Bills trade for RB Bryce Brown

[BLeonard]

Just saw this on the ESPN Draft broadcast... Schefter is reporting that the Eagles have traded RB Bryce Brown to the Bills... No compensation mentioned as of yet.

-Bill

[soapman]

Per ESPN Next years 4th that is.

[psubills62]

...We just used our 4th rounder.

[BLeonard]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15092/bryce-brown

Bill

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Wow that's news good trade

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Thought we traded our 4th

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Thought we traded our 4th

[OpIv37]

So, let me get this straight- we traded next year's 4th for Watkins.

We got SF's 4th next year for Stevie.

Then we traded SF's fourth to Philly for this RB?

[psubills62]

Rotoworld.com says compensation was 2 undisclosed future draft picks.

[BLeonard]

https://twitter.com/davespadaro/status/465172688177479680



Nothing yet official on reported trade of RB Bryce Brown. Reports say 2015 4th-round pick that could be a 2016 3rd-round pick


-Bill

[Sportsuser101]

Always liked this guy. We basically traded Stevie for Brown. Not bad.

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Rotoworld.com says compensation was 2 undisclosed future draft picks.

Schefter said 4th rounder next year that can become 3rd

[BLeonard]

https://twitter.com/davespadaro/status/465172688177479680


Nothing yet official on reported trade of RB Bryce Brown. Reports say 2015 4th-round pick that could be a 2016 3rd-round pick

-Bill

[psubills62]

But now Ian Rappoport (sp?) says it's a mid round pick next year.

I really don't think we can trade the 4th next year because it can become a 3rd depending on how Stevie does.

[BertSquirtgum]

So they traded the pick they just got from San fran. ESPN was saying this guy has had a problem with fumbling.

[BLeonard]

https://twitter.com/davespadaro/status/465173259559137280


Official: Eagles trade @BryceBrown_34 to Buffalo. Reports say conditional 4th-round pick in 2015 coming to #Eagles

-Bill

[THRILLHO]

https://twitter.com/davespadaro/status/465172688177479680



-Bill
I'm confused. We have a 4th turning into a conditional 3rd thanks to the Stevie trade. We traded our 4th to Cleveland. So what happens if Stevie meets the requirement to turn into a 3rd and we don't have a 4th to trade in 2015?

[psubills62]

I'm confused. We have a 4th turning into a conditional 3rd thanks to the Stevie trade. We traded our 4th to Cleveland. So what happens if Stevie meets the requirement to turn into a 3rd and we don't have a 4th to trade in 2015?
That's my confusion as well.

[BertSquirtgum]

I'm confused. We have a 4th turning into a conditional 3rd thanks to the Stevie trade. We traded our 4th to Cleveland. So what happens if Stevie meets the requirement to turn into a 3rd and we don't have a 4th to trade in 2015?

They obviously traded that pick to the Eagles knowing there's no chance Steve gets over 1,000 yards with the rest of the divas on SanFRan.

[The Jokeman]

So, let me get this straight- we traded next year's 4th for Watkins.

We got SF's 4th next year for Stevie.

Then we traded SF's fourth to Philly for this RB?

Yes unless SJ or Brown play well it will move up to a 3rd Round pick in a yet to be determined year.

[chernobylwraiths]

With bolden, Crabtree and Vernon Davis, does it seem possible for Johnson to get many catches?

[cookie G]

Brother of Arthur Brown, former Kansas State all-american LB and now LB for the Ravens.

Had a strange college career...went to Tennessee as a 5 star recruit, left when Lane Kiffin left, Transferred to Kansas State, left the team with "personal problems".

Runs a 4.4 40 at 220 lbs.

[BLeonard]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/465173683825172480


One reason Buffalo dealt conditional 2015 pick to Philly for Bryce Brown: RBs CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson both in last year of contracts.


For Bryce Brown, Eagles are getting back a conditional 4th-round pick in 2015 that can be a 3rd in 2016, per source.

So, on the second quote, the condition could be that, if the Bills don't have a 4th in 2015, the Eagles get a third in 2016 instead...

-Bill

[The Jokeman]

With bolden, Crabtree and Vernon Davis, does it seem possible for Johnson to get many catches?

