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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    Trade down partners and pick possibilities

    I think the Mike Williams move may be enough to prevent us from taking Mike Evans. I do think Evans is still a possibility but very diminished. OT is still a possibility at 9; maybe more likely now. The thought against that move would be taking a LT prospect at 9 when we have a solid LT already. But you certainly can play a LT prospect at RT. However, we could just simply go after a RT prospect later. If the WR move has diminished and if we'd rather get a RT prospect than a LT prospect, a move down may be something we're interested in.

    But who might be willing to move up?

    A write-up on draft day trade possibilities:
    Bucky Brooks identifies five prospects who are "tipping points" at their respective positions and could galvanize the trade activity of the 2014 NFL Draft.


    My first thought is a team that likes Manziel. I think he will be the one of the top 3 to drop. I'll throw out the disclaimer now, I have no idea what QB's will be drafted where. I am merely going by what I have seen recently.

    Teams rumored to be interested in Manziel: NE (29th pick), Eagles (22nd pick)

    49'ers rumored to be interested in moving up for a WR: They own the 30th pick
    The page you're looking for may have been changed, moved or mysteriously gone missing


    Eagles might want to move up for Evans:
    The page you're looking for may have been changed, moved or mysteriously gone missing


    Jets may want to move up (Ebron or Evans): They have the 18 pick
    The NFL draft is coming up and a number of teams are looking to trade up and the NY Jets are one of the teams that could be trading, as names like Eric Ebron, Mike Evans, Jace Amaro and Sammy Watkins could be in the mix for GM John Idzik, who has 12 picks to work with heading into the May event and that means the Jets could be very active.


    Saints might want to move up for a WR (Evans) or a CB (Gilbert): They have the 27 pick
    The New Orleans Saints know their time to win is right now, so if they see a player available that they feel could step in and make a difference, it's...


    Now. Using the outdated and inaccurate draft pick value chart (only option we have since there isn't a new version)


    Bills pick 9= 1350

    Jets 1st round pick 18= 900
    Jets 2nd round pick 49= 410
    Total= 1310

    Eagles 1st round pick 22= 780
    Eagles 2nd round pick 54= 360
    Eagles 3rd round pick 86= 160
    Eagles 4th round pick 122= 50
    Eagles 5th round pick 162= 26.6
    I think the Eagles deal could be their 1, 2, and 4 picks Total= 1190

    Saints 1st round pick 27= 680
    Saints 2nd round pick 58= 320
    Saints 3rd round pick 91= 136
    Saints 4th round pick 126= 46
    I think like the Eagles, the Saints may give the 1, 2, and 4 plus maybe a late pick Total= 1046+ some small amount for a 6th or 7th

    NE 1st round pick 29= 640
    NE 2nd round pick 62= 284
    NE 3rd round pick 93= 128
    NE 4th round pick 130= 42
    Again I think it would be their 1, 2, and 4 pick plus a late pick. Total= 966

    What would our options be based on a move down with one of these teams?

    I consider OL the big need now. G and RT specifically. Then TE, maybe WR still, SLB, and S. I think S may be a bit interchangeable as far as FS and SS goes but Schwartz may want a run support S so a SS may be possible.

    1- 17 or 22:
    G Zack Martin, Mich
    TE Eric Ebron, UNC- may be gone by 17 or 22

    1- 27 or 29:
    Zack Martin
    OT or G Cyrus Kouandjio, Ala
    G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA

    2- 41:
    G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
    G David Yankey, Stan
    Cyrus Kouandjio
    RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
    TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
    TE Jace Amaro, Tex Tech
    SS Jimmie Ward, No Ill
    OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

    2- 49, 54, 58, or 62:
    WR Donte Moncrief, Miss
    RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
    TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
    WR Jordan Matthews, Van
    TE Jace Amaro
    TE Troy Niklas, ND

    3- 73:
    G Gabe Jackson, Miss St
    RB Jeremy Hill, LSU
    RB Lache Seastrunk, Bay
    G Cyril Richardson, Bay
    LB Yawin Smallwood, Conn

    4- 109:
    RB Andre Williams, BC
    LB Shane Skov, Stan
    G Brandon Thomas, Clem
    LB Christian Jones, FSU
    WR Mike Davis, Tex

    4- 122, 126, or 130:
    SS Craig Loston
    QB Aaron Murray
    CB Deion Belue
    CB Antone Exum
    DT Daniel McCullers
    RT James Hurst, UNC

    If I had my picks on a move down it would be:

    1) Zack Martin
    2a) Antonio Richardson
    2b) Donte Moncrief
    3) Lache Seastrunk
    4a) Shane Skov
    4b) Daniel McCullers
    Last edited by X-Era; 04-06-2014, 08:59 AM.

