San Fran Has 11 Draft Picks - Whaley Should Be Calling Them To Trade Down

[Night Train]

San Fran is looking for a WR and needs a CB or 2.

11 guys are NOT going to make their final roster, the result of being a top team.

San Fran Picks

1. First round – No. 30 overall
2. Second round – No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs)
3. Second round – No. 61 overall
4. Third round – No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans)
5. Third round – No. 94 overall
6. Third round – No. 100 overall (compensatory)
7. Fourth round – No. 129 overall
8. Fifth round - No. 170 overall
9. Seventh round – No. 242 overall (from the New Orleans Saints)
10. Seventh round – No. 243 overall (from the Carolina Panthers)
11. Seventh round – No. 245 overall


I realize many become polarized by the Round 1 pick, as if the draft begins and ends there. Yet this is the deepest draft in 15-20 years, which means a golden opportunity to replenish needed holes and depth for the forward thinking GM's. Whaley and Marrone have been a team for a year now and have made many moves to revamp the roster. Opportunity knocks.

I would have no issue with moving back to #30 while picking up additional picks in this draft. I doubt San Fran would mind giving up a few picks to get a specific player or 2, since that's all that will make their team. At #30 you could still get a starting RT, for example.

Our needs are still numerous and long term. 4th rounders this year would be 2nd rounders other years, according to many scouting reports I've read. Deep, deep drafts like this only come up once in a while. Lots of value and extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks etc. would really make sense this year.

Call San Fran and plant the seed.

[better days]

San Fran is looking for a WR and needs a CB or 2.

11 guys are NOT going to make their final roster, the result of being a top team.

San Fran Picks

1. First round – No. 30 overall
2. Second round – No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs)
3. Second round – No. 61 overall
4. Third round – No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans)
5. Third round – No. 94 overall
6. Third round – No. 100 overall (compensatory)
7. Fourth round – No. 129 overall
8. Fifth round - No. 170 overall
9. Seventh round – No. 242 overall (from the New Orleans Saints)
10. Seventh round – No. 243 overall (from the Carolina Panthers)
11. Seventh round – No. 245 overall


I realize many become polarized by the Round 1 pick, as if the draft begins and ends there. Yet this is the deepest draft in 15-20 years, which means a golden opportunity to replenish needed holes and depth for the forward thinking GM's. Whaley and Marrone have been a team for a year now and have made many moves to revamp the roster. Opportunity knocks.

I would have no issue with moving back to #30 while picking up additional picks in this draft. I doubt San Fran would mind giving up a few picks to get a specific player or 2, since that's all that will make their team. At #30 you could still get a starting RT, for example.

Our needs are still numerous and long term. 4th rounders this year would be 2nd rounders other years, according to many scouting reports I've read. Deep, deep drafts like this only come up once in a while. Lots of value and extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks etc. would really make sense this year.

Call San Fran and plant the seed.

I would prefer a trade down more than a trade up.

I would be very surprised if it happens though.

[X-Era]

San Fran is looking for a WR and needs a CB or 2.

11 guys are NOT going to make their final roster, the result of being a top team.

San Fran Picks

1. First round – No. 30 overall
2. Second round – No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs)
3. Second round – No. 61 overall
4. Third round – No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans)
5. Third round – No. 94 overall
6. Third round – No. 100 overall (compensatory)
7. Fourth round – No. 129 overall
8. Fifth round - No. 170 overall
9. Seventh round – No. 242 overall (from the New Orleans Saints)
10. Seventh round – No. 243 overall (from the Carolina Panthers)
11. Seventh round – No. 245 overall


I realize many become polarized by the Round 1 pick, as if the draft begins and ends there. Yet this is the deepest draft in 15-20 years, which means a golden opportunity to replenish needed holes and depth for the forward thinking GM's. Whaley and Marrone have been a team for a year now and have made many moves to revamp the roster. Opportunity knocks.

I would have no issue with moving back to #30 while picking up additional picks in this draft. I doubt San Fran would mind giving up a few picks to get a specific player or 2, since that's all that will make their team. At #30 you could still get a starting RT, for example.

Our needs are still numerous and long term. 4th rounders this year would be 2nd rounders other years, according to many scouting reports I've read. Deep, deep drafts like this only come up once in a while. Lots of value and extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks etc. would really make sense this year.

Call San Fran and plant the seed.
I dont have an issue with moving down depending on how the draft falls. I'd like another 2nd rounder. I agree that a RT can be had later in the draft. What I would like to do though is land a G and RT in the first 4 rounds.

[Skooby]

Maybe if San Fran kicks in their first next year.

[YardRat]

It would take a boatload to move up 21 spots.

[Night Train]

It would take a boatload to move up 21 spots.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

Value chart targets the extra picks San Fran has in Rounds 2 & 3 ( maybe more, if the Bills wish ).

[EDS]

Who wound San Fran want to move up for? If Evans is on the board sure, but they are not moving up to draft an OT or TE.