We don't know the conditions of the pick, are they SJ13 stat related or team record related?

[DraftBoy]

Both Jackson and Spiller in the last year of their deal, Brown has two years left and is super cheap.

Makes sense since it cost us nothing in terms of additional picks.

[X-Era]

To end the confusion (if true):

https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/465174483335405568

The pick Bills sent to Philly is a conditional pick from SF. If it's a 4, Eagles get it next year. If it's a 3, Eagles get Buffalo's 2016 4.

[The Jokeman]

Brother of Arthur Brown, former Kansas State all-american LB and now LB for the Ravens.

Had a strange college career...went to Tennessee as a 5 star recruit, left when Lane Kiffin left, Transferred to Kansas State, left the team with "personal problems".

Runs a 4.4 40 at 220 lbs.

He's a good player but had some fumbling issues as a rookie yet the question is he's 3rd on our depth chart. It sounds like we're preparing for life after CJ/Fred Jackson yet Rappaport claims that Jackson is still in the Bills plans for this year. Let the CJ trade talk begin.

[X-Era]

Keeps changing:

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/465175861768232960

Compensation for Bryce Brown: #Eagles (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Eagles&src=hash) & #Bills (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bills&src=hash) swap 7th rders and Birds get 1 of 3: '15 4th or '16 3d or '16 4th.

[BLeonard]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/nc0ks1


Eagles trade RB Bryce Brown to Buffalo for either a 4th round draft pick in 2015 OR a 3rd round pick in 2016 OR a 4th round pick in 2016. The teams also swapped 7th round draft picks in 2014. Eagles will select at 224th overall

-Bill

[GvilleBills]

Uncomfortable hoping Stevie doesn't do too well next year. But even less comfortable with giving up a 3rd for Brown.

[Don't Panic]

This means nothing for CJ Spiller. He is locked in as our starter. For 33 year old Fred Jackson, it could mean his lastyear in a Bills uni is about to begin. I don't know what Anthony Dixon is going to do now.

[DraftBoy]

Uncomfortable hoping Stevie doesn't do too well next year. But even less comfortable with giving up a 3rd for Brown.

You're not really giving it up though because its like you never had it. We will still have our own 3rd Rounder.

[The Jokeman]

All these recent moves tell me that Whaley/Marrone are trying to end ties with the Nix/Gailey players. Part of me likes it but part of me doesn't because just because you're replacing a guy with another guy mean you're improving the team and toss in it's not a great sign to some of the long term veterans (see Kyle Williams, Mario and potentially Dareus/McKelvin).

[X-Era]

Great stuff on Brown:

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/11/17/bryce-brown-and-the-nfl-parable-of-the-backup-rb/

"Brown still has lessons to learn as he develops his NFL game, but flashes like these encourage me to believe this second year runner has the talent to do what Green did after leaving the Seahawks for the Packers."

[GvilleBills]

You're not really giving it up though because its like you never had it. We will still have our own 3rd Rounder.
I was excited at the prospect of 2 thirds. I'm Nix-like in that way i guess. ;)

[DraftBoy]

In essence the Bills deal is;

Stevie Johnson, 1st 2015, 4th 2015 for Sammy Watkins and Bryce Brown.

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Brown torched a good Bears D in Week 16 for 115 yards and a TD on 9 touches.

[BLeonard]

Uncomfortable hoping Stevie doesn't do too well next year. But even less comfortable with giving up a 3rd for Brown.

From what I'm reading, if they give up a 3rd, it'll be in 2016...

-Bill

[X-Era]

In essence the Bills deal is;

Stevie Johnson, 1st 2015, 4th 2015 for Sammy Watkins and Bryce Brown.

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Brown torched a good Bears D in Week 16 for 115 yards and a TD on 9 touches.And apparently had a 170+ followed by a 160+ games in 2012?

[Don't Panic]

In essence the Bills deal is;

Stevie Johnson, 1st 2015, 4th 2015 for Sammy Watkins and Bryce Brown.


Aren't you forgetting the #9 pick this year as well?

[DraftBoy]

And apparently had a 170+ followed by a 160+ games in 2012?

