Trade down partners and pick possibilities

[X-Era]

I think the Mike Williams move may be enough to prevent us from taking Mike Evans. I do think Evans is still a possibility but very diminished. OT is still a possibility at 9; maybe more likely now. The thought against that move would be taking a LT prospect at 9 when we have a solid LT already. But you certainly can play a LT prospect at RT. However, we could just simply go after a RT prospect later. If the WR move has diminished and if we'd rather get a RT prospect than a LT prospect, a move down may be something we're interested in.

But who might be willing to move up?

A write-up on draft day trade possibilities:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000339514/article/five-prospects-worth-trading-up-for-in-2014-nfl-draft

My first thought is a team that likes Manziel. I think he will be the one of the top 3 to drop. I'll throw out the disclaimer now, I have no idea what QB's will be drafted where. I am merely going by what I have seen recently.

Teams rumored to be interested in Manziel: NE (29th pick), Eagles (22nd pick)

49'ers rumored to be interested in moving up for a WR: They own the 30th pick
http://fansided.com/2014/04/05/nfl-draft-rumors-san-francisco-49ers-open-trade/#!CVY7U

Eagles might want to move up for Evans:
http://fansided.com/2014/04/03/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-philadelphia-eagles-want-trade-mike-evans/

Jets may want to move up (Ebron or Evans): They have the 18 pick
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/28937/20140404/nfl-trade-rumors-ny-jets-trading-up-in-draft-for-eric-ebron-mike-evans-jace-amaro-with-12-picks-for-john-idzik.htm

Saints might want to move up for a WR (Evans) or a CB (Gilbert): They have the 27 pick
http://fansided.com/2014/03/30/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-new-orleans-saints-willing-trade/#!CVZ6V

Now. Using the outdated and inaccurate draft pick value chart (only option we have since there isn't a new version)
http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Bills pick 9= 1350

Jets 1st round pick 18= 900
Jets 2nd round pick 49= 410
Total= 1310

Eagles 1st round pick 22= 780
Eagles 2nd round pick 54= 360
Eagles 3rd round pick 86= 160
Eagles 4th round pick 122= 50
Eagles 5th round pick 162= 26.6
I think the Eagles deal could be their 1, 2, and 4 picks Total= 1190

Saints 1st round pick 27= 680
Saints 2nd round pick 58= 320
Saints 3rd round pick 91= 136
Saints 4th round pick 126= 46
I think like the Eagles, the Saints may give the 1, 2, and 4 plus maybe a late pick Total= 1046+ some small amount for a 6th or 7th

NE 1st round pick 29= 640
NE 2nd round pick 62= 284
NE 3rd round pick 93= 128
NE 4th round pick 130= 42
Again I think it would be their 1, 2, and 4 pick plus a late pick. Total= 966

What would our options be based on a move down with one of these teams?

I consider OL the big need now. G and RT specifically. Then TE, maybe WR still, SLB, and S. I think S may be a bit interchangeable as far as FS and SS goes but Schwartz may want a run support S so a SS may be possible.

1- 17 or 22:
G Zack Martin, Mich
TE Eric Ebron, UNC- may be gone by 17 or 22

1- 27 or 29:
Zack Martin
OT or G Cyrus Kouandjio, Ala
G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA

2- 41:
G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
G David Yankey, Stan
Cyrus Kouandjio
RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
TE Jace Amaro, Tex Tech
SS Jimmie Ward, No Ill
OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

2- 49, 54, 58, or 62:
WR Donte Moncrief, Miss
RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
WR Jordan Matthews, Van
TE Jace Amaro
TE Troy Niklas, ND

3- 73:
G Gabe Jackson, Miss St
RB Jeremy Hill, LSU
RB Lache Seastrunk, Bay
G Cyril Richardson, Bay
LB Yawin Smallwood, Conn

4- 109:
RB Andre Williams, BC
LB Shane Skov, Stan
G Brandon Thomas, Clem
LB Christian Jones, FSU
WR Mike Davis, Tex

4- 122, 126, or 130:
SS Craig Loston
QB Aaron Murray
CB Deion Belue
CB Antone Exum
DT Daniel McCullers
RT James Hurst, UNC

If I had my picks on a move down it would be:

1) Zack Martin
2a) Antonio Richardson
2b) Donte Moncrief
3) Lache Seastrunk
4a) Shane Skov
4b) Daniel McCullers

[tomz]

For any of those at the back of the first round, the Julio Jones trade is a good model. Didn't that cost the Falcons the following year's #1 in addition to other picks in the same draft?

