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  • Don't Panic
    All-Pro Zoner
    • Dec 2005
    • 4227

    Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

    January brings us the NFL playoffs. March takes us into free agency, April (usually) holds down the draft and May ushers in offseason workouts. February?


    Looks like the Bills will potentially be a shade under $20 million in money to spend on this year's draft class and free agent signing period. I'd guess we're looking at $6 million for the rookies, so that probably leaves us with three mid-level signings in FA and maybe a couple bargain basement late period types to boot. Should be enough to plug holes if we spend it wisely.
  • Downinfloflo
    Victimizing The Victimizer
    • Aug 2012
    • 16720

    #2
    Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

    Originally posted by Don't Panic View Post
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ryover-numbers

    Looks like the Bills will potentially be a shade under $20 million in money to spend on this year's draft class and free agent signing period. I'd guess we're looking at $6 million for the rookies, so that probably leaves us with three mid-level signings in FA and maybe a couple bargain basement late period types to boot. Should be enough to plug holes if we spend it wisely.
    Does that include Byrd?

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    • SpikedLemonade
      • Jun 2024

      #3
      Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

      You need to first deduct the $20M that Ralph pockets off the top from the Bills share of the TV revenue. We have an internal salary cap that is $20M below the real cap. The Bills just roll the $20M year over year thus losing the ability to spend the $20M from the prior year.

      In 2016, the 4th year of the 1st 4 year period, because the Bills must spend 89% of the total of the 4 years of the salary cap, we may send a little more otherwise the "penalty" is to pay the the offside amount pro-rated to the players on the team during those 4 years.

      How is Ralph's health these days?

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      • YardRat
        Well, lookie here...
        • Dec 2004
        • 86291

        #4
        Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

        #1---Ralph's too smart of a businessman to 'pocket' 20mil, the taxes would be killer.
        #2---The salary cap floor, if I remember correctly when the new CBA was agreed to, is actually a league-wide cumulative floor, not individually team-by-team.
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        • SpikedLemonade
          • Jun 2024

          #5
          Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
          #1---Ralph's too smart of a businessman to 'pocket' 20mil, the taxes would be killer.
          #2---The salary cap floor, if I remember correctly when the new CBA was agreed to, is actually a league-wide cumulative floor, not individually team-by-team.
          He pockets it by leaving it unspent in the Bills. They will find other expenses to deduct so the tax is minimal.

          No the floor is per team but over two 4 year periods rather than year by year.

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          • Don't Panic
            All-Pro Zoner
            • Dec 2005
            • 4227

            #6
            Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

            Originally posted by Downinfloflo View Post
            Does that include Byrd?
            It wouldn't include any free agents. If Byrd comes back, we're looking at a little more than half the original amount, minus the $6 million for the draft picks. That would probably leave us $5 million to spend on other FAs.

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            • GingerP
              Registered User
              • Aug 2012
              • 1717

              #7
              Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

              Originally posted by YardRat View Post
              #2---The salary cap floor, if I remember correctly when the new CBA was agreed to, is actually a league-wide cumulative floor, not individually team-by-team.
              There is a team floor.

              1) Teams have to spend 89% of their cap room, on average, for the period of 2013 - 2016.

              2) Teams have to spend 89% of their cap room, on average, for the period of 2017 - 2020.

              3) After 2016 & 2020, any team that is under the minimum has to make up the difference (before the next Sept 16) directly to the players who were on the roster during the period in question.

              So, for instance, let's say the cap adds up to $500M for the period of 2013 - 2016 ($125M per year). NFL teams will have to spend $445M during the period minimally ($111.25M per year).

              The 2013 cap was set at $123M (prior to carryover). Thus, 89% of that means cash spending of $98.4M to stay on average.