Yes v. Dallas and Carolina

19-178-2 v. Carolina
24-169-2 v. Dallas

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Aren't you forgetting the #9 pick this year as well?

Yes, thanks.

[Meathead]

even more obvious now they are trying to deal spiller

[GvilleBills]

From what I'm reading, if they give up a 3rd, it'll be in 2016...

-Bill

I understand that Bill. It's still a third. Brown has serious talent, if he gets it all together it will be a steal. But today, I'd rather it be a 4th than a 3rd.

[DraftBoy]

even more obvious now they are trying to deal spiller

Already been reported that they are not doing that.

[The Jokeman]

I understand that Bill. It's still a third. Brown has serious talent, if he gets it all together it will be a steal. But today, I'd rather it be a 4th than a 3rd.

So as Bills fans we're going to have to cheer for Stevie in another uniform in 2014 and/or hope Jackson and Spiller don't get hurt.

[BLeonard]

I understand that Bill. It's still a third. Brown has serious talent, if he gets it all together it will be a steal. But today, I'd rather it be a 4th than a 3rd.

What I'm saying is, the Stevie pick might not be affected by trading for Brown... They could end up being two separate picks, in separate years even...

If Stevie's pick ends up being a 3rd in 2015 (meeting the conditions) that pick won't be going to Philly, a different one will.

So, you don't have to "root against" Stevie to do well, in fear of that pick being shipped to Philly, is all I was getting at.

-Bill

[Crisis]

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Brown torched a good Bears D in Week 16 for 115 yards and a TD on 9 touches.

The Bears D was one of the worst in football last year..

[ckg927]

Already been reported that they are not doing that.

And, IMO, they'd be REALLY stupid if they tried to do it.

[BLeonard]

So as Bills fans we're going to have to cheer for Stevie in another uniform in 2014 and/or hope Jackson and Spiller don't get hurt.

This is probably Jackson's last year as a Bill, either way...

Both Spiller and Jackson are in the last year of their contracts, as well.

-Bill

[DraftBoy]

Per KC Joyner (ESPN) Brown was 2nd in the league in 2012 in GBYPA.

Which basically means this;
"The specifics of this system are quite detailed -- but the nutshell explanation is that I grade tape of every block on every running play. Each block is given a win or loss grade. A win grade roughly means that the blocker moved the defender out of the point of attack. A loss grade generally indicates that the defender beat the blocker."

So basically on plays with the OL wins its blocks Brown gained the 2nd most yards on average of any RB in the NFL.

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The Bears D was one of the worst in football last year..

Correct, I had them confused with Carolina for some reason.

They allowed a league worse 5.2 ypc.

[The Jokeman]

This is probably Jackson's last year as a Bill, either way...

Both Spiller and Jackson are in the last year of their contracts, as well.

-Bill

In other words we're telling Spiller that we don't want you back in 2015 (even though I think it's his choice to accept the option year). Again I understand footballs a business and you want to do everything you can do to build depth but this regime doesn't mind pulling punches and/or having the writing on the wall.

[GvilleBills]

What I'm saying is, the Stevie pick might not be affected by trading for Brown... They could end up being two separate picks, in separate years even...

If Stevie's pick ends up being a 3rd in 2015 (meeting the conditions) that pick won't be going to Philly, a different one will.

So, you don't have to "root against" Stevie to do well, in fear of that pick being shipped to Philly, is all I was getting at.

-Bill

I gotcha. Better to think of it that way, thanks bud.

[DraftBoy]

In other words we're telling Spiller that we don't want you back in 2015 (even though I think it's his choice to accept the option year). Again I understand footballs a business and you want to do everything you can do to build depth but this regime doesn't mind pulling punches and/or having the writing on the wall.

Its not saying that at all...

You need two RB's in today's NFL. Its more saying we know Jackson is done after this year.

[X-Era]

In other words we're telling Spiller that we don't want you back in 2015 (even though I think it's his choice to accept the option year). Again I understand footballs a business and you want to do everything you can do to build depth but this regime doesn't mind pulling punches and/or having the writing on the wall.
Huh?

That's an assumption.