[stuckincincy]

X - that's a lot of typing with nary a spelling, syntax, or punctuation error. :drive:

[GvilleBills]

I think the Mike Williams move may be enough to prevent us from taking Mike Evans. I do think Evans is still a possibility but very diminished. OT is still a possibility at 9; maybe more likely now. The thought against that move would be taking a LT prospect at 9 when we have a solid LT already. But you certainly can play a LT prospect at RT. However, we could just simply go after a RT prospect later. If the WR move has diminished and if we'd rather get a RT prospect than a LT prospect, a move down may be something we're interested in.

But who might be willing to move up?

A write-up on draft day trade possibilities:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000339514/article/five-prospects-worth-trading-up-for-in-2014-nfl-draft

My first thought is a team that likes Manziel. I think he will be the one of the top 3 to drop. I'll throw out the disclaimer now, I have no idea what QB's will be drafted where. I am merely going by what I have seen recently.

Teams rumored to be interested in Manziel: NE (29th pick), Eagles (22nd pick)

49'ers rumored to be interested in moving up for a WR: They own the 30th pick
http://fansided.com/2014/04/05/nfl-draft-rumors-san-francisco-49ers-open-trade/#!CVY7U

Eagles might want to move up for Evans:
http://fansided.com/2014/04/03/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-philadelphia-eagles-want-trade-mike-evans/

Jets may want to move up (Ebron or Evans): They have the 18 pick
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/28937/20140404/nfl-trade-rumors-ny-jets-trading-up-in-draft-for-eric-ebron-mike-evans-jace-amaro-with-12-picks-for-john-idzik.htm

Saints might want to move up for a WR (Evans) or a CB (Gilbert): They have the 27 pick
http://fansided.com/2014/03/30/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-new-orleans-saints-willing-trade/#!CVZ6V

Now. Using the outdated and inaccurate draft pick value chart (only option we have since there isn't a new version)
http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Bills pick 9= 1350

Jets 1st round pick 18= 900
Jets 2nd round pick 49= 410
Total= 1310

Eagles 1st round pick 22= 780
Eagles 2nd round pick 54= 360
Eagles 3rd round pick 86= 160
Eagles 4th round pick 122= 50
Eagles 5th round pick 162= 26.6
I think the Eagles deal could be their 1, 2, and 4 picks Total= 1190

Saints 1st round pick 27= 680
Saints 2nd round pick 58= 320
Saints 3rd round pick 91= 136
Saints 4th round pick 126= 46
I think like the Eagles, the Saints may give the 1, 2, and 4 plus maybe a late pick Total= 1046+ some small amount for a 6th or 7th

NE 1st round pick 29= 640
NE 2nd round pick 62= 284
NE 3rd round pick 93= 128
NE 4th round pick 130= 42
Again I think it would be their 1, 2, and 4 pick plus a late pick. Total= 966

What would our options be based on a move down with one of these teams?

I consider OL the big need now. G and RT specifically. Then TE, maybe WR still, SLB, and S. I think S may be a bit interchangeable as far as FS and SS goes but Schwartz may want a run support S so a SS may be possible.

1- 17 or 22:
G Zack Martin, Mich
TE Eric Ebron, UNC- may be gone by 17 or 22

1- 27 or 29:
Zack Martin
OT or G Cyrus Kouandjio, Ala
G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA

2- 41:
G Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
G David Yankey, Stan
Cyrus Kouandjio
RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
TE Jace Amaro, Tex Tech
SS Jimmie Ward, No Ill
OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

2- 49, 54, 58, or 62:
WR Donte Moncrief, Miss
RT Antonio Richardson, Tenn
TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Wash
WR Jordan Matthews, Van
TE Jace Amaro
TE Troy Niklas, ND

3- 73:
G Gabe Jackson, Miss St
RB Jeremy Hill, LSU
RB Lache Seastrunk, Bay
G Cyril Richardson, Bay
LB Yawin Smallwood, Conn