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86291

                #8
                Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                Do either of you have a link to the actual contract language? I know X-Era did when the new agreement was first signed, but I won't have time to search for it through the archives until later.
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                • streetkings01
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 2980

                  #9
                  Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                  Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                  You need to first deduct the $20M that Ralph pockets off the top from the Bills share of the TV revenue. We have an internal salary cap that is $20M below the real cap. The Bills just roll the $20M year over year thus losing the ability to spend the $20M from the prior year.

                  In 2016, the 4th year of the 1st 4 year period, because the Bills must spend 89% of the total of the 4 years of the salary cap, we may send a little more otherwise the "penalty" is to pay the the offside amount pro-rated to the players on the team during those 4 years.

                  How is Ralph's health these days?
                  Are people still calling Ralph cheap? Thought that was over and done with.........guess not.
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                  • GvilleBills
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 862

                    #10
                    Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                    Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                    You need to first deduct the $20M that Ralph pockets off the top from the Bills share of the TV revenue. We have an internal salary cap that is $20M below the real cap. The Bills just roll the $20M year over year thus losing the ability to spend the $20M from the prior year.

                    In 2016, the 4th year of the 1st 4 year period, because the Bills must spend 89% of the total of the 4 years of the salary cap, we may send a little more otherwise the "penalty" is to pay the the offside amount pro-rated to the players on the team during those 4 years.

                    How is Ralph's health these days?
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                    • GingerP
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1717

                      #11
                      Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                      Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                      Do either of you have a link to the actual contract language? I know X-Era did when the new agreement was first signed, but I won't have time to search for it through the archives until later.
                      Here is the relevant portion of the CBA:

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                      • BertSquirtgum
                        Legendary Zoner
                        • May 2009
                        • 13379

                        #12
                        Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                        Ralph is frugal.

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                        • Mace
                          Haha...yeah you think so ?
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 20315

                          #13
                          Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                          Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                          How is Ralph's health these days?
                          Evidently well enough where he can party it up for 20 million.

                          Let him go, Spiked, it sort of makes you look overly obsessed with a guy in a hospital bed, who wears diapers and eats baby food.

                          Whatcha think he does with that 20 million windfall, Rio, Paris, a nice new bedmat, pillows and a diamond encrusted spoon for his Gerbers ? Or are you thinking Mink G-string and starlets to party it up with ?

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                          • more cowbell
                            Registered User
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 1489

                            #14
                            Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                            Kevin Kolb is going to be cut so add another 3.6 million in cap room. Also, don't be surprised to see Dareus get a new contract which would lower his cap number this year.

                            Other potential cuts:

                            Pears - 3.3 Mil Cap hit according to Rotoworld

                            Moorman - 1 mil cap hit (assuming we find a rookie to replace him)

                            Easley - 730k cap hit

                            K. Elliot - 570k cap hit

                            Hopkins - 495k cap hit

                            Legursky - 850k cap hit

                            Moeaki - 1.25 mil cap hit

                            L. Smith - 688k cap hit

                            A. Allen - 550k cap hit

                            Rodriguez - 570k cap hit

                            So if the players listed above are all not a part of the 2014 Bills...it would tentatively add close to $13.6 million of additional cap space....

                            Source: http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/buf/
                            The last time the Bills made the playoffs was 1999.

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                            • GingerP
                              Registered User
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 1717

                              #15
                              Re: Bills Salary Cap Carryover $$$

                              Keep in mind, if you cut someone with a low salary it doesn't really save much because they will be replaced in the Top-51 with another salary. This is true in the offseason, so any savings is offset by at least a minimum salary ($405K), depending on how much the 51st player makes.

                              Also, the Bills are probably treading carefully with Kolb because it is a concussion issue. He has a $1M roster bonus due on 3/31, so they will likely make a decision before then. However, if he is still suffering symptoms and they cut him, he could file a grievance for termination pay. A player can do that once in his career when cut, and if they win they get their full salary. Until the grievance is heard, he would remain on the Bills cap, likely for the entire season. If he were to lose his grievance, the Bills would receive a credit in 2015. Of course, that is all conjecture, but it likely is why the Bills are being careful saying anything about Kolb.

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