Or they're telling Freddy we think you're about done
Or they're telling the team they want a legit 3 RB's to spread the ball
Or they're adding to their depth with an unknown future at RB

It's adding a player that can make the team better at this point. Nothing more, nothing less. It's what good teams, who pay attention to the number of injuries that happen, do.

[BertSquirtgum]

All these recent moves tell me that Whaley/Marrone are trying to end ties with the Nix/Gailey players. Part of me likes it but part of me doesn't because just because you're replacing a guy with another guy mean you're improving the team and toss in it's not a great sign to some of the long term veterans (see Kyle Williams, Mario and potentially Dareus/McKelvin).

You're looking too much into it.

[DraftBoy]

JoeB with full trade details;
Joe Buscaglia ‏@JoeBuscaglia 30s
If Stevie does meet conditions, 4th rd pick to Eagles defers to 2016, and could become a 3rd if Brown meets certain conditions.


Joe Buscaglia ‏@JoeBuscaglia 1m
#Bills would give Eagles 4th rd pick acquired from 49ers in Stevie deal if Stevie doesn't meet conditions to net the Bills a 3rd rd...(ct'd)

[BLeonard]

In other words we're telling Spiller that we don't want you back in 2015 (even though I think it's his choice to accept the option year). Again I understand footballs a business and you want to do everything you can do to build depth but this regime doesn't mind pulling punches and/or having the writing on the wall.

Not necessarily... Unless you think Spiller is thinking he'll be the only RB on the roster after FJ is gone...

Yes, it is Spiller's choice to void the option year, but I'd imagine that he will, as he'd likely make more than he would under his rookie deal.

I don't see it as "writing on the wall" at all... Having 2 good RB's is almost a necessity in the NFL these days.

-Bill

[The Jokeman]

Its not saying that at all...

You need two RB's in today's NFL. Its more saying we know Jackson is done after this year.

If I'm Spiller I don't like this move is all I'm saying. Time will tell but right now I'm going to predict that 2014 will be CJ's Spiller's last season as a Buffalo Bill.

[justasportsfan]

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[BLeonard]

JoeB with full trade details;
Joe Buscaglia ‏@JoeBuscaglia 30s
If Stevie does meet conditions, 4th rd pick to Eagles defers to 2016, and could become a 3rd if Brown meets certain conditions.


Joe Buscaglia ‏@JoeBuscaglia 1m
#Bills would give Eagles 4th rd pick acquired from 49ers in Stevie deal if Stevie doesn't meet conditions to net the Bills a 3rd rd...(ct'd)

Yep, pretty much what I was saying earlier... If we don't have a 4th to give the Eagles in 2015, the pick will be determined in 2016...

For comparison, the Bills' 2012 4th rounders were Nigel Bradham and Ron Brooks. In 2013, the 4th rounder was Duke Williams...

We're getting a potential starting RB for that price, or at least a guy that'll likely split time with CJ after Freddy is gone.

-Bill

[TacklingDummy]

even more obvious now they are trying to deal spiller

Hopefully there is someone stupid enough to give us a 2nd rounder next year for him.

[BLeonard]

If I'm Spiller I don't like this move is all I'm saying. Time will tell but right now I'm going to predict that 2014 will be CJ's Spiller's last season as a Buffalo Bill.

Would it have been better if they used a 2014 pick on a RB...? Because that's likely what would have happened if they didn't make this trade.

-Bill

[X-Era]

BB.com says he ran a high 4.3...

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-acquire-RB-Bryce-Brown-in-trade-with-Eagles/5cda643f-2356-4f06-b525-b5b6044d05b9

[D'Angelo Vickers]

In other words we're telling Spiller that we don't want you back in 2015 (even though I think it's his choice to accept the option year). Again I understand footballs a business and you want to do everything you can do to build depth but this regime doesn't mind pulling punches and/or having the writing on the wall.

Your logic is ****in stupid. The Eagles traded for Sproles, does that mean McCoy is gone?

Jesus. Not every move means the other guy is gone. Have you ever heard the word "insurance"

Fred is 33, Spiller in the last year of his deal. If they didn't get a running back, you'd be *****ing about it.