4- 109:
RB Andre Williams, BC
LB Shane Skov, Stan
G Brandon Thomas, Clem
LB Christian Jones, FSU
WR Mike Davis, Tex

4- 122, 126, or 130:
SS Craig Loston
QB Aaron Murray
CB Deion Belue
CB Antone Exum
DT Daniel McCullers
RT James Hurst, UNC

If I had my picks on a move down it would be:

1) Zack Martin
2a) Antonio Richardson
2b) Donte Moncrief
3) Lache Seastrunk
4a) Shane Skov
4b) Daniel McCullers


If I deal in-division, they pay a premium. Jets cost is a swap of 1sts, their 2nd and 4th.

1.(17) Ebron TE
2.(41) Richardson RT
2.(49) Moncrief WR
3.(73) Jackson G
4.(109) Skov LB
4.(Jets) Murray QB

[Skooby]

Don't deal in the division, it'll be another curse.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I will NOT deal with Jets or Pats.

[chris66]

Pats arent going to trade to 9. I doubt they even stay at pick 29. Most likely they will trade back

[jamze132]

Ebron will be a top 15 pick

[Forward_Lateral]

If the Bills draft a WR in the 1st round, I won't watch a single down of a Bills game next season.

[Night Train]

If the Bills draft a WR in the 1st round, I won't watch a single down of a Bills game next season.

:rofl: Can't disagree with this. Matt Millen couldn't stop drafting WR's in Detroit and found the street very quickly. WR's have the highest bust percentage and no position is slower to develop.

You gave SJ a new deal, drafted 2 WR's (Woods,Goodwin) and trade for Williams within the last year.. Enough already.

[Skooby]

:rofl: Can't disagree with this. Matt Millen couldn't stop drafting WR's in Detroit and found the street very quickly. WR's have the highest bust percentage and no position is slower to develop.

You gave SJ a new deal, drafted 2 WR's (Woods,Goodwin) and trade for Williams within the last year.. Enough already.
What about Watkins ?

[better days]

What about Watkins ?

Watkins will most likely be gone before #9.

And having traded Williams to the Bills, the talk in Tampa is the Bucs will draft Evans so he will be gone before #9 also.

[THRILLHO]

Trading up in the first is so out of character for NE. Especially for the kind of player Manziel is. And double with a team in the division.

[better days]

Trading up in the first is so out of character for NE. Especially for the kind of player Manziel is. And double with a team in the division.

I think it is possible Manziel falls to the Pats* anyway, if they want him.

[trapezeus]

you can't look at every WR to be a bust. if you rank the guy to be a game changer, take him. Especially if he is the top WR talent. Otherwise, yes, don't go chasing after WR because everyone else has taken one.

but i think the bills still need talent. and at 9, it's easier to control your destiny on seeing talent then going back into the 18-24 picks.

Last year, it made sense. they knew their guy, they knew he was going to be there, where ever they moved in the draft and got value and their guy.

This year, the need to supplement the team with talent and not simply depth.

[DesertFox24]

I think the bills should look OL or DL, but I am just not sure they will be able to trade down.

It takes two to trade down.

[Kenny]

Given guys like Watkins, Clowney and Mack will all likely be gone before we pick, I wouldnt mind trading down for more picks...

But @ 9, I'd be more than okay with picking up Matthews, Mosley, or Ebron.

[jimmifli]

I think the new rookie contracts make rookie starters exceptionally valuable. Guys that start in their 2nd year are almost as good.

Stars that play four years (with a team option for the 5th) save so much money that can be spent on a "push for the SuperBowl".

Now where do you find day 1 starters and star players? At the top of the first round. And guys that start in their 2nd year? 1st-3rd rounds. Late round early starters are rare, and backups' contracts are cheap anyways so the benefit isn't that big.

So, what I'm saying is that top picks are more valuable than ever! If we do trade down, it needs to be a better deal than the standard draft value, and our return picks need to be in the 1st-3rd rounds (even if that means including picks from future drafts).

[Forward_Lateral]

you can't look at every WR to be a bust. if you rank the guy to be a game changer, take him. Especially if he is the top WR talent. Otherwise, yes, don't go chasing after WR because everyone else has taken one.

but i think the bills still need talent. and at 9, it's easier to control your destiny on seeing talent then going back into the 18-24 picks.