  • tomz
    Registered User
    • Feb 2007
    • 1786

    #2
    Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

    For any of those at the back of the first round, the Julio Jones trade is a good model. Didn't that cost the Falcons the following year's #1 in addition to other picks in the same draft?

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    • stuckincincy
      Buffalo Bills Fan
      • Sep 2003
      • 15084

      #3
      Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

      X - that's a lot of typing with nary a spelling, syntax, or punctuation error.
      Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.

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      • GvilleBills
        Registered User
        • Mar 2006
        • 862

        #4
        Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

        Originally posted by X-Era View Post
        I think the Mike Williams move may be enough to prevent us from taking Mike Evans. I do think Evans is still a possibility but very diminished. OT is still a possibility at 9; maybe more likely now. The thought against that move would be taking a LT prospect at 9 when we have a solid LT already. But you certainly can play a LT prospect at RT. However, we could just simply go after a RT prospect later. If the WR move has diminished and if we'd rather get a RT prospect than a LT prospect, a move down may be something we're interested in.

        But who might be willing to move up?

        A write-up on draft day trade possibilities:
        Bucky Brooks identifies five prospects who are "tipping points" at their respective positions and could galvanize the trade activity of the 2014 NFL Draft.


        My first thought is a team that likes Manziel. I think he will be the one of the top 3 to drop. I'll throw out the disclaimer now, I have no idea what QB's will be drafted where. I am merely going by what I have seen recently.

        Teams rumored to be interested in Manziel: NE (29th pick), Eagles (22nd pick)

        49'ers rumored to be interested in moving up for a WR: They own the 30th pick
        The page you're looking for may have been changed, moved or mysteriously gone missing


        Eagles might want to move up for Evans:
        The page you're looking for may have been changed, moved or mysteriously gone missing


        Jets may want to move up (Ebron or Evans): They have the 18 pick
        The NFL draft is coming up and a number of teams are looking to trade up and the NY Jets are one of the teams that could be trading, as names like Eric Ebron, Mike Evans, Jace Amaro and Sammy Watkins could be in the mix for GM John Idzik, who has 12 picks to work with heading into the May event and that means the Jets could be very active.


        Saints might want to move up for a WR (Evans) or a CB (Gilbert): They have the 27 pick
        The New Orleans Saints know their time to win is right now, so if they see a player available that they feel could step in and make a difference, it's...


        Now. Using the outdated and inaccurate draft pick value chart (only option we have since there isn't a new version)


        Bills pick 9= 1350

        Jets 1st round pick 18= 900
        Jets 2nd round pick 49= 410
        Total= 1310

        Eagles 1st round pick 22= 780
        Eagles 2nd round pick 54= 360
        Eagles 3rd round pick 86= 160
        Eagles 4th round pick 122= 50
        Eagles 5th round pick 162= 26.6
        I think the Eagles deal could be their 1, 2, and 4 picks Total= 1190

        Saints 1st round pick 27= 680
        Saints 2nd round pick 58= 320
        Saints 3rd round pick 91= 136
        Saints 4th round pick 126= 46
        I think like the Eagles, the Saints may give the 1, 2, and 4 plus maybe a late pick Total= 1046+ some small amount for a 6th or 7th

        NE 1st round pick 29= 640
        NE 2nd round pick 62= 284
        NE 3rd round pick 93= 128
        NE 4th round pick 130= 42
        Again I think it would be their 1, 2, and 4 pick plus a late pick. Total= 966

        What would our options be based on a move down with one of these teams?

        I consider OL the big need now. G and RT specifically. Then TE, maybe WR still, SLB, and S. I think S may be a bit interchangeable as far as FS and SS goes but Schwartz may want a run support S so a SS may be possible.

