz plays a simple base 4-3 defense, rarely blitzes and relies mainly on front four pressure. His unit had 33 sacks in 2013. We're basically going to be scaling down our defense. Even as the DC of the Titans he was the same. The Bills players are going to be coming off a system where they were having fun, standing up in strange looks, rushing from different positions (Mario coming off both edges as well as inside) and forcing QBs into bad decisions to a defense that will sit back and let Qbs see the field.

At least our defense will match our offense in style points.

How do you know that? How do you know that the Schwartz hire wasn't contingent on him maintaining the current defensive playbook? Answer: you don't.

[Skooby]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

One factor not being weighed here is that Schwartz has a boss, so the final schemes will be determined by Marrone & implemented by him. I would assume a hybrid package that allows for random blitzing, we got to the QB quite a bit but at what cost to our run defense?

[Mahdi]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

How do you know that? How do you know that the Schwartz hire wasn't contingent on him maintaining the current defensive playbook? Answer: you don't.

Yer right,,, however, does it make sense to hire a DC that rarely or never blitzes to a team that had major success doing it the previous year and set a franchise record in sacks? Does it make sense to hire a DC who is strictly a base 4-3 guy to take on a defense that was successful being multiple?

Sure we had very spotty run defense but we definitely don't need an overhaul of the playbook to improve that. We need 1 or 2 better run defenders.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

One factor not being weighed here is that Schwartz has a boss, so the final schemes will be determined by Marrone & implemented by him. I would assume a hybrid package that allows for random blitzing, we got to the QB quite a bit but at what cost to our run defense?

Then everybody who has the knife out for the ST coach should be going after Marrone?

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Pettine Loss is big -- Schwartz Hiring is a setback

What a bunch of pussy ass whiners.