Last year, it made sense. they knew their guy, they knew he was going to be there, where ever they moved in the draft and got value and their guy.

This year, the need to supplement the team with talent and not simply depth.

They don't need anymore WRs. They have 12 on the fuggin roster. So, unless they plan on trading Stevie or one of the guys they drafted (highly unlikely), drafting a WR over an OT, LB, Safety, Corner, TE, even RB would be insanely stupid.

[mysticsoto]

Unless somebody exceptional falls to us, our pick will almost likely be an OT, TE or a LB. If we go TE, I'd love to trade back a few picks. But we can't go too far back or we won't get him.

I'd be perfectly happy with Anthony Barr or either of the top 3 OTs as well. As long as we get atleast 1 Guard in the 2nd or 3rd, I like that we can take BPA just about everywhere.

[jimmifli]

Unless somebody exceptional falls to us, our pick will almost likely be an OT, TE or a LB. If we go TE, I'd love to trade back a few picks. But we can't go too far back or we won't get him.

I'd be perfectly happy with Anthony Barr or either of the top 3 OTs as well. As long as we get atleast 1 Guard in the 2nd or 3rd, I like that we can take BPA just about everywhere.
I think there are 2 top OTs then a 3rd guy that's pretty good but doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the first 2. If we're going to take Lewan or Ebron, it better be after trading back.

[DesertFox24]

How would everyone feel if we drafted Aaron Donald.

Lets be honest Kyle Williams is not old but not young and does have injury concerns, and the DT depth is lacking a penetrating three technique. I know Dareus can do it, but what makes him so good and so valuable is he is a 1 technique that is as good at penetrating as a three technique. In other words Dareus plays the 1 technique and holds two guys but is good enough to get off blocks and penetrate or push the pocket.

If something happens to Kyle who replaces him, this could have an effect on the DL effectiveness as they can then double Mario and Dareus and chip on Hughes.

[X-Era]

How would everyone feel if we drafted Aaron Donald.

Lets be honest Kyle Williams is not old but not young and does have injury concerns, and the DT depth is lacking a penetrating three technique. I know Dareus can do it, but what makes him so good and so valuable is he is a 1 technique that is as good at penetrating as a three technique. In other words Dareus plays the 1 technique and holds two guys but is good enough to get off blocks and penetrate or push the pocket.

If something happens to Kyle who replaces him, this could have an effect on the DL effectiveness as they can then double Mario and Dareus and chip on Hughes.As a fan of the Spiller pick I can never dislike taking the best available. I think 9 may be a bit early and we will have better players available there.

[Mace]

As a fan of the Spiller pick I can never dislike taking the best available. I think 9 may be a bit early and we will have better players available there.

I'm the opposite, and no fan of that BPA Spiller pick. Without offense, I sure hope we don't replace Kyle Williams with another Kyle Williams or we're never going to stop running backs.

[X-Era]

I'm the opposite, and no fan of that BPA Spiller pick. Without offense, I sure hope we don't replace Kyle Williams with another Kyle Williams or we're never going to stop running backs.
I wouldn't mind drafting a monster like Daniel McCullers from Tenn in a middle round to be a plug in against the run.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2027385/daniel-mccullers

[DesertFox24]

As a fan of the Spiller pick I can never dislike taking the best available. I think 9 may be a bit early and we will have better players available there.

I do agree with you on the Donald not being best available.

I honestly have no idea what Buffalo is going to do, which is wierd we usually have an idea of a position they are looking for but Whaley has been much closer to the vest than Buddy,

[DesertFox24]

I wouldn't mind drafting a monster like Daniel McCullers from Tenn in a middle round to be a plug in against the run.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2027385/daniel-mccullers

We already have 3 guys behind them that are monsters and way better than McCuller (Branch, Bryant, and Charles) are all over 6'3 and over 320.

McCullers does not get down low and is not athletic enough to move off blocks all he does is bull rush which will not work against pro interior OL.

Now I might take a chance on McCullers if we are going to move him to OL, sort of what Marrone did with the Jets OG.

[The Jokeman]

Unless somebody exceptional falls to us, our pick will almost likely be an OT, TE or a LB. If we go TE, I'd love to trade back a few picks. But we can't go too far back or we won't get him.