        1- 17 or 22:
        G Zack Martin, Mich
        TE Eric Ebron, UNC- may be gone by 17 or 22

        1- 27 or 29:
        Zack Martin
        OT or G Cyrus Kouandjio, Ala
        G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA

        2- 41:
        G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
        G David Yankey, Stan
        Cyrus Kouandjio
        RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
        TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
        TE Jace Amaro, Tex Tech
        SS Jimmie Ward, No Ill
        OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

        2- 49, 54, 58, or 62:
        WR Donte Moncrief, Miss
        RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
        TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
        WR Jordan Matthews, Van
        TE Jace Amaro
        TE Troy Niklas, ND

        3- 73:
        G Gabe Jackson, Miss St
        RB Jeremy Hill, LSU
        RB Lache Seastrunk, Bay
        G Cyril Richardson, Bay
        LB Yawin Smallwood, Conn

        4- 109:
        RB Andre Williams, BC
        LB Shane Skov, Stan
        G Brandon Thomas, Clem
        LB Christian Jones, FSU
        WR Mike Davis, Tex

        4- 122, 126, or 130:
        SS Craig Loston
        QB Aaron Murray
        CB Deion Belue
        CB Antone Exum
        DT Daniel McCullers
        RT James Hurst, UNC

        If I had my picks on a move down it would be:

        1) Zack Martin
        2a) Antonio Richardson
        2b) Donte Moncrief
        3) Lache Seastrunk
        4a) Shane Skov
        4b) Daniel McCullers

        If I deal in-division, they pay a premium. Jets cost is a swap of 1sts, their 2nd and 4th.

        1.(17) Ebron TE
        2.(41) Richardson RT
        2.(49) Moncrief WR
        3.(73) Jackson G
        4.(109) Skov LB
        4.(Jets) Murray QB
        Diehard BillGator... best of both worlds

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        • MitchMurrayDowntown
          Skoobasaurus-Rex
          • Oct 2011
          • 22284

          #5
          Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

          Don't deal in the division, it'll be another curse.

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          • Mr. Miyagi
            Lecter's Little Bitch

            • Sep 2002
            • 53616

            #6
            Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

            I will NOT deal with Jets or Pats.

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            • chris66
              Registered User
              • Sep 2006
              • 604

              #7
              Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

              Pats arent going to trade to 9. I doubt they even stay at pick 29. Most likely they will trade back

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              • jamze132
                Registered User
                • Jun 2003
                • 29290

                #8
                Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                Ebron will be a top 15 pick

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                • Forward_Lateral
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 29895

                  #9
                  Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                  If the Bills draft a WR in the 1st round, I won't watch a single down of a Bills game next season.

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                  • Night Train
                    Retired - On Several Levels
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 33117

                    #10
                    Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                    Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
                    If the Bills draft a WR in the 1st round, I won't watch a single down of a Bills game next season.
                    Can't disagree with this. Matt Millen couldn't stop drafting WR's in Detroit and found the street very quickly. WR's have the highest bust percentage and no position is slower to develop.

                    You gave SJ a new deal, drafted 2 WR's (Woods,Goodwin) and trade for Williams within the last year.. Enough already.
                    Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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                    • MitchMurrayDowntown
                      Skoobasaurus-Rex
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 22284

                      #11
                      Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                      Originally posted by Night Train View Post
                      Can't disagree with this. Matt Millen couldn't stop drafting WR's in Detroit and found the street very quickly. WR's have the highest bust percentage and no position is slower to develop.

                      You gave SJ a new deal, drafted 2 WR's (Woods,Goodwin) and trade for Williams within the last year.. Enough already.
                      What about Watkins ?

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                      • better days
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 22028

                        #12
                        Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                        Originally posted by MitchMurrayDowntown View Post
                        What about Watkins ?
                        Watkins will most likely be gone before #9.

                        And having traded Williams to the Bills, the talk in Tampa is the Bucs will draft Evans so he will be gone before #9 also.

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                        • THRILLHO
                          This is great, and all I've done is enter my name!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 1574

                          #13
                          Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                          Trading up in the first is so out of character for NE. Especially for the kind of player Manziel is. And double with a team in the division.
                          True fans want wins, not draft picks.

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                          • better days
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 22028

                            #14
                            Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                            Originally posted by THRILLHO View Post
                            Trading up in the first is so out of character for NE. Especially for the kind of player Manziel is. And double with a team in the division.
                            I think it is possible Manziel falls to the Pats* anyway, if they want him.

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                            • trapezeus
                              Legendary Zoner
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 19525

                              #15
                              Re: Trade down partners and pick possibilities

                              you can't look at every WR to be a bust. if you rank the guy to be a game changer, take him. Especially if he is the top WR talent. Otherwise, yes, don't go chasing after WR because everyone else has taken one.

                              but i think the bills still need talent. and at 9, it's easier to control your destiny on seeing talent then going back into the 18-24 picks.

                              Last year, it made sense. they knew their guy, they knew he was going to be there, where ever they moved in the draft and got value and their guy.

                              This year, the need to supplement the team with talent and not simply depth.

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