[Night Train]

Who wound San Fran want to move up for? If Evans is on the board sure, but they are not moving up to draft an OT or TE.

Talk yesterday on NFL Network stated a couple of top CB's (no names) they covet.

[Novacane]

Id do it for 30, 56 and 61 . They'd come out ahead on the points by 98 but 3 players for 1 I wouldn't care.

[SpikedLemonade]

If we could trade our #9 overall draft pick for SF's 1st, two 2nds and two 3rds, I would do it.

That would give us three 2nd round and three 3rd round draft picks plus the 30th overall.

I would also be willing to trade our 4th and 5th to get back up into the end of the 3rd.

If the draft is as deep as they say it is, this is the year you want to stockpile 2nd and 3rd round picks.

It would allow us to fill a lot of holes even if we don't get lucky to draft an elite talent.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

If we could trade our #9 overall draft pick for SF's 1st, two 2nds and two 3rds, I would do it.

That would give us three 2nd round and three 3rd round draft picks plus the 30th overall.

I would also be willing to trade our 4th and 5th to get back up into the end of the 3rd.

If the draft is as deep as they say it is, this is the year you want to stockpile 2nd and 3rd round picks.

It would allow us to fill a lot of holes even if we don't get lucky to draft an elite talent.

That's an enormous draft haul for the #9. I don't see SF going for it unless something absurd happens like Mack or Watkins falling to us.

[TedMock]

Our 9th pick is worth 1350 points on the chart. San Fran's 30th (620), 56th (340), 61st (292) and 100th (100) are worth 1352. That would be the most equal we could get and I would take it in two seconds. Having said that, I would be willing to sacrifice the 3rd (100th) at the last second if we had to. 3 second rounders in this draft would be awesome. Three 2nds and two thirds would be better.

[stuckincincy]

San Fran is looking for a WR and needs a CB or 2.

11 guys are NOT going to make their final roster, the result of being a top team.




Perhaps they will deal some away for picks next year, or trade some to pick up a current player to strength their roster. Their #6 is a comp pick, which can't be traded.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

God not the draft chart again.

[stuckincincy]

God not the draft chart again.

I thought that went on the back burner when the rookie cap was implemented...

[OpIv37]

I'm not opposed to trading down, but all the way to 30? Do you guys really trust this org to draft well enough with extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to make up for missing out on a top 10 guy? I don't.

[Night Train]

I'm not opposed to trading down, but all the way to 30? Do you guys really trust this org to draft well enough with extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to make up for missing out on a top 10 guy? I don't.

Last 2 years in Round 2. Glenn, Woods, Alonzo.

[Novacane]

I'm not opposed to trading down, but all the way to 30? Do you guys really trust this org to draft well enough with extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to make up for missing out on a top 10 guy? I don't.

They can miss no matter where they pick. They've proven that. 3 players in the top 60 or 1 at #9? I could argue they have a better chance of hitting on 1 player with the three picks than they do with the one.

[OpIv37]

Last 2 years in Round 2. Glenn, Woods, Alonzo.
Before that:
2011- Aaron Williams- sucked at CB but good at S so far
2010- Torrell Troup. Ugh
2009- Byrd and Levitre
2008- James Hardy. Ugh.

Now, Whaley was here with Nix in 2011 so he had no role in anything that happened before that and we don't know how much of a role he had in 11-13. That being said, he did have a role in the two good picks from '09 no longer being here.....

[OpIv37]

They can miss no matter where they pick. They've proven that. 3 players in the top 60 or 1 at #9? I could argue they have a better chance of hitting on 1 player with the three picks than they do with the one.

Well there will be less players available with the later picks so that reduces the chance of each individual pick finding a good player, especially since the top talent gets picked off first.

Do the extra picks increase the chances of finding a good player more than the reduced talent pool decreases them? I don't know- that's a question for someone whose math is better than mine.

[The last buffalo fan]

Night Train, make it happen!!!

[Ed]

If the 9ers offered their 1st, both 2nd's, and a 3rd for the #9 pick, I wouldn't even hesitate. That would give us 6 picks in the first three rounds of a deep talented draft. We could get an OT, OG, TE, WR, and two defensive players all in the top 100 picks. That would be awesome. Even if you missed on half the picks, you still get three good players in the first three rounds. I love what the Bills have done the past couple years in round 2, so why not get some more picks. Who are you going to get at #9 that's worth more than 3 additional players?

[OpIv37]

If the 9ers offered their 1st, both 2nd's, and a 3rd for the #9 pick, I wouldn't even hesitate. That would give us 6 picks in the first three rounds of a deep talented draft. We could get an OT, OG, TE, WR, and two defensive players all in the top 100 picks. That would be awesome. Even if you missed on half the picks, you still get three good players in the first three rounds. I love what the Bills have done the past couple years in round 2, so why not get some more picks. Who are you going to get at #9 that's worth more than 3 additional players?
It depends. If the 3 are James Hardy, Torell Troup and TJ Graham, lots of players are worth more than the 3.