I'd be perfectly happy with Anthony Barr or either of the top 3 OTs as well. As long as we get atleast 1 Guard in the 2nd or 3rd, I like that we can take BPA just about everywhere.

Barr is a risky pick as he's not an ideal scheme fit and questionable if he is as good as his measurables. Personally I think a top 3 OT is the best pick we can make. After that I'd be looking to trade down but worst case would be reaching on Ebron as he does fit a need and has great skills but just question him as a top 10 pick.

[The Jokeman]

How would everyone feel if we drafted Aaron Donald.

Lets be honest Kyle Williams is not old but not young and does have injury concerns, and the DT depth is lacking a penetrating three technique. I know Dareus can do it, but what makes him so good and so valuable is he is a 1 technique that is as good at penetrating as a three technique. In other words Dareus plays the 1 technique and holds two guys but is good enough to get off blocks and penetrate or push the pocket.

If something happens to Kyle who replaces him, this could have an effect on the DL effectiveness as they can then double Mario and Dareus and chip on Hughes.

Donald doesn't add anything we lack, as we have good DTs in Dareus and Kyle but we lack a true NT. If something did happen to Kyle we could kick Branch inside and maybe then have Lawson/Hughes play DE. As right now my front 4 is right to left is Branch, Dareus, Kyle and Mario. I'm not opposed to look for depth D-lineman but not with our top pick when we have some needs at OT and TE. To me I'd target a DT/DE in Round 5 or so and one name I like is Deandre Coleman.

[X-Era]

We already have 3 guys behind them that are monsters and way better than McCuller (Branch, Bryant, and Charles) are all over 6'3 and over 320.

McCullers does not get down low and is not athletic enough to move off blocks all he does is bull rush which will not work against pro interior OL.

Now I might take a chance on McCullers if we are going to move him to OL, sort of what Marrone did with the Jets OG.The thing I like the most about us this year is our depth. We aren't going into the draft with any wide open holes where last years starter is gone. Byrd might be one but we started Searcy and have a glut of backups. We have needs but really only a few big needs like at G and RT. And both have last years starters back and G has a new face to compete.

We can always use upgrades but I like that the draftees have to earn their jobs rather than having them handed to them. The draft will make us even deeper and give us some young prospects to make us even better.

I know we haven't signed any studs. But I really want them to come from the draft anyway. I think we may land a few this year.

[stuckincincy]

The thing I like the most about us this year is our depth. We aren't going into the draft with any wide open holes where last years starter is gone. Byrd might be one but we started Searcy and have a glut of backups. We have needs but really only a few big needs like at G and RT. And both have last years starters back and G has a new face to compete.

We can always use upgrades but I like that the draftees have to earn their jobs rather than having them handed to them. The draft will make us even deeper and give us some young prospects to make us even better.

I know we haven't signed any studs. But I really want them to come from the draft anyway. I think we may land a few this year.

What depth?

They were among the league "leaders" in not losing starters because of injury, and none of their reserves came up and added.

The BUF brain trust must hold the record for not developing a bench for years and years.

If I called the draft shots, I'd draft 3 OLs and 3 LBs

Good gosh - when's the last time another club plucked a BUF ps squad player?

[X-Era]

What depth?

They were among the league "leaders" in not losing starters because of injury, and none of their reserves came up and added.

The BUF brain trust must hold the record for not developing a bench for years and years.

If I called the draft shots, I'd draft 3 OLs and 3 LBs

Good gosh - when's the last time another club plucked a BUF ps squad player?We have veteran depth at almost every position. And at almost every position we have young guys with potential and will add even more in the draft.

This team may choose to start UDFA's but it won't be because we didn't have guys with experience.

We have depth. What we don't have is good enough overall talent yet at the starting positions. Big upgrades at RT and RG plus a play maker at LB, WR, or TE would make us much stronger overall.

Put it this way, are you implying our current backups and added players are not at least worthy of backup positions?

[better days]

I'm the opposite, and no fan of that BPA Spiller pick. Without offense, I sure hope we don't replace Kyle Williams with another Kyle Williams or we're never going to stop running backs.

As long as Brandon Spikes is a Bill, the RB's will be stopped in their tracks.