[D'Angelo Vickers]

All these recent moves tell me that Whaley/Marrone are trying to end ties with the Nix/Gailey players. Part of me likes it but part of me doesn't because just because you're replacing a guy with another guy mean you're improving the team and toss in it's not a great sign to some of the long term veterans (see Kyle Williams, Mario and potentially Dareus/McKelvin).

Yup, trading a mid round pick for a back up running back CLEARLY means that Mario and Kyle are on double secret probation. I see how you put 2 and 2 together there.

[The Jokeman]

Would it have been better if they used a 2014 pick on a RB...? Because that's likely what would have happened if they didn't make this trade.

-Bill

To me the message of trading for a guy vs drafting a potential replacement are completely different. I like Brown and move makes sense as think he's better than any RB that be available to draft now but I just don't like the message it sends to the locker room is all.

[The Jokeman]

Your logic is ****in stupid. The Eagles traded for Sproles, does that mean McCoy is gone?

Jesus. Not every move means the other guy is gone. Have you ever heard the word "insurance"

Fred is 33, Spiller in the last year of his deal. If they didn't get a running back, you'd be *****ing about it.

There was talk that the Bills were pursuing Chris Johnson and the Eagles made inquires for Spiller. Now the Bills are adding a RB. All these things can manifest in a player's mind that the team doesn't want him and it may impact how Spiller performs and/or does after this year. Do we remember what happened when we drafted Spiller when had Lynch and Jackson in place? It made for a big mess.

[BLeonard]

To me the message of trading for a guy vs drafting a potential replacement are completely different. I like Brown and move makes sense as think he's better than any RB that be available to draft now but I just don't like the message it sends to the locker room is all.

What message is that? That you need more than one good RB on the roster...?

If Spiller was an every down back, you might be making more sense... But, he's not and I doubt that he ever will be.

The 49ers traded for Stevie, so does that send the same message to Boldin and Crabtree...?

-Bill

[X-Era]

There was talk that the Bills were pursuing Chris Johnson and the Eagles made inquires for Spiller. Now the Bills are adding a RB. All these things can manifest in a player's mind that the team doesn't want him and it may impact how Spiller performs and/or does after this year. Do we remember what happened when we drafted Spiller when had Lynch and Jackson in place? It made for a big mess.If competition manifests in a players mind and keeps him from playing his best ball I'm not sure I want him anyways.

That said, Spiller won't care IMO. He's a great player and ought to get back to his old self this year.

[The Jokeman]

What message is that? That you need more than one good RB on the roster...?

If Spiller was an every down back, you might be making more sense... But, he's not and I doubt that he ever will be.

The 49ers traded for Stevie, so does that send the same message to Boldin and Crabtree...?

-Bill

No, but then again the 49ers have had the same HC/GM ownership for quite a few years.

[D'Angelo Vickers]

The Bills "left no stone unturned" in looking at players. Spiller has been a so-so NFL player. Everybody LLLLLOVES Spiller because he's a good guy, myself included, but he'd be extremely easy to replace.

[Mr. Pink]

Both Spiller and Jackson are entering the last year of their deals I believe.

Both were hobbled last year.

Anthony Dixon has never shown to be an every down back in the NFL.

Bryce Brown has.

Insurance policy for this year in case of injury and a guy who will likely be here next year when either Spiller and/or Jackson are gone.

[Beebe]

I hope so,so we can get that 3rd rounder from them.And they have a problem with their receivers staying healthy.


(With bolden, Crabtree and Vernon Davis, does it seem possible for Johnson to get many catches?)

[Mr. Cynical]

I like the trade, especially if it ends up a 4th. From what I've seen, he looks for his blocks, follows them and then pops off strong (something that CJ is still not doing well as he still relies on his wheels). He may not have blazing speed, but he is definitely fast enough. Sort of looks like a younger FredEx actually. Which is great, since Freddie can mentor him for at least this year, maybe one more before retiring. Only foreseeable issue imo is if he rips it up this year/next. In that case, CJ will also have had to rip it up or we're looking at a controversy. Well, maybe not, given CJ's contract status. Could be that he just leaves after it's up and Brown is named starter. If Brown becomes nothing more than a solid backup, it's a win for an unknown 4th pick.

All good options for the Bills so again, net net, I like the trade.