If the 3 are Alonso, Glenn and Woods, you'd be hard pressed finding a #9 that's better.

[better days]

I just read on profootball talk that if Manziel makes it past #8, the Cowboys might trade up for him.

The Bills pick #9. Interesting.

[Ed]

It depends. If the 3 are James Hardy, Torell Troup and TJ Graham, lots of players are worth more than the 3.

If the 3 are Alonso, Glenn and Woods, you'd be hard pressed finding a #9 that's better.
Well yeah and if you draft Aaron Maybin at #9 that sucks too. Obviously if you draft garbage players it doesn't really matter where you pick or how many picks you had.

Without knowing who's going to be a bust or not, the question is do you like a player like OT Jake Matthews at #9, or one of the 2nd tier OT's at #30 plus the chance to get 3 extra players in the next two rounds?

Would you rather have Eric Ebron, or Troy Niklas plus 3?

I just don't see any realistic options at #9 that makes me think that pick is worth more than 4 picks in the first three rounds.

[better days]

Well yeah and if you draft Aaron Maybin at #9 that sucks too. Obviously if you draft garbage players it doesn't really matter where you pick or how many picks you had.

Without knowing who's going to be a bust or not, the question is do you like a player like OT Jake Matthews at #9, or one of the 2nd tier OT's at #30 plus the chance to get 3 extra players in the next two rounds?

Would you rather have Eric Ebron, or Troy Niklas plus 3?

I just don't see any realistic options at #9 that makes me think that pick is worth more than 4 picks in the first three rounds.

As much as I would like Matthews, I would love those picks.

[stuckincincy]

I just read on profootball talk that if Manziel makes it past #8, the Cowboys might trade up for him.

The Bills pick #9. Interesting.

Odd. Romo is among the least of DAL's problems.

[jimmifli]

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

Value chart targets the extra picks San Fran has in Rounds 2 & 3 ( maybe more, if the Bills wish ).

The draft value charts were pre rookie cap. Now a rookie contract starter is so cheap they are worth more than any other contract on the team. Most of the guys picked at the top of round one are day1 starters and often 1st or 2nd season probowlers. They are more valuable than before the new rookie contracts came into effect.

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Odd. Romo is among the least of DAL's problems.
But Jones is among DAL's biggest. :)

[swiper]

It would take a boatload to move up 21 spots.

Not going to happen.

[Bill Cody]

Call San Fran and plant the seed.

Not exactly sure what you're suggesting but the odds of a move from 9th to 30th are extremely remote. They won't want to pay what such a move would cost for starters and not sure the Bills would want to move down that far.

[The Jokeman]

Who wound San Fran want to move up for? If Evans is on the board sure, but they are not moving up to draft an OT or TE.

I could see them wanting Anthony Barr with Aldon Smith looking like he's going to be suspended for part of the season and likely not re-signed after this offseason.

[TedMock]

The draft value charts were pre rookie cap. Now a rookie contract starter is so cheap they are worth more than any other contract on the team. Most of the guys picked at the top of round one are day1 starters and often 1st or 2nd season probowlers. They are more valuable than before the new rookie contracts came into effect

There's some flexibility with it, but it is still used as a guideline.

[The Jokeman]

Well yeah and if you draft Aaron Maybin at #9 that sucks too. Obviously if you draft garbage players it doesn't really matter where you pick or how many picks you had.

Without knowing who's going to be a bust or not, the question is do you like a player like OT Jake Matthews at #9, or one of the 2nd tier OT's at #30 plus the chance to get 3 extra players in the next two rounds?

Would you rather have Eric Ebron, or Troy Niklas plus 3?

I just don't see any realistic options at #9 that makes me think that pick is worth more than 4 picks in the first three rounds.

It sounds obvious but most fail to realize that the draft is about getting the best collection of players and I agree with you that having 4 picks in the first three rounds should trump any single player you can get in Round 1 yet with some of the more recent Bills' drafts will have you question that. As looking back to 2010 we only have one pick of that draft still on roster worth keeping long term, CJ Spiller who ironically enough was drafted 9th overall. Granted we did lose Carrington as an UFA and Marcus Easley still has potential to step up but at this point think he's on the roster bubble.

[Ginger Vitis]

Odd. Romo is among the least of DAL's problems.

2 back surgeries in one year is a big concern

[ghz in pittsburgh]

To me the wild movement is still on QB. Of the Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, if two are gone by the #9 pick -- which is likely -- then it becomes quite interesting for the Bills and the Lions since both teams maybe willing to move.

Another possibility is wide receiver, like Evans unexpectedly drops down. There are a few teams very insterested in a big receiver, including the Steelers, though the same can be said for the Bills.

[stuckincincy]

2 back surgeries in one year is a big concern

Oops...

[D'Angelo Vickers]

I'm not opposed to trading down, but all the way to 30? Do you guys really trust this org to draft well enough with extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to make up for missing out on a top 10 guy? I don't.

If you think their drafting is that bad, your philosophy should be for them to have as many picks as possible.