[X-Era]

I really think that when Andre Williams went the Bills decided to go this route instead of drafting a RB. Personally, it may be a much better move. Brown appears to be every bit as good as most of the potential from the prospects in this draft. Trading the 4th for him really is all about who you get in the 4th at RB and whether that guy looks to be better. At least in this years draft I think the answer is that we got a guy who's better than what we would have gotten in the 4th for a RB.

[YardRat]

I'd still bring in Wilder, Jr.

[ublinkwescore]

Already been reported that they are not doing that.

Just like Stevie Johnson was part of their plans too...

[cookie G]

He's a good player but had some fumbling issues as a rookie yet the question is he's 3rd on our depth chart. It sounds like we're preparing for life after CJ/Fred Jackson yet Rappaport claims that Jackson is still in the Bills plans for this year. Let the CJ trade talk begin.

I think it was Whaley who was asked..he said that was in 2013, not last year, but then, he only had 75 carries or so.

Really, since he left high school, he's carried the football very little.

[OpIv37]

There was talk that the Bills were pursuing Chris Johnson and the Eagles made inquires for Spiller. Now the Bills are adding a RB. All these things can manifest in a player's mind that the team doesn't want him and it may impact how Spiller performs and/or does after this year. Do we remember what happened when we drafted Spiller when had Lynch and Jackson in place? It made for a big mess.

Two words: contract year.

His next payday will be more than enough to get over whatever damage was caused to his fragile psyche by the Bills looking into other RB's.

And btw, if the Eagles inquired about a trade, that's the opposite of what you are saying. It should be an ego boost knowing that other teams are willing to give something up to get him, and that Buffalo chose to keep him over the compensation, even if it's just one year.

[justasportsfan]

like the logic behind the trade. Don't think both CJ and FJ will be here together next year. Brown might as well start learning the system now so he should be ready next year.

[DraftBoy]

Just like Stevie Johnson was part of their plans too...

Actually it was widely reported they were looking to move Stevie Johnson but sure continue to make up things to fit your narrative.

[stuckincincy]

I'd still bring in Wilder, Jr.

He inked with CIN. Perhaps he'll join CIN's idiotic #2 pick RB Jeremy Hill (who is still on probation) in wearing...stripes.

[Woodman]

Bryce Brown just a great trade for us, I just love the stones this FO has.

[chernobylwraiths]

No, but then again the 49ers have had the same HC/GM ownership for quite a few years.

Three?

[stuckincincy]

Bryce Brown just a great trade for us, I just love the stones this FO has.

Good deal for PHI - no place on their roster for him. BUF picks up a back-up with 2 years of decent pro game experience at a fair price.

[Woodman]

Good deal for PHI - no place on their roster for him. BUF picks up a back-up with 2 years of decent pro game experience at a fair price.

We can still get SF's 3rd in 2015 if Stevie meets the production numbers. If the Bills do get San Frans 3rd rounder,the pick they send to the Eagles will be a 2016 4th round pick. However, if Brown meets his numbers, the Bills will send their 2016 3rd round pick to the Eagles.

[stuckincincy]

We can still get SF's 3rd in 2015 if Stevie meets the production numbers. If the Bills do get San Frans 3rd rounder,the pick they send to the Eagles will be a 2016 4th round pick. However, if Brown meets his numbers, the Bills will send their 2016 3rd round pick to the Eagles.

It all makes the head spin. I'll take the easy road - if the bottom line is that BUF ends up sending PHI a #3, Brown would have done a bang-up job for them.

[Night Train]

Brown looks as good as any RB in this draft. Plus he turns just 23 this coming week. Fresh, built and very fast. The gamble looks like a wise one.

[stuckincincy]

Brown looks as good as any RB in this draft. Plus he turns just 23 this coming week. Fresh, built and very fast. The gamble looks like a wise one.

Sure was.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

I like his initials

[Don't Panic]

Spiller and Brown have the potential to be one of the most potent RB duos in the NFL. Sammy Watkins may be a top 5 WR within the next three years, and the supporting cast is balanced and very solid. The line should definitely be in the top half in the league with a year or two, possibly top 10.

None of those statements is a stretch.